Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

Well fuck me in some Darkest Dungeon-esque tentacle sex, Renfamous may be actually involved in this shit.

Forgive me for having my fucking mind blown if this is accurate, because holy shit, this timeline.
I remember, in the opening days of Vic being accused and run out of the community, people were saying on Reddit: What was more likely? That 30 women were telling the truth, or that there's a grand conspiracy against Vic Mignogna.

Oh God if only past me had seen this thread :story:
 
I don't touch this thread for about a day and there's forty new pages. Holy shit.
Also, I like how you can very easily, when seeing someone going 'yikes this is unprofessional and bad to invite him back three weeks before the con', hop on their profile, slide down to see tweets over the last month, search for 'Vic' and see some spergery. They aren't just seethrough, they're glow in the dark.
 
I remember, in the opening days of Vic being accused and run out of the community, people were saying on Reddit: What was more likely? That 30 women were telling the truth, or that there's a grand conspiracy against Vic Mignogna.

Oh God if only past me had seen this thread :story:

It's looking like literal civil conspiracy may be one of the counts in the lawsuit.
 
It's looking like literal civil conspiracy may be one of the counts in the lawsuit.
That's actually something I'm curious about. Is civil conspiracy a separate cause of action, or is it a modifier. In other words, would it be Rial Sabatage sued for defamation and civil conspiracy, or is it defamation made worse/modified with civil conspiracy?
 
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I've said it before, but I think it bears repeating: They horribly miscalculated. They went after a guy with legions of fan(girl)s, who's in high demand in the fandom, by all accounts is as good a man as he's portrayed to be (zero police action over his 50+ years), and is financially successful, relatively speaking.

If they had gone after, I dunno, Eric Vale, (who someone mentioned might be "problematic"), the story might be a lot uglier.
There are two other things they miscalculated on that I was just thinking about watching Vic's GFM numbers go up.

They knew Vic had a fangirl army, but forgot that a lot of those fangirls started following him 10+ years ago when FMA came out. They're now grown women with incomes and money to toss his way.

They also didn't calculate Nick in. As funny as it was when Shane called him the leader and however much Nick might downplay his role, he was a real kink in their plans. He was someone with a voice and an audience that they had no leverage over, and the brains to know how to use both to effectively challenge their little twitter trial. They probably hate him more than Vic right now, but unlike Vic they can't hurt him.
 
Also, it's thrilling to see both that Vic was invited back and that the complaints about him being invited back are utterly dwarfed by the people who are either happy to see him back or are just happy to see him and didn't know about the drama in the first place.

I'm still 20 pages behind, and catching up after the stream, but to your last point -
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Plus, two words: Future Trunks.
Female Dragon Ball fans could not get enough of him.

It's true. There's still anime pretty boys modeled after him.

SO what we do know is:

Iago = Sabat most likely. "Lots of people got it right"

Toye is definitely not Igor, but hypothetically has done something stupidier and thank god he has a lawyer already.

He said 'some people' got it right, and 'some people didn't'. I'm leaning heavily toward someone like Sheehan because of his connection to sponsors, and the fact that Ty alluded to there being more people involved in the phone badgering than Nick said. He said "When Iago and Igor and the other actors" referring to the 3 hour call.

We need to reconfirm whether Ty was mocking Iago or Igor's voice. Sabat has a pretty deep voice which is what lends him to boisterous masculine characters. It might be that ex-Funi manager that went over to Crunchyroll after all. Adam Sheehan or whatever.

He says "And I know what you're saying, Iago (weasel voice) 'They can't prove anything' and that is what his/your voice sounds like"

He purposefully dropped enough hints for people to figure it out, and it's among the people currently guessed, so it's not a total mystery actor.

I seriously hope they can strategically crumble at least some of the lawsuit targets. It's going to blow if Vic runs out of money without getting any actual solid justice and the suits being settled out of court.

Even if he runs through the warchest, he has his own money. It would just hurt him more to use that than the GFM.

Someone asked for Nick to bring on KaiserNeko. ?

Why? Scott is extremely distant orbit of this verbally, and if he's aware of any of Sabat's involvement he'll cover for him because he's a personal friend + TFS' inroad to the industry. It's completely in his interest to avoid getting into the debate beyond passively supporting Kickvic.

He said if they pulled out of Kamehacon they are the stupidest people they could possibly be.

I think he's pulling reverse psychology since so far they've done everything he said would be incredibly stupid to do.

I think the implication is that not only would it lose them money if they did that, but it would confirm that the accusations of them threatening to back out if Vic attended were true. Ren might claim that's okay, but they have been leaning hard on "Nick made that up", so I think they know that's a bad look for them.
 
So can someone explain what the thing about putting pleadings online making them not privledged Ty was talking about?

So basically if someone's lawyer reposts the pleading... they're no longer fair game to use against someone?
 
That's actually something I'm curious about. Is civil conspiracy a separate cause of action, or is it a modifier. In other words, would it be Rial Sabatage sued for defamation and civil conspiracy, or is it defamation made worse/modified with civil conspiracy?

It's not a cause of action in and of itself in all states, but a legal theory when people collude to commit some other illegal act, and its legal import is that anyone who is involved in the theory ends up on the hook for everything every other conspirator did.

Or wait.

Actually, it is a cause of action on its own in Texas. Why do these fucking idiots almost miraculously pick the worst possible thing to do in Texas and then do it in Texas?

Grabbed from a possibly out of date site:

The elements of civil conspiracy are (1) a combination of two or more persons; (2) the objective to be
accomplished is an unlawful purpose or a lawful purpose by unlawful means; (3) a meeting of minds on
the object or course of action; (4) one or more unlawful, overt acts; and (5) damages as the proximate
result. Ins. Co. of N. Am. v. Morris, 981 S.W.2d 667, 675 (Tex. 1998).

It still isn't a "stand alone" claim, because it is derivative of some other unlawful act and the collusion to commit it.

It's fairly common to throw around this theory in business lawsuits because if you can get joint and several liability against everyone for everything, it means you can just go collect against the deepest pockets.

The only issue with conspiracy here that I see is that some people, like Sabat for instance, if acting as a vice principal, would effectively be acting as the corporation in question, and therefore if you also named the corporation as a conspirator, you generally can't conspire with yourself. That kind of thing can whittle down the list of potential conspirators or whether you can proceed on that theory at all.

So can someone explain what the thing about putting pleadings online making them not privledged Ty was talking about?

You can't be sued for defamation for factual claims in legal pleadings you file.

If you repeat the same claims outside of court, though, even by posting the pleadings, you aren't protected by that immunity if you're the person who filed them.

However, if you're a third party and you do post the pleadings, and don't represent them as anything other than pleadings without opining as to their factual nature, you're probably protected.

It can just be unwise, if you're making questionable factual claims, to publicize your own pleadings.
 
I'm still laughing about Toye leveraging his Company in the Kamehacon strong arming.
That's the icing on the cake. What's the best thing to do when you're your breaking the law? Broaden liability, of course! Brilliant!

They also didn't calculate Nick in. As funny as it was when Shane called him the leader and however much Nick might downplay his role, he was a real kink in their plans. He was someone with a voice and an audience that they had no leverage over, and the brains to know how to use both to effectively challenge their little twitter trial. They probably hate him more than Vic right now, but unlike Vic they can't hurt him.
Nick also had connections to Anime Outsiders and, I think, to BHBH. If not directly, at least indirectly. AO had connections to Vic, so Nick got to Vic through AO, and then got Vic to BHBH. Nick was a key link in the chain that got Vic a team of lawyers who could really help him.
 
going to speculate a bit, TFS seems like, while maybe a bit social justicy, they at least haven't gutted their common sense and rationale. Likely, they're waiting for the dust to settle legally before saying anything or taking a side. Especially since Kaiserneko is friends with sabat.
the funny thing is, regardless of if the above is true or not, when it all comes to a head, TFS will never get into the anime scene again unless they manage to convince the anime fans in japan to try to convince toei to pick them up because either they'll have to piss off sabat by saying what he did was bullshit and heinous, or they'll piss off the anime community by saying sabat did nothing wrong uwu.
either scenario is hilarious. you either get a grown man throwing a tantrum like a toddler or you get salt mines from weebs.
 
They also didn't calculate Nick in. As funny as it was when Shane called him the leader and however much Nick might downplay his role, he was a real kink in their plans. He was someone with a voice and an audience that they had no leverage over, and the brains to know how to use both to effectively challenge their little twitter trial. They probably hate him more than Vic right now, but unlike Vic they can't hurt him.
This is all true, but at the start of all of this Nick kinda didn't have a voice, he was at roughly ~20,000 subs when this all broke. He's acted as some kind of glue to bring all of Vic's supporters to one area and discussed the legal issues and ramifications of peoples actions. His commentaries, while long, have been so much more informative than ANN or Io9 could ever hope to be and he's reporting new news in real time.


EDIT: to those discussing the bring #kickvic supporters on superchat, you missed the main point. They wanted them to be invited on so that Nick could destroy their stupid arguments ALA Shane.
 
I found Ty's comment that if anyone is being blackmailed into their anti-Vic position they should contact him intriguing and wonder whether it's based on a guess about what could have happened behind the scenes or information they've uncovered by digging.
I forget how Beard worded it, but he suggested that what they're doing to Todd they've done to other VAs. I wonder if Mr. Chuck Huber had any stories to tell.
 
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This is all true, but at the start of all of this Nick kinda didn't have a voice, he was at roughly ~20,000 subs when this all broke. He's acted as some kind of glue to bring all of Vic's supporters to one area and discussed the legal issues and ramifications of peoples actions. His commentaries, while long, have been so much more informative than ANN or Io9 could ever hope to be and he's reporting new news in real time.

Those fake news outlets will never analyze the filings in detail by going through them line by line, because that would not support their shitty, bogus narrative. All they have to peddle are lies, distorted and exaggerated rumors and anonymous bullshit, nothing submitted under legal penalties if they're false.

These scummy outlets that make Gawker look reputable have already made up their mind and are only going to fish desperately for stories to back up the defamatory statements they have already made.
 
Those fake news outlets will never analyze the filings in detail by going through them line by line, because that would not support their shitty, bogus narrative. All they have to peddle are lies, distorted and exaggerated rumors and anonymous bullshit, nothing submitted under legal penalties if they're false.

These scummy outlets that make Gawker look reputable have already made up their mind and are only going to fish desperately for stories to back up the defamatory statements they have already made.
And they are likely to get the Texas law cock in one of the rounds of litigation and sure as shit don't want to report on that.

General question, did Gawker ever report on the Hogan affair during/after they got fucked?
 
So I wonder if Mr. Tuttle will find out about Mr. Toyes exploits on Monday because a little birdy probably dropped him a hint? And no not saying someone from KF would just saying 8000+ viewers someone may call the branch manager to try and clue them in on what could possibly be heading their way, honestly wouldn't blame them though not the company's fault.
 
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I feel a little bad for Shane. Is it possible that he's, er, no exceptional jokes -- literally autistic? He kinda came across as such. Also, poor as dirt.

Most of the Anime Con volunteers I know tend towards being aspies who volunteer because attending the con is expensive as hell and they'd rather help other people have fun.



Edit: Oh wow, Viz's new policy: VAs are not allowed to sign anything that isn't licensed merch, nor can they sign things they didn't work on (i.e., Vic couldn't sign a Goku poster).

This is literally what Vic got called Homophobic for doing.
 
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