Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Flexo said:
Off the top of my circuits, I pointed it out back in 2018.
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Great minds must think alike. I think I brought that up in my first post in this thread.

JohnDoe said:
Every time I am reminded of the current state of Disney-led Star Wars I am just outright baffled.

Kennedy had, on paper, every advantage going into this;
Years of experience with Lucas.
Tons of pull with top-shelf directors.
Nearly endless money and resources.
Decades of EU content that basically focus-tested all sorts of ideas.
A rabidly devoted fanbase ready to eat their own faces for more Star Wars.
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Then again, its not like you have to be an ur-genius to realize that the EU represented a treasure trove of pre-vetted IP and sure-fire ideas. You'd just have to be smarter than Kathleen Kennedy.
(Or be trying to make Star Wars movies in good faith.) I'm certain hundreds, or even thousands of people and robots came to the same conclusions we we did.
 
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Wow, Mark Hamil continues to call out on Disney's BS.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Mark Hamill Raises Possibility of "Star Wars Fatigue" in Interview

During The Hollywood Reporter's "Awards Chatter Podcast," the Luke Skywalker actor — and star of the new History Channel series 'Knightfall' — says that speculation about audiences' waning appetite for the franchise isn't off-base.
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Of all the blatant shit that Disney did in their movies ideology-wise, the only thing that actually surprises me atm is that they didn't give the Stormtroopers pointy helmets to make them look like KKK goons.

Godzilla@1989 said:
Wow, Mark Hamil continues to call out on Disney's BS.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Mark Hamill Raises Possibility of "Star Wars Fatigue" in Interview

During The Hollywood Reporter's "Awards Chatter Podcast," the Luke Skywalker actor — and star of the new History Channel series 'Knightfall' — says that speculation about audiences' waning appetite for the franchise isn't off-base.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
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"Yes," Hamill said. "I'm not gonna tell them how to run their business, but is there a possibility of 'Star Wars fatigue'? Yeah, I think there is. I've experienced it, to a certain degree. But they never listen to my ideas anyway, so who needs 'em?"
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Things like "I fundamentally disagree with everything you did to Luke." I presume.

Also:
In one other Star Wars moment at the end of the podcast, Hamill was asked for his favorite film in the franchise. The actor likened the question to picking his favorite child, but eventually gave a response: "I guess I'd probably have to go with Empire [Strikes Back], only because it was so unexpected to have the protagonist be so soundly defeated, losing the hand and the dad Vader, all of it was pretty unexpected. And it was so cerebral: Yoda is such an important addition to the mythology and I thought it was so clever of George, the concept of the Force, so that you could talk about religion and spirituality without making people uncomfortable. So for that alone."
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Mark got it. JJ and Ruin never will.
 
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Godzilla@1989 said:
Anyone want to take bets that Disney and Lucasfilm rushed out the plot outline for the sequel trilogy right at the money the deal close and they just wing it from there?
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I doubt this, since I do not think there is a plot outline for the ST at all.

I genuinely think they handed this entire project to JJ, went "Now make the first movie of a trilogy" and left him to his own devices. He then churned out "A New Force", left some things open for whoever made VIII and went his merry way (btw, I don't buy the 'TLJ was written before TFA' rumors from some time ago). Johnson, again without any oversight, decided to be a douchenozzle and just smash anything that anyone cared about both in the OT and TFA. Now, we have JJ and he said that he had nothing to work with when he came back for IX.

So yeah, I think they were even more careless than you suggest without even the most basic of outlines.
Their only goal was making money.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I doubt this, since I do not think there is a plot outline for the ST at all.

I genuinely think they handed this entire project to JJ, went "Now make the first movie of a trilogy" and left him to his own devices. He then churned out "A New Force", left some things open for whoever made VIII and went his merry way (btw, I don't buy the 'TLJ was written before TFA' rumors from some time ago). Johnson, again without any oversight, decided to be a douchenozzle and just smash anything that anyone cared about both in the OT and TFA. Now, we have JJ and he said that he had nothing to work with when he came back for IX.

So yeah, I think they were even more careless than you suggest without even the most basic of outlines.
Their only goal was making money.
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That’s interesting. I also get the feeling that the writing staff wasn’t interested in using OT nostalgia pandering in the ST, but they were under orders to do so.
 
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Godzilla@1989 said:
That’s interesting. I also get the feeling that the writing staff wasn’t interested in using OT nostalgia pandering in the ST, but they were under orders to do so.
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I feel like OT nostalgia pandering is in fact the only reason these movies exist at all. Nostalgia for the OT is why the franchise has lasted so long. You're starting to get some prequel nostalgia from the generation that grew up with them, but at the end of the day what the general audience wants out if Star Wars is things that remind them of the Millenium Falcon and Darth Vader.
 
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The Shadow said:
I feel like OT nostalgia pandering is in fact the only reason these movies exist at all. Nostalgia for the OT is why the franchise has lasted so long. You're starting to get some prequel nostalgia from the generation that grew up with them, but at the end of the day what the general audience wants out if Star Wars is things that remind them of the Millenium Falcon and Darth Vader.
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That makes me wonder if there would be any ST nostalgia in the future.
 
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Godzilla@1989 said:
That makes me wonder if there would be any ST nostalgia in the future.
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There's little nostalgia to be had over a movie that's just ANH 2.0 and another known for "subverting expectations". The only scenes that seem to inspire anything worth remembrance among kids are Emo Ren's tantrum, Holdo's suicide bombing and "Ben and Han's (nonexistent) heartbreaking tale" which only seems to garner emotion because of the blank canvas effect. "TRAITOR" also seemed like something they would cherish as a meme but that died out fairly quickly despite that being one of TFA's few and notable original moments, but which was in itself completely flawed and pointless since it would've made more of an impact as an emotional situation between Finn and Captain Flatma.

So in the end, it seems Kylo Ren and maybe Traitor will be the only things that genuinely inspire positive nostalgia in the future.
 
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but still, the way the films are written, I feel like they wanted to stray from the OT as well, or be a remake of the OT rather than a sequel. Aside from Kylo Ren, all the other leads are really apart from the OT characters, and they could've easily had their adventures set in a different time, away from Luke and Leia and all that stuff.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I have a hunch that in 30+ years, people will still know who Luke Skywalker was and what he did.
In 5 years, no one will care about Rey.
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Why do I have a feeling that they're going to give her Luke's role from the old EU with the context of "she'll do it right"?

You know, having rebuilt the Jedi Order and becoming a legend, only without really earning any of it like Luke did.
 
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Vault Boy said:
Why do I have a feeling that they're going to give her Luke's role from the old EU with the context of "she'll do it right"?

You know, having rebuilt the Jedi Order and becoming a legend, only without really earning any of it like Luke did.
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Well Anakin's lightsaber was renamed "Rey's lightsaber" in TFA so...

GeneralFriendliness said:
"TRAITOR" also seemed like something they would cherish as a meme but that died out fairly quickly despite that being one of TFA's few and notable original moments
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I bet that pissed them off. TR-8R stole the Boba Fett status from Phasma, she was designed to be that meme/random character that fans would love. All the merch that was created for Phasma, for a 2 minutes max of presence on screen. Phasma is proof that you can't force the audience to like a character.
 
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