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[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Weird Mueller didn't say, you know, I am referring this to Congress, or similar language? Would that potentially be legally actionable in case the entire investigation is revealed to be illegal?

Wtf is Mueller's game here? Why hold back instead of just recommending impeachment?

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

So do it, then. Go ahead, Nadler. Try and impeach him; see what happens.

I would remind the honorable Representative that impeachment lies with the Senate. For the nth fucking time.

No you don't get it. These wannabe impeachers don't actually want to get anything done, they want to pander to their base of easily led and overemotional morons who always want instant gratification.

When the Republicans in the Senate shut the impeachment proceedings down (assuming those proceedings come in the first place), the Democrats and their media allies can just cry crocodile tears about how partisan and unlawful and unreasonable the Republicans are being.

 

[AprilRains]

No you don't get it. These wannabe impeachers don't actually want to get anything done, they want to pander to their base of easily led and overemotional morons who always want instant gratification.

When the Republicans in the Senate shut the impeachment proceedings down (assuming those proceedings come in the first place), the Democrats and their media allies can just cry crocodile tears about how partisan and unlawful and unreasonable the Republicans are being.

I know. But sometimes I like to pretend that our lawmakers actually know a fucking thing about the law of the land. Clearly I'm not drinking enough.

 

[Tanner Glass]

I would remind the honorable Representative that impeachment lies with the Senate. For the nth fucking time.

They clearly realize this (not to single you out, but it keeps coming up).

They don't want to (or realize they actually can not) impeach Trump - they just want the narrative to look like Trump is impeachable and that the congressional Democrats are "fighting the good fight" to get him impeached. If Pelosi is not able to tard wrangle them into not proceeding with the impeachement, they'll try and spin it as "the Congress got it done but it was blocked by Trump's cronies in the Senate!"

They really think the average American can't see through the smoke and mirrors (and to everyone's surprise, they can) and this is doubly stupid because the Republicans tried this same stunt 20 years ago and it blew up in their faces hard. Bill Clinton got blown by an intern on the down low and still came away looking like the victim (which by left leaning 2019 standards is now actually a rape) and Democrats are going to try the same thing despite the fact that they spent two years trying to find anything that would make Trump look bad and came up with nothing.

 

[BR55]

Gonna have to hard disagree here.

Hitler invading Russia when he did and how he did was entirely down to the absolutely existential need for its resources, by far the most important being oil, which the German economy and German war machine were running out of fast, and which they had no way of getting more of thanks to the Royal Navy blockade. They were scheduled to run out in about 1942/1943 and if they ran out their hold over their occupied lands would be terminally shaken, and they would become a sitting duck for either a soviet invasion or a British/Commonwealth invasion/liberation of France which would then probably also trigger a soviet invasion.

And frankly even this desperate gamble was better planned out by Hitler than is traditionally believed, since his aim was a mad bull dash to the Caucasus to seize all the oil and other resources there, thus giving Germany all the fuel it needed for an indefinite war while terminally starving the Soviets of fuel and food. Unfortunately for him, his generals were of the opinion that all they needed to do to defeat Russia was seize Moscow, apparently forgetting the fact they would still have several thousand miles to fall back to and continue the war, and they disobeyed his orders and diverted troops from his main aim which turned germany's slim chance of victory into an absolute certainty of defeat once the attack on the Caucasus bogged down, as it could never regain its momentum and would only be pushed back from then on.

The real major fuckup Hitler made was trusting the foreign policy advise of a literal retard* regarding the British government/population's willingness for another war, which is why he planned out his conquest of the east with the explicit notion that Britain would never intervene and most crucially never blockade Germany's ports and starve them of the resources they needed for a protracted war.

* Seriously, it really cant be overstated how jawdroppingly terrible a diplomat and a foreign policy maker Von Ribbentrop was. Of all the bigwigs of the nazi government I think there is a very good argument that he is by far the one most responsible for the downfall of the Third Reich, just by how hilariously out of touch he was with the nations he was supposed to be the expert on, how autistically obsessed he was with his own personal grudges and fantasies at the expense of his nation's and leader's interests and needs, and how astonishingly obnoxious and repulsive he was to literally every foreign leader and ambassador he was supposed to charm and bring into an alliance with Germany.

This is super off topic but I just have to say that I'm not following the logic here.
You say Barbarossa was a gambit by Hitler to get vital supplies like oil and rare metals but starting a massive land war with the largest country on earth on the off chance that you might get your hands on said war material and might be able to win the protracted campaign that will follow doesn't really make sense and yes I'm aware who we're talking about here but still.
Thats also not getting into the fact that Hitler and the rest of the NSDAP 1, viewed the USSR as an imminent threat that needed to be dealt with and 2, made no bones about the fact that they wanted to exterminate the Slavs right along with the Jews.
Trying to claim that the Eastern Front was a necessary gamble by Hitler sounds an awful lot like an ass covering excuse made after the fact.
Barbarossa was a clusterfuck from the word "go". From the utterly pathetic logistics planning, but then again Germany was always shit at logistics Barbarossa is just when it really bit them in the ass, to the fact that it happened at all.
TLDR In my view the Eastern Front was the action of a compulsive gambler and racist and delusional ideologue not some 4d chess move to stave off German collapse.
I'm sorry for derailing the thread but I've seen Holden claim this before and it just makes me go WTF.

 

[Vorhtbame]

Since we're all wandering sort of off-topic...

Religious Right Boogeyman

Fred Phelps

Do not ever lump that blasphemous son of a bitch in with Billy Graham. Ever. Graham cared about what he was preaching, and the people he preached to, to the point where he sometimes (arguably) compromised the message so as to reach more people; Phelps only used the pretense of religion to instigate lawsuits for cash settlements, jettisoning the very spirit of our faith so as to be more divisive and get more attention. And to this day, he gets cited as a "reason" why Jesus Religion Bad, whereas Graham's good works are treated almost as if they were an accident.

The news media will make sure you see exactly what they need you to see, always have and always will.

Wtf is Mueller's game here? Why hold back instead of just recommending impeachment?

He's trying not to get his house burnt down when the riots start.

 

[Vorpal Blade]

Wtf is Mueller's game here? Why hold back instead of just recommending impeachment?

Plausible deniability? Deniable plausibility?

 

[Judge Holden]

This is super off topic but I just have to say that I'm not following the logic here.
You say Barbarossa was a gambit by Hitler to get vital supplies like oil and rare metals but starting a massive land war with the largest country on earth on the off chance that you might get your hands on said war material and might be able to win the protracted campaign that will follow doesn't really make sense and yes I'm aware who we're talking about here but still.

The largest country on earth which was not only certain in Hitlers mind, and probably in reality too, to make moves of attacking Germany the moment they sensed weakness, but had recently been humiliated by the Finns and was thus was not an impossible adversary in the minds of military planners.

And as I said before, they didnt really have any other options given how their only source for oil once Britain cut the sea off was Romania, and the piddling amount of oil there had to be stretched over the entire continent that germany needed to exploit for resources and labour. And if they ran out then their whole economy and war machine would just cease to exist overnight, causing total and certain collapse of Germany as a power in europe. They couldnt magically conjure up all that oil, all that food, all those rare minerals, and everything else they once relied on international trade for, so drastic and risky actions were considered and attempted.

Thats also not getting into the fact that Hitler and the rest of the NSDAP 1, viewed the USSR as an imminent threat that needed to be dealt with and 2, made no bones about the fact that they wanted to exterminate the Slavs right along with the Jews.

Yeah, and it would be a whole lot easier to deal with the soviets before germany ran out of oil and resources would it not? Hence why barbarossa happened when it did.

This is really the crux of the argument. If germany wanted to win before it ran out of resources and before the soviets had built up their strength for a proper war footing, they only had a very limited window for doing it. If they waited too long they would have run out of the resources needed for any major push into russia, and russia would have become that much tougher an opponent thus amplifying the disadvantage.

Trying to claim that the Eastern Front was a necessary gamble by Hitler sounds an awful lot like an ass covering excuse made after the fact.
Barbarossa was a clusterfuck from the word "go". From the utterly pathetic logistics planning, but then again Germany was always shit at logistics Barbarossa is just when it really bit them in the ass, to the fact that it happened at all.

Well either it was a desperate gamble Hitler and co made in the face of existential resource shortages, or hitler just randomly ordered the invasion for what amounted to shits and giggles and masturbatory fantasies of muh-reich, and just assumed everything would work out despite having done everything in his power in the decade beforehand to avoid a two front war specifically because it would make defeat extremely likely.

Also about those logistics, you ever wonder why Germany relied so much on horses for transport of men and materials? Horses dont need oil. The blitzkrieg attack on russia was always a desperate hail mary given how if the attack bogged down their fragile logistic lines would disintegrate and rob the attack of all momentum and ensure defeat. If they could not even gather up enough oil to move all their shit by truck, it helps illustrate how dire their situation was.

TLDR In my view the Eastern Front was the action of a compulsive gambler and racist and delusional ideologue not some 4d chess move to stave off German collapse.

Hardly a 4d chess move to see you are running out of resources and then try and take them from your main enemy in a surprise attack. Hitler was not a master strategist or anything of the sort, but he wasn't stupid. Nor was he naive enough to assume that "muh aryan super soldier" schtick would automatically win the war for him. If he was capable of bottling up his lebensraum obsession enough to ally with the USSR in taking Poland when it suited his interests and trading supplies with them, it stands to reason he would have probably only chosen to break this alliance if he had some actual reason for doing so

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

Hey, we're back on the ol'train off "Trump is tots Hitler guyz! Look at the comparison!" please have your tickets ready

/r/eeeeeesist had a thread just yesterday with the whole Trump/Hitler freakout.

I recon you guys are not as familiar with Germany history as one like me who went to school here in Germany, but let me say this: The parallels between Hitler's rise and Donald Trump are stupendous and scaring.

I bet: Next, he will try to extend his term beyond the permitted 8 years without having to be re-elected in 2020.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

That shirt was being worn by someone who never scared anyone but the manager of an all-you-can-eat buffer.

Come to think of it, the wearer was a somewhat overweight.

(I guess I'm out of the loop how you guessed that)

 

[Hux]

Since we're all wandering sort of off-topic...



Do not ever lump that blasphemous son of a bitch in with Billy Graham. Ever. Graham cared about what he was preaching, and the people he preached to, to the point where he sometimes (arguably) compromised the message so as to reach more people; Phelps only used the pretense of religion to instigate lawsuits for cash settlements, jettisoning the very spirit of our faith so as to be more divisive and get more attention. And to this day, he gets cited as a "reason" why Jesus Religion Bad, whereas Graham's good works are treated almost as if they were an accident.

The news media will make sure you see exactly what they need you to see, always have and always will.



He's trying not to get his house burnt down when the riots start.

I realize Graham and Phelps are leagues apart, the problem is that the Jesus Religion Bad, Mohammed Religion Good crowd doesn't. I have no doubt in my mind these people would be trying to MeToo Mr. Rogers were he damned to be alive today, given the chance

 

[ProgKing of the North]

I realize Graham and Phelps are leagues apart, the problem is that the Jesus Religion Bad, Mohammed Religion Good crowd doesn't. I have no doubt in my mind these people would be trying to MeToo Mr. Rogers were he damned to be alive today, given the chance

What about the “I don’t care what you believe, just leave me out of it and don’t make laws based around it” crowd?

 

[BR55]

The largest country on earth which was not only certain in Hitlers mind, and probably in reality too, to make moves of attacking Germany the moment they sensed weakness, but had recently been humiliated by the Finns and was thus was not an impossible adversary in the minds of military planners.

And as I said before, they didnt really have any other options given how their only source for oil once Britain cut the sea off was Romania, and the piddling amount of oil there had to be stretched over the entire continent that germany needed to exploit for resources and labour. And if they ran out then their whole economy and war machine would just cease to exist overnight, causing total and certain collapse of Germany as a power in europe. They couldnt magically conjure up all that oil, all that food, all those rare minerals, and everything else they once relied on international trade for, so drastic and risky actions were considered and attempted.



Yeah, and it would be a whole lot easier to deal with the soviets before germany ran out of oil and resources would it not? Hence why barbarossa happened when it did.

This is really the crux of the argument. If germany wanted to win before it ran out of resources and before the soviets had built up their strength for a proper war footing, they only had a very limited window for doing it. If they waited too long they would have run out of the resources needed for any major push into russia, and russia would have become that much tougher an opponent thus amplifying the disadvantage.



Well either it was a desperate gamble Hitler and co made in the face of existential resource shortages, or hitler just randomly ordered the invasion for what amounted to shits and giggles and masturbatory fantasies of muh-reich, and just assumed everything would work out despite having done everything in his power in the decade beforehand to avoid a two front war specifically because it would make defeat extremely likely.

Also about those logistics, you ever wonder why Germany relied so much on horses for transport of men and materials? Horses dont need oil. The blitzkrieg attack on russia was always a desperate hail mary given how if the attack bogged down their fragile logistic lines would disintegrate and rob the attack of all momentum and ensure defeat. If they could not even gather up enough oil to move all their shit by truck, it helps illustrate how dire their situation was.


Hardly a 4d chess move to see you are running out of resources and then try and take them from your main enemy in a surprise attack. Hitler was not a master strategist or anything of the sort, but he wasn't stupid. Nor was he naive enough to assume that "muh aryan super soldier" schtick would automatically win the war for him. If he was capable of bottling up his lebensraum obsession enough to ally with the USSR in taking Poland when it suited his interests and trading supplies with them, it stands to reason he would have probably only chosen to break this alliance if he had some actual reason for doing so

As enjoyable as this is, and I really do mean that, I'm only gonna post about this one more time to quit derailing the thread so here goes...
I can accept the premise that Hitler saw a need for oil and rare metals, although if you need oil why not just take British Iraq especially considering Germany was already fighting in North Africa?, but where I get cold feet is that Barbarossa was just so ill thought out.
Why was Germany not in Total War mode until after Stalingrad? Why was Germany's standing Reserve only at 300k compared to the USSR's millions? Why was Germany still not rationing? The answer is to maintain popular support but indulge me. If this really was an all or nothing last ditch attempt to secure vital resources then why was Germany not putting everything she had into the war effort?
The whole reason that Germany suffered so badly in the first winter, and the ones that followed to a lesser extent, was that they honestly believed they would win before the end of Summer 1941 and wouldn't need to fight in the winter.
If Germany truly needed to go to war with the Soviet Union as you say then it seems to me they were just fucked no matter what.
And to stay at least a little bit on topic.
Nadler is a fucking retarded individual and a massive hypocrite to boot.

 

[AprilRains]

Come to think of it, the wearer was a somewhat overweight.

(I guess I'm out of the loop how you guessed that)

In my experience, the people who talk the biggest game about punching Nazis are tubby fucks who would gas out after thirty seconds of an actual fight, followed by anorexic dorks whose hardest punch couldn't dent a lemon meringue pie.

What about the “I don’t care what you believe, just leave me out of it and don’t make laws based around it” crowd?

Apparently they're too wordy and can't meme. Huh, that's a coincidence.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Trump should get impeached so the White House doesn't smell stinky.

 

[TowinKarz]

Poor Nadler, blissfully unaware that his posturing will get him primary'd when the amped-up Never-Drumpf crowd gets tired of waiting for him to actually pull the trigger on impeachment and vote in someone who will.

 

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I'm sure they all miss you terribly.

This legitimately reads exactly like a Chris Chan post, down to The Random Capitalization.

 

[verissimus]

I would remind the honorable Representative that impeachment lies with the Senate. For the nth fucking time.

Exactly. Everything they're doing is meaningless to anyone who aren't part of their fanatical cult. He won't be tried and removed period. The most disgusting thing about their open display of contempt they have of the President and his administration is that they are setting a precedent for Republicans to act in kind should democrats win the White House.

 

[Flexo]

Do not ever lump that blasphemous son of a bitch in with Billy Graham. Ever. Graham cared about what he was preaching, and the people he preached to, to the point where he sometimes (arguably) compromised the message so as to reach more people; Phelps only used the pretense of religion to instigate lawsuits for cash settlements, jettisoning the very spirit of our faith so as to be more divisive and get more attention. And to this day, he gets cited as a "reason" why Jesus Religion Bad, whereas Graham's good works are treated almost as if they were an accident.

Did you know Phelps did a lot of early civil rights work, especially working as a defense attorney for blacks?

I have a friend who will admit to one conspiracy theory (which he also admits can never be proven). It goes something like... Phelps at some point realized that a cartoonishly evil villain can do more to persuade americans than all the inspiring figures combined - so he deliberately played his part to help fast track gay rights.

I keep telling him it's crazy but some nights when I get blind stinkin' sober...

I realize Graham and Phelps are leagues apart, the problem is that the Jesus Religion Bad, Mohammed Religion Good crowd doesn't. I have no doubt in my mind these people would be trying to MeToo Mr. Rogers were he damned to be alive today, given the chance

Well he did have his hands up a lot of women's dresses.

(They were puppets see...)

What about the “I don’t care what you believe, just leave me out of it and don’t make laws based around it” crowd?

I propose the "Ezekiel 3" treaty. (Or zeke3treat for short). For those who don't know it off the top of their head, Ezekiel 3, verses 18 & 19 say:

When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for[b]their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways, they will die for their sin; but you will have saved yourself.

So if a Christian wants to bother you, you can just say, "zeke3." Or the more formal, "zeke3, I know and absolve you of any duties to warn me." If they don't know it off the top of their heads, you can escape while they look it up.

Maybe if it spreads, we can make t-shirts. Like a reverse Jesus fish symbol for "leave me alone."

Besides, we robots will be settling you meatbags' afterlife debates very soon....

 

[Ruin]

I think my favorite part of the Trump presidency is pretentious twats who fancy themselves intellectuals getting mercilessly and repeatedly dunked on by a guy they insist is a drooling moron.

It never gets old.