Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[RodgerDodger]

Just wanna point out that he averages something like a post and a quarter per day on that forum for the past 15 years. Does this guy do anything aside from rage into the void about anime?

You do realize that this is pretty much par for the course for this all to deep and rich repository of online autism that we know as "The Farms". Although to give credit, even by normal farms standards the Weebs in general seem extra fucking retarded. I can only imagine that should any of this hit the main stream the normies will look approvingly at both sides, then simply opt to kill it all with atomic fire. Let God, Karma or the Flying Spaghetti Monster sort it all out in the next life.

 

[AnOminous]

Wait. What if Greg were to file the ethics complaint with the details of wire fraud and using the email as evidence? Nick has said in the past the details in an ethics complaint is non-actionable, but would they be able to strip the privilege of the ethics complaint if it could prove civil conspiracy with other individuals?

You can't sue over them because most places, such complaints are absolutely privileged. You don't want people deterred from filing legitimate complaints because some wealthy lawyer would just sue everyone who reported him. But if you actually commit material fraud, that's an actual crime. It's just one they almost never actually go after anyone for.

But it would be up to the state. The subject of the complaint couldn't do a thing about it, other than conceivably report the person who filed it to their own bar association if they were also a lawyer, and the other bar association would probably look at it as a slapfight between two lawyers and decline to intervene.

Note I haven't actually done any research about this in Minnesota, it might be different there, but Nick seems to think more or less the same. My only uncertainty is whether the immunity is absolute or whether it can be breached in extreme circumstances.

 

[Commander]

People like this and really this entire shitshow really really shows how far this social cancer has spread and how long it has been left to fester. This is a situation where a guy who, in the grand scheme of things, is a niche-at-best celebrity who decided to protect his reputation using due process under the law. And what is the response to this very reasonable course of action? Absolute rabid spergery. It's the type of spergery you see from cult members who will literally sacrifice their life for "the greater good". I know that Ty fashions himself a war gamer or a strategist, but you cannot strategize against a force that acts without rational self-interest.

The war game here is a bit odd. If I were playing the tactician I would play it quiet and watch. That sounds counter productive as the screeching harpies are what caused damage in the first place. Any sane person would shut up the minute they are served papers and be very afraid of what's to come. Not sperge more on the Internet. This has to do with the hivemind mentality and when the "Queen" is gone the hive flies around in a frenzy until someone new takes the wheel. With Greg being Greg, I think Ty would be more than happy dragging Greg to court over this as it'd absolutely destroy KV siding with pretty much a crook in a way. That's just the dream. The target I'd go after is Marzgurl which I'm sure we could find $200,000 worth of damages from all she's done. I hope you're ready to fork over another 200k for your lawyer as well as you need it.

When would I do it? Right after the depositions of Monica and Toye. Marzgurl is their "Queen" right now and will especially be seeing as she's a random citizen fighting for justice and everyone will be rooting for her to "win" and beat Vic. And I'd make a Tweet to Marzgurl I'd like to "Be in Touch" with her lawyer that she retained from the GoFundMe since she should have them on hand right away. As much as I want Sabat, RT, and Schemmel to be sued, I know she's the one to go for next in this unusual game.

 

[TexOffender]

suing this broke fatty who has to crowdfund a fucking oil change for her car is pointless. she has no assets, so there is nothing you can collect if you win

Sticking her with a judgement she can't get out of would send a message. Can't defame people on the internet (or otherwise) and mess with their lives.

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

suing this broke fatty who has to crowdfund a fucking oil change for her car is pointless. she has no assets, so there is nothing you can collect if you win

Still worth it to sue her. As someone mentioned earlier, wage garnishment for the rest of her life would be a reward within itself. That judgement will severely affect her quality of life, and it would serve as karma for her, as well as a deterrant for anybody else who even thinks about pulling this libel war on anybody else.

EDIT: Cougard

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Sticking her with a judgement she can't get out of would send a message. Can't defame people on the internet (or otherwise) and mess with their lives.

Plus, think of what can be discovered when she is deposed.

 

[TheClappening]

Still worth it to sue her. As someone mentioned earlier, wage garnishment for the rest of her life would be a reward within itself. That judgement will severely affect her quality of life, and it would serve as karma for her, as well as a deterrant for anybody else who even thinks about pulling this libel war on anybody else.

And don't forget settlements. Hell, it might even be worth it if Vic settles for a pittance and Marzgurl has to tweet and make a youtube video of herself saying that she's a liar liar pants on fire and this was all a big lie to unlawfully damage Vic.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

suing this broke fatty who has to crowdfund a fucking oil change for her car is pointless. she has no assets, so there is nothing you can collect if you win

Unless she's nailed in this suit, she will just keep coming back again and again until she is. It's not about taking her money directly. It's about making it too expensive for her/them to restart this bullshit after Vic wins. So she can be dealt with legally in this trial or Vic will be back into another lawsuit the next time she musters another batch of spergs and screws up his career/life. Because thats exactly what they intend to do.

Edit/Additionally: Frog God and Todd H arent going to win a life of rich leisure suing Pridemore and the other grifter. But suing they are. Because both of those idiots SPECIFICALLY just keep popping up again and again wrecking lives.

 

[TexOffender]

And don't forget settlements. Hell, it might even be worth it if Vic settles for a pittance and Marzgurl has to tweet and make a youtube video of herself saying that she's a liar liar pants on fire and this was all a big lie to unlawfully damage Vic.

Yeah a video like Jeremy's Matt Loter apology video for each of those pieces of shit would be grand

It's Over

Thank You To EVERYONE.

www.youtube.com

 

[AnOminous]

Still worth it to sue her.

Well yeah it's always worth it to sue someone you don't like. . .as long as it's someone else's money. I think Vic and Ty have a different economic calculus on who it's worth to sue.

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

easy to say 'worth it' when you're just an outside observer on the internet with no involvement. very different situation when you're the one who actually has to pursue the suit, pay the lawyer fees, and keep dealing with all the legal bullshit that comes with suing someone like that for however many months (or even years) it will last.

If people sued solely for financial compensation, then most lawsuits wouldn't exist. Lenny Bruce went to the Supreme Court twice to combat obscenity charges for his standup routine not for monetary damages, but rather to fight for our right to free speech. MLKs family also got a judgement against someone who was involved with covering up his assassination (dont quite remember all the details) a few years back, and recovered only $100 because they explicitly stated that the suit wasnt about money.

 

[Commander]

And don't forget settlements. Hell, it might even be worth it if Vic settles for a pittance and Marzgurl has to tweet and make a youtube video of herself saying that she's a liar liar pants on fire and this was all a big lie to unlawfully damage Vic.

The only way you'd get Marzgurl to do that is if she didn't have a choice because this would ruin her completely. And if you can get someone to bend their knee like that, people tend to fall like dominoes right after. Rial and Toye aren't going to have that affect.

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

Well yeah it's always worth it to sue someone you don't like. . .as long as it's someone else's money. I think Vic and Ty have a different economic calculus on who it's worth to sue.

I mean I get that, and at the end of the day, I'm just a humble observer to the chaos. I just dont believe MarzGurl should walk away scot-free after all the pandemonium shes caused.

 

[TexOffender]

I mean I get that, and at the end of the day, I'm just a humble observer to the chaos. I just dont believe MarzGurl should walk away scot-free after all the pandemonium shes caused.

Still causing...she's even more vocal now than when the hashtag started to catch on.

 

[GarbageEmperor]

As Nick Rekeita takes a Matsuri break, I must thank him so much for changing my mind on the Vic situation.

The only info I ever got about the situation before he spoke about it was through Facebook. All the anime and con friends were rallying against Vic, saying how evil he was and remembering high school gossip they heard about him from 10 years ago and saying how only a dumb fangirl could deny the evidence. No one was on Vic's side and if they were, they weren't giving good comebacks. ("Oh my God he cried at this panel he can't be guilty")

There have always been a little hatedom towards Vic, and while I was kinda indifferent about him (liked him in FMA and whatnot, but he was a bit oversaturated,) none of the rumors seemed substantial. But 99 percent on my FB friends swore by it, so it wasn't really a hill I was about to die on.

Then Nick, who I was following since Maddox vs. Dick, spoke about it, and it definitely changed my mind.

I love my con friends and the con scene, but callout culture and witch hunting is definitely ruining it. I get wanting to protect people from creeps, but people will take rumors and run with it. Or be "too scared" to report a guy who they claimed raped them to the police, but not be scared enough to start a witch hunt. I've seen people just shit talk a predator instead of going through the legal process and it worries me how con people think cons are their own government or something.

I hope more common sense returns to the con world I guess. Sorry for the rambling introduction.

 

[The Singer Of Songs]

The war game here is a bit odd. If I were playing the tactician I would play it quiet and watch. That sounds counter productive as the screeching harpies are what caused damage in the first place. Any sane person would shut up the minute they are served papers and be very afraid of what's to come. Not sperge more on the Internet. This has to do with the hivemind mentality and when the "Queen" is gone the hive flies around in a frenzy until someone new takes the wheel. With Greg being Greg, I think Ty would be more than happy dragging Greg to court over this as it'd absolutely destroy KV siding with pretty much a crook in a way. That's just the dream. The target I'd go after is Marzgurl which I'm sure we could find $200,000 worth of damages from all she's done. I hope you're ready to fork over another 200k for your lawyer as well as you need it.

When would I do it? Right after the depositions of Monica and Toye. Marzgurl is their "Queen" right now and will especially be seeing as she's a random citizen fighting for justice and everyone will be rooting for her to "win" and beat Vic. And I'd make a Tweet to Marzgurl I'd like to "Be in Touch" with her lawyer that she retained from the GoFundMe since she should have them on hand right away. As much as I want Sabat, RT, and Schemmel to be sued, I know she's the one to go for next in this unusual game.

Besides the early errors of Ty (which I don't think are really errors, but a feint to make the other side think he's an idiot), what's described above with not saying much else while Cuck Lightyear spergs along at Renfamous tweeting speed per hour...that's likely what's happening. Remember what people said about him: He's A Wargamer.

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

As Nick Rekeita takes a Matsuri break, I must thank him so much for changing my mind on the Vic situation.

The only info I ever got about the situation before he spoke about it was through Facebook. All the anime and con friends were rallying against Vic, saying how evil he was and remembering high school gossip they heard about him from 10 years ago and saying how only a dumb fangirl could deny the evidence. No one was on Vic's side and if they were, they weren't giving good comebacks. ("Oh my God he cried at this panel he can't be guilty")

There have always been a little hatedom towards Vic, and while I was kinda indifferent about him (liked him in FMA and whatnot, but he was a bit oversaturated,) none of the rumors seemed substantial. But 99 percent on my FB friends swore by it, so it wasn't really a hill I was about to die on.

Then Nick, who I was following since Maddox vs. Dick, spoke about it, and it definitely changed my mind.

I love my con friends and the con scene, but callout culture and witch hunting is definitely ruining it. I get wanting to protect people from creeps, but people will take rumors and run with it. Or be "too scared" to report a guy who they claimed raped them to the police, but not be scared enough to start a witch hunt. I've seen people just shit talk a predator instead of going through the legal process and it worries me how con people think cons are their own government or something.

I hope more common sense returns to the con world I guess. Sorry for the rambling introduction.

I feel the exact same way. Everyone on my fb was shitting on this guy when the news first broke out. But in March, nobody was talking about it, and they moved on to other topics. I've had to keep my mouth shut about this solely to keep the peace amongst my RL peers, and it fucking sucks.

 

[GarbageEmperor]

I feel the exact same way. Everyone on my fb was shitting on this guy when the news first broke out. But in March, nobody was talking about it, and they moved on to other topics. I've had to keep my mouth shut about this solely to keep the peace amongst my RL peers, and it fucking sucks.

Yeah they pretty much considered the outrage of the week over when Funimation fired him. A few of them went crazy when it was announced he was suing. "OMG HE'S SO GREEDY!"

And yep. Some of these con folk are pretty fun to be around, but you can't have a differing opinion. It isn't an agree to disagree argument. They will call you a blind fanboy or a rape apologist.

 

[Adach_Ame]

Mine was as simple as this, *Watched the broly movie, then a few days later shit hits the fan on social media* I was one of peeps at the start trying to be rational and asked questions, want to know what I got? Attacked, yelled at by the "victims" I realize now, I'm so SICK of hearing that word, cause it will probably remind me of this whole mess for a good long while. (off-topic note, holy shit that Nintendo Direct was like injecting excitement into the veins.)

 

[mindlessobserver]

As Nick Rekeita takes a Matsuri break, I must thank him so much for changing my mind on the Vic situation.

The only info I ever got about the situation before he spoke about it was through Facebook. All the anime and con friends were rallying against Vic, saying how evil he was and remembering high school gossip they heard about him from 10 years ago and saying how only a dumb fangirl could deny the evidence. No one was on Vic's side and if they were, they weren't giving good comebacks. ("Oh my God he cried at this panel he can't be guilty")

There have always been a little hatedom towards Vic, and while I was kinda indifferent about him (liked him in FMA and whatnot, but he was a bit oversaturated,) none of the rumors seemed substantial. But 99 percent on my FB friends swore by it, so it wasn't really a hill I was about to die on.

Then Nick, who I was following since Maddox vs. Dick, spoke about it, and it definitely changed my mind.

I love my con friends and the con scene, but callout culture and witch hunting is definitely ruining it. I get wanting to protect people from creeps, but people will take rumors and run with it. Or be "too scared" to report a guy who they claimed raped them to the police, but not be scared enough to start a witch hunt. I've seen people just shit talk a predator instead of going through the legal process and it worries me how con people think cons are their own government or something.

I hope more common sense returns to the con world I guess. Sorry for the rambling introduction.

Going to sperg a bit here. People often forget how old the American legal system is. Its old. Compared to every other legal system on planet earth, the only legal system that is older then Americas is the United Kingdom, and the US legal system sort of coopts that countries jurisprudence pre-1776. To give some context, the American Courts have heard property disputes wherin the property in question was granted by his Majesty the King of England and Scotland.

Like in Shoemaker v. United States (1893). Long story short in that one...to establish Rock Creek Park in Washington DC, the Federal Government exercised eminent Domain on the Shoemaker Family who owned property in the established park grounds. The family asserted their grant of royal deed issued by the Colony of Maryland in the 1760s. The Court accepted the royal grant as valid. However, it ultimately denied the plaintiffs motion to honor the deeds as the arbiter of the royal grants was the State of Maryland, the successor to the Colony of Maryland, which ceded the territory of the District of Columbia in perpetuity. Nullifying the legal claims of the plaintiffs. What is interesting though is the court never said the royal grants were invalid because they were royal grants. Rather they were invalid because Maryland decided they were invalid.

The point I am getting at here is that the American legal system has deep roots and while imperfect it predates the recent spate of nonsense currently sweeping our political system. Which means that it is the best arbiter for counteracting the recent spate of authoritarianism. Which is how it has always been used. Its only when the American Legal System fails that things get really bad.

Keep in mind. The Northern States and the Abolitionists sought to end Slavery in the courts. Then the Dredd Scott decision happened. A ruling that not only affirmed the right to slavery but demanded State compliance with arresting fugitive slaves. Dredd Scott infuriated the northern states, and was a critical factor in causing the civil war.

Americans rely on our courts to keep the peace and arbitrate justice. Because if they fail to do so then the only alternative is violence. And Americans have shown that they are very willing to do that too. Dredd Scott v. Sandford was overturned by war and the deaths of 600,000 men.