Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Red Hood]

So how heavy are those fake ass prop droids.

Some of them just look like they're ranging from 15 pounds to 60 pounds since they're all hollow.

A normal large hobby aerial drone can lift around 55-65 pounds. If you sent a Droidnapper into the park to take the prop droids you could have the drone operator wait in a lot with a van. Have the droidnapper attach the droid to the drone via bungie cords so you get a real snug fit. Then just have the drone operator airlift the kidnapped droid away.

Going by the map there's quite a few dead ends in the park. I would avoid the areas around restrooms since restrooms always have constant security but there are gaps in between the buildings where they would be wide enough to send in a drone.

People have snuck into disney before or even gotten into restricted places in broad daylight even in peak hours.

Imagine Disney unstalling Anti Aircraft guns to defend against that.

 

[Zaryiu]

The most wasted opportunity of the park to me seems to be that it’s exclusive to the ST only.

Because they hate the fans with a burning fashion, we can't have what the fans like (also everything that has been ruined were things fans liked)

 

[Iceland Heavy]

Imagine Disney unstalling Anti Aircraft guns to defend against that.

Having MANPADS teams dressed like Stormtroopers on hand would feel more Star Wars than anything else at that park.

 

[ZehnBoat]

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[Antipathy]

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Well, I mean, he's the 'lolsofunny' black person who can't do anything and trips over himself while running from everyone and everything, and his one moment was sabotaged by bad driving and a kiss while his friends exploded IN FRAME IN THE BACKGROUND

 

[vertexwindi]

I get the impression that most of the cast won't say a word, either because they want to keep making Disney money or NDAs.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I get the impression that most of the cast won't say a word, either because they want to keep making Disney money or NDAs.

If anything, we'll get at most something akin to humble-bragging, I think, something boring and benign, that'll only highlight how absolutely stellar everything was.

Boyega wants to keep his job, Boyega will not say a word. It will take forever for something to come out in the open.

 

[Tookie]

I can't imagine Boyega is happy at this point. He's been the most obviously enthusiastic Star Wars fan of the sequel cast. If any of the cast ends up blasting them in public at some point, it will be him (or a hammered Oscar Isaac).

 

[madethistocomment]

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John seems like such a cool, genuine guy. It makes me sad that he keeps getting cast in shitty movies.

 

[Creep3r]

I can't imagine Boyega is happy at this point. He's been the most obviously enthusiastic Star Wars fan of the sequel cast. If any of the cast ends up blasting them in public at some point, it will be him (or a hammered Oscar Isaac).

Kind of ironic considering that his character was probably the only original thing in this shitty new trilogy, what with being an "ex-trooper" which was sadly not even used to its full potential and was poorly executed, and not by Boyega, but by Abrams just having a guy who was brainwashed for most of his life suddenly rebel after seeing action for the first time and just handwaving that away by claiming he was a janitor, but even that begs the question as to why they would send a janitor out on a massacre despite having no real training, and its all made even more ridiculous when MSE droids are basically the janitors on board these things. Yet despite all that he's still somehow the only decent character and the only thing I liked from TFA. They could've had him be a regular rookie soldier kidnapped by Poe to try and escape the ship and then having FN explore the real world for the first time, and throughout the whole thing wanting to secretly go back to the FO while at the same trying to adjust to the realization that the order he once served was not as noble as he had been led to believe.

John seems like such a cool, genuine guy. It makes me sad that he keeps getting cast in shitty movies.

IDK. I used to think that of Boyega, but when fans started criticizing TLJ and Solo (even ones who actually praised Boyega), he got pretty pissy and smug about it, like with that Geek&Gamers youtuber who was a big fan of Boyega and constantly praised him, but when he said how much he disliked TLJ and Solo, Boyega was pretty quick to target him and get into a pissing contest with him and anyone else even when they said nothing directed at Boyega or his character.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I can't imagine Boyega is happy at this point. He's been the most obviously enthusiastic Star Wars fan of the sequel cast. If any of the cast ends up blasting them in public at some point, it will be him (or a hammered Oscar Isaac).

Amongst the main cast, he's the equivalent of Phasma for the supporting cast.
They waste him in TLJ entirely and they never really do anything significant with him in TFA (though in contrast to Phasma, he had his moments in TFA).

Kind of ironic considering that his character was probably the only original thing in this shitty new trilogy, what with being an "ex-trooper" which was sadly not even used to its full potential and was poorly executed, and not by Boyega, but by Abrams just having a guy who was brainwashed for most of his life suddenly rebel after seeing action for the first time and just handwaving that away by claiming he was a janitor, but even that begs the question as to why they would send a janitor out on a massacre despite having no real training, and its all made even more ridiculous when MSE droids are basically the janitors on board these things. Yet despite all that he's still somehow the only decent character and the only thing I liked from TFA. They could've had him be a regular rookie soldier kidnapped by Poe to try and escape the ship and then having FN explore the real world for the first time, and throughout the whole thing wanting to secretly go back to the FO while at the same trying to adjust to the realization that the order he once served was not as noble as he had been led to believe.

I wouldn't say the ex-trooper thing was not used to it's fullest, I would say it wasn't used at all, full stop.
There's 2 instances of him going "Oh, [McGuffin]? Sure, I used to mop the floor where it is stored", strangely enough after voicing his surprise that [McGuffin] actually exists. I hope they'll do it again in IX, btw.
Other than that, you really don't get any vibes or hints of Finn being an Ex-Trooper.

One of the many possibilities to go with in TFA which would not have been ripping off ANH would have been ripping off "Enemy Mine". I mean, have Poe and Finn spend some time on Not-Tatooine at the start of TFA, where they are forced to rely on one another, even though they really hate each other's guts. They could exchange some neat dialogue and ultimately, we could learn something about the Propaganda the FO uses to indoctrinate people. They start off as enemies, become friends after Finn realizes how much he has been lied to.
Then again, Finn stranding on Not-Tatooine and meeting Rey and them escaping in the Millenium Falcon in a wild action scene was one of the better parts of TFA (dat BB-8 thumbs up), I would just change a few things. Namely replacing the Millenium Falcon with a ship used by Rey, some old junker that she uses to haul scrap, cause having the Millenium Falcon randomly stand there is just painfully stupid. Them fixing it is painfully stupid. Rey randomly being able to use it so well is painfully stupid. Them meeting Han instantly is painfully stupid.
Making them escape in a scrap-hauler used by Rey would also explain why she can fly it so well. A turret wouldn't make sense on such a ship, so Finn could man some sort of crane or harpoon like device to fight off the TIE Fighters, which in turn would open up possibilities to be more creative than generic pew-pew.
The scrap hauler itself could be owned by that blobfish looking guy and the scene where Rey and Finn "fix" the Millenium Falcon could be replaced with them hotwiring it to take it.

 

[JohnDoe]

poorly executed

That basically sums up the most vital part of the sequels. Sure, the camerawork and props are good enough, and the visual effects are great, and the sound mixing is nice - and though we complain about the bland alien design thats more a problem with concept than execution. No, when I think 'poorly executed' I think poor storytelling. Even though movies are an audio-visual medium, they are a storytelling medium at the core, and without a properly executed story everything else is just hollow window dressing. It doesn't matter how nice the restaurant is or how prompt the service if they just throw still-frozen tv dinners on the fine china, after all.

What an example of badly executed storytelling the sequels are, completely collapsing right out of the gate with a setup that simply does not work considering the fact that the film is a sequel. Then on top of that they pile on unlikable characters that could not be real people in the slightest, then pilot them on what should be a relatively straightforward arc which they misfire and misstep on repeatedly. People want to believe that unlikely but dramatic rescues of a princess by a pirate and a farmer can happen, but people can't believe that a mannequin will suddenly become a sorceress and affect her own effortless escape.

All JJ was ever capable of doing was imitating competently skilled directors, and even then, only just barely and infrequently. You couldn't trust him or Rian to tell school kids a scary story around a campfire, though.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Imagine Disney unstalling Anti Aircraft guns to defend against that.

Aerial drones seem to be the one thing where they have next to no specialists for.

Disney has a ton of shit employed against pest control ranging from special garbage cans that have their bottoms pop up after the park closes so they double as rat and mouse traps to strategically placed chicken coups where the birds are tested every day to see if there are mosquito born diseases in the park as well as protecting guests against local wildlife(especially after that one kid was eaten by a gator on park property).

Disney has people on staff to control aerial drones in performances and events but nobody to counter rogue drones. I'm guessing they'll only start to care about drones once something happens because it's kinda one of those things where you need significant data for in the first place in order to make a plan of action.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

IDK. I used to think that of Boyega, but when fans started criticizing TLJ and Solo (even ones who actually praised Boyega), he got pretty pissy and smug about it, like with that Geek&Gamers youtuber who was a big fan of Boyega and constantly praised him, but when he said how much he disliked TLJ and Solo, Boyega was pretty quick to target him and get into a pissing contest with him and anyone else even when they said nothing directed at Boyega or his character.

Boyega is kinda dumb, a race baiter and spends way too much time huffing his own farts. He's an example of someone who got rich and famous too young and developed a severe entitlement complex as a result. If he's lucky, the world will beat some humility into him over the next decade. If not, he'll probably end up sharing a cell with Cuba after smacking around a cheap prostitute for drinking his last bottle of Cristal.

 

[Tookie]

Amongst the main cast, he's the equivalent of Phasma for the supporting cast.
They waste him in TLJ entirely and they never really do anything significant with him in TFA (though in contrast to Phasma, he had his moments in TFA).

Which is a real shame since his attitude coming into these reminded me of Ewan McGregor's excitement going into the prequels. The fact that a stormtrooper revolt wasn't part of TLJ and doesn't appear to be on the horizon in IX is mind boggling.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Finn had a basically complete arc in TFA. If he'd died at the end, it would have been a better send-off for the character than waffling around and doing pratfalls because Johnson didn't know what to do with him. As for Boyega himself, he seems like kind of a chode, but it's not hard to sympathize with the utter waste of the character that made him famous; I know we've beaten this point to death, but anyone could have done it better than Johnson, and Abrams isn't really much of an improvement especially now that he's required to actually pay off the shit he set up (for how this typically goes, see Lost.)

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I think most, if not all, of the problems with the Disney Star Wars can be attributed to them rushing into things head first without a plan.

Disney got this property and they had all these new toys to play with and they just had to make it as fast as possible.

The end result was a trilogy that had the first film basically be a remake of the the original 1977 classic, a sequel that undoes all that was set up in VII, and now we have a third movie that looks to be undoing all that was undone in VIII. They clearly did not have a plan in place and just made these movies by the seat of their pants and it shows. Say what you want about the prequels (and lord knows I could say plenty) but at least it was all one vision and one narrative...not a coherent, well written, or well executed one, but at least its all one narrative. The new ST has all the signs of just "doing it for the sake of doing it" when this is something that should have been carefully constructed,

Even worse, they decided to do the inbetween films like Rogue One and Solo to do the Marvel shared universe format, but Star Wars has always worked as big event films. It is very hard to do that when there is a film every year. They feel a lot less special then. Granted, I actually liked Rogue One for what it was and maybe doing stand alones every three years instead of ST films might have been better, but in any case, they put way too much on their plate way too quickly, and that creates the mess we have now.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Which is a real shame since his attitude coming into these reminded me of Ewan McGregor's excitement going into the prequels. The fact that a stormtrooper revolt wasn't part of TLJ and doesn't appear to be on the horizon in IX is mind boggling.

You really think Disney would a show a movie where it has a bunch of people dressed in white revolting and burning black effigies?

 

[nfys nst]

Boyega's character had the most promise out of the new cast, yet is the most criminally underused. He's literally a classic funny token black guy, except he doesn't die. I wish he'd speak up and tell everybody how shit it was, but I agree with everybody else here, he won't do it.
But it's just a part of the major storytelling and character problem the ST has. If Star Wars was a pen&paper RPG, the OT would be a genuinely good game remembered fondly by everybody. Although the characters are at different points in their lives and are at quite different power levels, the DM tries his best to give all of them the chance to use their unique skills in tailored challenges, with all characters having their chance to shine and undergo development, while also weaving all these small storylines into a coherent, engaging story. The ST is what would happen if the DM invited his girlfriend to the table.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Kind of ironic considering that his character was probably the only original thing in this shitty new trilogy, what with being an "ex-trooper" which was sadly not even used to its full potential and was poorly executed, and not by Boyega, but by Abrams just having a guy who was brainwashed for most of his life suddenly rebel after seeing action for the first time and just handwaving that away by claiming he was a janitor, but even that begs the question as to why they would send a janitor out on a massacre despite having no real training, and its all made even more ridiculous when MSE droids are basically the janitors on board these things.

One way to explain Finn the Janitor as a stormtrooper (ignoring the overall mess of the ST) would be if the First Order was stretched so thin that Phasma was ordered by Hux or Kylo Ren to assemble troops on such short notice that she had no choice but to press menial labor type troopers into combat duty because they were still trained at one point to use blasters and other basic tactics needed on a battlefield. Like everything else with the last two episode films, however, we get no explanation for items that seem implausible, confusing, out of character, or simply contradictory.

I think most, if not all, of the problems with the Disney Star Wars can be attributed to them rushing into things head first without a plan.

Disney got this property and they had all these new toys to play with and they just had to make it as fast as possible.

Not only that, but they had various SW items and projects ongoing on in the early stages and chose to abruptly end them or stop them before they came to be produced. As was mentioned earlier, they scrapped the old EU as legends material only to introduce stuff that was equally bad or worse when they created their new, canon EU.

One movie a year is an ambitious project and time table. It can be done, but the quality will invariably suffer because movies -- just like any other major project -- rarely finish using less than the originally-budgeted time and money/resources. Enforcing those constraints strictly means corners have to be cut and quality suffers without exception.

Boyega's character had the most promise out of the new cast, yet is the most criminally underused. He's literally a classic funny token black guy, except he doesn't die.

And that's one of the sadder aspects of the NT. Rose Tico (played by Kelly Marie Tran) and Finn (by Boyega) came off more as token minority characters used by Disney to fill a couple of checkboxes than they did as meaningful characters. Take them out, and very little of the trilogy's plot so far would need to be changed.

But it's just a part of the major storytelling and character problem the ST has. If Star Wars was a pen&paper RPG, the OT would be a genuinely good game remembered fondly by everybody. Although the characters are at different points in their lives and are at quite different power levels, the DM tries his best to give all of them the chance to use their unique skills in tailored challenges, with all characters having their chance to shine and undergo development, while also weaving all these small storylines into a coherent, engaging story. The ST is what would happen if the DM invited his girlfriend to the table.

I like this analogy. Even in the OT, we had characters that had their strengths and abilities utilized as much as possible. A few examples include:

• Han Solo the smuggler helps smuggle Luke & Obi-Wan off Tatooine and gets used to sneak a strike team onto Endor to destroy Death Star 2.0
• Luke is forced to respect family obligations despite his thirst for adventure but gets it when stormtroopers murder his aunt and uncle. His desires and impulsiveness get tempered after his first duel with Vader and he uses the experience to better himself.
• C-3PO, despite his worrisome nature throughout the franchise, comes through with his knowledge of languages when it's needed most.

in the new trilogy, everyone is either good at everything or utterly incompetent -- with little middle ground. That makes it difficult to develop characters, even though neither director seemed to make any sort of attempt to include character development in either script.