Is Nintendo the only console maker that still likes money?

Marissa Moira said:
The PS5 is going to retail for 400 bucks which is within the same price range as the Switch and Xbox One.
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Yeah I sincerely doubt that. The thing sounds too expensive for a mere 400USD.
 
vertexwindi said:
Yeah I sincerely doubt that. The thing sounds too expensive for a mere 400USD.
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As of current it's looking like it's gonna be true.

Granted nothing is set in stone yet but everything about the PS5 from the rumors is being solidified or proven to exist.
 
If this was just 4chan I'd call OP a tard, especially since a quick browse shows that every other reply has also been about cataloging the bullshit but, since this is Kiwifarms...

A lot of your info is wrong. Playstation makes a lot of money for Sony, I don't know how much they lose per console but they more than make it back up in game sales. Playstation is actually Sony's strongest brand/division right now, providing that Insurance didn't turn itself around in the past few years. Its not hurting for money, it pays for the fuck ups that come out of the TV/electronics and film divisions. "As they lay dieing"!? Are you fucking nuts? This generation was dominated by them. You have to have been living in a box to not have known this. They won every market that isn't the US/Canada and by significant margins. And the only reason Microsoft was able to hold onto North America was because of the discounts they offered, which were much deeper than the Sony ones.

The disc-less Xbox is a revision of the Xbox One, and if successful they will probably have a version of the next system with it too. But its not the only one, the default version still has a disc drive, the default version of the next gen system will also still have a disc drive. They did so bad a job from 2009 to 2015 that they are still in rebuilding mode, but they have marked Xbox, once again, as something worth pouring money into so they'll have at least a few good years before we go back into Kinnect mode.

Google is as you described it. I bet it gets little market penetration, most of the money is pulled after a year and a half and then its quietly cancelled in three years with the common reaction being "it still existed?"

Atari is not worth discussing. Same with the "Coleco Chameleon" and any other Ouya-clone. Come to think of it, you can bet your house that the Atari thing will not be released with the announced specs, turns out that they just threw out random numbers without doing any math.

As to Nintendo, microSD cards are actually dirt cheap, not sure how they stack up to blu-ray discs but the costs are similar. Switch is doing well, it really did a good job of riding its big games. I don't know how much they make per Switch sale but their first party games have been doing a good job of making their budgets back. I am trying to think of flops and even the "bad" ones like Arms and 1 2 Switch did good enough in sales. Possibly Labo has made a loss so far? Good thing they didn't blow a billion dollars paying mocap actors or any of the other bullshit you would associate with massive triple A gaming flops.
 
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Marissa Moira said:
As of current it's looking like it's gonna be true.

Granted nothing is set in stone yet but everyone about the PS5 from the rumors is being solidified or proven to exist.
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I've heard rumors it'll be more like $500 though. Seems like a much more feasible price to me, especially considering how cocky Sony can get.
 
Actually 1-2 Switch used mocap actors.
vertexwindi said:
I've heard rumors it'll be more like $500 though. Seems like a much more feasible price to me, especially considering how cocky Sony can get.
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I dunno if they're being cocky about it. If the Exclusive Crossgen titles with PS5 enhancements and backwards Compatibility prove to be true, they price it cheap enough so PS4 owners feel more comfortable to upgrade right away to the PS5. Like yeah you can get the biggest titles right now but if you have a PS5 that's the only way to get the best possible performance and such out of your game.

Especially if stuff like Final Fantasy 7 Remake or Death Stranding is a launch title
 
Marissa Moira said:
Xillia had shit like Nhera Khera, all the major cities, Temples, and harbors be pretty vibrant. You had a wide variety of places to explore in both Xillia 1 and 2. Berseria and Zestiria also had many vibrant places.
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The issue is that Tales of very rarely was memorable to me, I vaguely remembered the first city you posted from Xillia 1 before you posted a screenshot and the rest I blanked on for a little while, if you didn't show me the characters I likely wouldn't even know which Tales of it was from except purely by the graphical differences. The ones from Zestiria and Berseria don't really look any different, though that minimap in the Berseria screenshot looks kind of cool because it is shaped like something that might be relevant to the world of Berseria. Personally, I think you need more than color and graphics to make a world vibrant, and more importantly rememberable after you're done with the game. Just because it isn't grey or brown doesn't mean it can't be forgettable, and I think is more important than just calling a world colorful, vibrant, or whatever word we want to use.
 
Marissa Moira said:
I dunno if they're being cocky about it. If the Exclusive Crossgen titles with PS5 enhancements and backwards Compatibility prove to be true, they price it cheap enough so PS4 owners feel more comfortable to upgrade right away to the PS5. Like yeah you can get the biggest titles right now but if you have a PS5 that's the only way to get the best possible performance and such out of your game.

Especially if stuff like Final Fantasy 7 Remake or Death Stranding is a launch title
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I meant more like what a cocky, arrogant company Sony is in general. If it proves to be only $400 a console they'd better have some really good exclusives to make up the difference in software sales.
 
Marissa Moira said:
Actually 1-2 Switch used mocap actors.
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Did they hook them up to the cows? Is that how the milking was so realistic? Regardless, the point was that they surely did it in a financially reasonable way, as opposed to building a whole mocap film studio with giant sets for it, like Microsoft did on that Peter Molyneux Kinnect game that never got released. Because of that, 1 2 Switch can do its 1 to 1.5 million in sales and still pay for itself.


edit: For what its worth, I was shocked when this generation was as immediately successful as it was. It was loaded, early on, with re-releases/dual releases and awful forced multiplayer games that didn't catch on. And yet people still snapped them up (well, the Playstation up,) as quick as could be. And the mid-gen upgrades that came out two years ago? I thought those things would be dead in the water, like the DSi, PSPgo, Vita TV, New 3DS, etc. And yet here we are, in a world where both of them managed to sell well, taking a significant portion of new sales, despite having zero exclusive games. At this point I am convinced that any hardware upgrade will sell.
 
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vertexwindi said:
I meant more like what a cocky, arrogant company Sony is in general. If it proves to be only $400 a console they'd better have some really good exclusives to make up the difference in software sales.
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Sony has never had a problem really providing games. That's always been their strongpoint is that there's always games. Even though some may get ported to PC like Final Fantasy, the main fanbase primarily for Final Fantasy is on playstation first and foremost.
 
Lou Wrong said:
A lot of your info is wrong. Playstation makes a lot of money for Sony, I don't know how much they lose per console but they more than make it back up in game sales. Playstation is actually Sony's strongest brand/division right now, providing that Insurance didn't turn itself around in the past few years. Its not hurting for money, it pays for the fuck ups that come out of the TV/electronics and film divisions. "As they lay dieing"‽ Are you fucking nuts? This generation was dominated by them. You have to have been living in a box to not have known this. They won every market that isn't the US/Canada and by significant margins. And the only reason Microsoft was able to hold onto North America was because of the discounts they offered, which were much deeper than the Sony ones.
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I already said that the games made them money, nignog
 
Marissa Moira said:
Sony makes a shitload on software sales, digital downloads, and Online Memberships. They design hardware the best out of the three main console companies and intend to sell it for a loss so they retain their market dominance. The PS5 is going to retail for 400 bucks which is within the same price range as the Switch and Xbox One. A Full Fledged Next Gen system for only a few bucks more than a portable tablet sounds like a good deal to many. Sony also really buffed their first party games in terms of prominence. God of War went from a mid range series that people liked, to a top shelf big name that MANY MANY people really liked. Spiderman appealed to a ton of people, and Horizon did very well for a whole new franchise based on nothing preexisting.
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That verge article makes it sound like the ps5 is gonna be another $600 monstrosity.

Zeke Von Genbu said:
Game consoles always lose money on sales because these companies want an install base to make software sales relevant, so Sony's issues aren't anything unusual, though if Sony's other divisions don't implode in on themselves is another story. Nintendo is relevant purely because the Switch is a unique console, compared to everything else, with the portable/home console hybrid feel. Even if as a home console it isn't really worth talking about the portable mode is pretty consistently good (or at least tolerable) on most titles that I've played at least and the fact it has a home console or portable mode at all is a unique aspect that actually matters to some people unlike motion gimmicks or massive tablet controls.

I honestly want Nintendo to keep the Switch and expand upon it for at least another console generation, but knowing Nintendo that won't happen and we'll get some janky VR thing with a pair of Wii motes or something.
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Consoles havent been sold at a loss for quite a while. Next gen may change that tho
 
Zeke Von Genbu said:
Game consoles always lose money on sales because these companies want an install base to make software sales relevant, so Sony's issues aren't anything unusual, though if Sony's other divisions don't implode in on themselves is another story. Nintendo is relevant purely because the Switch is a unique console, compared to everything else, with the portable/home console hybrid feel. Even if as a home console it isn't really worth talking about the portable mode is pretty consistently good (or at least tolerable) on most titles that I've played at least and the fact it has a home console or portable mode at all is a unique aspect that actually matters to some people unlike motion gimmicks or massive tablet controls.

I honestly want Nintendo to keep the Switch and expand upon it for at least another console generation, but knowing Nintendo that won't happen and we'll get some janky VR thing with a pair of Wii motes or something.
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Yep. That's called a loss leader. And between software sales and additional products and services they are typically able to make a pretty tidy profit.
 
DragoonSierra said:
That verge article makes it sound like the ps5 is gonna be another $600 monstrosity.
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I highly doubt they're gonna do $600 bucks. That 600 dollar price tag for the PS3 was entirely Japan's idea. What rescued the PS3 was Sony's American branch and they've had control over playstation ever since. PS3's botched launch was entirely japan's fault because after the PS2 was left to grow under the supervision of the American branch the Japanese branch pulled a Nintendo before the PS3 launched and said "all playstation shit now must be done with Japanese approval". Once they fucked it up they then gave the American branch control because they said they could rescue it.

Prior to the PS3, Playstations 1 and 2 were very different in both japan and America IIRC. They were both fairly autonomous and kept to themselves like they were two different companies.
I dunno how well known this is, but Japanese business practices covet high priced items because they feel it gives it superiority. So more expensive=better and having something go on sale is bad because they can't get full price. They didn't consider that Americans don't think that way.
 
Lou Wrong said:
Did they hook them up to the cows? Is that how the jerking off was so realistic? Regardless, the point was that they surely did it in a financially reasonable way, as opposed to building a whole mocap film studio with giant sets for it, like Microsoft did on that Peter Molyneux Kinnect game that never got released. Because of that, 1 2 Switch can do its 1 to 1.5 million in sales and still pay for itself.


edit: For what its worth, I was shocked when this generation was as immediately successful as it was. It was loaded, early on, with re-releases/dual releases and awful forced multiplayer games that didn't catch on. And yet people still snapped them up (well, the Playstation up,) as quick as could be. And the mid-gen upgrades that came out two years ago? I thought those things would be dead in the water, like the DSi, PSPgo, Vita TV, New 3DS, etc. And yet here we are, in a world where both of them managed to sell well, taking a significant portion of new sales, despite having zero exclusive games. At this point I am convinced that any hardware upgrade will sell.
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Funny you bring that up because I do distinctly remember, wanna say it was well into two years after the drop of this gens consoles how people were still bitching about how they didn't get a previous gen version of say that lotr game or a watered down version of Black Ops 3. Two motherloving years for systems built to attempt the capabilities of high end gaming pcs from 2004 now that's a testament, also it's a testament to the consumer bases for making themselves out to be a bunch of old people yelling at clouds.
 
See that I forgot about, it's been so long that hearing about it just now made me think "oh yeah that's still a thing isn't it?"
 
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