Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

Okay. It should live and die with the outcome of Vic's case. Or, at least, after a brief celebration and a few victory laps.

The only ones who will cling to it is KickVic, who will try to 9/11 it for years to come. Never forget, fellow kids.
You have to separate the actors in this and the audience. Those people in the audience trying to use the current popularity of these streams to pimp their own brand is a problem. It's like any other instance, these people should be starting off building off their own talent, but instead they want to capitalize off a movement for insta-success. Then the people who are e-begging with their own go fund me's in chat, most of those people are likely able to make it on their own but are trying to capitalize off the generosity of Istandwithvic donators to get free Gibs.

These people in the audience who are jumping up to get involved like they are will be a problem. At some point they need to put their foot down and just flat out say "we won't read your super chats if you are trying to self promote or e-beg". Vic's case is an entirely separate entity to the social movement that is going on in this thread, on twitter, facebook, youtube, etc. Vic's case can be won and the #Istandwithvic movement still die. The movement itself already has infighting, Nick Rekeita has already had to have a stream where he addressed the infighting and criticism, they claimed to talk to "former GG" people who are advising them on what not to do yet they are heading down that course, they have absolute brainlets like TUG and Yellow Flash as bigger members of their social movement, you have a weird double standard from the entire pro-vic group where they really support KiwiFarms but hate doxing and more stuff.

I think anybody who is giving this movement that much optimism and deference is emotionally compromised but either some like of the characters in the pro-vic side or Vic himself and are choosing to ignore things. Once again separating the court case itself from this social movement. ( I honestly should have to reiterate this point a second time, but someone will pop up with some stupid argument if i do not)
 
Many have tried that, and failed. They would have to have "sufficient business contacts" with the State of Texas. A brick and mortar location. A con. A member of the staff who lives in Texas. Something like that.
Some of the sources for the article live in Texas, which I'd argue means that ANN purposely availed itself to resources in the state of Texas.

Voice actors in Texas (who may or may not have been sources) probably shared links to the article after it was published. If the ANN writer asked voice actors in Texas to tweet the link to help publicize the article, I'd call that an effort to market the article in the state of Texas. I don't have proof of it, but it seems plausible, given the level of involvement that the VAs had with the mission to ruin Vic.
 
I'm calling it now that the entire "I Stand with Vic" movement is heading to the fate of GamerGate within 1-2 years. Yellow Flash is on stream now talking with some random asshat about a guy trying to grift money off the movement while complaining about other people grifting off the movement. Every stream Rekeita does now has someone trying to super chat about their own personal go fund me for their: "friendwhoistotallynotthemwhoneedsmoneybecauseimightlosemyhouse" or people trying to pimp their shitty youtube channel. Rekeita's unrelenting ignorance of talking to people who claim to know about GG who don't and not listening to better reason will start to tank this whole ship quickly. At some point it will spin out of control and Rekeita will be forced to remove his association with it out of fear of tanking his own brand he built to be the Metokur of the movement while TUG and Yellow flash continue on to the Ethan Ralph and Sargon paths after the movement implodes.

Thankfully the case in court will most likely be unaffected by all of this, but the current litany of orbiters around this will accelerate this into something stupid. This has the potential to derail Rekeita's grand schemes of this being a movement that supports other people falsely accused of fake sexual harassment.

Good luck to the Exceptionals. May they live long and prosper.

This is not the case.

Ignoring for the moment that literally every fucking incident of e-drama for the last few decades has had assholes trying to exploit it financially or socially on every side, the two shitstorms are fundamentally incomparable. There's not 24/7 journalistic fluffpieces on behalf of KickVic; the beard is using one of the only such articles as evidence in its suit. KickVic isn't operating with the dedicated cooperation and and support of multiple social media platforms, doesn't have the backing of the mainstream press, and popular opinion is already well, well against them, with more on KickVic's own side abandoning the cause every day. They're fucked.

I could get into the minutia of how your analogies regarding various E-Autists involved in GG compare to certain personalities in the Weeb Wars don't really work, but for the sake of brevity and due to the fact I've said them all in like 400 other threads, I won't. Nick has zero interest in outside e-drama beyond the case and maybe some tangential happenings, and pretty much everyone knows TUG and YellowFlash are fucking speds. Potentially useful speds, but speds nonetheless.
 
At some point they need to put their foot down and just flat out say "we won't read your super chats if you are trying to self promote or e-beg". Vic's case is an entirely separate entity to the social movement that is going on in this thread, on twitter, facebook, youtube, etc. Vic's case can be won and the #Istandwithvic movement still die.


They should put their foot down and just flat out refund all the GFM money donated by people who don't really give a damn about the fate of Vic Mignogna as an individual, but rather donated to take a stand against #metoo, listen and believe, and Twitter mob justice. I think that's a splendid idea.
 
They should put their foot down and just flat out refund all the GFM money donated by people who don't really give a damn about the fate of Vic Mignogna as an individual, but rather donated to take a stand against #metoo, listen and believe, and Twitter mob justice. I think that's a splendid idea.
Your an extra special kind of tard aren't you. Welcome to the Farms newfren. I'm really glad you are here lol
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What's wrong with people using superchats to promote themselves? It's literally what any advertising service does; paying someone to say words on your behalf. If Istandwithvic donators want to support their gofundmes and e-begging attempts, that's their problem, not ours. And who promotes what is also the channel's problem, not ours.
I'm not going to post again to argue with you. Best you will get is this edit.

It's distracting from the main point, it's shady as fuck, people don't like it, they don't come to get updates on Vic's case to hear about someone's shitty youtube channel or your sad sap story about "i can't pay muh bills and need help this week". Stupid stuff like this will derail it. You already have a group who actively want to split off into their own faction of Anime Gate because they are upset about some of the stuff going on. Nick Rekeita's State of StandwithVic stream was basically him saying he talked to un-named people and he will just let it be how it is, but he wants people to behave themselves when reaching out to cons, but he doesn't want to police speech, but doxing isn't cool man, but kiwifarms are great guys who are known for doxing, etc etc.

It's an absolute shit show in the making and the first hearing hasn't even been had in court. If everybody treated this at this stage like any other case that Rekeita covers it would just be something to check in on. Instead everybody is getting invested in this to an emotional level and clouding their judgement.

Good thing we got these people who just joined 1-2 months ago on Kiwi who are upset that anybody thinks ill of this whole thing. I would ask you to try to think a little more impartially, but I don't think you are able.
 
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You have to separate the actors in this and the audience. Those people in the audience trying to use the current popularity of these streams to pimp their own brand is a problem. It's like any other instance, these people should be starting off building off their own talent, but instead they want to capitalize off a movement for insta-success. Then the people who are e-begging with their own go fund me's in chat, most of those people are likely able to make it on their own but are trying to capitalize off the generosity of Istandwithvic donators to get free Gibs.

What's wrong with people using superchats to promote themselves? It's literally what any advertising service does; paying someone to say words on your behalf. If Istandwithvic donators want to support their gofundmes and e-begging attempts, that's their problem, not ours. And who promotes what is also the channel's problem, not ours.

They should put their foot down and just flat out refund all the GFM money donated by people who don't really give a damn about the fate of Vic Mignogna as an individual, but rather donated to take a stand against #metoo, listen and believe, and Twitter mob justice. I think that's a splendid idea.

To which I reply with this:
http://archive.is/zqjcY

This is just one example. KickVic has already clearly stated that there will be no forgiveness, the interference will continue, the defamation will continue, regardless of the outcome of this case. So long as this culture exists, Vic will continue to be attacked. Attacking this culture and helping Vic are thus two goals that are in alignment, and thus can work together.
 
Your an extra special kind of tard aren't you. Welcome to the Farms newfren. I'm really glad you are here lol
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You haven't even been here a year, you low-IQ community-college dropout with the sad edgelord just-to-be-offensive username.

Vic's case doesn't even exist without #istandwithvic funding. Nick's "grand scheme" falls apart s/ it. The point you're trying to make a case for is inane.

I ignore the accounts of people are 40 points lower in IQ. Ciao.

What's wrong with people using superchats to promote themselves? It's literally what any advertising service does; paying someone to say words on your behalf. If Istandwithvic donators want to support their gofundmes and e-begging attempts, that's their problem, not ours. And who promotes what is also the channel's problem, not ours.

The parasitic e-begging does annoy me, but it's not a big deal.

To which I reply with this:
http://archive.li/zqjcY

This is just one example. KickVic has already clearly stated that there will be no forgiveness, the interference will continue, the defamation will continue, regardless of the outcome of this case. So long as this culture exists, Vic will continue to be attacked. Attacking this culture and helping Vic are thus two goals that are in alignment, and thus can work together.

I sounds like we agree. I was being sarcastic. My point is that I doubt that Vic would have felt confident, financially, in bringing a suit without the generosity of #istandwithvic people like me who don't really give a fuck about Vic himself, but who are interested in making SJWs pay in court. It started with Hambly and Meyer, and Vic is the present beneficiary of our largesse.

Worrying about this turning into a circus is the petty concern of a small mind. In fact, isn't KF all about the circus? It's entertaining. Without the spectacle a lot of people will drift away to more interesting things and take our money with us.

They look a gift horse in the mouth at their peril.
 
You haven't even been here a year, you low-IQ community-college dropout with the sad edgelord just-to-be-offensive username.

Vic's case doesn't even exist without #istandwithvic funding. Nick's "grand scheme" falls apart s/ it. The point you're trying to make a case for is inane.

I ignore the accounts of people are 40 points lower in IQ. Ciao.

Ok I've been here a year, can you stop shitting up the thread with your epeen measuring for fuck's sake?

Vic's case works just fine without the hashtag money because the man STARTED his case with his own money and had planned to pursue it without the support. I'm sure the man is thrilled to have the support but he was certainly prepared to fight this battle without it. The hashtag's money has just given him more options when it comes to how many targets he wants to go after.

Worrying about this turning into a circus is the petty concern of a small mind. In fact, isn't KF all about the circus? It's entertaining. Without the spectacle a lot of people will drift away to more interesting things and take our money with us.

They look a gift horse in the mouth at their peril.

Agreed, I don't get why anyone is concerned about this crashing into Goobergate V1.8 or whatever. While I highly doubt it will, considering the major actors seem to be better adjusted people, I don't care if it does either. One way or the other we are going to get to watch the shit show and have a good chuckle so I don't get the autistic screeching over 'Muh GG part two!'.

Sit back and enjoy the bloodbath.
 
Your an extra special kind of tard aren't you. Welcome to the Farms newfren. I'm really glad you are here lol
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I'm not going to post again to argue with you. Best you will get is this edit.

It's distracting from the main point, it's shady as fuck, people don't like it, they don't come to get updates on Vic's case to hear about someone's shitty youtube channel or your sad sap story about "i can't pay muh bills and need help this week". Stupid stuff like this will derail it. You already have a group who actively want to split off into their own faction of Anime Gate because they are upset about some of the stuff going on. Nick Rekeita's State of StandwithVic stream was basically him saying he talked to un-named people and he will just let it be how it is, but he wants people to behave themselves when reaching out to cons, but he doesn't want to police speech, but doxing isn't cool man, but kiwifarms are great guys who are known for doxing, etc etc.

It's an absolute shit show in the making and the first hearing hasn't even been had in court. If everybody treated this at this stage like any other case that Rekeita covers it would just be something to check in on. Instead everybody is getting invested in this to an emotional level and clouding their judgement.

Good thing we got these people who just joined 1-2 months ago on Kiwi who are upset that anybody thinks ill of this whole thing. I would ask you to try to think a little more impartially, but I don't think you are able.
At least me personally, I am under no illusion this is some sort or grand battle against feminists or SJWs or whatever. That this is going to do anything significant for the culture war.

I'm here to laugh at idiots who think Twitter is real life and for the spectacle of the whole thing. Somehow these speds find lower than rock bottom every time and it's funny as shit.
 
I don't know what's going on nor do I care but I'll keep it simple: you don't turn down money even if it's a bit of dirty money. Nick agreed to read all superchats on stream which is what many of his donaters are expecting. As long as it doesn't violate YouTube's ToS who really gives a hoot. Let Nick do what he wants.

There's also not point fighting about who is shilling on this movement because it's more people than you think. Who wouldn't want to cover and focus on stuff not only are they interested in but brings in more dough. Vic's GFM probably will settle out to 170k in the end so not much point fighting what goes in as he will likely need it all. It is what it is and there's not much we can do about it so whinning about it is pointless.
 
Ok I've been here a year, can you stop shitting up the thread with your epeen measuring for fuck's sake?

You would do better to say that to the unaccomplished dipshit who replied to my point of disagreement with an insult. I only ever respond like for like.

I am not inside Vic's brain, but I will take the fact that he waited until well after the war chest was started and filling up before deciding to bring the suit as evidence that its existence heavily figured into his calculations. Nick Rekieta seems to agree; he is still encouraging people to donate.

I was thinking about donating some more money. Should I not? I mean if Vic doesn't need it ...

Regardless of Vic, the precedent of crowdfunding litigation should be respected in principle, and the who are donating should also be respected.
 
You would do better to say that to the unaccomplished dipshit who replied to my point of disagreement with an insult. I only ever respond like for like.

I am not inside Vic's brain, but I will take the fact that he waited until well after the war chest was started and filling up before deciding to bring the suit as evidence that its existence heavily figured into his calculations. Nick Rekieta seems to agree; he is still encouraging people to donate.

I was thinking about donating some more money. Should I not? I mean if Vic doesn't need it ...

Regardless of Vic, the precedent of crowdfunding litigation should be respected in principle, and the who are donating should also be respected.

Ok you are both bad boys and should play nice. Better?

Also this really dumb pseudo guilt trip thing about should you not donate money to Vic? Have I said anything to even hint at ever caring what you do with your money? I'm here to laugh at people being dumb on the internet not fight a retarded culture war to 'own the libs'.
 
Ok you are both bad boys and should play nice. Better?

Also this really dumb pseudo guilt trip thing about should you not donate money to Vic? Have I said anything to even hint at ever caring what you do with your money? I'm here to laugh at people being dumb on the internet not fight a exceptional culture war to 'own the libs'.

You weren't the one making that argument, it's true. It was the sped who was worried about things turning into a circus. I mean, that really should have been obvious from the context of the last few posts, but I don't mind spelling it out.


My "guilt trip" about donating money to Vic isn't directed to you; it's directed to people who state abysmally stupid things like Vic's being able to prosecute this case without the help of #istandwithvic, with all that entails.
 
And I do realize that this is the credo of the KF cult:

I'm here to laugh at people being dumb on the internet not fight a exceptional culture war to 'own the libs'.

I find the mindless parroting of it to be a puerile too-cool-for-school coping mechanism.

But if most of you have drunk that Kool-Aid then maybe I am not a good fit here. I do actually give a damn.
 
They should put their foot down and just flat out refund all the GFM money donated by people who don't really give a damn about the fate of Vic Mignogna as an individual, but rather donated to take a stand against #metoo, listen and believe, and Twitter mob justice. I think that's a splendid idea.

vic is taking a stand and he needs help.

It's distracting from the main point, it's shady as fuck, people don't like it, they don't come to get updates on Vic's case to hear about someone's shitty youtube channel or your sad sap story about "i can't pay muh bills and need help this week". Stupid stuff like this will derail it.
Its just like ads! i use software to block ads, so i dont want to get stupid superchat ads.
the best solution is just to troll people doing promotions like that.

What's wrong with people using superchats to promote themselves? It's literally what any advertising service does; paying someone to say words on your behalf. If Istandwithvic donators want to support their gofundmes and e-begging attempts, that's their problem, not ours. And who promotes what is also the channel's problem, not ours.
yeah turn down that pesky adblock fellow kekistanis.
Just F U! Ads are cancer and this typ of promotion is cancer too. its like peole giving you the watchtower on the street. the only difference is that you can to something with the watchtower, like getting one every time you

Also this really dumb pseudo guilt trip thing about should you not donate money to Vic? Have I said anything to even hint at ever caring what you do with your money? I'm here to laugh at people being dumb on the internet not fight a exceptional culture war to 'own the libs'.
but you are part of this fight. laughing and posting about those spergs hurts them more than anything else.
 
but you are part of this fight. laughing and posting about those spergs hurts them more than anything else.

You know the saddest part of all this is you are right, shit posting keeps the twitters screeching more than the fucking court case does. That's actually hilarious now that I think about it.
 
You know the saddest part of all this is you are right, shit posting keeps the twitters screeching more than the fucking court case does. That's actually hilarious now that I think about it.
what 20$ if you can generate 5 tweets full of damning evidence for a court case instead by just shitposting?
 
what 20$ if you can generate 5 tweets full of damning evidence for a court case instead by just shitposting?
That snarky comment can mean a million, basically. Sure, it won't be paid by the people, but the ball is in our court and it's going into Vic's pocket. And that's the funny part. We're living rent free in their heads just by laughing at them.
 
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