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[Nontransferable]

Vic has admitted to being demanding with staff at times in an effort to improve the fan's experience at these events. In the video linked below, he gives a couple examples,

- Asking for a bigger room when 200 people want to get into a Q&A session that seats 40 people.
- Scheduling him to sign autographs for only an hour when the line is already three hours long and the staff suggesting that they simply say sorry to everyone waiting to meet him.

Vic being shadowbanned for being rude with the staff isn't even that big of a deal. Why anyone cares is because there are those out that who are equating Vic not appearing at a convention to mean that he was banned with the reason being that he did something illegal.

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[Zero Day Defense]

Why are there so many beta orbiters around these fat chicks?

That's how gravity works

 

[Markorian]

Vic has admitted to being demanding with staff at times in an effort to improve the fan's experience at these events. In the video linked below, he gives a couple examples,

- Asking for a bigger room when 200 people want to get into a Q&A session that seats 40 people.
- Scheduling him to sign autographs for only an hour when the line is already three hours long and the staff suggesting that they simply say sorry to everyone waiting to meet him.

While music isn't 100% analogous to the con scene, I've learned from working for bands/concert venues that 90% or more of rumors of so and so being a diva are actually cases of lazy staff being forced by this person to do their jobs properly. Probably the most famous story of rockstar divas is the "bowl of only blue m&ms" story, but what you don't usually hear is that things like that are slipped into contracts to see exactly how close the venue is following instructions, which if they can't get a greenroom snack right, you can't trust them with pyrotechnics a few feet away from you.

 

[mindlessobserver]

It was also pointed out very early in this thread that Guests to conventions often put some nit picky bullshit clause in their contracts, like Van Halen's "A bowl of M&M's with no Brown ones in it" backstage. The reason for that is these conventions or a music concert are a two way thing. If its poorly managed then it risks the guests own reputation to be associated with it. Requiring a bowl of M&M's with no brown ones in it allows for the contracted guest to know the people putting on the event know what they are doing and are attempting to keep up their end of the contract. Because if they don't meet their contractually required order to remove the Brown M&M's the question must be asked what else they are not doing that they should be doing. Which is a pretty big fucking deal.

The fact that con staff complain about their guests being demanding is just another indication of how amateur the Anime industry in the USA is in general. The fact that Funimation made legal and contractual mistakes your local bar/music venue on main street would never make just shows that. Much of this stuff is standard business practices done by literally any corporation be it Warner Bros or Moe's Bar.

 

[Monkey Prick]

For all the (earned) skepticism that the allegations against Vic have gotten, I'd need SOME kind of detail beyond a rando YouTube comment to verify this. A guest's "staff" is ALWAYS a crew specifically assigned to handle them because there's a whole bunch of randos that can't keep themselves from sperg'ing in front of a "celebrity". The most likely scenario is that the cousin that "was suppose to stay with him" went running off to have fun and then came back and rando staff who didn't know her from psycho, milkshake-throwing hosebeast says "no access" and they need to work it all out later. EVERYONE is "just here to see X" when they get denied. Hell, my personal favorite story is seeing people on convention forums saying "bring X to a convention, I'd do ANYTHING to see them" con response: "X was here LAST year" person: "yeah, but I didn't go last year".

Have you ever worked retail? Do you know how much melodramatic bullshit customer service is? Because that's what cons are dialed up to 11. There are (not kidding) autistic morons that HONESTLY believe certain state or federal LAWS do not apply once you're on convention property. Like it's some fantasy land sovereign state that allows teenagers to do anything they want.

I worked non anime/comic conventions, most con staff are lazy faggots who just want to stand around and direct visitors to the bathrooms. Being a volunteer and acting pissy when the guest who people are paying to see is a bit of a cunt is the epitome of thinking above your station.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

After thinking about the losers vit from Know Your Meme and Penguintruth from Twitter trying to reach anyone to slander Vic,
I came up with the idea of translating @mindlessobserver's op into German and posting the translation into International Clique.
Even if the post only reaches 10 german weebs who were not aware of the situation, I think that the translated thread has done its job.
But before I do this, I want to ask what you all think about it.

Also @BigRuler and @Stoneheart as fellow germans what are your thoughts?
My English is limited(writing), but the translation into German is not a problem.

 

[MAPK phosphatase]

Probably the most famous story of rockstar divas is the "bowl of only blue m&ms" story, but what you don't usually hear is that things like that are slipped into contracts to see exactly how close the venue is following instructions, which if they can't get a greenroom snack right, you can't trust them with pyrotechnics a few feet away from you.

That was Van Halen requesting a bowl of M&M's with all the brown ones removed.

And like you said, for them it was a way to determine whether they needed to completely re-examine the on-stage lighting to make sure the venue did it right, because often times there would be legitimate safety concerns for both the band and the fans due to the scale of show they were putting on that was quite literally unlike anything else at the time.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

So after learning about Anime North's conduct in 2010 and how they shadowbanned Vic for trying to make the con experience more comfortable for his fans, then knowing that they invited Mike "Fat Man Who Cried 'Nazi'" Toole as a guest really tells me what kind of operation they are running (seriously, who demanded the con to invite Mike Toole as a guest?).
If anyone gets banned from Anime North, they should wear it as a badge of honor...... or a patch (@ShortRound).

 

[mindlessobserver]

After thinking about the losers vit from Know Your Meme and Penguintruth from Twitter trying to reach anyone to slander Vic,
I came up with the idea of translating @mindlessobserver's op into German and posting the translation into International Clique.
Even if the post only reaches 10 german weebs who were not aware of the situation, I think that the translated thread has done its job.
But before I do this, I want to ask what you all think about it.

Also @BigRuler and @Stoneheart as fellow germans what are your thoughts?
My English is limited(writing), but the translation into German is not a problem.

Go for it my dude. Boosting the signal is good.

 

[Kosher Salt]

Also, unsure if this has been linked yet, but this was leaked on Twitter and if this is real, Vic's lawyers are fucking incompetent.

Ah yes, that. I cannot fucking wait for MoRon to try to argue that all of his factual claims about Vic were blatant lies and exaggerations, and he should not be held liable for saying them. We'll see how well that goes for him.

See, if all of his defamatory tweets were just exaggerated jokes, all that establishes is that Ron's a liar who cannot be trusted. And it makes his tortious interference look a lot worse.

But sure, keep thinking that BHBH are incompetent for forcing MoRon to respond with "well that's not literally true."

 

[Stoneheart]

My English is limited(writing), but the translation into German is not a problem.

go for it. if you have nothing better to do.

as fellow germans

dont out me---

 

[xyz741]

I worked non anime/comic conventions, most con staff are lazy faggots who just want to stand around and direct visitors to the bathrooms. Being a volunteer and acting pissy when the guest who people are paying to see is a bit of a cunt is the epitome of thinking above your station.

Most of the con staff complaints I saw about Vic were that volunteers didn't follow the right procedure AND Vic was an asshole about it at some point. Like "I bought Vic a starbucks and he didn't pay me back". The obvious answer is "no shit Sherlock, it wasn't your job to buy it" or "go get reimbursed from the con, because they're paying for his shit". But If you don't buy it (because it's not your job) then the guest gets pissy and complains to anyone who will listen that you're not taking care of them and if you go to some person of authority looking for reimbursement, they're gonna ask why the hell YOU were buying anything since THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB..
I've worked for conventions all across the country and here's a dirty secret: ALL the groups at conventions are filled with assholes; staff, guests, vendors and yes, the paying public. And MOST of those lazy faggots directing visitors only payment is a free badge, but EVERYONE (in ALL levels) are looking for someone to blame for any of their aggravations, and no matter which group you want to point the finger at, you're PROBABLY right. But if you ask ANY of these people, they themselves were 100% pleasant and reasonable. Hell, look at Dominque Skye, I'm sure she'd tell you staff were assholes and she was nothing but a delight to KC.

 

[RodgerDodger]

It's been a few months but I do remember it being mentioned that he got pissed at staff due to either kicking out his +1 or something to that effect. There's another story of him showing up to a con and something that was in his contract wasn't upheld (might even be the con forgot to book his hotel room for him and obviously the place was full).

Everytime I hear one of these "Vic is a diva to con staff" stories it always ends up being something like that, isn't their a story about him ranting about not being able to get his pizza or something too? Looking at how long he works his lines for at cons with no breaks I'd cut the dude some slack, working 7+ hours straight with no lunch break would make me want to punt a kitten into orbit.

It was also pointed out very early in this thread that Guests to conventions often put some nit picky bullshit clause in their contracts, like Van Halen's "A bowl of M&M's with no Brown ones in it" backstage. The reason for that is these conventions or a music concert are a two way thing. If its poorly managed then it risks the guests own reputation to be associated with it. Requiring a bowl of M&M's with no brown ones in it allows for the contracted guest to know the people putting on the event know what they are doing and are attempting to keep up their end of the contract. Because if they don't meet their contractually required order to remove the Brown M&M's the question must be asked what else they are not doing that they should be doing. Which is a pretty big fucking deal.

The fact that con staff complain about their guests being demanding is just another indication of how amateur the Anime industry in the USA is in general. The fact that Funimation made legal and contractual mistakes your local bar/music venue on main street would never make just shows that. Much of this stuff is standard business practices done by literally any corporation be it Warner Bros or Moe's Bar.

I wish I could find it back in the thousands of pages and links. But somewhere in this mess there was a quiet revelation from one of these con complainers that the typical point of friction with Vic, the Diva like behavior, the thing from his contracts that the cons or staff kept ignoring and he would not tolerate, was his requirement for a room or space on Sunday Morning to hold his little Bible group. That's his big sin. The requirement that he be allocated space to do that is in his contracts. The cons blow it off. And he gets really bitchy when they do. Some of the other stories of misbehavior, such as Vic holding a loud crowded fan gathering in the hotel lobby to piss off the con, are all over that same point. Vic raising a stink about someone else failing to vacate the room, etc. It's all over that Sunday Morning requirement, that they sign, then seek to ignore. It all comes back to Vic being a devout Christian and seeking to practice and share his faith. And it really seems to infuriate the snowflakes just how popular and well attended his Bible groups, where he does bible readings in anime character voices, are.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Most of the con staff complaints I saw about Vic were that volunteers didn't follow the right procedure AND Vic was an asshole about it at some point. Like "I bought Vic a starbucks and he didn't pay me back". The obvious answer is "no shit Sherlock, it wasn't your job to buy it" or "go get reimbursed from the con, because they're paying for his shit". But If you don't buy it (because it's not your job) then the guest gets pissy and complains to anyone who will listen that you're not taking care of them and if you go to some person of authority looking for reimbursement, they're gonna ask why the hell YOU were buying anything since THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB..
I've worked for conventions all across the country and here's a dirty secret: ALL the groups at conventions are filled with assholes; staff, guests, vendors and yes, the paying public. And MOST of those lazy faggots directing visitors only payment is a free badge, but EVERYONE (in ALL levels) are looking for someone to blame for any of their aggravations, and no matter which group you want to point the finger at, you're PROBABLY right. But if you ask ANY of these people, they themselves were 100% pleasant and reasonable. Hell, look at Dominque Skye, I'm sure she'd tell you staff were assholes and she was nothing but a delight to KC.

Which again highlights the amateur hour of it. You dont see similar shenanigans at a music concert. Both the event sponsor and the acts know what is required of them and there is a threat of legal and reputational murder for either side not following through. A concert will have a fixer for the acts who will handle any last minute requests. Either to fulfill them because it ain't no thing (like a coffee) or tell them to fuck off because it's a hassle and there is no obligation for the event to do it. The staff are also paid usually. Minimum wage of course, but it's to avoid stupid and reinforce you are there to work, not see the show. That is just a benefit for working there.

 

[ShortRound]

So after learning about Anime North's conduct in 2010 and how they shadowbanned Vic for trying to make the con experience more comfortable for his fans, then knowing that they invited Mike "Fat Man Who Cried 'Nazi'" Toole as a guest really tells me what kind of operation they are running (seriously, who demanded the con to invite Mike Toole as a guest?).
If anyone gets banned from Anime North, they should wear it as a badge of honor...... or a patch (@ShortRound).

I can sketch something up

 

[xyz741]

Which again highlights the amateur hour of it. You dont see similar shenanigans at a music concert. Both the event sponsor and the acts know what is required of them and there is a threat of legal and reputational murder for either side not following through. A concert will have a fixer for the acts who will handle any last minute requests. Either to fulfill them because it ain't no thing (like a coffee) or tell them to fuck off because it's a hassle and there is no obligation for the event to do it. The staff are also paid usually. Minimum wage of course, but it's to avoid stupid and reinforce you are there to work, not see the show. That is just a benefit for working there.

Sure, the other side of that too tho, is that when 100 people are screaming that they wanna go backstage to meet the band, the paid staff likewise has zero issue telling them to fuck off and their ticket to see the show doesn't give them any special access privileges. Conventions are this weird hybrid which is why you have people at all levels thinking the other levels are screwing things up.

I wish I could find it back in the thousands of pages and links. But somewhere in this mess there was a quiet revelation from one of these con complainers that the typical point of friction with Vic, the Diva like behavior, the thing from his contracts that the cons or staff kept ignoring and he would not tolerate, was his requirement for a room or space on Sunday Morning to hold his little Bible group.

I'm torn on the believability of this. On the one hand, there's a ton of anti-Christian pricks all throughout anime (and other) fandom. OTOH, most con people party it up Saturday night till a good ways into the AM, and as a result, between worn out con-goers and mandatory checkout times, Sunday mornings are usually DEAD. Half the time cons would be BEGGING for something to fill a Sunday morning timeslot so I find it hard to believe Vic would be told "nothing available" for Sunday morning. MORE likely, they put his Bible study next to some loud or obnoxious panel/event that made it difficult or impossible to have a pleasant bible study session. I'd also TOTALLY believe that a bunch of spergs would try to disrupt his bible study screaming "homophobe" at him or something and staff did little to nothing to help.

 

[Slab Bulkhead]

I believe (in Shane's discord) one of the users had mentioned he worked at a convention that Vic volunteered to go to at no cost as a guest (vic had offered to pay for his own travel and rooming expenses I believe) and the con turned him down. Why? Because Vic was too popular, and that the added surge of guests that would come just to see Vic (an estimated 1.5-2000 guests) would put the con over capacity and likely get it shut down by the fire marshal since it was already somewhat close to capacity.

To me this sounds believable and I'm inclined to believe most of these "I work at a small con story and we banned Vic!" stories, if they happened at all, are actually along these lines. Vic offered to attend a con, con owner said no, con staff take that to mean Vic is banned at the con.

 

[feral cat #6385]

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I'm beginning to think this guy might have issues.

 

[Army Burger]

I'm beginning to think this guy might have issues.

His Twitter account would indicate that he has plenty of them.

 

[feral cat #6385]

His Twitter account would indicate that he has plenty of them.

Now now. Let's not jump to conclusions. Maybe he has just had a few bad days here and there. Like on days ending in y.