Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

[Next Task]

Now there's a story I'd love to hear. I know the 'stronk wimmen' bullshit tends to grate on farmers' nerves, but it's always fun when you run across the genuine article: a woman of steel nerves and titanium will.

My impression is there's a minority of users who find it grates, and then a much larger contingent who don't like being told 'look, stronk tuff woman!' without evidence, or with strong evidence otherwise. eg a female Twitter sperg who claims to be all strong and thick-skinned but crumbles at the slightest opposition, or is just a crybully.

Actual tough women, like the CAC? Who actually can withstand bullshit and give even better than they get? They get a great deal of support.

We're still wondering whether the MoRon deposition will be done by the guy who gets described as being so easy-going that the opposing counsel have to regularly remind their clients that he's not actually on their side, or one of the Amazons to throw MoRon off their 'persecution! Misogyny!' track and make it harder for them to just blame sexism.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

I point out again that casey tried to tell the judge what to do without citing why the judge should feel compelled to.
depending on the judge, they'll take that as casey tried to bully them into a decision favorable to them.
most judges will not like a lawyer thinking they can boss the judge around.
most judges will make sure to make it clear who is boss in that courtroom.

I'm sure the judge is going to be very happy to have to personally settle something that should have been decided between the two parties already.

My hope would be that the judge asks each side a few very simple questions, maybe asks them to show cause, and we can figure out if we're getting the depositions now, or in 90 days. I don't think the court is going to help Casey split the baby, re:depositions.

(Then again, the way Casey is acting, maybe this is a regular occurrence in Texas? That'd be a shame.)

 

[boulderblundermatt90]

I'm sure the judge is going to be very happy to have to personally settle something that should have been decided between the two parties already.

My hope would be that the judge asks each side a few very simple questions, maybe asks them to show cause, and we can figure out if we're getting the depositions now, or in 90 days. I don't think the court is going to help Casey split the baby, re:depositions.

(Then again, the way Casey is acting, maybe this is a regular occurrence in Texas? That'd be a shame.)

might be powerleveling a bit but no. it isn't.
courts in texas are actually one of the more laid back places to be regarding civil suits. I mean sure there's the threat of insane monetary loss but the lawyers are generally very professional and even a bit on the kind side. it's really unusual to see lawyers at each others throats.

granted this doesn't apply to criminal courts but still. that's why casey's actions make no sense to me. especially since texas judges are especially known to take no bullshit in their courts. not to the point that casey just lost the lawsuit but now the judge is watching him like he's untrustworthy, which will not help him at all.

frankly? casey should just settle. if he has to throttle his clients to do it, he needs to because most of a lawyers tricks are now out of the window while Ty still has a full armory.

 

[beardium]

All this funimation talk and people are forgetting what kind shitshow their statement and investigation has caused.In my opinion funimation has the worst case.

1. The statement is from a big company who was also Vic's employer at the time.
2. They were also the ones who did the investigation (Yeah yeah i know it was sony's HR, but since funimation brought the knowledge to public i'll go with them.)

Now comes the defamation points. Which i would argue with.

1. The said statement implies Vic was harassing at funimations property.
2. They imply Vic was harassing employees.
3. They imply he is hard to work with (Yes they also imply this because a reasonable person can deduce that a guy harassing their employees is also hard to work with). Thus directly making it hard for him to be employed.
4. Most importantly said statement was then actively used by Monica, Jamie, Ron, Sabat, Schemmel, Dominique and anyone else who is kickvic to reinstate the defamation that Vic was fired due to him being a sexual harasser/predator etc.
5. Said statements/investigation were used time and time again to take LEVERAGE over the public, media, fans of both Vic and the defendants to portray Vic as some kind of Sexual Predator.
6. Since the said statement comes from them directly in a public manner using their main twitter page that has 792k followers at the time of writing this, they directly went ahead and tried to defame to all of the 792k people. Not counting the ones that are not following funimation but are still fans of the parties involved, fans of dragonball, users of their service, people that retweeted the said statement to their own followers, some of whom have their own followers ranging in from 30k to 187k. None of this is taking into the account the news outlets picking up on funimations said statement about dropping vic due to harassments who are themselves spreading said info to their own readers. It can easily be said their statement was spread the most.
7. Now this point is very important. If the said statement/investigation comes out to be incorrect not only has funimation done nothing in the active timeframe to not cause harm to Vic's business opportunities they have actively gone ahead and caused further harm by removing his name from credits in their products. Thus proving that not only have they actively "The defendant made a false and defamatory statement concerning the plaintiff", "The publisher acted at least negligently in publishing the communication." but the fact that not only they did these two things, they also went ahead and actively tried to keep his name from being recognized for his work (which is important in the entertainment medium to get more work, fans etc) which shows actual "Malice" on their part that they recklessly and knowingly not only made said statements that were already false but went an extra mile to act on said statement to cause further damage of removing his name and taking away his positive advertising.

Now i am not knowledgeable on the legal side so i can't say how much of a difference it makes between 10 small different defamation vs one that had a lot of reach and was being used as a leverage but i'd argue that Funimation while does the least harm only based upon number of defaming statements, when you take a deeper look they have caused the most harm directly, indirectly, knowingly, recklessly and with Malice BITCH. Heck i'd argue that funimation's three tweets alone did more harm than Ron Toye's 400 combined to Vic's career.

Also not to forget that if any of the said cons that dropped Vic were TI'ed by Defendents using the funimation investigation as their reason for interfering with the contracts, Funimation would further be liable for the damage themselves for causing harm to Vic's business oppurtunities. Not to forget cons don't even need to be TI'ed. The ones that weren't TI'ed but just got woke and dropped Vic, if they gave the reason for dropping Vic due to funimation's investigation/statements then funimation is even more fucked. I think even this one is important as while we think most cons dropped Vic due to Monica and the party some might have dropped Vic directly based upon Funimation's statement.

And this is all of the reasons i can up with at this point for funimation what Ty and His firm can do is completely different.

Edit - Even more due to how monica and the party have used investigation as a leverage to reinstate Vic as a sexual predator, funimation can no longer say their tweet had a different meaning as their own employees used said statements under the context of proving Vic as a sexual predator. If their tweet didn't mean Vic was a sexual predator then their statement about investigation would have never been used as a leverage aka Logical Conclusion that funimation did mean Vic's a Sexual Predator. Which funimation neither denied, or ever tried stopping their agents from using their statements in such a way. Which just further proves that funimation was acting in malice using their agents as an indirect party and are thus liable. If funimation's statement/investigation were to come up false they are fucked.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm sure the judge is going to be very happy to have to personally settle something that should have been decided between the two parties already.

Luckily one side established a lengthy record showing who was responsible for it coming to this.

And that side was also the one that filed a motion forcing it to a hearing in the first place themselves, using snippets of out of context bullshit to misrepresent what was going on.

Looking at the defense's claims and the evidence they presented (when they had the same evidence at their disposal as the other side), and then comparing it to the full context is going to be enlightening to the judge and give him a good grasp as to the future behavior to be expected of the defense.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see both sides get some critique. The judge wouldn't want to look biased.

Still, I seriously doubt Casey is going to get what he so obviously wants, a deposition of Vic, but no deposition of his own asshole clients, timed so that he can then immediately file a TCPA and his clients can go on a hog wild defamation rampage for at least 90 days.

My favorite scenario is not only do Soye and Monica get dragged in to testify at the hearing, but that they immediately get sent into deposition, too, Vic doesn't get deposed at all, and they don't get any extension for the TCPA either, so they have to file that or lose it.

Probably the nominally fair outcome is nobody gets to depose anyone and it goes straight to the TCPA, so I'd think it is more likely than not, with everyone getting deposed also a possibility.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Now, this is a long-shot, but a disturbing factor to take into account: Charlene Ingram, the wife of Adam Sheehan (Event Director at Crunchyroll and VRV, former Funimation employee, and Todd Haberkorn's "friend"), works at Capcom as the Fighting Games Brand Director. The question then remains regarding how much clout she has in Capcom. If it's high enough, Langdon might be in trouble.

Reuben’s contracts are more or less all directly from Japan vs the localization department so far as I know, and my understanding is also that he’s kind of like Sabat and Funi in that has has stake in a mocap studio that Capcom likes to use when they can. He’s also never been anything close to a snake the way these fucks have been.

My impression is there's a minority of users who find it grates, and then a much larger contingent who don't like being told 'look, stronk tuff woman!' without evidence, or with strong evidence otherwise. eg a female Twitter sperg who claims to be all strong and thick-skinned but crumbles at the slightest opposition, or is just a crybully.

Actual tough women, like the CAC? Who actually can withstand bullshit and give even better than they get? They get a great deal of support.

We're still wondering whether the MoRon deposition will be done by the guy who gets described as being so easy-going that the opposing counsel have to regularly remind their clients that he's not actually on their side, or one of the Amazons to throw MoRon off their 'persecution! Misogyny!' track and make it harder for them to just blame sexism.

I like to hope it’d lead to them breaking down. Was it Ty or one of the amazons that got under someone’s skin so hard that a Deposition devolved into a fistfight? Was that a joke they made or did it actually happen?

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I like to hope it’d lead tk them breaking down. Was it Ty or one of the amazons that got under someone’s skin so hard that the Deposition devolved into a fistfight? Was that joke they made or did it actually happen?

It was Ty and I don't think he was joking. Plus, I think it was the opposing side's lawyer that got into a fight with him (if I am remembering correctly).

 

[PrinceofAllCucks]

Reuben’s contracts are more or less all directly from Japan vs the localization department so far as I know, and my understanding is also that he’s kind of like Sabat and Funi in that has has stake in a mocap studio that Capcom likes to use when they can. He’s also never been anything close to a snake the way these fucks have been.

I like to hope it’d lead tk them breaking down. Was it Ty or one of the amazons that got under someone’s skin so hard that the Deposition devolved into a fistfight? Was that joke they made or did it actually happen?

Fairly certain it was amazon prime, and dear GOD I hope it wasn't a joke.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Now there's a story I'd love to hear. I know the 'stronk wimmen' bullshit tends to grate on farmers' nerves, but it's always fun when you run across the genuine article: a woman of steel nerves and titanium will.

Texan’s and most Southerners view a distinct difference between the Liberal “Strong Independent Woman” Feminists and what is best typified as “Country Strong”. A strong willed Southern woman of deep common sense who tolerates no shit and will give you the ass kicking you so rightly deserve should you step one foot out of line. Southerners by and large despise the dangerhaired useless women of the first type. And will adore women of the second type to the ends of the earth. Doubly so if it’s their ass she is kicking.

 

[Immortal Technique]

@AnOminous Ty's firm "accidentally" sending and retracting the form; is that just a show of force to become or can it be used in a future motion? Just curious, wondering if Casey tries to stall Ty getting the evidence with a motion, but Ty sending the exact same document again would thwart that?

 

[AnOminous]

@AnOminous Ty's firm "accidentally" sending and retracting the form; is that just a show of force to become or can it be used in a future motion? Just curious, wondering if Casey tries to stall Ty getting the evidence with a motion, but Ty sending the exact same document again would thwart that?

He's going to ask for all that stuff again in a timely fashion. It's already mostly covered in the interrogatories served with the original suit but they have different deadlines.

 

[GRB86]

Luckily one side established a lengthy record showing who was responsible for it coming to this.

And that side was also the one that filed a motion forcing it to a hearing in the first place themselves, using snippets of out of context bullshit to misrepresent what was going on.

Looking at the defense's claims and the evidence they presented (when they had the same evidence at their disposal as the other side), and then comparing it to the full context is going to be enlightening to the judge and give him a good grasp as to the future behavior to be expected of the defense.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see both sides get some critique. The judge wouldn't want to look biased.

Still, I seriously doubt Casey is going to get what he so obviously wants, a deposition of Vic, but no deposition of his own asshole clients, timed so that he can then immediately file a TCPA and his clients can go on a hog wild defamation rampage for at least 90 days.

My favorite scenario is not only do Soye and Monica get dragged in to testify at the hearing, but that they immediately get sent into deposition, too, Vic doesn't get deposed at all, and they don't get any extension for the TCPA either, so they have to file that or lose it.

Probably the nominally fair outcome is nobody gets to depose anyone and it goes straight to the TCPA, so I'd think it is more likely than not, with everyone getting deposed also a possibility.

Along the same lines, I would think the Judge upon this reaching his bench is not going to be too happy about the shenanigans. It's one thing to slow or delay the process, but to outright deny any answers for a Depo date for their clients I would judge that is not going to be received well. I'd love to see an order for immediate deposition of the defendant side and then the Plaintiff side. That way (I would think) it guarantees if there is a motion for TCPA, the discovery process is not held in a stay.

As I understand it the motions which were sent then retracted was not a big deal, Casey made some bucks on his clients doing useless motions and billing for them. (as explained in Ty's letter)They tried the end run, trying to lock up Vic in Deposition and then probably motioning for a TCPA action. End run was evident when the defendants attorney tried to nail down Vic for depo, and never even open the discovery phase for the plaintiffs side by even suggesting, even returning an answer, for his clients to be deposed. Plus his veiled threat to Vic concerning his "Privacy" Basically BHBH by motioning for Trial this early, signals one thing to me, one side has a ton of slam bang evidence already in the vault, but would like to shore up the overall campaign (Remember there is a federal case coming next) with some more discovery, and one side has very shaky, ugly, but not legally damaging evidence which will not help their case. So once the judge gives the defendants team a spanking, and the plaintiff team a firm talking to things may settle down and back to procedure. This was Mo-Rons only chance and it was pissed away.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

frankly? casey should just settle. if he has to throttle his clients to do it, he needs to because most of a lawyers tricks are now out of the window while Ty still has a full armory.

You can't know how much that thought tickles me: Running up the bill on MoRon, then suggesting they settle out-of-pocket right as the money runs out.

Well, I mean, you can guess. And you'd probably be right.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see both sides get some critique. The judge wouldn't want to look biased.

Still, I seriously doubt Casey is going to get what he so obviously wants, a deposition of Vic, but no deposition of his own asshole clients, timed so that he can then immediately file a TCPA and his clients can go on a hog wild defamation rampage for at least 90 days.

My assumptions exactly.

My favorite scenario is not only do Soye and Monica get dragged in to testify at the hearing, but that they immediately get sent into deposition, too, Vic doesn't get deposed at all, and they don't get any extension for the TCPA either, so they have to file that or lose it.

Pretty . I don't see why they wouldn't get to depose Vic just because their lawyer is an opportunistic prick. And I'd be a little worried for Vic if the judge sank to Casey's level.

Probably the nominally fair outcome is nobody gets to depose anyone and it goes straight to the TCPA, so I'd think it is more likely than not, with everyone getting deposed also a possibility.

My money's on the latter. Though, I'd love to watch MoRon squirm under a 90+ day TRO. We could start a betting pool on who gets the first contempt charge, and when!

 

[GRB86]

All this funimation talk and people are forgetting what kind shitshow their statement and investigation has caused.In my opinion funimation has the worst case.

1. The statement is from a big company who was also Vic's employer at the time.
2. They were also the ones who did the investigation (Yeah yeah i know it was sony's HR, but since funimation brought the knowledge to public i'll go with them.)

Now comes the defamation points. Which i would argue with.

1. The said statement implies Vic was harassing at funimations property.
2. They imply Vic was harassing employees.
3. They imply he is hard to work with (Yes they also imply this because a reasonable person can deduce that a guy harassing their employees is also hard to work with). Thus directly making it hard for him to be employed.
4. Most importantly said statement was then actively used by Monica, Jamie, Ron, Sabat, Schemmel, Dominique and anyone else who is kickvic to reinstate the defamation that Vic was fired due to him being a sexual harasser/predator etc.
5. Said statements/investigation were used time and time again to take LEVERAGE over the public, media, fans of both Vic and the defendants to portray Vic as some kind of Sexual Predator.
6. Since the said statement comes from them directly in a public manner using their main twitter page that has 792k followers at the time of writing this, they directly went ahead and tried to defame to all of the 792k people. Not counting the ones that are not following funimation but are still fans of the parties involved, fans of dragonball, users of their service, people that retweeted the said statement to their own followers, some of whom have their own followers ranging in from 30k to 187k. None of this is taking into the account the news outlets picking up on funimations said statement about dropping vic due to harassments who are themselves spreading said info to their own readers. It can easily be said their statement was spread the most.
7. Now this point is very important. If the said statement/investigation comes out to be incorrect not only has funimation done nothing in the active timeframe to not cause harm to Vic's business opportunities they have actively gone ahead and caused further harm by removing his name from credits in their products. Thus proving that not only have they actively "The defendant made a false and defamatory statement concerning the plaintiff", "The publisher acted at least negligently in publishing the communication." but the fact that not only they did these two things, they also went ahead and actively tried to keep his name from being recognized for his work (which is important in the entertainment medium to get more work, fans etc) which shows actual "Malice" on their part that they recklessly and knowingly not only made said statements that were already false but went an extra mile to act on said statement to cause further damage of removing his name and taking away his positive advertising.

Now i am not knowledgeable on the legal side so i can't say how much of a difference it makes between 10 small different defamation vs one that had a lot of reach and was being used as a leverage but i'd argue that Funimation while does the least harm only based upon number of defaming statements, when you take a deeper look they have caused the most harm directly, indirectly, knowingly, recklessly and with Malice BITCH. Heck i'd argue that funimation's three tweets alone did more harm than Ron Toye's 400 combined to Vic's career.

Also not to forget that if any of the said cons that dropped Vic were TI'ed by Defendents using the funimation investigation as their reason for interfering with the contracts, Funimation would further be liable for the damage themselves for causing harm to Vic's business oppurtunities. Not to forget cons don't even need to be TI'ed. The ones that weren't TI'ed but just got woke and dropped Vic, if they gave the reason for dropping Vic due to funimation's investigation/statements then funimation is even more fucked. I think even this one is important as while we think most cons dropped Vic due to Monica and the party some might have dropped Vic directly based upon Funimation's statement.

And this is all of the reasons i can up with at this point for funimation what Ty and His firm can do is completely different.

Edit - Even more due to how monica and the party have used investigation as a leverage to reinstate Vic as a sexual predator, funimation can no longer say their tweet had a different meaning as their own employees used said statements under the context of proving Vic as a sexual predator. If their tweet didn't mean Vic was a sexual predator then their statement about investigation would have never been used as a leverage aka Logical Conclusion that funimation did mean Vic's a Sexual Predator. Which funimation neither denied, or ever tried stopping their agents from using their statements in such a way. Which just further proves that funimation was acting in malice using their agents as an indirect party and are thus liable. If funimation's statement/investigation were to come up false they are fucked.

Solid as far as I can tell but there is one thing that is not being mentioned. The Plaintiff side already has data and evidence, enough to put them squarely in the interrogatories. Something tells me that BHBH has not only the external twitterverse data, but inside information s well. For instance, we know a good bit of the investigation data and the jellybean indecent etc etc, you can bet if that is out there, then more is in the hands to rip the HR a new one.

 

[boulderblundermatt90]

You can't know how much that thought tickles me: Running up the bill on MoRon, then suggesting they settle out-of-pocket right as the money runs out.

Well, I mean, you can guess. And you'd probably be right.

well its a bit more than that. Casey fucked up. bad.

whether the judge is mad or not, he signaled he's pulling petty bullshit and the judge is going to be watching him for anymore. most of a lawyers tricks involve peddling bullshit. as a result, casey lost effectively half his armory on a dud salvo that failed to accomplish what it needed to. worse? it may have backfired.

 

[RodgerDodger]

As I understand it the motions which were sent then retracted was not a big deal, Casey made some bucks on his clients doing useless motions and billing for them. (as explained in Ty's letter)They tried the end run, trying to lock up Vic in Deposition and then probably motioning for a TCPA action. End run was evident when the defendants attorney tried to nail down Vic for depo, and never even open the discovery phase for the plaintiffs side by even suggesting, even returning an answer, for his clients to be deposed. Plus his veiled threat to Vic concerning his "Privacy" Basically BHBH by motioning for Trial this early, signals one thing to me, one side has a ton of slam bang evidence already in the vault, but would like to shore up the overall campaign (Remember there is a federal case coming next) with some more discovery, and one side has very shaky, ugly, but not legally damaging evidence which will not help their case. So once the judge gives the defendants team a spanking, and the plaintiff team a firm talking to things may settle down and back to procedure. This was Mo-Rons only chance and it was pissed away.

That’s pretty much it. For all Casey’s bluster, Ty has shown no fear regarding Vic being deposed. It’s not something he is seeking to delay or avoid. That generally means BHBH is confident in what Vic May say or be challenged with at deposition. Whereas Casey wants to keep his two nitwits as far away from answering anything under oath as possible. Or at least for as long as he can. There is no way it doesn’t end in disaster.

 

[AnOminous]

That way (I would think) it guarantees if there is a motion for TCPA, the discovery process is not held in a stay.

There's automatically a stay when a TCPA motion is filed. There wouldn't be any point to the TCPA if it didn't stay the proceedings. That's its whole point.

 

[Beavis]

There's automatically a stay when a TCPA motion is filed. There wouldn't be any point to the TCPA if it didn't stay the proceedings. That's its whole point.

I think MoRon will file the TCPA after it's clear Vic will not be deposed first without an agreement to delay the TCPA filing until all parties are deposed. They don't want to be deposed ever and will put it off as long as they can.

 

[Jill Kews]

I think MoRon will file the TCPA after it's clear Vic will not be deposed first without an agreement to delay the TCPA filing until all parties are deposed. They don't want to be deposed ever and will put it off as long as they can.

This entire process is going to come down to the usual legalese bullshit of stall-chase-stall until the retard brigade runs out of recourse and are made to eat shit by Ty and company.

 

[some_crazy]

There's automatically a stay when a TCPA motion is filed. There wouldn't be any point to the TCPA if it didn't stay the proceedings. That's its whole point.

Is there any way to reduce how long it stays things for (if it's clearly not sufficient to dismiss the case)?