Steam Users Reviews are going to be "Revisited" - TL;DR: "They bent the knee"

Who asked\will benefit from this?

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  • Loomynarty

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  • The idiotic game ""journalist"" lobby, ez.

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User Reviews Revisited
15 MAR @ 7:47PM - TOMB
Some time ago we made some changes to how we presented the User Reviews for games, and their resulting Review Score. We talked about those changes in this blog post. As we describe in that post, we want to ensure that players who've played a game can voice their opinions about why other people should or shouldn't buy the game, and that our summary of those opinions into a single Review Score should represent the likelihood that a future purchaser will be happy with their purchase.

Since that post, we've continued to listen to feedback from both players and developers. It's clear to us that players value reviews highly, and want us to ensure they're accurate and trustworthy. Developers understand that they're valuable to players, but want to feel like they're being treated fairly. We've also spent a bunch of time building analysis tools to help us better understand what's happening in the reviews across all titles on Steam. With that feedback and data in hand, we think we're ready to make another change.

That change can be described easily: we're going to identify off-topic review bombs, and remove them from the Review Score.

But while easy to say, it raises a bunch of questions, so let's dig into the details. First, what do we mean by an off-topic review bomb? As we defined back in our original post, a review bomb is where players post a large number of reviews in a short period of time, aimed at lowering the Review Score of a game. We define an off-topic review bomb as one where the focus of those reviews is on a topic that we consider unrelated to the likelihood that future purchasers will be happy if they buy the game, and hence not something that should be added to the Review Score.

Obviously, there's a grey area here, because there's a wide range of things that players care about. So how will we identify these off-topic review bombs? The first step is a tool we've built that identifies any anomalous review activity on all games on Steam in as close to real-time as possible. It doesn't know why a given game is receiving anomalous review activity, and it doesn't even try to figure that out. Instead, it notifies a team of people at Valve, who'll then go and investigate. We've already run our tool across the entire history of reviews on Steam, identifying many reasons why games have seen periods of anomalous review activity, and off-topic review bombs appear to only be a small number of them.

Once our team has identified that the anomalous activity is an off-topic review bomb, we'll mark the time period it encompasses and notify the developer. The reviews within that time period will then be removed from the Review Score calculation. As before, the reviews themselves are left untouched - if you want to dig into them to see if they're relevant to you, you'll still be able to do so. To help you do that, we've made it clear when you're looking at a store page where we've removed some reviews by default, and we've further improved the UI around anomalous review periods.

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Finally, we've also enabled you to opt out of this entirely, if that's your preference - there's now a checkbox in your Steam Store options where you can choose to have off-topic review bombs still included in all the Review Scores you see.

While we're working on some other features around User Reviews, we thought this one was worth shipping by itself. As always, if you have thoughts or concerns, feel free to voice them in the comments below.



Q&A
Q: I care about some things that I worry other players don't, like DRM or EULA changes. Review bombs have been about them in the past. Do you consider them unrelated or off-topic?

A: We had long debates about these two, and others like them. They're technically not a part of the game, but they are an issue for some players. In the end, we've decided to define them as off-topic review bombs. Our reasoning is that the "general" Steam player doesn't care as much about them, so the Review Score is more accurate if it doesn't contain them. In addition, we believe that players who do care about topics like DRM are often willing to dig a little deeper into games before purchasing - which is why we still keep all the reviews within the review bombs. It only takes a minute to dig into those reviews to see if the issue is something you care about.

Q: So if I post a review inside in the period of an off-topic review bomb, my review won't be included in the Review Score?

A: Unfortunately, this is correct. We've tested our process of identifying off-topic review bombs on the entire history of reviews on Steam, and in doing so, we've found that while we can look through reviews and community discussions to determine what's behind the review bomb, it isn't feasible for us to read every single review. But as we mentioned back in our first User Review post, our data shows us that review bombs tend to be temporary distortions, so we believe the Review Score will still be accurate, and other players will still be able to find and read your review within the period.

Q: Are you deleting reviews?

A: No, we are only changing the way we calculate a game's Review Score. All reviews are left untouched, and if you still want to see the raw Review Score, you're welcome to make that change in your Steam Store Preferences.

Q: Does this mean you'll be going back to identify and remove old off-topic review bombs?

A: Based on internal conversations and consultation with some of the partners that have experienced off-topic review bombs, we decided not to unilaterally grandfather in what's happened in the past.

Q: What about when I don't agree with you about what's an "off-topic review bomb?"

A: We'd suggest setting your Steam Reviews default to "Include reviews from all Steam purchases in Review Scores" in under the "Review Score Settings" in your Steam Store Preferences

Q: Reviews are extremely important to me: they're one of the few tools customers have to react to deception or discovering something they've been sold is sub-par. I guess that really wasn't a question, but I just wanted to say that.

A: We agree. We remain in active conversation with you, the community, about what you want from reviews along with the various partners who sell their games on Steam. Reviews are an important part of Steam, which is why we continue to do the work to make sure that they are not being manipulated by anyone. It's the same reason that we decisively ban partners who engage in review manipulation -- customers need to be able to trust the system for it be valuable.


 
Wait, didn't steam already have a similar thing where they said only reviews that talk about the games problems or positives will remain, where obvious review bombings or stupid "reviews" will be removed. Aaaand ofcourse Mr.Biggest neckbeard on the block aka the Quartering is jumping on this, cannot have a party without a drunk ass hack clown.
 
This raises the question -- will this "protection" from review bombs also be extended to games that are review bombed by SJW types for having "offensive" content? Or will those be mysteriously overlooked by this new tool?

I'd assume so, but then again they aren't actually "removing" the reviews they are simply allowing users to check a box with their preference to hide the "review bombs" or not. Seems pretty half assed imo. Valve splitting the baby.
 
Finally, we've also enabled you to opt out of this entirely, if that's your preference - there's now a checkbox in your Steam Store options where you can choose to have off-topic review bombs still included in all the Review Scores you see.

On one hand, it's good to have this option, on the other, this seems like a move that will please no one because:
a) Reviewers will find their reviews hidden from those who are unaware that this is going on and did not adjust the settings
b) Dangerhairs will screech anyway because their approved games still won't sell.
 
Steam reviews are gay, the only thing they're really good for is seeing if a game isn't an unoptomized shit. And yeah, I'm not surprised that one of our two fat "consumer advocates" (who totally don't just do it for money) is covering it and I guess this time it's the Liberalist neckbeard and not the British, SJW literal cuck
 
This definitely hurts consumers. I’m not a gamer, but I am a pretty big fan of Paradox Interactive games. They make fantastic games, and I think they’re one of the best developers out there, but their business model revolves around constantly putting out DLCs for games even years after they are released making the end prices for them absurdly expensive. Recently they released a subjectively weak DLC for a couple games, and at the same time decided to “normalize” prices in foreign countries to be inline with western pricing (like let’s say a peso is =.8 dollars, previously they were selling a game for 10 dollars and 10 pesos, but then they changed it to sell for 10 dollars and 12 pesos). Neither of these were inherently bad, but a lot of the fans got fed up with this and review bombed their games. This caused Paradox to step back, reverse the pricing changes, and put a short morrandum on DLCs in order to work on the base games and actually churn out quality games. Since then, the developers have been focusing on quality of life changes that people have been asking about for years, and the only DLC they released has been praised universally for being exceptional and greatly changing the game.

Did they deserve the review bomb in the first place? I don’t think so. But this has changed the company for the best, and has lead to a large number of pro-consumer changes in their business model which would not have happened if they did not get review bombed
 
They should leave the option off by default. Cucklords at publishers are getting upset because their games are getting review bombed for good reasons. Valve is only doing it because this is taking money out of their pockets. But hey, at least Steam has reviews.
 
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The main issue I find is that they consider negative reviews because of DRM "offtopic", which is absurd and only benefits the publisher. They still let us know about 3rd party DRM somewhere in the page but it's not the same as seeing the userbase disgust reflected in the review score.

I still avoid DRM on top of DRMs and this won't change anything but mixed/negative reviews are a good way to say "wait a minute..." before making a purchase. Maybe the devs are using DRM, maybe they eat babies, and the easiest way to find out what's wrong is by checking the review average.
 
I was talking to @SiccDicc about this the other day. This pretty much solves one of my biggest pet peeves with Steam: The utter uselessness of user reviews.

When I'm making a purchasing decision, I legit don't care how some dev is being cucked or bowing down to censorship or being to edgy or whatever, just tell me what you thought of the game and how well did it run for you, that's all I will ever really need.

I also don't care much about DRM, for all its evils and dumbassery, it's ultimately what's making PC a viable platform to begin with.
 
I was talking to @SiccDicc about this the other day. This pretty much solves one of my biggest pet peeves with Steam: The utter uselessness of user reviews.

When I'm making a purchasing decision, I legit don't care how some dev is being cucked or bowing down to censorship or being to edgy or whatever, just tell me what you thought of the game and how well did it run for you, that's all I will ever really need.

I also don't care much about DRM, for all its evils and dumbassery, it's ultimately what's making PC a viable platform to begin with.
90% of them are pig shit, but they can sometimes come in handy when I want to see if a port is glitchy or unoptomized, I'd like to at least know if me or one of my friends can even RUN the game that costed $30+. As for the "political" aspect, are you really surprised? We live in an era where a sperg like Billy D. who likes to shill Newgrounds-tier hentai games is treated like a legitimate journalist
 
This seems to be another baffling decision from Valve, who seem to be more concerned about making cash from CS:GO skins than to actually make sure their Steam service runs fine (and actually make games). Not only will this not change much positively, but there is now a new feature devs can abuse to silence criticism that is levied their way because they can call it "offtopic" and call it a day.
 
I was actually really pleased with the review helpfulness beta, and this seems like a really fair option. If you don't care about the politics or logistics of games on steam, just use the default. If you're a hardcore gamer that wants to know that Metro's devs are pieces of human trash, tick the box. For the first time in a really long time, I feel like a company in the gaming world is honestly trying to give people options that aren't double edged, anti consumer bullshit. Out of all the platforms that host reviews, imo Steam reviews with the helpfulness beta turned on are probably the most honest and helpful.

I like this, and I actually don't see how anyone who isn't politically invested in pushing a narrative (looking at you, Jim Sterling) can say it's bad or unfair.

I do have one question, though. Often when a game has a deep sale, new DLC or patch, is included in a bundle, or is featured prominently by a large internet personality, people will buy and try the game, which will necessarily increase the number of reviews for a limited time. Are these windows also flagged as "review bombs?" Or can the developer or Steam itself do the math and realize there is a legitimate influx of reviewers?
 
I do have one question, though. Often when a game has a deep sale, new DLC or patch, is included in a bundle, or is featured prominently by a large internet personality, people will buy and try the game, which will necessarily increase the number of reviews for a limited time. Are these windows also flagged as "review bombs?" Or can the developer or Steam itself do the math and realize there is a legitimate influx of reviewers?

But while easy to say, it raises a bunch of questions, so let's dig into the details. First, what do we mean by an off-topic review bomb? As we defined back in our original post, a review bomb is where players post a large number of reviews in a short period of time, aimed at lowering the Review Score of a game. We define an off-topic review bomb as one where the focus of those reviews is on a topic that we consider unrelated to the likelihood that future purchasers will be happy if they buy the game, and hence not something that should be added to the Review Score.

Obviously, there's a grey area here, because there's a wide range of things that players care about. So how will we identify these off-topic review bombs? The first step is a tool we've built that identifies any anomalous review activity on all games on Steam in as close to real-time as possible. It doesn't know why a given game is receiving anomalous review activity, and it doesn't even try to figure that out. Instead, it notifies a team of people at Valve, who'll then go and investigate. We've already run our tool across the entire history of reviews on Steam, identifying many reasons why games have seen periods of anomalous review activity, and off-topic review bombs appear to only be a small number of them.

Once our team has identified that the anomalous activity is an off-topic review bomb, we'll mark the time period it encompasses and notify the developer. The reviews within that time period will then be removed from the Review Score calculation. As before, the reviews themselves are left untouched - if you want to dig into them to see if they're relevant to you, you'll still be able to do so. To help you do that, we've made it clear when you're looking at a store page where we've removed some reviews by default, and we've further improved the UI around anomalous review periods.

According to their statement, what they will do is investigate why they are getting a large number of reviews, so if they determine that a game has a patch that breaks the game, as an example, they may decide to leave them as is. If they decide it's something off topic, like a dev saying something on social media that caused it, that's when they will take action.
 
According to their statement, what they will do is investigate why they are getting a large number of reviews, so if they determine that a game has a patch that breaks the game, as an example, they may decide to leave them as is. If they decide it's something off topic, like a dev saying something on social media that caused it, that's when they will take action.
inb4 VAC but for reviews.
 
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I think review bombs will still be a thing after this.
 
Ehhhhh. On the one hand review bombing by autists over certain things is annoying as hell, but on the other hand I hate this culture of censorship and think users should be smart enough to sort the wheat from the chaff.

The fact that you can toggle it off and view the full reviews is a very good decision IMO if they are going down this path, and they definitely get extra points for the human element and their openness about how the system works.

Overall I rate it a meh/10. It will be useful at times, it will be abused at times, it furthers the culture of online censorship, but it's also a probably the best implementation of this kind of thing I've ever seen.
 
Guys, this is kinda fair. I've seen people wallpaper games with a fat red thumbs down just because they're Chinese and the game isn't localized for them. A few people will repost negative reviews for kicks. Steam finally has some competition, it needs to make the publishers feel safe from the hapless bastards who can review-bomb games without actually buying them.

Jeremy/QuarterPounder just needs the clicks.
 
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