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They can't be common law married until they actually call each other husband and wife, and if they start doing it now, I believe someone else said that's only really going to protect them from stuff starting at the moment they call each other husband and wife. Couldn't really cover it retroactively very far since they insist on using fiance now.
I believe you have the right of it. Nick mentioned in the stream where he destroyed Soye that they weren't married at the time of the events that are being brought up by the lawsuit since all of Vic's "inappropriate" behaviors happened years ago so Ron still won't have spousal privilege for those particular events even if their union is made official by Texas law. The only stuff their "marriage" would be relevant for is anything that happened AFTER they are officially husband and wife.

But that will never happen because Monika would never acknowledge Soye as a husband because he's her rebound and she probably cheats on him regularly with Sabat while he watches from inside some closet somewhere like a creep and marinating in his irrelevance.
 
You guys have to be careful with that since Texas still has common law marriage, and they already meet two prongs of the 3 prong test, all they have to do now is call each other husband and wife and at that moment they're legally married per Texas Law
They can't be common law married until they actually call each other husband and wife, and if they start doing it now, I believe someone else said that's only really going to protect them from stuff starting at the moment they call each other husband and wife. Couldn't really cover it retroactively very far since they insist on using fiance now.
Whatever happens, I for one think it's hilarious that a lawsuit might force Rial to marry her beta-cuck!

"I'll always remember the twinkle of the overhead fluorescent lighting in her eyes when she finally said those magical words: Yes, your honor."
 
Since I'm seeing some people talk about the Rooster Teeth Shane letter stuff, I thought I'd give a quick overview of it from someone who's been in the RWBY fandom since before the letter broke. Apologies that this is a bit long.

The letter was written by Shane Newville, an apprentice animator to Monty. Shane didn't have a great childhood and animation became one of his methods of getting through the day, especially after being diagnosed with some mental health disorders. Shane met Monty and the two hit it off like wildfire, with Shane following Monty into Rooster Teeth when Monty was hired by them around Red vs Blue's 8th season. Shane, along with most of the animation team that worked on RVB's CG fights from season 8-10, left that team with Monty after he announced that he wanted to make his own original show, that being RWBY. Something worth noting about Shane is that he didn't so much like Monty as adore him- in the letter, Shane writes of Monty like a messiah and keeps taking shots at all the other animators for not coming close to Monty's conviction or talent and being unimportant to Monty's wider "vision."

Despite some promising early trailers (Shane worked on two of them, the Black and Yellow trailers), RWBY's first two seasons are seen as very clunky and flawed in a lot of areas- Volume 1 was made by about thirteen people and didn't even have enough budget to make background characters, so instead it relied on shadow people. The animation was very finnicky outside of the combat, which Monty made shine. What kept people interested in RWBY beyond the fights was a sense of genuine charm to it, between what was seen as very good character design and some interesting takes on fairytales for character inspiration, as such RWBY gained a very passionate fandom in the early days who were inspired to write fansongs, cosplay as the characters and even create costumes for their OCs- a character in-show, Neo, was inspired by Monty seeing a female cosplayer's take on the character Roman Torchwick.

Something I should note here- Monty adored working with Rooster Teeth and didn't regret it for a second, Shane's claims that Monty wanted to leave RT and take RWBY as a franchise with him have never been supported by an alternate source and I'm inclined to think he was lying or misconstrued something Monty said before his death.

Monty's death proved to be a disaster for Shane's mental health- as mentioned, he has a long history with mental health issues and after Monty died and the choice was made to keep RWBY going, Shane went overboard in trying to emulate Monty's machine-like work ethic of long nights. The problem was that Monty was one of a kind and trying to replicate his casual attitude of working through the night just wasn't possible, and Shane's marriage with his wife Katie fell apart soon after. The other big problem for Shane was that the software he and Monty were used to, Poser, was an old and outdated piece of shit software. All the new members of the crew had to be trained to use Poser and it made production a nightmare, especially when Volume 3 was set to push the tech to its absolute limits, causing frequent crashes. Poser proved such a problem that Volume 3's finale was only finished and ready to air hours before its airdate. Monty only used Poser for so long because it made animation rigging easier so he could reuse combat animation, and various Rooster Teeth employees have noted that it was a piece of shit tech that Monty made dance. As such, Rooster Teeth made the executive call that from Volume 4 onwards that the show would use Autodesk Maya, a more user-friendly software that's one of the standard bits of software animators are trained in and would cause less production issues than Poser.

Shane wasn't happy with this call, and saw the choice as a betrayal of Monty's work ethic (fun fact, Monty's literal last tweet before his death showed that he was getting practice in on Maya indicating that he was fine with the choice to shift). In fact, Shane saw anything that deviated from how Monty would have done it as a betrayal of his friend, even when it was done to make production easier in the long run. Be it having Monty's wife audition for a character like anyone else, cutting out plot beats that would have made no sense or would have been actively detrimental in the long run, Shane frequently butted heads with the writers and directors for going against "Monty's vision." As such, through the lens of Shane's mind, which was already falling apart due to his best friend dying and his wife leaving him, Shane saw the situation as him and Monty's wife being the true protectors of RWBY as a franchise and Rooster Teeth being the "soulless corporation" that was stealing Monty's vision and not sticking to the letter of the loose plans Monty had left lying around about where he wanted the show to go (ignoring that Monty himself was prone to just adding things during the show for the hell of it, including an entire magic system just because he thought it would be cool, and he brought Miles and Kerry in specifically because by Oum's own admission he was a terrible writer and wanted their help). Shane's complaints about the story omissions in particular feel like him being angry that Miles and Kerry engaged in the practice of... editing a script.

Eventually, Shane was let go from Rooster Teeth after Volume 3 wrapped, likely in part due to his own refusal to let the matter rest and his own inexperience with Maya. He wrote the big old letter alleging that RT were "defiling Monty's vision" or some such, and barring some cut content from Volume 3 that has since been leaked (such as Monty working on a fight between two characters when last year the animation for that test footage was leaked), nothing in Shane's letter has ever been verified except by ex-Rooster Teeth employees who already had a grudge to bear with the company, and even then some of those employees have since retracted their support.

Really the whole thing is more tragic than anyone else- Shane lost a very close friend who helped him get a dream job, his life fell apart shortly after and in his attempts to try and keep things as they were which was simply not possible after Monty's passing, he just alienated his own coworkers and wound up losing his job as a result. Likely everything in the letter is true... from the perspective of a man going through severe depression and jumping at shadows.

Either way, the fandom as a whole doesn't like to talk about the letter, especially since several Youtubers use the letter every chance they get to insult RT and claim that it's gospel (they're not even very good critics, anyone could write them under the table). One such imbecile, MuffinManDan, even went as far as to consider on Discord hacking Rooster Teeth's servers to find evidence that the letter's contents were true, which would have landed him with corporate espionage charges if he did. Ironic that Shane derided Rooster Teeth for, in his eyes, becoming opportunistic vultures about RWBY when people who claim to support Shane would themselves become vultures pecking at RT.

For the record, RT themselves have never officially responded to the letter save for one admin for the site that offered his own perspective on the letter. They have a tendency to just stick their heads in the sand whenever controversy flares up and it seems to work out for them.

tldr: Shane was going through some very rough times and the letter was his only outlet, but it shouldn't be taken as gospel about what really happened behind the scenes after Monty died, especially since Shane himself and Monty's wife don't like to to talk about it and BTS evidence indicates that Shane was getting angry over other people doing their jobs or streamlining a production timeline.

Oh BTW the whole thing of "Monty's wife killed him" is a completely retarded conspiracy theory that even those aforementioned vultures have disavowed, this is basically the only site that believes it wholesale.
 
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Really tangentially related, but for those that missed it, Colonel J got banned from the Farms over the weekend.

Thread here:

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/my-plea-to-be-unbanned-from-kiwi-farms.55417/

It's tangentially related because he was crapping up Nick's stream a couple of nights ago saying that Nick and Ty are making a big mistake having anything to do with KF.

Naturally, he's begging to be let back in because that doesn't apply to him.

Go ahead and press F in the other thread, I'd just thought I'd mention it here because it's amusing, and in case anybody missed it.
That moron got banned? good riddance.
All said and risking being called a moron myself: the hell is IBS? googling it gives me a medical issue (unless they are a medical issue, who knows).
SJW Spiderman (does he have a page or is he linked in the CG thread?) tweeted out for people to report TUG's stream last night. While looking at the replies, an Anime Feminist affiliate judges someones taste in fandom. Hmm... gatekeeping much?
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Rude, Yamcha is endearingly pathetic.
Why is Funimation this petty? Why are they so determined to be reamed by Ty?
The easiest answer is that the people who conspired against Vic are still working there and angry that things aren't going well, ergo, petty revenges. Further proof of ill intent in my opinion.
 
The easiest answer is that the people who conspired against Vic are still working there and angry that things aren't going well, ergo, petty revenges. Further proof of ill intent in my opinion.
I say let them keep being petty and let them keep messing up in the most retarded way. #istandwithvic is counting on all this incompetence to make their case easier and so far most of pro Vic's victories have been because their opposition is so remarkably retarded, that they've been shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity. Had they been smart and not as retarded, they would have kept their mouths shut and realize that going through with their petty revenges is gonna cost them a lot of money and diginity.
 
Whatever happens, I for one think it's hilarious that a lawsuit might force Rial to marry her beta-cuck!

"I'll always remember the twinkle of the overhead fluorescent lighting in her eyes when she finally said those magical words: Yes, your honor."
You know whats funny, due to common law she can make it more pathetic since a Facebook married relationship status alone would make them officially married.
 
That moron got banned? good riddance.
All said and risking being called a moron myself: the hell is IBS? googling it gives me a medical issue (unless they are a medical issue, who knows).

Rude, Yamcha is endearingly pathetic.

The easiest answer is that the people who conspired against Vic are still working there and angry that things aren't going well, ergo, petty revenges. Further proof of ill intent in my opinion.

Their lack of self and situational awareness is phenomenal. If they'd just realize that things didn't go as planned and aren't going to do so, they could back off, try to play off of Vic's good nature, and go underground. Then later when Vic's popularity is flagging from their persistent whisper network and secret TI interfering with him being seen by fans, they could try again, better, and possibly succeed. But no, it's like they're legitimately running a script and hitting an error when Vic behaves in an unexpected manner and just...crashing and retrying over and over.
 
Their lack of self and situational awareness is phenomenal. If they'd just realize that things didn't go as planned and aren't going to do so, they could back off, try to play off of Vic's good nature, and go underground. Then later when Vic's popularity is flagging from their persistent whisper network and secret TI interfering with him being seen by fans, they could try again, better, and possibly succeed. But no, it's like they're legitimately running a script and hitting an error when Vic behaves in an unexpected manner and just...crashing and retrying over and over.
Backing off is not in their programming. Noticed how these types of people always double down even when it's actively against their best interests?
 
All said and risking being called a moron myself: the hell is IBS?

Internet Blood Sports. A fairly entertaining faucet of youtube where a handful of hosts brought on guests who would commonly yell at each other. Crumbled into dust in the last year, after the Wall Street Journal got one such IBS banned off youtube, another devolved into infighting, and then several of the hosts went full on insane.

Last high point, see Andy Vs. Tonka Boxing match.
 
You guys have to be careful with that since Texas still has common law marriage, and they already meet two prongs of the 3 prong test, all they have to do now is call each other husband and wife and at that moment they're legally married per Texas Law

One of the prongs, according to this site is they "agreed to be married". In my not a legal professional opinion, they're going out of their way to NOT be married, considering they're specifically engaged.

It's ridiculously easy to pay a few bucks to get a marriage license - in some places there's a blood test and few days waiting period (72 hours in Texas) - and then have a county clerk make it official. I could be wrong, but I'm of the impression that a competent lawyer could successfully argue they've put effort into avoiding marriage.
 
One of the prongs, according to this site is they "agreed to be married". In my not a legal professional opinion, they're going out of their way to NOT be married, considering they're specifically engaged.

It's ridiculously easy to pay a few bucks to get a marriage license - in some places there's a blood test and few days waiting period (72 hours in Texas) - and then have a county clerk make it official. I could be wrong, but I'm of the impression that a competent lawyer could successfully argue they've put effort into avoiding marriage.

But could a youtube lawyer with questionable makeup skills argue it?
 
One of the prongs, according to this site is they "agreed to be married". In my not a legal professional opinion, they're going out of their way to NOT be married, considering they're specifically engaged.

It's ridiculously easy to pay a few bucks to get a marriage license - in some places there's a blood test and few days waiting period (72 hours in Texas) - and then have a county clerk make it official. I could be wrong, but I'm of the impression that a competent lawyer could successfully argue they've put effort into avoiding marriage.
I don't even think you need to be a lawyer to clearly see that Monika is doing everything in her power to avoid marrying Soye. Even in the face of a lawsuit, she still refuses to tie the knot despite the fact that doing it could potentially save her from SOME things such as him forcefully testifying against her or producing evidence against her if the court orders him to.

Man that is pathetic.
 
I don't even think you need to be a lawyer to clearly see that Monika is doing everything in her power to avoid marrying Soye. Even in the face of a lawsuit, she still refuses to tie the knot despite the fact that doing it could potentially save her from SOME things such as him forcefully testifying against her or producing evidence against her if the court orders him to.

Man that is pathetic.

If she did something to protect herself in anticipation of a lawsuit she'd have to admit that her case isn't a slam dunk that will only hurt Vic. All she and Ron have to do to stop hurting themselves is to not tweet and they can't manage that for more than a weekend. You expect them to actually go and do something, like get a lawyer or married? Pfft.
 
If she did something to protect herself in anticipation of a lawsuit she'd have to admit that her case isn't a slam dunk that will only hurt Vic. All she and Ron have to do to stop hurting themselves is to not tweet and they can't manage that for more than a weekend. You expect them to actually go and do something, like get a lawyer or married? Pfft.
Oh dear me, you're right.

And I thought I was the dopey cunt here.
 
All said and risking being called a moron myself: the hell is IBS? googling it gives me a medical issue (unless they are a medical issue, who knows).

Internet Bloodsports, a shitty Jerry Springer-like Youtube phenomenon based on a pathetic imitation of 4chan culture and based on reading the Kiwi Farms threads out loud and getting their fans to run "gay ops" against certain targets to create drama for the ever increasing fuel for the fire. Also known as Kumate and a few other names. This includes showing up on other forums and trying to get people's attention just in case one of them might go to the IBS stream and give their lord and masters donations. Supremely annoying because they're like a spergy version of the Farms, swarming targets and poking them to try and get them to tell them to fuck off because being told to fuck off is totes drama be sure to smash that superchat button

Has kinda collapsed recently because it turns out when those types run out of drama to laugh at they turn on each other. Last I heard they were livestreaming Child Pornography as part of a "raid" on a CP discord, because live streaming that shit and bragging about downloading 35 gigs of illegal material, including making and sharing memes created out of pictures of chidlren being raped, etc is LOL TOP LULZ NOW LETS GO TO THOSE SUPERCHATS
 
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Internet Bloodsports, a shitty Jerry Springer-like Youtube phenomenon based on a pathetic imitation of 4chan culture and based on reading the Kiwi Farms threads out loud and getting their fans to run "gay ops" against certain targets to create drama for the ever increasing fuel for the fire. Also known as Kumate and a few other names. This includes showing up on other forums and trying to get people's attention just in case one of them might go to the IBS stream and give their lord and masters donations. Supremely annoying because they're like a spergy version of the Farms, swarming targets and poking them to try and get them to tell them to fuck off because being told to fuck off is totes drama be sure to smash that superchat button

Has kinda collapsed recently because it turns out when those types run out of drama to laugh at they turn on each other. Last I heard they were livestreaming Child Pornography as part of a "raid" on a CP discord, because live streaming that shit and bragging about downloading 35 gigs of illegal material, including making and sharing memes created out of pictures of chidlren being raped, etc is LOL TOP LULZ NOW LETS GO TO THOSE SUPERCHATS
Doesn't really encapsulate everything that IBS was.

But this can:
 
Since I'm seeing some people talk about the Rooster Teeth Shane letter stuff, I thought I'd give a quick overview of it from someone who's been in the RWBY fandom since before the letter broke. Apologies that this is a bit long.

The letter was written by Shane Newville, an apprentice animator to Monty. Shane didn't have a great childhood and animation became one of his methods of getting through the day, especially after being diagnosed with some mental health disorders. Shane met Monty and the two hit it off like wildfire, with Shane following Monty into Rooster Teeth when Monty was hired by them around Red vs Blue's 8th season. Shane, along with most of the animation team that worked on RVB's CG fights from season 8-10, left that team with Monty after he announced that he wanted to make his own original show, that being RWBY. Something worth noting about Shane is that he didn't so much like Monty as adore him- in the letter, Shane writes of Monty like a messiah and keeps taking shots at all the other animators for not coming close to Monty's conviction or talent and being unimportant to Monty's wider "vision."

Despite some promising early trailers (Shane worked on two of them, the Black and Yellow trailers), RWBY's first two seasons are seen as very clunky and flawed in a lot of areas- Volume 1 was made by about thirteen people and didn't even have enough budget to make background characters, so instead it relied on shadow people. The animation was very finnicky outside of the combat, which Monty made shine. What kept people interested in RWBY beyond the fights was a sense of genuine charm to it, between what was seen as very good character design and some interesting takes on fairytales for character inspiration, as such RWBY gained a very passionate fandom in the early days who were inspired to write fansongs, cosplay as the characters and even create costumes for their OCs- a character in-show, Neo, was inspired by Monty seeing a female cosplayer's take on the character Roman Torchwick.

Something I should note here- Monty adored working with Rooster Teeth and didn't regret it for a second, Shane's claims that Monty wanted to leave RT and take RWBY as a franchise with him have never been supported by an alternate source and I'm inclined to think he was lying or misconstrued something Monty said before his death.

Monty's death proved to be a disaster for Shane's mental health- as mentioned, he has a long history with mental health issues and after Monty died and the choice was made to keep RWBY going, Shane went overboard in trying to emulate Monty's machine-like work ethic of long nights. The problem was that Monty was one of a kind and trying to replicate his casual attitude of working through the night just wasn't possible, and Shane's marriage with his wife Katie fell apart soon after. The other big problem for Shane was that the software he and Monty were used to, Poser, was an old and outdated piece of shit software. All the new members of the crew had to be trained to use Poser and it made production a nightmare, especially when Volume 3 was set to push the tech to its absolute limits, causing frequent crashes. Poser proved such a problem that Volume 3's finale was only finished and ready to air hours before its airdate. Monty only used Poser for so long because it made animation rigging easier so he could reuse combat animation, and various Rooster Teeth employees have noted that it was a piece of shit tech that Monty made dance. As such, Rooster Teeth made the executive call that from Volume 4 onwards that the show would use Autodesk Maya, a more user-friendly software that's one of the standard bits of software animators are trained in and would cause less production issues than Poser.

Shane wasn't happy with this call, and saw the choice as a betrayal of Monty's work ethic (fun fact, Monty's literal last tweet before his death showed that he was getting practice in on Maya indicating that he was fine with the choice to shift). In fact, Shane saw anything that deviated from how Monty would have done it as a betrayal of his friend, even when it was done to make production easier in the long run. Be it having Monty's wife audition for a character like anyone else, cutting out plot beats that would have made no sense or would have been actively detrimental in the long run, Shane frequently butted heads with the writers and directors for going against "Monty's vision." As such, through the lens of Shane's mind, which was already falling apart due to his best friend dying and his wife leaving him, Shane saw the situation as him and Monty's wife being the true protectors of RWBY as a franchise and Rooster Teeth being the "soulless corporation" that was stealing Monty's vision and not sticking to the letter of the loose plans Monty had left lying around about where he wanted the show to go (ignoring that Monty himself was prone to just adding things during the show for the hell of it, including an entire magic system just because he thought it would be cool, and he brought Miles and Kerry in specifically because by Oum's own admission he was a terrible writer and wanted their help). Shane's complaints about the story omissions in particular feel like him being angry that Miles and Kerry engaged in the practice of... editing a script.

Eventually, Shane was let go from Rooster Teeth after Volume 3 wrapped, likely in part due to his own refusal to let the matter rest and his own inexperience with Maya. He wrote the big old letter alleging that RT were "defiling Monty's vision" or some such, and barring some cut content from Volume 3 that has since been leaked (such as Monty working on a fight between two characters when last year the animation for that test footage was leaked), nothing in Shane's letter has ever been verified except by ex-Rooster Teeth employees who already had a grudge to bear with the company, and even then some of those employees have since retracted their support.

Really the whole thing is more tragic than anyone else- Shane lost a very close friend who helped him get a dream job, his life fell apart shortly after and in his attempts to try and keep things as they were which was simply not possible after Monty's passing, he just alienated his own coworkers and wound up losing his job as a result. Likely everything in the letter is true... from the perspective of a man going through severe depression and jumping at shadows.

Either way, the fandom as a whole doesn't like to talk about the letter, especially since several Youtubers use the letter every chance they get to insult RT and claim that it's gospel (they're not even very good critics, anyone could write them under the table). One such imbecile, MuffinManDan, even went as far as to consider on Discord hacking Rooster Teeth's servers to find evidence that the letter's contents were true, which would have landed him with corporate espionage charges if he did. Ironic that Shane derided Rooster Teeth for, in his eyes, becoming opportunistic vultures about RWBY when people who claim to support Shane would themselves become vultures pecking at RT.

For the record, RT themselves have never officially responded to the letter save for one admin for the site that offered his own perspective on the letter. They have a tendency to just stick their heads in the sand whenever controversy flares up and it seems to work out for them.

tldr: Shane was going through some very rough times and the letter was his only outlet, but it shouldn't be taken as gospel about what really happened behind the scenes after Monty died, especially since Shane himself and Monty's wife don't like to to talk about it and BTS evidence indicates that Shane was getting angry over other people doing their jobs or streamlining a production timeline.

Oh BTW the whole thing of "Monty's wife killed him" is a completely exceptional conspiracy theory that even those aforementioned vultures have disavowed, this is basically the only site that believes it wholesale.
I both agree with some of your points here and disagree.

For instance MuffinManDan never said he wanted to hack Rooster Teeth dumbass, Dan made a whole video on the accusations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knZVmOpnLn8
Basically the SJW fans got angry at him for criticizing their lesbian show and took his words out of context Instead of just letting him leave the fandom. Sure he stired some shit with the fandom but he never said he was going to hack RT that's stupid.

Ok now that that's out of the way, as for where we agree.

Yeah Shane Newville defiantly worshiped Monty to some degree and the stress from Monty's death and any standing mental issues could have quite possibly led to his letter seeming or even being paranoid. I'm not going to say that the whole letter is true just that given what happened with the show in lieu of Monty's death definitely lend the letter merit, but doesn't validate it completely.

I also agree with the part about Monty's wife Sheena didn't kill him, just recklessly got a cat when he had allergies. That said Sheena was however a sociopathic cosplay thot, I'm sorry but when you run a gofundme for your dying husband then afterwards when he dies take the money and run off on vacation to England and comeback with a breast implants, you might just be a cosplay thot and maybe a sociopath, I don't believe she knew anything about the plot like Shane said she did, I think it's entierly possible she was lying to him to try to get a possition at RT, in fact getting into RT is quite possibly the Reason She was with Monty in the first place. You can read more about her here she has her own thread. Fair warning it's a bit exeptional with the whole "she killed Monty" theory.
 
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