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OldAmishRenegade said:
Another kickvic idiot to laugh at. This person not only claims Vic tried to rape someone, but then says the lawsuit is just an excuse to dox the defendants. The proof is Vic didn't redact their addresses when he personally filed the papers instead of his lawyers doing it.

Silly Vic, wasting an $160k warchest just to dox these people when emspex already did it for free.

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Edit: Also here's Vic's stream from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFoupVvgazM
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Lmao.
 
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repentance said:
Yeah, I can't wait until they learn about the "harassment" of a deposition.
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Also, something that Nick has pointed out... the rape shield laws that say you can't drag an accuser's reputation through the mud in front of the jury only apply in a criminal trial. Vic is the plaintiff and this whole proceeding is civil.

If they wanted to tell their story in a nice, safe courtroom and not be made to look like the evil, lying, vindictive bitches that they are... maybe they should have done that, and filed proper criminal charges against Vic, instead of stooping to these underhanded tactics and expecting to never be accountable for them. If their accusations had actually been true, they certainly should've made criminal accusations instead of trying to ruin his reputation with his employers and in the court of public opinion. That just shows that they knew their fabricated story would fall apart if it was subjected to any formal scrutiny.
Commander said:
I would push for a cheaper, more effective system of punishing people with false or unprovable claims. Imagine getting a 20k fine for making shit up that damages someone. It's fast and easy to resolve on top of catching a lot of people. This is for people who don't have chat logs, police reports, or whatever. Think of it like giving someone a ticket for speeding but way more expensive.
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Strong disagree here. Punish people whose claims are provably and clearly false. Throw the book at them; make it hurt. But punishing people who make accusations just because they didn't have sufficient evidence will have a chilling effect on actual victims, who might not be sure if their evidence is rock solid enough to reach a conviction. They deserve to at least be heard.

False accusations actually hurt real victims (in addition to hurting the falsely accused party, who's thus also victimized) and should absolutely result in severe penalties. But I don't want to err on the side of punishing victims who wanted justice.

Justice isn't always possible. Perps get away sometimes, because we've decided that it's better to occasionally allow guilty people to escape than it is to punish an innocent person for something they didn't do. There will be situations where one person says that they were assaulted and the accused person says that they are being falsely accused, and the evidence simply won't be enough to prove either party's claim. It's better to just allow both to go free than to punish either one of them if we're just not sure.
 
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Medicated said:
Really what movie?

Well I was looking to see what school she actually went to, because it's not mentioned in her bio. Only her University. I was wondering if she went to a Christian School.
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It’s from The Goonies, where Chunk is confessing to the Fertellis in the basement.
 
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Bomb_Squiq said:
Just got done sitting on a federal civil jury and if they think the witness stand is a safe space pulpit to preach defamation, they have never seen real opposing council cross examine. I'm betting at least 1 of these exceptional individuals ends up crying.
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Why settle for just one when you can have the whole bunch for free?
 
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Lone MacReady said:
Considering what has been discovered recently about the incestuous ties everyone from the VAs to the Studios to ANN and the twitter clowns have to each other, most Cons are just stuck in a no win.
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Actually the only Kobiashi Maru is when the conventions/falsely accused cuck themselves by playing by SJW rules, apologizing or allowing the idiocy to continue. They are in fact guarenteeing their own demise because the special snowflakes will be back in bigger numbers and with more 'serious' accusations the next time their con/appearance et all rolls around.

For a long time now, I and others said some variation of This only ends in a courtroom." And until recently people made every excuse in the world why lawsuits were not the answer. Well it sure looks like even a handful of lawsuits were EXACTLY the answer and that these no-win scenarios could in fact be won against the woker than thou/false accusers. And lo and behold (as shown by the cons who kept/reinstated Vic) profits increased.
 
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GethN7 said:
That would actually be a more effective deterrent in some ways.

It's easy to spew shit that defames someone, but hard to sue for it, so I propose a modified variant:

Let someone file a defamation claim on a statement, and until the statement can be assessed as defamatory or not, the party accused of defamation have to put so much money down on potential damages, like several thousand at least, and if it goes to trial, that gets tacked on to the amount they have to pay if they lose.

If they win, they don't pay it.

Either way, until they hit a courtroom, they already know they'll be down a nice chunk of change in advance unless they are willing to take it to court or they retract the statement.

If the latter is done before a court gets involved, then the matter is over and done with presuming it was done in a timely and reasonable manner.
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There would still need to be checks and balances or it becomes another quagmire of deplatforming muck.

What has jumped out at me is how unprepared our (Texas at least) laws are in dealing with defamation along the electronic frontier. The justice machine is, in my opinion, fairly well suited to handle the principles at work here but the machinations of having to print a page and take down page for each tweet is almost anachronistic. Though in this case the hilarity was priceless. Things like archiving the offending tweets, sending a certified preservation and mitigation letter with say 30 pages to list the 400 tweets and done.

I can also see where a system for filing a criminal complaint, say a low end (Class C in Texas) misdemeanor and if you can prove a statement is potentially damaging (again standards would have to be in place) the offender gets cited and fined. But given the global nature of Social Media the establishment of jurisdiction et al would make fleshing this out a nightmare.

TL;DR Clean up the outdated procedures to deal with the digital age. Bring back dueling, it's simple, it's final.
 
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Army Burger said:
For the same reasons as the Shoe-Eater, I imagine.
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I honestly believe Shane has some kind of mental illness, but Dominique at least has something else going on in her life, and had some level of costhot clout at cons. It's just mind-boggling to me to think she's just such a drama-hungry cunt she doesn't care if she catches a subpoena, or worse.
 
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