Chris-Chan Arrested and in Jail, awaiting Hearing on Monday (28-Dec-2014)

[Mollybdenum]

I'm waiting for when it's revealed the prison's warden pays other inmates with privileges to babysit Chris.

 

[timtommy]

I hear you that the people involved in this case aren't going to pour over chris like we've done. He'll have mostly fresh people to give him sympathy. But:

• He's already hit someone with a car not even 5 years ago and they'll know that.
• Chris's appearance and behavior has degraded since last time he was in court, they'll see this.
• He has no lawyer to help him
• Last time all of this was barely enough to keep him out of trouble

This isn't a case about a an old man sleeping on private property where jail is a bed and a fine is most assuredly going to go unpaid.

I see what you are saying. Although your first two points could be construed as support for the claim that he needs help. Depending on the temperament of the judge and prosecutor, he might end up with much more strictly enforced counselling or mental health treatments, both for his own sake and the sake of the general public. And he won't have a high-paid lawyer like Rob Bell, but he will get a public defender. I assume that was your point, but it should be stated.

Finally, I would point out that there are some ways in which it is less serious than last time.
He doesn't have the personal history with the employee he maced that he did with Michael Snyder. A quick spray with a can of pepper spray would generally be considered less serious than purposely running into someone with a car. And finally, Snyder had injuries and medical expenses, whereas it does not look like the GameStop employee will have any.

But overall I agree that your reasons why he is worse off outweigh my reasons why he is not as bad off. I tend to think that those are arguments why he may face jail time. Or just much more strictly enforced conditions of "going free", like house-arrest, careful monitoring by probation officers, or extensive counselling. I really don't think those factors are great enough that he will spend years in prison. But time will tell.

 

[PCA]

In my opinion, I believe Chris will probably not get real jail time. He may get a few days to a week or so in jail or, he will probably just be sentenced to a mental hospital for a few weeks or so. Nothing longer than a year. I really hope he does get some real mental help this time and not just a slap on the wrist though. It may do him some good.

 

[SonChu's Oil Change]

Except all the old guy did was simply tresspass.

Well, it was at a church on Easter Sunday, but...

Chris not only tresspassed, but also tried to commit vandalism (even if he didn't damage anything as intended he'll still get hit with an attempted vandalism charge) and assaulted a random person by spraying them with harmful gasses before fleeing the scene of the crime. It was enough to get him tossed in jail on the spot once the cops found him. And from the sounds of it, he's making quite a scene behind bars.

The video confirms that Chris acted with full knowledge he was violating a ban placed on him AND refusing to follow directions by store proprietors.

The other bans are irrelevant, unless they call the B-Manajerk to testify there's no way that'd be admissible. You're right, the assault is a big deal here, but we have to wait until we know the charges to see if he has any wiggle room. My point is more that the court system in that city/county, like any other modest American metro area, is already too busy with drunks, drug addicts, wifebeaters, you name it... Chris is a soft case. The judge wants it out of his/her courtroom, and the DA, even with the video, will look at that stuff and his rap sheet, let the new guy handle it and not worry about the outcome. I think he'll serve some time as part of a plea arrangement, but probably because he'll be unable to pay any fines if he hires an attorney and/or pays a bondsman. The course most likely to get him off, and if I can play amateur public defender for a moment, would be to not make bail and take it to jury. omit the atismu during jury selection and hope you get a sympathetic white knight on the jury that'll gum up the works. The judge will dismiss this case with whatever the jury first hands him, believe that. Guilty, not guilty, hung jury. If guilty, ask for time already served in holding. Gone, on to the next DUI.

This is a huge deal to us, but the judge deals with despicable people all the time, and Chris doesn't rate.

 

[stack]

It's been said before, but even if he could elicit sympathy from a judge with his usual poor widdle awtistic routine, that might not keep him from avoiding a minimal sentence that requires jail time. Dude has got some serious priors that are going to get dragged back up.

 

[Deviljho]

I wonder if this is going to affect his Social Security, if he still receives it anyway.

 

[Friends of A-Log]

If fate truly turns against Chris by turning the "fucked" dial to 11, Chris isn't going to survive a year in real prison.

If he goes to prison he'll be in protective custody, probably. Not an expert but usually it's 23 hours in a cell by yourself and 1 hour of rec time. He won't be interacting with anybody. If he goes to prison.

 

[Kosher Dill]

the jury

There probably won't be a jury. Chris will be tried by a judge, just like he was last time, unless he specifically requests a jury (and this is only an option for felony charges - misdemeanors are never tried by jury in Virginia). And considering that LAWYERS ARE EXPENSIVE, he's probably not going to want to run up the billable hours with all that stuff.

 

[A-№1]

Didn't Chris manage to weasel out of his psych evaluation last time around? Somehow I suspect this time the judge will make it stick. I wouldn't be surprised if the arraignment tomorrow includes an order for a mandatory 72 hours observation and evaluation (assuming he isn't already under such right now).

I agree with the general consensus that Chris really needs to face some serious consequences this time around. For his own sake. The longer he gets off lightly and doesn't learn his lesson, the harsher it's going to be for him when his luck does run out (if it hasn't already). That being said, I'm not confident even a harsh sentence this one time will teach Chris his lesson this time around. Right now Chris firmly believes consequences are the result of "bad" behavior of manajerks and jerkops; he believes he gets punished solely because they are picking on him. Chris learns mostly through repetition, and a single round of consequences is probably not enough repetition to get him to make the connection between consequences and his own behavior, especially considering how many times he's gotten away scott free. Even if Chris never learns to recognize his behavior as bad, Chris needs to learn that it really is his bad behavior that will result in unpleasant consequences, or he will continue with such behaviors, and I'm not certain even a harsh one-time punishment will teach him to make that connection.

It's a lot like training a dog, actually. Consistency is the key, much more than severity. Inconsistent punishments for bad behaviors don't teach the dog that those behaviors are unacceptable. Rather they often teach the dog to be sneakier when behaving badly. Now a smart dog will usually only need a few iterations before they learn to behave properly, but by that standard just how smart is Chris?

If official consequences fails to teach Chris to behave himself, eventually he will act out somewhere that he suffers unofficial consequences, and that will only go badly for him.

The judge sees this as 1 more case that he/she wants OUT of the courtroom as fast as possible.

A lot depends on how indignantly determined Barb and Chris are to have their own way in the court, though. They won't have someone like Bell around to tell them when to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. Moreover if those two have one talent it's making a bad situation worse.

Edit: Don't know how I missed this.

Everyone in the trial: judge, jury, prosecutor, public defender, is going to have the goal of shuffling this case off the docket as quickly as possible.

Everyone in the trial EXCEPT Barb and Chris. They will be hell bound determined to prove themselves in the right, time and cost be damned. Their only saving grace, if it can be called that, is their lack of resources to draw things out this time around.

 

[SonChu's Oil Change]

Everyone in the trial: judge, jury, prosecutor, public defender, is going to have the goal of shuffling this case off the docket as quickly as possible.

Absolutely right, we've pretty much posted the same argument. This case does not appear to involve drugs, alcohol, or ambulance rides.

 

[waffle]

I'm a lawyer, I haven't read the whole thread, but I know that it's going to be a bunch of blind speculation. Here's the real shit:

-Chris can't get bailed out until after his arraignment.
-His bond will likely be between $1-5,000 but could be higher if the judge is a hard ass.
-The fact that he's getting video arraigned means he's probably up on state charges and not municipal charges. This means it's probably a more serious charge and could be a felony but is likely a high grade misdemeanor.
-Chris is likely on the track for a public defender, depending on the charges.
-Unless he fucks up real bad or just refuses to get a lawyer he will get probation and/or a fine.
-Jail time is not likely, but not out of the question. If he gets it it will almost certainly be 120 days or less.
-If Chris goes into jail it will be unlikely he ever gets out because he will keep doing shit to get more time. If he's lucky they'll put them in segregation or similar so he can stop getting new charges.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I think alot of folks are being too optimistic here

IF Chris goes to prison he wont get special treatment, he will be in general pop. If he 'tards out he will get hurt, not gentle hurt but punched kicked and beat. Neither the guards nor inmates will treat him well and Chris sure as hell wont endear himself to anyone so that they'd help him.

If he goes to jail his life is over, he will not survive for more then a few months, in reality Chris is nothing more then a big stupid, really stupid kid. His only hope is a sympathetic judge who sends him to get the help he needs.

I know I've hated on Fatty for years because of his behavior but he's a man-child and jail will kill him.

 

[Ryan Rash]

A thought has just crossed my mind: should this go to trial, would the defense dig up the CWCki and try to argue insanity and incompetence on Chris's part as a result of over a half-decade's worth of cyberbullying?

 

[SonChu's Oil Change]

I'm a lawyer, I haven't read the whole thread, but I know that it's going to be a bunch of blind speculation.

Do you agree with my blind speculation that the judge wants this shit out of his/her courtroom ASAP and will go with whatever the jury returns first?

 

[Friends of A-Log]

I'm a lawyer, I haven't read the whole thread, but I know that it's going to be a bunch of blind speculation. Here's the real shit:

-Chris can't get bailed out until after his arraignment.
-His bond will likely be between $1-5,000 but could be higher if the judge is a hard ass.
-The fact that he's getting video arraigned means he's probably up on state charges and not municipal charges. This means it's probably a more serious charge and could be a felony but is likely a high grade misdemeanor.
-Chris is likely on the track for a public defender, depending on the charges.
-Unless he fucks up real bad or just refuses to get a lawyer he will get probation and/or a fine.
-Jail time is not likely, but not out of the question. If he gets it it will almost certainly be 120 days or less.
-If Chris goes into jail it will be unlikely he ever gets out because he will keep doing shit to get more time. If he's lucky they'll put them in segregation or similar so he can stop getting new charges.

Is getting institutionalized an option as well?

 

[Atlas 95]

Didn't Chris manage to weasel out of his psych evaluation last time around?

He went all right but it was just an evaluation to check if Chris was a danger to himself or others, nothing intensive. And to be fair to the evaluator until this week they were right

mandatory 72 hours observation and evaluation (assuming he isn't already under such right now)

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Chris's behavior during his stay in jail plays heavily into the judges decision, but what Chris really needs is a few days of observation by a trained psychologist followed by some kind of treatment Chris is forced to attend

 

[Bobby Boulders]

A thought has just crossed my mind: should this go to trial, would the defense dig up the CWCki and try to argue insanity and incompetence on Chris's part as a result of over a half-decade's worth of cyberbullying?

The 'legality' of the CWCki gets brought up all the time, and in a nutshell, there's not much that can be done, considering 99.9% of the information and multimedia (pictures, videos, e-mails, etc.) have been released by Chris himself at some point earlier.

 

[Deviljho]

A thought has just crossed my mind: should this go to trial, would the defense dig up the CWCki and try to argue insanity and incompetence on Chris's part as a result of over a half-decade's worth of cyberbullying?

pretty sure they wouldn't need the CWCki to try and prove that.

Chris kinda leaves the evidence hinself, if anything I'm sure his Facebook page would be investigated

 

[Kosher Dill]

A thought has just crossed my mind: should this go to trial, would the defense dig up the CWCki and try to argue insanity and incompetence on Chris's part as a result of over a half-decade's worth of cyberbullying?

Nope. The bar is really high for proving insanity. You pretty much have to be completely, rabidly insane and disconnected from reality to get off on an insanity plea - and then it's off to a mental institution forever or until you're cured. It's not a get-out-of-jail-free card.

 

[Katolate]

If Chris pleads insanity, shouldn't he get his driving license revoked on the spot?