Shane Holmberg / Shane Presley Holmberg - The Containment Cell for The Breaker of Chairs, Eater of Shoes, Groomer of His Child Bride

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Actually a good question so it is worth an answer. The problem comes in with assuming one person makes one allegation and that is it. Of course that is going to be called into question by everyone.
In this situation it was not one person randomly out of the blue making an allegation. It was someone like 10 years ago making one. And then in another part of the country someone else. Then someone else. Always about the same person. And this went on for years. YEARS. Even when some cons banned/blacklisted him for things, other cons kept bringing him cause money. Then people forget. People who don't remember or were not around for the days when there were websites dedicated to nothing but those people with bad experiences. So over the course of years there is stuff everyone knows is going on, but just don't have quite enough proof to do anything about it. Or are scared to say anything as they would be the only ones. So it gets pushed aside and ignored. Money right? It didn't happen at "their" show so no reason to worry about what happened at someone elses. Eventually enough stuff all came out at once way before Monica, Funi, and others got involved that it ended up being a situation of "Hey this is bad, we have known this, lets drop him". Then the next con who knew said "Look they are doing it we can finally do it too". Then the next, and next, and eventually there was so much public support to do it a domino effect occurred. Then of course came along statements from famous VAs, kickvick crews, and others which sort of muddied the waters. But at the end of the day the problem is what everyone knew but never told anyone. Cause how can a guy with his name in forums still today about sexual harassment, bad jokes in the booth about consent, and all these accusations be going strong and no one knows? Well cause people decided not to tell you. And you hear about it all at once and of course are in shock cause wtf just happened.

Only it is still happening cause they are still not telling you what they should. If it doesn't hit their pocket why should they get involved?

So someone asked what my end goal was earlier and this is it. People don't have to be pedophiles or rapists to do something wrong. Not everything is such an extreme. Heck in a life everyone rubs someone the wrong way at some point. You figure it out, correct it and move on. But in this situation, even though he already admitted that he may have done something that made someone uncomfortable, and that was fucking good enough for me, then all this twitter shit started and everyone trying to prove he was like Jesus and without any sins. For gods sake he is just a man who may have screwed up. he said he may have, apologized, lets fucking move on already. But people cant let it go. There are so caught up on both sides to making this some rally cry for a fight against a cultural movement, they all take for granted this man who dedicated his life to anime and the industry who is now being used by both sides for nothing but cheap points.

Vic is not the only person who has done inappropriate shit. He was just the one who got called out, didn't listen and kept doing it. So shit got bad for him. And right after he apologized and admitted there were things he needed to fix, people on both sides hijacked the conversation because of some cultural war they wanted to fight.

He could have had an actual comeback starting months ago people too many people on both sides decided he was nothing more than a pawn in whatever game they were playing.

Vic did some stuff he shouldn't have. Doesn't mean he is a predator, or a pedophile. He just did some inappropriate things. Everyone does. He admitted it, and said he was fixing it. Good enough, take his fucking word for it and move on.
But too many people have to hijack to make a buck. Cause outrage sells subscribers.

/raises hand

It’s completely lost on you, that what you have described right there in the body of your text is in fact Civil Conspiracy, and unlawful highly illegal collusion between separate and competing businesses. And all around the concept of “we’ve heard stories”. See Shane, the Cons are businesses. As businesses they aren’t allowed to discuss this sort of thing with each other behind the scenes. Blacklisting across competing busineses is not just actionable it’s “pound me in the ass Federal Prison” type illegal. Your story, as described, if accurate, is enough for Vic or rather his attorneys to start filing FTC complaints. This is why businesses do not ever discuss employment or contractor matters with each other beyond verification of employment. You would think a skilled and experienced manager who knows all about contracts like you would know this.

See the entire heart of your story, the very center of it, is a Federal crime. And Vic isn’t the criminal.
 
every time Shane tries to clarify shit he just sounds worse
all I can think of when I see his posts at this point is this
your not the best at explaining yourself buddy

glad to hear you have some sort of respect for other business owners tho, hard to come across nowadays

Too bad he can't respect his furniture or the respectful dissonance of marrying someone 20 years his junior.


Don't even think about dissing Ty. That man built up a two man firm from almost nothing in Tyler to the beast it is today. He deals with the hand he has been dealt. You all may think badly of him if nothing ends up happening but I won't.
If a year goes by and nothing ever happens, that man did his fucking best with what he had to work with.
None of us diss Ty, or Nick for that matter.

We wouldn't think less of either man, we respect them, even more for promising they'll do everything in their power to protect and defend Vic in the full armor of God.
 
We are totally having sex again tonight, thanks for asking. If you don't know what sex is or just can't have any yourself I can give you a play by play later.

How in the world do you think Nick and BHBH is part of a comeback when those who run cons outside of me say it it makes it less likely they ever invite him?
When did you meet your wife.

When did you meet her dad
 
/raises hand

It’s completely lost on you, that what you have described right there in the body of your text is in fact Civil Conspiracy, and unlawful highly illegal collusion between separate and competing businesses. And all around the concept of “we’ve heard stories”. See Shane, the Cons are businesses. As businesses they aren’t allowed to discuss this sort of thing with each other behind the scenes. Blacklisting across competing busineses is not just actionable it’s “pound me in the ass Federal Prison” type illegal. Your story, as described, if accurate, is enough for Vic or rather his attorneys to start filing FTC complaints. This is why businesses do not ever discuss employment or contractor matters with each other beyond verification of employment. You would think a skilled and experienced manager who knows all about contracts like you would know this.

See the entire heart of your story, the very center of it, is a Federal crime. And Vic isn’t the criminal.

Well Vic is in fact the one at fault. And if the entire con world burns to the ground, some of the big players in that con world would say that I would be the last person who cared.
 
Well Vic is in fact the one at fault. And if the entire con world burns to the ground, some of the big players in that con world would say that I would be the last person who cared.

Holy shit.
I think I found an ego that not only eclipses Sargon's, but crushes it to dust under its insane mass.
What the shit...
 
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