Snowflake shoe0nhead / June Lapine / June La Porta & Armoured Skeptic / Gregory "Greg" Fluhrer - A poor man's Boxxy: rejected by Vaush, disowned by /pol/ for burning coal, sleeps in a dog's bed surrounded by trash, and her ex-boyfriend.

[Francis Dollarhyde]

OT, but it's France... come on. A Jihadist could have showed up on tv saying "I'm gonan do it!" and then stream himself doing it, and the government would still be saying "it was an accident!".

This is the thing with Preg and his Skepticism™, it's not just saying "hah! I don't believe that!", but offer a different explanation. I'm sure there is enough evidence that can show how the French government are tres cuck and have denied things before. I know that's not absolute conclussive evidence, btu it helps the case.

Well you know what the French politician said. Something about a developed country needing to accept terrorist attacks because they belong to the daily life. It just come with living in a European 1st world country, there will be isolated allah ackbar incidents that totally are not related to the religion of peace (though the actual word is subjugation) at all ever.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Not defending Greg, but what he claims is entirely possible. It's odd they've already ruled out this fire as an "accident" without having the investigation first.

What's with progressives labeling every single politically incorrect hypothesis as "conspiracy theory"? Technically, every theory is a conspiracy theory until is either proven or disproven.

It's fucking Notre Dame, and in Europe of all things. We've got actual history and landmarks worth putting tinfoil hats and politics aside to protect, hence why rich people personally donated. It happened during construction; it's gonna get rebuilt no matter what. Why would they not rule it as an accident? What would reclassifying it as terrorism even accomplish? It's up again in 5 years, and for whatever reason, we haven't really seen any major attacks on religious or cultural landmarks. It'd be so easy to blow up parts of the Statue of Liberty, yet instead someone drives a bus into a group of people.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Why would they not rule it as an accident?

Because you don't come to a conclussion before the investigation.

 

[BlancoMailo]

Well you know what the French politician said. Something about a developed country needing to accept terrorist attacks because they belong to the daily life. It just come with living in a European 1st world country, there will be isolated allah ackbar incidents that totally are not related to the religion of peace (though the actual word is subjugation) at all ever.

That was London Mayor Sadiq Khan - "part and parcel of living in a big city"

 

[Tasty Tatty]

To be back on topic:

This is what Greg said: "There is literally an organization dedicated to erasing history around the world, and a church gets hit in France almost every week - yet any discussion entertaining this possibility is being shut down by the mainstream as "Conspiracy Theory." Stop treating us like we're stupid. "

There is literally an organization dedicated to erasing history around the world

This is truth. ISIS has been around destroying important monuments and the cultural heritage of the region.

a church gets hit in France almost every week

Partially correct. This ain't wrong, but I've read others religious buildings have been attacked, such as mosques and synagogues. It could be related to the same attacks and be caused by people who don't like religion or could be just different groups attacking each other. This is why investigations should be done: to verify if there is a link between all of these attacks. Because, come on, France is having a problem against their religious people.

yet any discussion entertaining this possibility is being shut down by the mainstream as "Conspiracy Theory."

He's not wrong here because, as the official statement has been "it was an accident!" without any further space to discuss it, then people who (with all reason) aren't buying it are simply called "conspiracy theory" because it goes against the narrative.

For all we can dislike Greg, I think he's on point here.

I got frustrated seeing people discussing the possibility of arson getting painted as crazy, when anyone who has been following France the last few years would naturally consider the possibility. I wasn't wrong for defending them.

Right again. IICR, the Yellow Vests burned a museum (or was it a gallery?) some time ago. We can't rule them either. He mentions them in a tweet too and he'd be correct on considering suspects.

Thing is, you cannot just say "well, this was an accident" and then investigate. You cannot give a conclussion before an investigation is done. The right thing to say would be "we are certain this is an accident, the investigation will probably agree". France is already saying it's an accident. How can they know unless they have actual evidence (film? pics?) and they are chosen to keep it private for some reason and people have the right to ask why.

 

[JustStopDude]

I think many people here would find interesting is to read up on France and Algeria's history. The FFL, pied noirs, and the far right did not wish to give up what they considered part of France.

Pretty messy and intense. A lot of terrorist acts and assassinations of French people by French. The Battle of Algiers is a very good movie if you can find a copy.

Its rather normal for French people today to not jump to conclusions about attacks because during the conflict, many attacks like this to blame Islamic groups were done by French groups.

The same is true in Italy, where during the 60's and the 70's many supposed leftist groups were actually fronts for government groups to sow rage to encourage government support.

 

[Francis Dollarhyde]

I think many people here would find interesting is to read up on France and Algeria's history. The FFL, pied noirs, and the far right did not wish to give up what they considered part of France.

Pretty messy and intense. A lot of terrorist acts and assassinations of French people by French. The Battle of Algiers is a very good movie if you can find a copy.

Its rather normal for French people today to not jump to conclusions about attacks because during the conflict, many attacks like this to blame Islamic groups were done by French groups.

The same is true in Italy, where during the 60's and the 70's many supposed leftist groups were actually fronts for government groups to sow rage to encourage government support.

True. Was engaged to an Algerian that claimed to be pied-noir (she refused to speak or even acknowledge to understand Arab, French all the way). Though every Algerian speaks French and Arab, about 30% (or thereabouts) of the Algerians speak French at home and are said to look down upon the Arab speaking ones, and they see the French speaking ones as obnoxious and pretentious.

Algeria is messy to this day, however those false flags are from long ago, we are almost 2020's now. With terrorism in Europe more prevalent than ever before, I bet at least 90% of those churches hit are muslims doing it.

 

[JustStopDude]

Algeria is messy to this day, however those false flags are from long ago, we are almost 2020's now. With terrorism in Europe more prevalent than ever before, I bet at least 90% of those churches hit are muslims doing it

Not a fan of Norwegian Death Metal?

 

[StarkRavingMad]

While I do agree that this whole thing about Notre Dame was written of as an accident FAR too soon, I also think that Greg keeps putting his foot in his mouth.

He could have easily just said, "Already labeled as an accident with no investigation? That was quick ..." and left it at that.

 

[Anonymous For This]

Spoiler: Mild Powerlevel.

I used to work directly with fire investigations years ago. I kinda found it odd that the structure was still fully involved and they were already saying it was an accident. I would assume they had someone on scene who fessed to fucking up somehow, but why not just come out and say a construction worker fessed to the error to stop conspiracies? Even then, you normally wouldn't say shit until you knew for certain.

I honestly know fuck all about fire behavior in a fucking cathedral, but it FEELS to me that there must have been some sort of significant fuel source to get the oak structure fully involved. I assume those oak timbers must have been massive and shouldn't have been easy to ignite. They're saying it started as an electrical fire now. I would be curious to know if there were flammable contents up there in the attic or if the insulation was circa 1800s and not fire resistant.

I'm not about ready to say ISIS burned this shit down, or that it was even arson, but it was an interesting fire. When the fire marshal equivalent in France comes back with their report in another month or two, it will at least be an interesting read one way or the other.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

I've seen old churches described as being particularly high-risk because of the age and amount of wood, and if it's been well-maintained (prevented from exposure to air/weather), it's beyond tinder dry and often riddled with woodworm/other types of flaking damage which allows for kindling and better penetration vs. a modern wooden beam in a home which will be both very solid and retained some moisture from its environment. The roof of these buildings gets engulfed immediately and then it's just a question of how to prevent it from destroying the structure - York Minster required a demolition of the roof to stop the fire. From what I recall of that church, the fire was also caused by an electrical fault.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

Some selfie from Juwune's Insta story:

(Contra)ShillOnHead strikes again

 

[MediocreMilt]

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is bernie going to stop dead in his campaign to be onthe rubin report lol

Naw, but he may drop dead of old age on his campaign, ShuWu.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Shoe and Contrapoints actually believe they're as "famous" as Rubin.

We can dislike them all we want, but that's not true. He's like many leagues above them.

 

[ThisIsTheEndMyFriend]

Shoe and Contrapoints actually believe they're as "famous" as Rubin.

We can dislike them all we want, but that's not true. He's like many leagues above them.

why the heck does Dave Rubin get a free pass around here? The guy is a massive joke and a waste of space. After his lackluster performance on /r/classical_liberals awhile back where he basically ducked and didn't answer questions because they were inconvenient, I've begun to consider him a hack. The IDW doesn't need his dumbass in their ranks.

He's also too chicken shit to actually put the likes of Sam Seder, Contrapoints, and others on his show, because he probably finds them to be a threat. His excuse is that they aren't famous or followed enough. Meanwhile, Roaming Millennial, a guest Rubin has had on his show, has way less followers than either of those guys and he has no issue having her on anyway. He cherry picks, aims ludicrously high on the left wing guest wish list, then wonders why nobody on the left wants to be on his program. Lauren tries in vain to convince Dave to do any of this...

I'm actually shocked he doesn't have a lolcow thread by now. He's a useful idiot for his handlers.

 

[MediocreMilt]

The IDW doesn't need his dumbass in their ranks.

 

[No Face]

damn it doesn't get more transparent than this folx

 

[Tasty Tatty]

why the heck does Dave Rubin get a free pass around here? The guy is a massive joke and a waste of space. After his lackluster performance on /r/classical_liberals awhile back where he basically ducked and didn't answer questions because they were inconvenient, I've begun to consider him a hack. The IDW doesn't need his dumbass in their ranks.

He's also too chicken shit to actually put the likes of Sam Seder, Contrapoints, and others on his show, because he probably finds them to be a threat. His excuse is that they aren't famous or followed enough. Meanwhile, Roaming Millennial, a guest Rubin has had on his show, has way less followers than either of those guys and he has no issue having her on anyway. He cherry picks, aims ludicrously high on the left wing guest wish list, then wonders why nobody on the left wants to be on his program. Lauren tries in vain to convince Dave to do any of this...

I'm actually shocked he doesn't have a lolcow thread by now. He's a useful idiot for his handlers.

Ah, yes... Lauren Chen... the girl whose opinions are whatever anyone said before her.

If these people dislike Rubin so much, why do they want to be in his show?

 

[ThisIsTheEndMyFriend]

Ah, yes... Lauren Chen... the girl whose opinions are whatever somebody said before her.

If these people dislike Rubin so much, why do they want to be in his show?

Wait what? They probably dislike his style and format, plus the fact they think he's a sellout for cash pawn and want to challenge him on it.

I realize the kiwifarms hivemind will disagree, but can't people see the obvious and realize Dave came to his views because of payola and not via legitimate means?

I actually liked Dave in the early OraTV days when he didn't make his agenda so obnoxiously obvious. He isn't here to share ideas. He's here to pander to the right.

And for the record, I'm no real fan of Contrapoints or Sam Seder (I really don't find their politics to be correct by any stretch). I just would like Dave to practice what he preaches and stop being a coward. Plus, he gives libertarians and the classical liberals a bad name by being such an intellectual lightweight.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

Wait what? They probably dislike his style and format, plus the fact they think he's a sellout for cash pawn and want to challenge him on it.

I realize the kiwifarms hivemind will disagree, but can't people see the obvious and realize Dave came to his views because of payola and not via legitimate means?

I actually liked Dave in the early OraTV days when he didn't make his agenda so obnoxiously obvious. He isn't here to share ideas. He's here to pander to the right.

And for the record, I'm no real fan of Contrapoints or Sam Seder (I really don't find their politics to be correct by any stretch). I just would like Dave to practice what he preaches and stop being a coward. Plus, he gives libertarians and the classical liberals a bad name by being such an intellectual lightweight.

Nyk/Contra is an attention seeking troon who has been begging to be on the Rupin Report for over two years (amongst other things, you should read his thread), Shoe0nhead is an attention seeking neckbeard panderer who used to shill for Dave Rubin but now tries to shill hard for Contra as part of her new shtick, both of them think they're hot shit and have as much influence as him. That's why it's fun. It's not a matter of liking Dave or not.