Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

Fully agree. Without powerleveling too much,
No, you are powerleveling too much. Stop.

That fatties are fat because they eat too fucking much is a given. Everybody knows this; we really don't need your personal story about being a fat fuck who, unlike the Fat Acceptance crowd, happens to be a Good Fatty because she knows she eats too fucking much (for reasons). Nobody cares, and this thread isn't about you.

We do have members here at the Farms who, due to their education, career, or other personal circumstances, have knowledge about a given situation that other Kiwis generally don't, and it's okay to share it in order to provide additional insight into a particular cow's (or cow community's) folly. However, they present their relevant, specialized knowledge with as few personal details as possible because they are not posting about themselves. This is an important distinction, and I strongly recommend you lurk more until you can figure it out.
 
No, you are powerleveling too much. Stop.

That fatties are fat because they eat too fucking much is a given. Everybody knows this; we really don't need your personal story about being a fat fuck who, unlike the Fat Acceptance crowd, happens to be a Good Fatty because she knows she eats too fucking much (for reasons). Nobody cares, and this thread isn't about you.

We do have members here at the Farms who, due to their education, career, or other personal circumstances, have knowledge about a given situation that other Kiwis generally don't, and it's okay to share it in order to provide additional insight into a particular cow's (or cow community's) folly. However, they present their relevant, specialized knowledge with as few personal details as possible because they are not posting about themselves. This is an important distinction, and I strongly recommend you lurk more until you can figure it out.
Fair enough.
 

I'm not convinced Jes Baker would be "attractive" even if she were 110 lbs. Her face is unfortunate and looks a little Downsy to me.
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No one wanted to look, but Jes gave them no choice! Just more flagrant attention whoring and exhibitionism masquerading as "activism." Save it for a slut walk.
 
I'm not convinced Jes Baker would be "attractive" even if she were 110 lbs. Her face is unfortunate and looks a little Downsy to me.
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No one wanted to look, but Jes gave them no choice! Just more flagrant attention whoring and exhibitionism masquerading as "activism." Save it for a slut walk.
Downs or FAS but something isn’t genetically normal about that face.
 
Downs or FAS but something isn’t genetically normal about that face.
I used to think so too, until I saw Virgie Tovar, who makes almost anyone look like a supermodel by comparison. My barometer of how bad one's facial situation is is to imagine what could be done with them when given access to a professional makeup artist and stylist. I think Jes could be made up to be reasonably cute, whereas I think even the best professional MUA would take one look at Virgie and say, "That canvas is fucked beyond repair, I'm outta here."

That being said, I kinda wish Jes had a thread here back in the day because she was pretty lulzy, what with hiring male models to pose with her and being the laziest patreon creator ever. Unfortunately she's pretty boring now, she mostly seems to just re-post other people's content on insta.
 
"I’ve been a Star Trek fan almost my entire life. I think I was 8 years old when I watched my first episode, and I’m now almost 40. In all that time, I have yet to see someone who looks like me on the show. I’ve always wanted to be in Starfleet, but all evidence points to me not being welcome there."

Holy autism.

It's a TV/movie franchise. Just enjoy it and STFU.
First off it’s just a work of fiction. Second, Starfleet is an elite, well trained, disciplined group of essentially soldiers. They aren’t meant to have to fight, but they know how to which means they are in top physical condition. Why in fucking hell would they have a size 30 lardass on crew? What would that character bring to the plot? So fucking stupid.
 
First off it’s just a work of fiction. Second, Starfleet is an elite, well trained, disciplined group of essentially soldiers. They aren’t meant to have to fight, but they know how to which means they are in top physical condition. Why in fucking hell would they have a size 30 lardass on crew? What would that character bring to the plot? So fucking stupid.
There actually was an episode in Next Generation where Troi tries to order a really fatty sundae and the replicator pretty much says no unlesss you override my safety controls. I could have sworn there was also an episode in one of the series where the doctor of it commented that obesity was obselete.
 
"I’ve been a Star Trek fan almost my entire life. I think I was 8 years old when I watched my first episode, and I’m now almost 40. In all that time, I have yet to see someone who looks like me on the show. I’ve always wanted to be in Starfleet, but all evidence points to me not being welcome there."

Holy autism.

It's a TV/movie franchise. Just enjoy it and STFU.

Well the answer is quite simple, they would be too fat to fit in the turbolifts.

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There actually was an episode in Next Generation where Troi tries to order a really fatty sundae and the replicator pretty much says no unlesss you override my safety controls. I could have sworn there was also an episode in one of the series where the doctor of it commented that obesity was obselete.

I don't recall offhand whether any of the doctors ever said that about obesity, but I do remember the sundae comment. It's from a third season episode, "The Price". That pretty much is what the computer tells her.


It's made pretty clear on multiple occasions in the Star Trek universe that unhealthy substances (especially addictive substances) are not considered acceptable by Federation society. In "Time's Arrow" from the sixth season of TNG, Mark Twain ends up on the Enterprise-D (yes, this is a thing that happens, yay time travel episodes) and finds out that the replicators refuse to create a cigar for him. All the drinks served on Federation ships are composed of synthehol, an alcohol substitute with no addictive or poisonous properties and a buzz that can be dismissed with a mental effort. So it makes sense that the same mindset would extend to food.

That stupid bitch has a lot of gall calling herself a Star Trek fan while simultaneously whining about the lack of deathfats depicted on the show. Either she completely missed or is deliberately ignoring one of the biggest running themes in the Star Trek universe.

From the very beginning Star Trek has sat on the utopian end of the sci-fi genre spectrum (at least as far as the Federation is concerned, and Earth in particular). Creator Gene Roddenberry's hopeful vision of the future had its roots in the optimistic futurism of the 1960s. His fictional universe was based on the premise that not only would humanity survive its darkest hour (including the Eugenics Wars, World War III, and the Post-Atomic Horror that followed WWIII's nuclear exchanges), but said darkest hour would make humanity finally realize the folly of warring with itself in the first place. He saw all of Earth finally uniting under one banner of planet-wide peace, and all the resources that used to be spent on war and death instead being spent on the people, on life.

By the TNG/DS9/Voyager era in the fictional 24th century, Roddenberry's universe encompassed a post-scarcity society. On Earth (and in the Federation at large), there is no hunger, no poverty, no pollution, no violence, no want, no fear. Everyone has free access to unlimited clean water, healthy food (including nutritionally enhanced versions of normally unhealthy foods created by replicators), safe and comfortable housing, clothing that always fits you perfectly, near instantaneous transportation methods, amazing health care, quality education, etc. No one has to work shitty jobs anymore to scrape together enough money to live, because money doesn't exist (again, within the Federation, other societies in Star Trek are different) and all your needs are provided for you. While employment isn't necessary, citizens are still encouraged to be active and do something with their time, but the focus of such activities is on self-actualization.

In this kind of society, how could deathfats ever exist? Every environmental factor people blame for weight gain is gone. All the free food you order from a replicator fits a healthy diet. So many of the life stressors that can cause people to gain weight have been eliminated. Everyone in the Federation has access to the same top-flight level of medical care and education. There's no huge corporations pushing self-destructive eating habits for profit. There's no stigma about getting treatment for mental health issues. If you need to get exercise, you can do it in complete privacy and in any environment you choose thanks to the holodeck, complete with a hot and 100% supportive personal trainer of your choice.

Not to mention the science of the fictional 24th century has cured everything from the common cold to the rarest of cancers. Curing obesity would be child's play by comparison--especially since obesity would be treated like the health problem it is and not the 'lifestyle' FA/HAES people proclaim it to be. After all, no one achieves self-actualization by becoming bedbound.

If that bitch wants to be mad that there would be no one like her--and no one would want to be like her--in a literal Paradise on Earth scenario, then that says a lot more about her than it does about Star Trek.
 
Unless you have a legitimate medical condition where no matter what you do, you can't lose weight, your only excuse is that you're lazy.
These "conditions" don't exist. There are conditions that may lower your metabolism, yes. But that doesn't mean losing weight is impossible, that just means your TDEE will be lower than it would be if you didn't have that "condition".
 
If that bitch wants to be mad that there would be no one like her--and no one would want to be like her--in a literal Paradise on Earth scenario, then that says a lot more about her than it does about Star Trek.

I'm enough of a sci-fi geek to have rated your post "like" rather than "informative," but regarding your last sentence here: I have seen similar arguments from other types of disabled people, though I cannot find specific examples right now --- like, if you imagine a future society where deafness can be cured so that EVERYONE enjoys the full human range of hearing, certain "deafness activists" will not respond by saying "Hooray, medical science will be able to fix whatever is broken"; instead, they respond by ranting about, like, "You're saying the ideal society is one where deaf people are EXTINCT??!"

So, yeah -- it's pretty telling that this food addict would watch Star Trek and think "Waaah, people like me wouldn't exist in Starfleet" rather than "Wow, people like me wouldn't be so morbidly obese in Starfleet!" Next up: teenagers with bad acne express outrage over noticing that Starfleet has apparently discovered the cure for pimples. "Waaah! There's no room for people like me in this golden future!"
 
I don't recall offhand whether any of the doctors ever said that about obesity, but I do remember the sundae comment. It's from a third season episode, "The Price". That pretty much is what the computer tells her.


It's made pretty clear on multiple occasions in the Star Trek universe that unhealthy substances (especially addictive substances) are not considered acceptable by Federation society. In "Time's Arrow" from the sixth season of TNG, Mark Twain ends up on the Enterprise-D (yes, this is a thing that happens, yay time travel episodes) and finds out that the replicators refuse to create a cigar for him. All the drinks served on Federation ships are composed of synthehol, an alcohol substitute with no addictive or poisonous properties and a buzz that can be dismissed with a mental effort. So it makes sense that the same mindset would extend to food.

That stupid bitch has a lot of gall calling herself a Star Trek fan while simultaneously whining about the lack of deathfats depicted on the show. Either she completely missed or is deliberately ignoring one of the biggest running themes in the Star Trek universe.

From the very beginning Star Trek has sat on the utopian end of the sci-fi genre spectrum (at least as far as the Federation is concerned, and Earth in particular). Creator Gene Roddenberry's hopeful vision of the future had its roots in the optimistic futurism of the 1960s. His fictional universe was based on the premise that not only would humanity survive its darkest hour (including the Eugenics Wars, World War III, and the Post-Atomic Horror that followed WWIII's nuclear exchanges), but said darkest hour would make humanity finally realize the folly of warring with itself in the first place. He saw all of Earth finally uniting under one banner of planet-wide peace, and all the resources that used to be spent on war and death instead being spent on the people, on life.

By the TNG/DS9/Voyager era in the fictional 24th century, Roddenberry's universe encompassed a post-scarcity society. On Earth (and in the Federation at large), there is no hunger, no poverty, no pollution, no violence, no want, no fear. Everyone has free access to unlimited clean water, healthy food (including nutritionally enhanced versions of normally unhealthy foods created by replicators), safe and comfortable housing, clothing that always fits you perfectly, near instantaneous transportation methods, amazing health care, quality education, etc. No one has to work shitty jobs anymore to scrape together enough money to live, because money doesn't exist (again, within the Federation, other societies in Star Trek are different) and all your needs are provided for you. While employment isn't necessary, citizens are still encouraged to be active and do something with their time, but the focus of such activities is on self-actualization.

In this kind of society, how could deathfats ever exist? Every environmental factor people blame for weight gain is gone. All the free food you order from a replicator fits a healthy diet. So many of the life stressors that can cause people to gain weight have been eliminated. Everyone in the Federation has access to the same top-flight level of medical care and education. There's no huge corporations pushing self-destructive eating habits for profit. There's no stigma about getting treatment for mental health issues. If you need to get exercise, you can do it in complete privacy and in any environment you choose thanks to the holodeck, complete with a hot and 100% supportive personal trainer of your choice.

Not to mention the science of the fictional 24th century has cured everything from the common cold to the rarest of cancers. Curing obesity would be child's play by comparison--especially since obesity would be treated like the health problem it is and not the 'lifestyle' FA/HAES people proclaim it to be. After all, no one achieves self-actualization by becoming bedbound.

If that bitch wants to be mad that there would be no one like her--and no one would want to be like her--in a literal Paradise on Earth scenario, then that says a lot more about her than it does about Star Trek.
Yeah but what about Scotty

Also didn’t the creator also say that in the ST future, humans have cured the gays or whatnot?

Regardless, i think she’s bent out of shape over no morbidly obese people on the Enterprise simply because she looks to sci-fi to mentally escape the reality of her situation, and the blatant lack of people her size in that show only serves to keep reminding her. She’s not mad that she isn’t represented, she’s mad that the lack of representation is obvious and keeps reminding her of her own self-loathing, such that she can’t sufficiently access total escapism.
 
Yeah but what about Scotty

Also didn’t the creator also say that in the ST future, humans have cured the gays or whatnot?

Regardless, i think she’s bent out of shape over no morbidly obese people on the Enterprise simply because she looks to sci-fi to mentally escape the reality of her situation, and the blatant lack of people her size in that show only serves to keep reminding her. She’s not mad that she isn’t represented, she’s mad that the lack of representation is obvious and keeps reminding her of her own self-loathing, such that she can’t sufficiently access total escapism.

Scotty did get pretty portly by Star Trek VI, can't argue with that. To be fair he was like five minutes from officially retiring when that movie started.

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When he showed up in his most 'recent' appearance timeline-wise in the Next Generation episode "Relics", he was 100% retired, years older, and a bit heavier.

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He never got to deathfat level. In fact, despite what that stupid bitch said in her whine-rant, there have been a number of heavier characters (not super morbidly obese, but stocky or with visible guts) featured in Star Trek episodes over the years who were not villains. Some of them were written in positively heroic roles. They were not members of Starfleet though, but instead various flavors of civilian from both inside and outside the Federation.

You might be right about why the lack of deathfat 'representation' in Star Trek upsets her. I think a lot of fat acceptance types push for 'representation' in media because they want to normalize the deathfat state purely for the protection of their own egos. If being a deathfat becomes 'normal', then they can shield themselves more against the hurtful truth that they're killing themselves with food. They're just a 'normal' person, after all, nothing unusual here!

And no, Gene Roddenberry didn't have a "cure the gays" mentality (though reportedly he was not a fan of the very popular Kirk/Spock slash fic that started going around the fandom in the 70s because he didn't see his characters that way). According to multiple sources (including George Takei and Gene Roddenberry's son Rod), he was a supporter of LGBT equality.


However, Star Trek took a good long while to touch on that subject because of the real world controversy around it. (And when the various creatives involved in the more modern series did try to address it they often made a cringy mess of it, but that's a whole rant on its own!)
 
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