2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

[Freedom_or_Death]

So

Coming straight from the upside down
Young Kiwi got it bad cause I clown
And not nice posts so the police think
They have the authority to attack the minority

Fuck that shit, cause we ain't the one
For a punk motherfucker with badge and a gun
To be stressing on, with fake news speaking of jail
We can go together toe to toe, you can call me on my cell

Sorry dude I read it more than once and still have close to no idea what you're saying

Edit : Spelling....

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Dude, they're asking for help.

You've got a strange definition of help. Some fucking cop with no jurisdiction over the USA thinking that he has some right to the user information of people who had nothing to do with the attack beyond discussing it isn't "help," it's a massive overreach that needs to be put in it's place.

Null did exactly what he should have done, and if he'd done anything different it would've gone against everything he's said he stands for. If you cuck your beliefs because something uncomfortable happened, you didn't believe that shit in the first place.

E: a word

 

[Janki's Mom]

Dude, they're asking for help. They're not threatening or demanding anything. KF has helped gather evidence against shits before that have lead to charges being laid, so why is this any different? The fact that they asked, rather than KF doing it on their own volition?

And yes, I know I'm being a precious snowflake about this, but fifty one people are dead. I don't see how allowing the police to see for themselves that this asshole had no connection to KF is in any way harmful. It's not about censorship, it's not about entrapment, they just want this guy to go down hard.

They have a goddamned video of the guy doing it and a fucking manifesto. Why the fuck would they need anything else to get a slam dunk conviction? GD dumb sheep fuckers. Null did the right thing in telling them to piss off. They can go to hell, and do their own fucking homework.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

So


Sorry dude I read it more than once and still have close to no idea what you're saying

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You might want to look up the lyrics to NWAs Fuck tha police, lol.

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

It's not about censorship, it's not about entrapment, they just want this guy to go down hard.

They also want to charge anyone they have jurisdiction over with distributing the video if they can, and you can bet your ass they would try to charge any NZ users with that if they've even talked about the video. It's absolutely in Null's best interest to not sell out his users. Sure, they could probably get a list of NZ users on their own if they went through the ISPs, but there's nothing Null can do about that.

 

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I want to see just how many people actually surrender their semi-automatic weapons.

They'll probably do the same thing as the Aussies did when some other guy went on a shooting spree.

This is an open question. The Aussies got fucked because their shitty state governments all had individual gun registrations. Fortunately these were abolished decades ago in Kiwiland, and even in Canada (for normal long guns).

BURGERS BEWARE.

If they register your guns individually, you can no longer lose them in a lake/under the insulation in your attic/cosmolined in a sealed plumbing pipe filled with dessicant buried in the woods beyond your house. Individual gun registration is NEVER OK!

That said a lot of NZ gun owners are FUDD faggots and will comply, especially if they get compensation or if the theft of rights is mitigated in some way (i.e. conversion to fixed magazines rather than full semiauto ban).

Longtime lurker (mainly for resetera faggotry), finally signed up. I am from Russia so my government isn't much much better in regards of censorship, but they only censor either stuff that discredit their authority or degenerate in nature (i.e. drug related or "gay propaganda" content). Even worst offenders get 1 year of probation/suspended sentence, most get a fine or slap on the wrist.

I would expect much more freedom of speech from a first world western country.

The reality is that anyone who is aware of how things work in countries like Russia or China, and how things work in the 'Free' West, knows the former are much freer for anyone who doesn't want to rape kids/be a furry/whatever. China bans advocacy for overthrowing the local government. So does the US, UK, EU, AU, NZ.

China also bans degenerate rap music and homosexuality and supports family formation.

UK, US, AU, EU, NZ encourage degenerate rap music and homosexuality and opposes family formation.

China is a freer country for anyone who isn't a pervert. Russia is even better (you get all the perversion you want on VK but Mindgeek isn't getting ad dollars from it).

 

[Freedom_or_Death]

You might want to look up the lyrics to NWAs Fuck tha police, lol.

Ahhh nice

Thought I may have upset someone, seem to have an exceptional ability to offend...

 

[Cataloons]

Some cop from overseas didn't demand anything. He asked for help. The police are trying to gather as much information as they can. That's how criminal investigations work. If the asshole had nothing to do with KF then it should be about a five minute conversation and this shit would be over.

Edit: People have been doxed on KF for less than mass murder. Just sayin'.

 

[Jaded Optimist]

Some cop from overseas didn't demand anything. He asked for help. The police are trying to gather as much information as they can. That's how criminal investigations work. If the asshole had nothing to do with KF then it should be about a five minute conversation and this shit would be over.

This is the first step before a demand. Then they can see who talked about the video and/shared it (a video they already have, but don't want others to). You realise a guy in NZ is already charged with a crime for sharing the video and is facing 14 years in prison?

If the implications don't worry you then you are an idiot. Never talk to the cops.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

Some cop from overseas didn't demand anything. He asked for help. The police are trying to gather as much information as they can. That's how criminal investigations work. If the asshole had nothing to do with KF then it should be about a five minute conversation and this shit would be over.

Edit: People have been doxed on KF for less than mass murder. Just sayin'.

The advice of every american lawyer who has ever cared about their clients has always been resoundingly to 'never talk to the police'. That is one of the most important things any individual (in the US) can do to protect themselves from our imperfect/fucked up criminal justice system. No matter how much you respect the police or support the hard work they do, you do not talk to the police.

 

[Cataloons]

Jesus, what a fucked up legal system you guys have over there. I'm looking at it from an Australian/New Zealand justice system point of view. For us, "assisting with enquiries" is the standard response because not talking to the police makes you seem guilty as fuck.

Sorry for international sperging.

 

[GS 281]

plenty of our users are incels.

when we raided the loveshy/incel communities, several of their users came here and were aggressive at first, but then became acclimated with the community.

Its incels like Tarrant that give incels like us a bad name

 

[Jaded Optimist]

Jesus, what a fucked up legal system you guys have over there

I'm not American. I think you might just be naive.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

This is an open question. The Aussies got fucked because their shitty state governments all had individual gun registrations. Fortunately these were abolished decades ago in Kiwiland, and even in Canada (for normal long guns).

BURGERS BEWARE.

If they register your guns individually, you can no longer lose them in a lake/under the insulation in your attic/cosmolined in a sealed plumbing pipe filled with dessicant buried in the woods beyond your house. Individual gun registration is NEVER OK!

That said a lot of NZ gun owners are FUDD faggots and will comply, especially if they get compensation or if the theft of rights is mitigated in some way (i.e. conversion to fixed magazines rather than full semiauto ban).



The reality is that anyone who is aware of how things work in countries like Russia or China, and how things work in the 'Free' West, knows the former are much freer for anyone who doesn't want to rape kids/be a furry/whatever. China bans advocacy for overthrowing the local government. So does the US, UK, EU, AU, NZ.

China also bans degenerate rap music and homosexuality and supports family formation.

UK, US, AU, EU, NZ encourage degenerate rap music and homosexuality and opposes family formation.

China is a freer country for anyone who isn't a pervert. Russia is even better (you get all the perversion you want on VK but Mindgeek isn't getting ad dollars from it).

Can you please explain what you're trying to say in simple English so my ESL brain can wrap itself around the meaning of your words?

 

[Cataloons]

I'm not American. I think you might just be naive.

Naive or not, I was still being a dumb ass.

 

[repentance]

Jesus, what a fucked up legal system you guys have over there. I'm looking at it from an Australian/New Zealand justice system point of view. For us, "assisting with enquiries" is the standard response because not talking to the police makes you seem guilty as fuck.

Sorry for international sperging.

Also an Aussie. Despite the impression given by the media reports and even Null's response itself, he has complied with part of their request. The posts have been preserved. His issue is with such a broad request for user data.

They're not asking for info about specific users who they have reason to believe might be connected to Tarrant and/or connected to terrorism in general. They want the user data of everyone who posted in threads related to the shooting.

I really do understand what you're saying about co-operating with them in general circumstances, but under general circumstances that co-operation doesn't have the potential to fuck with hundreds of people's lives.

 

[Janki's Mom]

Jesus, what a fucked up legal system you guys have over there. I'm looking at it from an Australian/New Zealand justice system point of view. For us, "assisting with enquiries" is the standard response because not talking to the police makes you seem guilty as fuck.

Sorry for international sperging.

Our "fucked up system" is steadfast in the belief that you are innocent until PROVEN guilty, and you have an absolute RIGHT not to have to say SHIT to the police, ever. And our "fucked up system" has MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS of people who want to live here. Fuck Australia and fuck New Zealand.

 

[AnotherForumUser]

Troon squad ain't impressed by @Null. Surely this is the end of the farms.
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I've seen troons pull a bunch of intellectually dishonest tricks over the years, but this has to be high in the top ten.

 

[Lysenko]

Also an Aussie. Despite the impression given by the media reports and even Null's response itself, he has complied with part of their request. The posts have been preserved. His issue is with such a broad request for user data.

They're not asking for info about specific users who they have reason to believe might be connected to Tarrant and/or connected to terrorism in general. They want the user data of everyone who posted in threads related to the shooting.

I really do understand what you're saying about co-operating with them in general circumstances, but under general circumstances that co-operation doesn't have the potential to fuck with hundreds of people's lives.

And why would they want indiscriminately the user data of everyone who posted about the shooting, without jurisdiction or a warrant?

 

[arorti]

Also an Aussie. Despite the impression given by the media reports and even Null's response itself, he has complied with part of their request. The posts have been preserved. His issue is with such a broad request for user data.

Was he planning on deleting them? If not, it's just coincidental that they wanted the same thing he was planning on doing anyway rather than an act of compliance.