Orbiter Fred Fuchs / Freddy Boy - DSP-log who ended up surpassing Phil as a lolcow. The sok proved phil right. Fuched on Kiwi.

[Aquinas]

honestly, i'd be interested in the talks about kamatsubu

 

[Haunter]

if there are any questions or requests for more information/leaks let me know and id be happy to oblige

What was it that made you decide to release this stuff now, rather than during the implosion when others were releasing their own stuff?

Also, who do you think @Anonymous User is?

honestly, i'd be interested in the talks about kamatsubu

Oh, were you not joking about "My group has experienced Kamatsubu?" What happened?

 

[Aquinas]

Oh, were you not joking about "My group has experienced Kamatsubu?" What happened?

well, exactly what these guys said happen, to an extent.
We'd be in VC and he would tend to dominate the already autistic conversation with how the SoK fucked him over, which far more often than not, turns into him vitrolically raging. and for most of his tenure with us, we were sympathetic.
You know, until he'd fuck off to the SoK after they ousted fred, and come back some months later spitting piss and fire about how they did it again.
Now 'jeb' one of our friends, was a frequent recipient to his DM rants during both of his periods with us. until one night jeb had been drinking and complaining about kama in vc, and how he doesnt follow our advice. so it just kinda spiraled from there into what was eventually, a five hour call in another server with us and him yelling at each other, also many MANY jokes of kama reenacting the scene from the dark knight rises, where bane breaks batmans spine, with his mother.

 

[bearsintrees]

if there are any questions or requests for more information/leaks let me know and id be happy to oblige

I dunno if it's been anything posted before because there's just so much, but was there a definitive event or time period that caused Fred and the others to start recording and documenting everything? Or a first "everyone posts their grievances in a doc and we vote to expel you from a fake group" kind of event?

How did these really dehumanizing google docs become the norm of the group, and was it just so gradual that no one noticed?

 

[Near]

Strange. I seem to recall you defending us during the ardnas situation and then deleting your comments like the embarassed little bitch you are.

Well SoKtard, the magic's kinda gone when your leader turns out to be a schizophrenic Tony Montana LARPer who wanted the entire autistic detractor pie for himself.

I started off a little suspicious of Ardnas due to the use of "Vietnamese socks" when one of you fucks made a screenshot of in analytics. They were also blocking nearly every comment they were getting, if it didn't just completely agree with one side of the story. This is the kind of thing DSP would do, so you know i'm gonna laugh at you if you do that shit and then say how the "fat man bad" next day.
But most of this turned out to be gay ops by your shitty group, in order to save face, so i'm glad you faggots killed yourselves

Also, who do you think @Anonymous User is?

Getting vibes of someone who would build a water well in Africa to prove he's better than you

 

[Odie Esty]

To expand on @Aquinas experience, Kamatsubu joined my discord about two years ago when it started, around april 2017. Kama was an alright member of the group, not particularly charismatic but a lot of people in the discord we're pretty awkward. While I never really experienced this, I know other people got a little irritated with Kama for CONSTANTLY talking about the SoK and how upset he was about them, but Kama was tight lipped around me. I think he assumed anything he said to me would be made into a video. I distinctly remember joining VC late one night and walking in on him talking about why he left the SoK. As he told it, he struck up a relationship with another member (the aussie chick) and she had used her influence in the group to get him kicked. Once he saw I was there he clammed up and shifted the discussion to something else. I just assumed he was spooked about his dirty laundry being aired out, but now I think he may have been afraid of someone finding out what really happened.

Kama would come and go for months at a time which wasn't unusual, but his return was always punctuated with therapy sessions about the SoK and whether or not to bring them back into his lives. Again i didn't see most of this but i've heard a lot of people talking about it so I doubt it's wrong. Even so, Kama's drama was fairly low level and we had bigger cows to deal with. It was hard to make fun of Kama being upset about his friends kicking him out when you had a tranny who sold his virginity to taco bell. Still, it was wearing down on other users, but it was me who ended up kickstarting his exodus.

One night Kama posted some 9/11 truther shit on the sister server and that started up an argument between me and him because 9/11 truthers are retarded. This conversation mostly went around in circles as kama refused to engage me on the actual point, but he did reveal he believed the migrant crisis was orchestrated by jews to displace white Europeans. For some reason. To be fair, I wasn't into the minutia of the debate as I was just trying to get my NUT so I got pretty personal with my insults, and that ended with me getting kicked. This was in late August.

The real shit happened on September 8th, and I only know that because I was playing spider-man when it all went down. In the two or so weeks since I left Kama had gone into MAXIMUM OVERSAD about the SoK. Presumably he felt like the rest of the discord had his back so he was more open about how the then recent Fred leaks had affected him. This came to a boiling point when 'Jeb' jumped into VC and immediately started talking about how sick he was of Kama, to Kama's face. That night I was brought back into the discord and surprisingly became the mediator between other users of the server and Kama.

That night was fucking brutal, Kama went under a torrent of shit from every angle. It's really hard to hammer home just how bad he got it. During this Kama let slip a lot of details about his life; Kama was approaching 40, meaning the entire time he's been older than DSP. he was also unemployed and living with his sick mother, which quickly devolved into "Kama beats his dying mother every night". He was also at odds with his mother's nurse because he refused to take Kama to McDonald's? A lot went down that night. Notably, I saw a very familiar behavior in kama that night. you know when you get super high off of your own anger, and there comes a point you can clearly see it's time to cool down but you find a reason to get angry again? That was Kama. That's a behavior I grew out of a few years ago so it was surprising to see a 40 year old man still partaking in it.

That night went on for a while, and it prompted one of the greatest copy pastas I've ever seen:

Spoiler: Big Ass Anger

You know what? Fuck civility. I went in there last night wanting to talk things out like adults but their intentions from the beginning was to be cruel, mean, disrespectful, and in the case of sensei make baseless diagnoses about me despite not knowing me and only talking to me twice. I should have been meaner and twisted the knife in their backs harder. Not only do I stand behind all the shit I said to them in anger and hurt but I will NEVER talk to any of them again without a full apology plus begging for forgiveness. I did nothing wrong and their accusations that I was like that with the SoK are equally baseless. They weren't there so how dare they make such assertions? They can take their advice and shove it up their ass. I don't need it and it's funny that I'm being told from all those mental cases that I'm the one that needs help. Please pass this along to them. But don't give me their responses. I don't care what some worthless, pathetic, Incel losers who are frustrated at their own shitty lives so they have to take it out on me have to say. After all they will never be or have anything worthwhile. By the by if they think they're better than me because I'm older then they aren't. They'll still be the same pieces of shit at my age too so maybe they should grow up.

Kama left the discord that night and hasn't returned, but everytime there's SoK drama a little part of me hopes he comes limping back. Shit's cash yo.

 

[Etrian Autistry]

It was hard to make fun of Kama being upset about his friends kicking him out when you had a tranny who sold his virginity to taco bell.

The tranny didn't sell his virginity to Taco Bell, he sold his bum virginity to a 50 year old married mexican man in exchange for Taco Bell.

 

[LeaksTwoPointOh]

honestly, i'd be interested in the talks about kamatsubu

the deal was when Overwatch came out, a large chunk of the SoK began to play it while also having calls in a special Overwatch Skype group. Kama did not have the game at first so he was never in it. By the time he was creeping onto Schaden, telling Fazzy that he was going to kill him for criticizing his writing, and being "left out", he bought the game assuming he'd get to play with everyone else. Needless to say that didn't happen so he felt excluded and started being more aggressive like the guy explained before me.

What was it that made you decide to release this stuff now, rather than during the implosion when others were releasing their own stuff?

Also, who do you think @Anonymous User is?

Mainly due to renewed interest and finding more information that I had which I felt the need to share. when the leaks came out many of us were more worried about covering our asses and trying to distance ourselves than adding fuel to the fire. Basically, putting a bullet in the head rather than supply their own info. at this point Id rather just get everything out there instead of having to think about it again. Nobody in the group pre or post leaks shared even a quarter of the stuff that we recorded/said so why not air out all the dirty laundry instead of just acknowledging what outsiders managed to drudge up.

No idea who the anon is, but knowing that they made comments on such a specific video lends me to believe that they were in the group.

I dunno if it's been anything posted before because there's just so much, but was there a definitive event or time period that caused Fred and the others to start recording and documenting everything? Or a first "everyone posts their grievances in a doc and we vote to expel you from a fake group" kind of event?

How did these really dehumanizing google docs become the norm of the group, and was it just so gradual that no one noticed?

there was a call with ghosthead85 in 2014 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPihNbdVjzM ) where the SoK basically ripped him a new one because he made a parody account of Karel's wife. we recorded in secret and since we all felt that we were in the right for doing it, that's where it comes from. as for obsessively documenting things over time, it began whenever we got pushback (which only started happening when Fred came in the picture). There was a stream called "Grandfathers of Kojima" (ran by CyberDemon531) that the group watched and were scared shitless because they were making fun of us. After that, Fred made sure to directly contact detractors of us and nip them in the bud before they went public (or more public).

 

[Bryan Dunn]

Couldn't access my old skype account to get me and freds conversations sadly @Haunter I forgot about it til I saw these new leaks today. Also that anon user is probably Che tbh. Its hard to tell though. Could be a fred sock mad that his thread got bumped.

 

[Etrian Autistry]

By the time he was creeping onto Schaden, telling Fazzy that he was going to kill him for criticizing his writing, and being "left out", he bought the game assuming he'd get to play with everyone else. Needless to say that didn't happen so he felt excluded and started being more aggressive like the guy explained before me.

As a person who is also in that discord Kama was in, the whole SoK debacle really fucked him up, more than it really should have for any healthy individual. He would DM me occasionally asking for help or advice to calm down, and it was really strange in retrospect considering he's close to 40 years old and I'm 15-20 years younger than he is. He's pretty mentally disturbed, so much so that being booted from the SoK unironically has made him ultra-paranoid and highly aggressive when he remotely believes he is being conspired against in any way, shape or form, and as such he probably has immense troubles making/keeping internet friends. He also claimed he has some kind of eye disease that is going to make him go blind after a while, but I don't remember what it's name was and I don't have a way to confirm if its real or if he was pity-mongering.

 

[Ikas_Ando]

Well SoKtard, the magic's kinda gone when your leader turns out to be a schizophrenic Tony Montana LARPer who wanted the entire autistic detractor pie for himself.

I started off a little suspicious of Ardnas due to the use of "Vietnamese socks" when one of you fucks made a screenshot of in analytics. They were also blocking nearly every comment they were getting, if it didn't just completely agree with one side of the story. This is the kind of thing DSP would do, so you know i'm gonna laugh at you if you do that shit and then say how the "fat man bad" next day.
But most of this turned out to be gay ops by your shitty group, in order to save face, so i'm glad you faggots killed yourselves



Getting vibes of someone who would build a water well in Africa to prove he's better than you

This whole event is ancient history as far as internet autism scandals and I only sat on the sidelines and watched, but this whole thing came to mind recently while watching Phillip’s life implode.

I wish I would have thrown in my 2 shekels at the time and stood up for Ardnas. The fact she got wrecked by scrubs still makes me resent the SOK.

#CultofArdnas

 

[Aquinas]

I would like to take this chance to announcec a new group with me @Odie Esty and @Auk Autist, among others. We are the SoK (Sons of Kamatsubu)

 

[Pargon]

well, exactly what these guys said happen, to an extent.
We'd be in VC and he would tend to dominate the already autistic conversation with how the SoK fucked him over, which far more often than not, turns into him vitrolically raging. and for most of his tenure with us, we were sympathetic.
You know, until he'd fuck off to the SoK after they ousted fred, and come back some months later spitting piss and fire about how they did it again.
Now 'jeb' one of our friends, was a frequent recipient to his DM rants during both of his periods with us. until one night jeb had been drinking and complaining about kama in vc, and how he doesnt follow our advice. so it just kinda spiraled from there into what was eventually, a five hour call in another server with us and him yelling at each other, also many MANY jokes of kama reenacting the scene from the dark knight rises, where bane breaks batmans spine, with his mother.

Jesus. If this is real maybe their fate makes this timeline the good one.

What has died should stay dead.

 

[Schmeckel]

I would like to take this chance to announcec a new group with me @Odie Esty and @Auk Autist, among others. We are the SoK (Sons of Kamatsubu)

Sign me up. Record what you want, you're not getting much out of me with regards to how many city blocks. I am away from Dave.

 

[Aquinas]

Sign me up. Record what you want, you're not getting much out of me with regards to how many city blocks. I am away from Dave.

what?

 

[Perspicacity]

So most of the leaks are insanely boring so far, it's like middle schoolers talking over Discord, except their grown men. So here's an interesting meltdown about someone posting "boring" in the chat during a stream. I isolated Fred here but I clipped the full convo in attachments, it's just too long to post. I think this gives some insight into how insanely paranoid they were. There's also something at the end of the call about moogle wanting to record someone named Burn at the end.

[11/6/2014 7:39:59 PM] Fred Fuchs: Moog, why did you do that?
Fred Fuchs: The makes the problem worse
Fred Fuchs: now we are banning for things we dont like
Fred Fuchs: We still had credibiliy by timing out a racist comment
Fred Fuchs: No he was new
Fred Fuchs: FreddyandFriends
Fred Fuchs: and I think that was Burn
Fred Fuchs: because he is the only person that calls me Freddy
Fred Fuchs: and now we're getting "SucksFredsDick" in response to the ban
Fred Fuchs: I just want to suggest we not moderate for things like "boring"
Fred Fuchs: racist comment is definately ban worthy
Fred Fuchs: banning or timing out for things we dont like is just giving ammo to our detractors
Fred Fuchs: making us look like Phil
Fred Fuchs: Moscha
Fred Fuchs: I'm just worried about FoK starting up again
Fred Fuchs: for all we know thats them trying to get banned on purpose
Fred Fuchs: that's fine with me
Fred Fuchs: I want to listen back
Fred Fuchs: see how it went
Fred Fuchs: I believe they are trying to get banned by playing with the rules
[11/6/2014 8:04:20 PM] Fred Fuchs: so they can come back and say look at these hypocrites

 

[Haunter]

So most of the leaks are insanely boring so far, it's like middle schoolers talking over Discord, except their grown men. So here's an interesting meltdown about someone posting "boring" in the chat during a stream. I isolated Fred here but I clipped the full convo in attachments, it's just too long to post. I think this gives some insight into how insanely paranoid they were. There's also something at the end of the call about moogle wanting to record someone named Burn at the end.

[11/6/2014 7:39:59 PM] Fred Fuchs: Moog, why did you do that?
Fred Fuchs: The makes the problem worse
Fred Fuchs: now we are banning for things we dont like
Fred Fuchs: We still had credibiliy by timing out a racist comment
Fred Fuchs: No he was new
Fred Fuchs: FreddyandFriends
Fred Fuchs: and I think that was Burn
Fred Fuchs: because he is the only person that calls me Freddy
Fred Fuchs: and now we're getting "SucksFredsDick" in response to the ban
Fred Fuchs: I just want to suggest we not moderate for things like "boring"
Fred Fuchs: racist comment is definately ban worthy
Fred Fuchs: banning or timing out for things we dont like is just giving ammo to our detractors
Fred Fuchs: making us look like Phil
Fred Fuchs: Moscha
Fred Fuchs: I'm just worried about FoK starting up again
Fred Fuchs: for all we know thats them trying to get banned on purpose
Fred Fuchs: that's fine with me
Fred Fuchs: I want to listen back
Fred Fuchs: see how it went
Fred Fuchs: I believe they are trying to get banned by playing with the rules
[11/6/2014 8:04:20 PM] Fred Fuchs: so they can come back and say look at these hypocrites

Oh, thanks for going through that. For some reason, it didn't occur to me to actually glance over the stuff ?

 

[LeaksTwoPointOh]

So most of the leaks are insanely boring so far, it's like middle schoolers talking over Discord, except their grown men. So here's an interesting meltdown about someone posting "boring" in the chat during a stream. I isolated Fred here but I clipped the full convo in attachments, it's just too long to post. I think this gives some insight into how insanely paranoid they were. There's also something at the end of the call about moogle wanting to record someone named Burn at the end.

[11/6/2014 7:39:59 PM] Fred Fuchs: Moog, why did you do that?
Fred Fuchs: The makes the problem worse
Fred Fuchs: now we are banning for things we dont like
Fred Fuchs: We still had credibiliy by timing out a racist comment
Fred Fuchs: No he was new
Fred Fuchs: FreddyandFriends
Fred Fuchs: and I think that was Burn
Fred Fuchs: because he is the only person that calls me Freddy
Fred Fuchs: and now we're getting "SucksFredsDick" in response to the ban
Fred Fuchs: I just want to suggest we not moderate for things like "boring"
Fred Fuchs: racist comment is definately ban worthy
Fred Fuchs: banning or timing out for things we dont like is just giving ammo to our detractors
Fred Fuchs: making us look like Phil
Fred Fuchs: Moscha
Fred Fuchs: I'm just worried about FoK starting up again
Fred Fuchs: for all we know thats them trying to get banned on purpose
Fred Fuchs: that's fine with me
Fred Fuchs: I want to listen back
Fred Fuchs: see how it went
Fred Fuchs: I believe they are trying to get banned by playing with the rules
[11/6/2014 8:04:20 PM] Fred Fuchs: so they can come back and say look at these hypocrites

good find. another good one is this currently unlisted video where Fred and loophole talk to wisenate aka gamertalklive, someone who shit on dsp back in the day until he did a podcast with him. This is actually the first ever time Fred Fuchs talked in public and right after this call he got added to the SOK after txt and loophole vouched for him (so you can blame those two for Fred). https://youtu.be/TQ5Y0h9hKU4?t=344

 

[FrankPentangeli]

So most of the leaks are insanely boring so far

Other than the odd leak I'd agree, a lot of the first leaks were already known prior and wasn't really interesting other than to the people affected by the group/Freds shenanigans and the newer stuff is just more paranoia which seems to be the overarching theme to a lot of their conversations [Though to be fair they had good reason as they were probably all recording each other surreptitiously]

Interesting to see them discuss what they would or wouldn't ban people for. That didn't last long.

 

[Near]

Fred Fuchs: banning or timing out for things we dont like is just giving ammo to our detractors
Fred Fuchs: making us look like Phil

We're not like Phil, but we'll call our haters detractors.
2000 IQ Fred.

And this is 2014, the very beginning of this gay shit