Do we as a nation still dwell too much on 9/11? - Have and should we move on?

[ProgKing of the North]

9/11 was an absolutely tragic event, nobody's denying it that's worth listening to. But it feels like 18 years later we still haven't really moved on from it and it's still being used to justify our foreign policy and a whole bunch of other bullshit from the TSA to the NSA. I get that it was an awful thing, and Omar probably shouldn't have said what she said, but if somebody described, say, the Las Vegas shooting as "a guy did something" would anybody freak out?

I'm just saying that an event from 18 years ago shouldn't still define the country, but I'll admit that I was in grade school when it happened and have never been to New York, so I don't bear the full brunt of it.

edit: obviously this was a post by Amerifags for Amerifags, but I'd still be interested in seeing outsiders' perspectives

 

[eldri]

Do jews dwell too much on the holocaust?

 

[JB 236]

No, we do not give a fuck about 9/11 in this nation

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Do jews dwell too much on the holocaust?

When they use it as a cudgel to avoid any criticism for Israel, yeah, they do

I don't think I've heard any of the Jews I actually know ever mention the Holocaust outside of a classroom setting.

 

[eldri]

When they use it as a cudgel to avoid any criticism for Israel, yeah, they do

You forget that the liberal jewish diaspora use it to discredit political opponents, specifically with the word nazi.

But, to answer your question, the people have moved on and the government has moved on. 9/11 is more or less used as a tool. The users of said tool only care that it gets them what they want.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

You forget that the liberal jewish diaspora use it to discredit political opponents, specifically with the word nazi.

And conservatives use 9/11 to ree every time a Muslim looks at them cross-eyed, what's your point?

Also for fuck's sake can we have one thread in Deep Thoughts that doesn't turn into bitching about the Jews?

 

[eldri]

And conservatives use 9/11 to ree every time a Muslim looks at them cross-eyed, what's your point?

Nothing really. My first post was akin to the saying "Does a bear shit in the woods?"

 

[KeyserBroze]

edit: obviously this was a post by Amerifags for Amerifags, but I'd still be interested in seeing outsiders' perspectives

I think the over-simplified answer is that for several generations of Americans 9/11 was for lack of a better term, a wake up call, they weren't alone in this as the last generation in Europe to be decisively attacked in such a manner have all but passed away.

It's testament to the average quality of life in America that for many their introduction to geopolitics was 9/11. Prior to that, due to the size and variety of climates available in the US, most Americans did not travel outside of the US and it's why today only 47% of Americans hold a passport.

Off topic, i think theres something lost here as whilst travel does broaden the mind traveling within one's own borders tends to reinforce it. Credit where it's due in the last decade the number of Americans with passports has almost doubled, although i suspect a disproportionate amount of which are from those who were in the Teen age range during 9/11 .

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

9/11 was used as a justification to push through some of the worst legislation possible.
People should be dwelling on that.

 

[Jeanne d'Arc]

It hurt New York, bad.

The Twin Towers were iconic, and they were just taken down in an instant by a radical group for ideological purposes. The Twin Towers could definitely be seen as a symbol of commerce and prosperity and capitalism and what have you, but they were also where thousands of people who wanted fuck-all to do with anything ideological just made their livings, and for them to have their lives snatched away like that.. it is unfair and cruel.

But do I think it dictate policy 18 years later? No. It should be a reminder that even titans/superpowers can be vulnerable. We should've used 9/11 not as an excuse to retaliate (although Osama Bin Laden can suck horsecock in hell), but to think through policy BETTER and stop making dumb decisions on certain fronts. 9/11 was the end product of years of conflict (we technically trained Bin Laden), and few people seem to realize that.

We need to remind people like Illhan Omar that it's insensitive to dismiss it as "some people did a thing" (it was a very, very calculated thing at best lmfao), but we need to be reasonable and look at it for what it was.

 

[Piss Clam]

I think we have killed enough muslims and had them kill each other to avenge 9/11 many times over.

Of course 9/11 wasn't even the start of this and it will be a long time before muslims stop killing each other and other people.

 

[Rumpled Foreskin]

The Vietnam War was wrong.

 

[Kamov Ka-52]

I've heard people talk about it maybe a handful of times over the last ten years or so. I'd argue that 9/11 has basically become a historical footnote to the Bush presidency and, more specfically, the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Those two wars and the subsequent ripple effect from them on the regional balance of power has had far, far greater implications for American domestic and foreign policy than 9/11 itself did.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Not really. 9/11 is rarely brought up outside of the occasional people still dwelling on "conspiracy"/"Theories." of the event. Outside of that I don't see people really bringing it up. Years ago, sure. Now. Not really.

 

[SmileyTimeDayCare]

As a nation probably not but there are definitely a lot of people who dwell on 9/11. I lived in NY for a long time and watched 1 WTC be constructed but I don't dwell on it. I lament the legislation and wars that resulted from it but that's about it.

That said the real offense committed by Omar as far as I'm concerned is that she tried to whitewash the attack. It wasn't some lone wolf in a van of peace or disturbed mass shooter(We ever going to get to know what you found FBI...). It was a bunch of well funded muslims who essentially bombed us. Coming from anyone else I might have a different take but Omar has been transparent about what she is and I believe she's been given enough slack. She knew what she was doing and she should hang by her words.

Also a more apt example might be a Japanese-American politician referring to Pearl Harbor as some people did something but it only works if Japan was still an empire randomly attacking other countries.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I think with any tragedy it's important we all come together over what They did to us and how we'll stop Them from doing it again.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

The Vietnam War was wrong.

The way it was described to the public was to prevent the spread of communism.
Sounded good enough.

 

[pomme]

Maybe I'll sound like an amerimutt bootlicker by saying this, but I think that Americans have every right to still be enraged by it and by all means should still be enraged. 18 years isn't a long time and 3000 deaths on your own turf shouldn't be so easily forgotten. If something like that happened so recently in my own country I don't think I could ever forget.

That being said, 9/11 jokes are still funny and Americans are far too passive about how it was used as a justification to stifle civil liberties. I think people in general are too quick to forget in a sort of "out of sight out of mind" kind of way.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

The way it was described to the public was to prevent the spread of communism.
Sounded good enough.

The public should've realized it doesn't fucking matter if Vietnam is communist or not (especially because it's not like South Vietnam was some bastion of freedom)

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

The public should've realized it doesn't fucking matter if Vietnam is communist or not (especially because it's not like South Vietnam was some bastion of freedom)

Well, to be fair the public isn't always the smartest group of people. They're the same people who still watch broadcast TV today.