Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[MirnaMinkoff]

There wasn't a teen pregnancy problem at my high school 'cause everyone was too busy studying and doing the mountains of homework they gave us. That's the real coastal elite (okay I went to a public school but we had a sailing team) solution to make teens not have sex.

I would not want to take an autistic kid to a theme park. I remember being a non-autistic kid on a very low key roller coaster at a small amusement park and freaking out every time because I was worried about it falling off the track at a particularly curvy point. Somewhere with coasters that go upside down? For someone with sensory issues there's no way that's a good idea.

Actually abortion is a solution to teen pregnancy at liberal elite HS, along side birth control. Don’t be naive, even at high achieving rich elite HS girls get knocked up. It’s just not something thats going to be broadcast if the girl isn’t going to have the baby.

I did a study about a decade ago, it compared a few working class schools and one very elite HS all in the same region. I remember trying to get data from the counselor at the elite HS, which had a 99% college acceptance rate with every Ivy League school heavily represented.

She point blank told me they had NO teen mothers, except like once many moons ago. I said, “do you mean you have no pregnant teens in the entire HS?” She dryly replied they may have pregnant students at times but “they didn’t stay pregnant for long.” Compare this to a high school less than five miles away in a poor area that had to have a daycare on premise to accommodate all the teen mothers enrolled.

One of the issues behind Roe v Wade is that the rich had always had access to safe abortions. They sent their daughters to Europe or their understanding private doctors. It was poor women ending up in ERs with coat hangers and knitting needles in their cervixes, or beaten half to death by enraged fathers.

The problem with totally banning abortion is there goes all those single issue abortion voters. The Republican party needs those people to show up.

Abortion has been a godsend to the far right. They can do whatever the fuck they want as long as they “vote to save the babies.” Politics is just too boring and complex so just deciding to vote for someone solely due to their stance on abortion makes it so much easier and makes them feel they couldn’t possibly be making the wrong choice. Black and white thinkers love black and white issues.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

oh yeah lol, I was mostly joking, I'm on kiwifarms so you know I wasn't friends with the people who had sex in high school
although stuff like '13 year old girl dating 19 year old guy' is more tolerated the lower down the economic ladder you go
but also, rich teen girls don't want to get pregnant, whereas poor teen girls at least sometimes do, so there's that too.

 

[Mrs Paul]

And as anyone who works at a Planned Parenthood can tell you, a lot of protestors will come in for an abortion. So I wouldn't be surprised if these so-called "pro-lifers" aren't as pro-life as they claim to be. (Well, considering how they treat the people who are already here, I'd say they aren't really "pro-life" at all)

 

[The Husbando Collector]

And as anyone who works at a Planned Parenthood can tell you, a lot of protestors will come in for an abortion. So I wouldn't be surprised if these so-called "pro-lifers" aren't as pro-life as they claim to be. (Well, considering how they treat the people who are already here, I'd say they aren't really "pro-life" at all)

A bit off topic but:

Hell, I'm pro-choice and pro-capital punishment simply because I believe we have way too many people on this planet and the scummy ones don't deserve life since they already ruined an innocent person (I am pro death penalty after there had been a thorough and clear and 100% proof case that points to the accused as guilty) and the potatoes won't do Jack shit and are in constant pain so why subject them to a life of misery. But I still find it jarring that these pro-lifers with the holier-than-thou all life is precious mindset are also pro-capital punishment.

 

[John Merston]

A bit off topic but:

Hell, I'm pro-choice and pro-capital punishment simply because I believe we have way too many people on this planet and the scummy ones don't deserve life since they already ruined an innocent person (I am pro death penalty after there had been a thorough and clear and 100% proof case that points to the accused as guilty) and the potatoes won't do Jack shit and are in constant pain so why subject them to a life of misery. But I still find it jarring that these pro-lifers with the holier-than-thou all life is precious mindset are also pro-capital punishment.

In all fairness, it's easier to stick up for a fetus that has done absolutely nothing than for a guy who's committed multiple murders and rapes.

 

[Whatthefuck]

The problem with totally banning abortion is there goes all those single issue abortion voters. The Republican party needs those people to show up.

I've been saying this for years. The worst thing that could happen to the GOP is having Roe overturned. Whatever else would they use as the carrot on the stick for the fundie voters? I suppose religion in schools or punishing Muslims, but that's really about it for that block of voters. They don't usually agree with the ol immigration chestnut and they have to be the mostest generousest high and mightiest Christian in the congregation so they at least pretend to care about poor people.

Abortion has been their bread and butter since the Roe decision and they've come to really rely on that so they get the evangelicals and fundies. They would have a very hard time electing anyone without that promise that if they're elected they'll do all they can to make it happen. It's been 40 years. There have been conservative SCOTUS benches in the past. There have been majority Republican legislatures in the past. If they were going to do something, like seriously do something, it would have been done by now.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Oh absolutely! If anything, it'll get the Dems rallied up, and more people will vote to overturn it.

In all fairness, it's easier to stick up for a fetus that has done absolutely nothing than for a guy who's committed multiple murders and rapes.

It's not so much the pro-life, pro-death penalty that I'm talking about, more the ones that then go on and on against things like WIC, CHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, foodstamps, neo-natal care, school lunch programs, etc. They talk about how these people and families are leechs, and don't deserve any help, and they're just screwing everyone over, etc. Most of them don't seem to give a shit about wanting to help those in need, but hey, an entity the size of your thumbnail, oh hey!!!! Must protect it at all costs! (And it better be a white, Christian baby, of course)

If you don't want to try and help people AFTER they're born, then you aren't pro-life, you're pro-birth. I once saw a quote describing these asshats: "life begins at conception, and ends at birth."

 

[Android raptor]

Is there a fundie/pro-lifer thread? If not I think there should be.

The fact that pro-lifers have committed murder and literal terror attacks (remember Eric Rudolph and the 1996 Olympics bombing?) says a lot about how much they actually care about life of the non-fetus variety.

 

[Crimewatcher 44]

Oh absolutely! If anything, it'll get the Dems rallied up, and more people will vote to overturn it.



It's not so much the pro-life, pro-death penalty that I'm talking about, more the ones that then go on and on against things like WIC, CHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, foodstamps, neo-natal care, school lunch programs, etc. They talk about how these people and families are leechs, and don't deserve any help, and they're just screwing everyone over, etc. Most of them don't seem to give a shit about wanting to help those in need, but hey, an entity the size of your thumbnail, oh hey!!!! Must protect it at all costs! (And it better be a white, Christian baby, of course)

If you don't want to try and help people AFTER they're born, then you aren't pro-life, you're pro-birth. I once saw a quote describing these asshats: "life begins at conception, and ends at birth."

Don't forget they insist on abstinence-only sex education. Let's not give kids the tools to protect themselves from infection or pregnancy, which would in itself lower the abortion rate. Also, don't give out birth control at the free clinic. They want to punish the sluts (any unmarried woman) for having sex.

 

[John Merston]

If you don't want to try and help people AFTER they're born, then you aren't pro-life, you're pro-birth. I once saw a quote describing these asshats: "life begins at conception, and ends at birth."

Oh they're willing to help-provided those needing help accept the Word of Jesus.

No, seriously, that's the reason why so many fundies oppose the idea of government helping the poor-in a world without a social safety net, the poor will no choice but to turn to private entities-like the Church, who will no doubt use help as a carrot to get the people they help to conform to their morality.

 

[The Husbando Collector]

Oh they're willing to help-provided those needing help accept the Word of Jesus.

No, seriously, that's the reason why so many fundies oppose the idea of government helping the poor-in a world without a social safety net, the poor will no choice but to turn to private entities-like the Church, who will no doubt use help as a carrot to get the people they help to conform to their morality.

That's like evil genius levels of vileness and brilliance. Except they're too stupid to follow through with it and do it in a more subtle and diabolical and intelligent way.

 

[Whatthefuck]

Oh they're willing to help-provided those needing help accept the Word of Jesus.

No, seriously, that's the reason why so many fundies oppose the idea of government helping the poor-in a world without a social safety net, the poor will no choice but to turn to private entities-like the Church, who will no doubt use help as a carrot to get the people they help to conform to their morality.

Oh, hell they've been doing that for years. That's been a staple of Christian Missions from the get go. Go out to these godless heathens, give them a little food, maybe show them a skill or two, then set up schools that rely HEAVILY on religious education and there you have it. In first world countries it's not much different. Set up shelters for the homeless or addicts, give them a little food, and "therapy" that relies HEAVILY on religious ideology.

 

[One Man Bland]

So another "miracle baby" case: Evelyn and her fundie mother Hannah Sudlow.

I'm not terribly familiar with Edwards Syndrome, but just from the description of brain cysts and missing half a heart it sounds horrific. And from the look of her Instagram it's pretty bad with lil Evelyn constantly in and out of the hospital and seemingly always hooked up to some sort of machine. And of course they have a sketchy-looking charity.

 

[Frito]

So another "miracle baby" case: Evelyn and her fundie mother Hannah Sudlow.

I'm not terribly familiar with Edwards Syndrome, but just from the description of brain cysts and missing half a heart it sounds horrific. And from the look of her Instagram it's pretty bad with lil Evelyn constantly in and out of the hospital and seemingly always hooked up to some sort of machine. And of course they have a sketchy-looking charity.

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The contrast between her cute, chubby, normal sibling and Evelyn is legitimately one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen. Poor tater looks a few days past expiration.

 

[One Man Bland]

The contrast between her cute, chubby, normal sibling and Evelyn is legitimately one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen. Poor tater looks a few days past expiration.

You know what's really sad? The healthy baby is two years younger but has already surpassed the tater in pretty much every developmental stage. I know a lot of people have talked about how incredibly unfair this treatment is to the severely disabled child, but another party I always feel for in cases like this is the non-disabled children who inevitably get pushed to the wayside.

Spoiler: slight powerlevel

Not to get too TMI, but speaking from experience it's really common for parents of severely disabled kids like this to try getting pregnant again in the hopes of a normal kid just for the sake of having a semblance of normalcy (and in some cases rather selfishly because they expect the normal kid to take on the care-taking of the tater when the parents get older), but then after the normal kid grows older and more independent while the tater remains high-maintenance & dependent they start missing out on their healthy child's milestones, said healthy kids resign themselves to always being second fiddle and a little bit socially neglected, and eventually these parents realize too late that they've alienated their healthy kids when they either fly the coop to never return (which I suspect will happen with Gwen Hartley's Cal) or if the parents do try to get the kids to step in as free nurse maids and are surprised when told to fuck off.

This is worst case situations mind you. The parents who tend to avoid having this kind of strained relationship are the ones who make effort to put aside quality time with their healthy kids, even if they can't be around for every later milestone. Though even then I'm sure a lot the non-taters don't feel great about that dynamic.

Anyways, one thing about Hannah specifically that strikes me as odd is that her story is that teh ebil OBGYN told her that literally everything was wrong with this baby and tried to force her to get an abortion and then forcefully kicked out of the clinic when she refused, which seeing as how all the information I've found tells me that she lives in Ohio this claim strikes me as extremely odd. I've also noticed that lil' Evelyn seems to get sick A LOT (and even got so sick that the only way to transport her was by airlifting her to a hospital) and posts like this one suggest that a common issue with ES taters is that they have compromised immune systems, though that doesn't seem to stop Hannah from dragging Evelyn outside for photoshoots or letting her younger baby rip out her breathing apparatus.

As for her charity, this is what Hannah say their primary mission is:

The day a family finds out their child will have a lifetime of medical concerns or special needs can be the worst day of their life. We have been there. There is a process of grief to go through when families receive a new diagnosis. Sadness and even denial are often felt in realizing that there is something different about your child. You mourn the child you thought you would once have, and learn to embrace their new extra-ordinary life.
This is where we come in. After we partner with a Children’s Hospital, we will work closely with their Child Life specialists and Social Workers. These individuals will work with the new families in the hospital. The social workers will determine on a case to case basis when each family is emotionally ready to receive our gift and resources. This will start their ongoing relationship with Evelyn’s Treehouse.
One of our team members will be in contact with each family after they receive one of our resource bags. Our team will offer more emotional support and assistance in transitioning to life at home, whenever that may be.
The short-term assistance given through Evelyn’s Treehouse is there to make a long-term investment in showing the beauty of having a child with special needs. We will help families feel equipped in their new role.
With your help in supplying these gifts and resources to families, we are on mission that no family will feel alone.

And after a little digging to see what these gifts were (because hey, maybe they were giving these families really hard to afford shit like medicine or necessities like diapers) and after find this post on their charity instagram it looks like their idea of aiding families whose children have life-long debilitating conditions like brain cysts and malformed hearts is... a tote bag, a picture book, a beanie, soap my bad apparently that thing on the upper left corner is a swaddle, and a gift card to Panera Bread.

Because that doesn't feel back-handed or half-assed at all.

Also got curious as to how Evelyn looks when not in a still image and found this video, and while she isn't as potato-y as some of the other poor things in this thread there is something off about the way Evey can't seem to support her head by herself or the way that Hannah barely seems to notice or care.

 

[John Merston]

I'm not terribly familiar with Edwards Syndrome, but just from the description of brain cysts and missing half a heart it sounds horrific.

Assuming they don't die in infancy, just about all children with Edwards Syndrome remain at infant-level mental capacity for their entire lives. Children with mosaic form (some of their cells have the extra chromosome while others have a normal amount of chromosomes) are less severely affected, but those are very rare.

 

[Mrs Paul]

I don't buy that the doctor refused to treat her and almost forced her to have an abortion. I seriously, seriously think it's bullshit. They may have strongly cautioned that the child was not likely to survive, and reccomended having an abortion, but out right scheduling an abortion for her, and then dumping her as a patient? No way. That would be grounds for patient abandonment, I believe.

 

[The Husbando Collector]

I don't buy that the doctor refused to treat her and almost forced her to have an abortion. I seriously, seriously think it's bullshit. They may have strongly cautioned that the child was not likely to survive, and reccomended having an abortion, but out right scheduling an abortion for her, and then dumping her as a patient? No way. That would be grounds for patient abandonment, I believe.

Yeah I agree. That part seems extremely suspect, I'll bet my first born, potato or not, that was a lie or exaggeration to push her anti-abortion narrative and earn victim points and asspats from other fundies while she goes "WAAAAHHHH WAAAAAHHHH! I'm a victim of the mean old medical science and roe vs wade! WAAAAHHHH! SOMEONE PLEASE VALIDATE ME AND MY RETARD BABY BY SAYING IM A WONDERFULPERSON WAAAAHHHH!" (Ok, maybe not exactly that but you get my point). Fucking snake.

 

[One Man Bland]

I don't buy that the doctor refused to treat her and almost forced her to have an abortion. I seriously, seriously think it's bullshit. They may have strongly cautioned that the child was not likely to survive, and reccomended having an abortion, but out right scheduling an abortion for her, and then dumping her as a patient? No way. That would be grounds for patient abandonment, I believe.

It's especially suspect considering all evidence seems to point her residing in Ohio when this occurred. If fucking OHIO was telling you "For the love of God woman put the poor potato out of its misery" so much that they're scheduling the abortion for you (which I don't think happened, she more likely got a referral and then screamed at some poor doctor who had no clue what was going on), either your diagnosis is somehow way worse than what's been shown and you went on with it anyways or you're lying. Pick your poison honestly.

 

[AngelOfNoMercy]

There is a mom in a group I belong to with a child who has Harlequin Ichthyosis. Poor kid looks like he is constantly in pain.