Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Stoneheart]

Apparently their desire for “guilty until proven innocent” isn’t a meme, it’s an actual desire.

 

[MG 192]

So here's a question that I have never seen anyone bring up,

If hypothetically speaking, Vic did commit sexual assaults over the past twenty years and somehow managed to miss security surveillance and no police reports, should he still win his civil case?

If so, and I strongly doubt it, it would indeed be horrible and I would hope that they find proof of sexual assault eventually. Given this, however, we're put into a situation of which is the lesser evil. If we were to look at both sides, the facts come up that would still make Vic's side the lesser evil. On Vic's side, you have Vic committing sexual assault and a minority of annoying #IstandwithVic supporters. On the #KickVic side, however, you have this,

• Slanders from Anime News Network Saucedo, Allison (can't remember her last name), Marchi, Rials, Toye, Winn-Lee, among others.
• Editing photos to falsify accusation of sexual assault on Facebook of all things
• Inoue-Hart, part of the internal investigation team at Funimation, falsifying a SWAT claiming it was from #IstandwithVic supporters
• A violation of the Fifth Amendment as shown by the #KickVic's side complete lack of respect for due process
• Blaming the fans, the people who support the Western anime industry
• Organized harassment campaign by #KickVic supporters on those who are pro-Vic and neutral on #AnimeGate
• Justin Sevakis, the co-founder of ANN, saying that they have even worse monsters hiding in the closet that they won't out because it won't get lots of page views

The reality is that in many cases, it is not a clearcut "good vs. evil" scenario. Sometimes, we have to side with the lesser evil in order to achieve a greater good. Miranda v. Arizona covered the case of Ernesto Miranda, a rapist and kidnapper, who was not told of his rights to have an attorney when convicted for it. This went all the way to the Supreme Court, resulting in a landmark 1966 ruling that requires law enforcement officers (Archive) to tell people that they have the right to an attorney and to remain silent under the Fifth Amendment.

Assuming the sexual assaults allegations are true, the case to the public becomes less about salvaging Mignogna's career and more about the constitutional question of due process. What SJWs don't realize is that they aren't here to prove Vic was guilty of sexual assault in a criminal case, it's Vic who has to prove they are guilty of false allegations that fall under Texas's tortious interference laws in a civil case. As can be seen from the past two months, Vic has more than enough to go off to prove that his firing fell under that.

So even if Vic is as bad as the #kickvic side claims, he still needs to win his case unless #KickVic are somehow sitting on a mountain of video of audio evidence that they are strangely not showing to the public. If he doesn't, SJWs will seize the opportunity to censor fucking everything to further the narrative to "always believe survivors".

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

So even if Vic is as bad as the #kickvic side claims, he still needs to win his case unless #KickVic are somehow sitting on a mountain of video of audio evidence that they are strangely not showing to the public. If he doesn't, SJWs will seize the opportunity to censor fucking everything to further the narrative to "always believe survivors".

ANN's Mike Toole proved that they are willing to take it to that level by labeling Lost Pause's Noble and Kneon from Clownfish TV as "Nazis" and tried to flag them for removal on YouTube. For me, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Before that, I was going to sit on the sidelines and "let the chips fall where they may." Toole's actions spoke louder to me as to who needs to be watched and ANN's stance on the moral high ground was that of shifting sands. Reflecting back on the decision to be a bit more active against the greater threat of Censorship Based On Differing Opinions, I believe my current decision is justified.
Also, the fact that SJWs were actively in the #kickvic movement told me all I needed to know.

 

[RodgerDodger]

So here's a question that I have never seen anyone bring up,

If hypothetically speaking, Vic did commit sexual assaults over the past twenty years and somehow managed to miss security surveillance and no police reports, should he still win his civil case?

If so, it would indeed be horrible and I would hope that they find proof of sexual assault eventually. Given this, however, we're put into a situation of which is the lesser evil. If we were to look at both sides, the facts come up that would still make Vic's side the lesser evil. On Vic's side, you have Vic committing sexual assault and a minority of annoying #IstandwithVic supporters. On the #KickVic side, however, you have this,

• Slanders from Anime News Network Saucedo, Allison (can't remember her last name), Marchi, Rials, Toye, Winn-Lee, among others.
• Editing photos to falsify accusation of sexual assault on Facebook of all things
• Inoue-Hart, part of the internal investigation team at Funimation, falsifying a SWAT claiming it was from #IstandwithVic supporters
• A violation of the Fifth Amendment as shown by the #KickVic's side complete lack of respect for due process
• Blaming the fans, the people who support the Western anime industry
• Organized harassment campaign by #KickVic supporters on those who are pro-Vic and neutral on #AnimeGate
• Justin Sevakis, the co-founder of ANN, saying that they have even worse monsters hiding in the closet that they won't out because it won't get lots of page views

The reality is that in many cases, it is not a clearcut "good vs. evil" scenario. Sometimes, we have to side with the lesser evil in order to achieve a greater good. Miranda v. Arizona covered the case of Ernesto Miranda, a rapist and kidnapper, who was not told of his rights to have an attorney when convicted for it. This went all the way to the Supreme Court, resulting in a landmark 1966 ruling that requires law enforcement officers (Archive) to tell people that they have the right to an attorney and to remain silent under the Fifth Amendment.

Assuming the sexual assaults allegations are true, the case to the public becomes less about salvaging Mignogna's career and more about the constitutional question of due process. What SJWs don't realize is that they aren't here to prove Vic was guilty of sexual assault in a criminal case, it's Vic who has to prove they are guilty of false allegations that fall under Texas's tortious interference laws in a civil case. As can be seen from the past two months, Vic has more than enough to go off to prove that his firing fell under that.

So even if Vic is as bad as the #kickvic side claims, he still needs to win his case unless #KickVic are somehow sitting on a mountain of video of audio evidence that they are strangely not showing to the public. If he doesn't, SJWs will seize the opportunity to censor fucking everything to further the narrative to "always believe survivors".

Would he still win? Yes! The trial will not be Vic on Trial, should it get to Trial. Vic affirms that he is innocent under oath. One assumes he has already give a sworn affidavit to that fact to his lawyer as part of their planned filings. So the question will not be "is Vic Guilty", but rather "was what the defendant said defamatory? And was it said with Malice?" Truthfulness of the statement may be a defense. But that will be much harder to prove by the defense. The SJW's assume Vic has to prove he is innocent. Nope, the defendants will have to provide clear admissible evidence and testimony that what they stated is correct, true and factual. And even then truth isn't a defense for Business Defamation.

One of the idiots said a great STUPID thing on Twitter today. "If there are 50 accusers and 49 lied, if 1 told the truth Vic will still be found guilty!", yeah no. See it works the other way. Vic is not on Trial for Guilt or Innocence. If they claim 50 victims, and 49 are proven lies, even if 1 is true, that is 49 instances of defamation that the defendant will be liable for. If the lawsuit includes Tortuous Interference then truth is no longer a defense. It is simply did they interfere and result in the loss of the business relationship, contract and income?

Further it is likley that the defendants will not be able to bring anything other than what they brought into the Funimation "Investigation". They can't start pulling mysterious new victims out of thin air. They will be on trial to back up and defend the specific defamation that they made. Not create new ones.

I'm probably not saything this well? The defendants won't be able to bring new allegations. Just try to explain the truth of the defamatory statements they have always

 

[MG 192]

ANN's Mike Toole proved that they are willing to take it to that level by labeling Lost Pause's Noble and Kneon from Clownfish TV as "Nazis" and tried to flag them for removal on YouTube. For me, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. Before that, I was going to sit on the sidelines and "let the chips fall where they may." Toole's actions spoke louder to me as who needs to be watched and ANN's stance on the moral high ground was that of shifting sands. Reflecting back on the decision to be a bit more active against the greater threat of Censorship Based On Differing Opinions, I believe my current decision is justified.
Also, the fact that SJWs were actively in the #kickvic movement told me all I needed to know.

I was undecided on the Vic Mignogna situation for a month and a half (although to be fair, I didn't do a lot of research before this month since I wanted to avoid the situation, then got bored and read this thread) and even I was shocked when Kneon got called a Nazi by Mike Toole. I lost any respect I had for ANN in one swoop because of that since that essentially means he and Geeky, his wife, will never get invited to a con again. The #kickvic campaign is not just a defamation campaign against Vic, but against us.

This entire incident has made a strong proponent of the due process and the Fifth Amendment. The "court by Twitter" system is a dangerous assumption where liars will fake sexual harassment in public in order to take down people they don't like. Ty Beard said this in his stream with Nick Rekieta, even the Salam Witch Trial had a more respectable court system than what SJWs want. That was chilling.

It's not just the fate of the western anime and manga industry decided here. It will impact whenever or not we're finally going to start seeing push back against the dangerous "guilty until innocent" belief the left wants to condition us to believe.

 

[TheClappening]

So here's a question that I have never seen anyone bring up,

They horribly miscalculated with Vic, I think. I think they were planning on getting Vic kicked, where he would fade into obscurity a broken man, his fans would pull a 180 and hate him, the majority would love the brave people who got a sexual predator removed from the industry, and that Vic's only supporters would be alt-right momma's basement incels who had no sense, cents, credibility, or likability. And legal action? No lawyer would even think to touch Vic The Molester.

And I think they were so sure of this that they threw caution to the wind. Funimation essentially said Vic was fired for harassment. Rooster Teeth and Funimation VAs went apeshit on twitter.

And they shot themselves in the foot. All their tweeting fueled the case for defamation, civil conspiracy, and malice. Inoue-Hart faked a SWATing and blamed it on Vic supporters. Vic did not go quietly, and in fact kicked back with the help of Rekieta and almost 3700 people. That GFM raised $100k in 15(?) days, while, to this day, the combined GFMs of Marzgurl, Hanleia, and Jamie Marchi have yet to meet their much, much smaller goals. Fans are flocking to Vic's support, with a few of them exposing ANN's misleading pictures for what they were. On top of that, there's plenty of fangirls in the mix, probably even a majority, putting to rest the thought that only angry white virgin boys would be supporting Vic. No lawyer would touch Vic? Have at it, Ty and ALOD will be touching you. I haven't compared all the numbers, but it looks like the support for KickVic is fizzling out.

If this goes the way I think it's going, it's going to be a backfire of epic proportions.

If the lawsuit includes Tortuous Interference

I hate being that guy but dammit it's tortious, not tortuous.


Also, again completely unrelated to Vic, but (says the black guy), "I found out I was Sandy Beige #42". "That sounds like a porn name"

 

[Urbanmech]

Would he still win? Yes! The trial will not be Vic on Trial, should it get to Trial. Vic affirms that he is innocent under oath. One assumes he has already give a sworn affidavit to that fact to his lawyer as part of their planned filings. So the question will not be "is Vic Guilty", but rather "was what the defendant said defamatory? And was it said with Malice?" Truthfulness of the statement may be a defense. But that will be much harder to prove by the defense. The SJW's assume Vic has to prove he is innocent. Nope, the defendants will have to provide clear admissible evidence and testimony that what they stated is correct, true and factual. And even then truth isn't a defense for Business Defamation.

One of the idiots said a great STUPID thing on Twitter today. "If there are 50 accusers and 49 lied, if 1 told the truth Vic will still be found guilty!", yeah no. See it works the other way. Vic is not on Trial for Guilt or Innocence. If they claim 50 victims, and 49 are proven lies, even if 1 is true, that is 49 instances of defamation that the defendant will be liable for. If the lawsuit includes Tortuous Interference then truth is no longer a defense. It is simply did they interfere and result in the loss of the business relationship, contract and income?

Further it is likley that the defendants will not be able to bring anything other than what they brought into the Funimation "Investigation". They can't start pulling mysterious new victims out of thin air. They will be on trial to back up and defend the specific defamation that they made. Not create new ones.

I'm probably not saything this well? The defendants won't be able to bring new allegations. Just try to explain the truth of the defamatory statements they have always

What's sad is if they did some minor research into stuff like this they would be amazed at what they will find. I mean look at the Jessie Ventura vs Chris Kyle case. Ventura took Kyle to court over him saying his chapter on Scruff Face in his book was Ventura on a radio show. And this was Kyle after the American Sniper book, after the Clint Eastwood Movie, all the TV appearance, War Hero, and death due to helping a Vet. And Kyle's estate still lost to Ventura even with all the appeals (Granted the extra damage money was appealed) but basically it boiled down to Chris Kyle lied. And like I said if these idiots would just do a bit of research they may realize how deep of shit they are in...but hey it may be fun watching them play chicken with the courts.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Mina Grelle.....

Like yeah I know people have phases where they question who they are but......

Mina Grelle. Why Mina? Sailor Venus fan?

 

[damian]

Shane: * touches hot stove * "Ow. that hurts."

1 minute later:
Shane: * touches hot stove again *

https://twitter.com/shane_holmberg/status/1107838287773868037 http://archive.fo/qHULH

https://twitter.com/shane_holmberg/status/1107840696885616641 http://archive.fo/CtUXG

Godspeed, you absolute tard.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Is-Is he for real? My God! Shane is giving Ron a run for his money (though that will be in Vic's by the end of it all) for the Biggest Lolcow of Weeb Wars.
In all seriousness, is Shane a sadomasochist? Why else would he ask for another verbally thrashing from Nick? That poor chair is at the end of this sick train.
The train begins with Nick destroying Shane, then, in turn, Shane destroys the chair. Code cracked.

 

[Male Idiot]

Shane has galaxy brain, thinks he must win because right side of history. So autism.

 

[Captain Manning]

Nick: "It's a Canadian paralegal."

Nick's guest: "That doesn't count. Canadians don't even have laws, do they?"

Nick: "A Canadian paralegal is like buying asian food at Applebees."

Nick's guest: "I think you can buy Canadian paralegal degrees at Office Depot."

<Both proceed to talk mad shit about Tim Horton's crappy donuts.>

 

[RodgerDodger]

I hate being that guy but dammit it's tortious, not tortuous.

Don't tell me, tell the bloody Auto-correct that keeps insisting tortuous?

 

[TheClappening]

Don't tell me, tell the bloody Auto-correct that keeps insisting tortuous?

Confirmed Google conspiracy to prevent people to learn their legal vocabulary.

Also... is it me or does Nick have mad dandruff?

 

[Captain Manning]

So Nick was informed that Shane wants round 2, and then Nick said "Oh, I think I know what he's doing."

Very interesting.

 

[Love Soze]

Also... is it me or does Nick have mad dandruff?

Yeah, don't wear black Rackets.

 

[Captain Manning]

Yeah, don't wear black Rackets.
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Oh, be nice. That's just the salt from all the people he's BTFOed.

 

[UY 690]

Something I found interesting. Do you guys think even if he wins his case they would still be salty about it and go after the next voice actor and cup and tea all over again? That would be fun.......

 

[TherapyMan]

I agree with most of what you say including this quote, but it's bound to be lowest for people that consider identity politics to be good/virtuous/necessary. I think it takes rejecting undue guilt to get there in the first place.



Yes, we are very lucky to have modern and progressive restrictions on fire-arms, that were first implemented due to foreigners doing terrorist attacks in trains in the 70s. As you can see it really limits shootings.

Yeah, don't wear black Rackets.
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Hey Nick, if you're reading this, make sure to get your scalp fixed up. Ladies hate dandruff.

If you're getting dandruff, you're probably having one of four issues:

1. You're being a lazy fuck when you shampoo and aren't massaging the shampoo into your scalp.
2. You're washing your hair too often, which strips the natural oils from your hair and dries out your scalp.
3. You're some sort of genetic abomination.
4. You're being cheap and using one of those terrible 3-in-1 men's shampoo, conditioner, and body wash.

I recommend being more thorough with your shampooing. Remember to lather BEFORE applying the shampoo to the scalp. Massage with the pads of your fingers, not with your fingernails! If you're having issues with your scalp being dry, try washing your hair less. Alternatively, buy a hair mask (or make one yourself with coconut oil, honey, and egg protein) to really reinvigorate the moisture in your hair and scalp.

Remember, friends don't let friends have bad hygiene.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Something I found interesting. Do you guys think even if he wins his case they would still be salty about it and go after the next voice actor and cup and tea all over again? That would be fun.......

We'll find out with Haberkorn Gaiden.

Do I think this will end entirely? No. They maybe window-licking idiots, but they are determined window-licking idiots.
Rekieta is right. Scorched Earth is the way to go. They NEED to know that there will be consequences and only the truly exceptional individuals would continue to pursue this.