Charlie Hebdo Attack
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I'm going to get dogpiled for this, but this is the kind of thing that is the reason why I think we need to incorporate blasphemy into out anti-terrorism activities. I don't know enough about Islam to come up with something really good, but some kind of mandatory corpse desecration of terrorists executed or killed in battle would be a good start.
"But that's bigoted! It's anti-muslum!" No, it's anti terrorist. If a terrorist from another religion is executed we'd find out what was abhorrent to them and do that. Equal opportunity blasphemy.
The idea is to make being a martyr a lot less glamorous. If people know that if you die committing an act of terror that they're going to have pigs sexually violate your naked corpse on youtube I think you're going to see a downturn in recruitment. Some post-hoc excommunications would be nice too, but I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
You go and attack a satirical newspaper you forfeit your rights to the protections of civilization. These people are hostis humani generis, and it's time to start getting downright barbaric with them. Let's draw on our wealth of sadism and get this shit done.
"But that's bigoted! It's anti-muslum!" No, it's anti terrorist. If a terrorist from another religion is executed we'd find out what was abhorrent to them and do that. Equal opportunity blasphemy.
The idea is to make being a martyr a lot less glamorous. If people know that if you die committing an act of terror that they're going to have pigs sexually violate your naked corpse on youtube I think you're going to see a downturn in recruitment. Some post-hoc excommunications would be nice too, but I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
You go and attack a satirical newspaper you forfeit your rights to the protections of civilization. These people are hostis humani generis, and it's time to start getting downright barbaric with them. Let's draw on our wealth of sadism and get this shit done.
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Well gee guys I'm sure the French never realized that CH's work was offensive and could make people angry, thanks for climbing on your ivory shitboxes and pointing it out.
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If what the US does to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay doesn't discourage them, I don't see how doing nasty crap to their carcasses will.
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I said do it to terrorists, not random people you grab off the street based on bad evidence.
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Wouldn't it be great if all of the toughest free speech cases were about Greek statues and pictures of soaring eagles and poems about trees?
A generation ago, American law tested limits of the first amendment in a famous case over a parody of a liquor ad in a pornographic magazine in which a religious figure discussed fucking his mother in an outhouse.
I guess that doesn't count because Falwell was a shitlord or something, and not an angry bolt thrower protecting Allah's Prophet from cartoons.
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I'm going to pull a @Null here and quote Nietzsche
One thing that Western society should strive toward is being better than these people. These people are the ones that strive to strike fear into the hearts of others. We should be better than them, and not be clouded by emotions and stoop to their level. If anything their attack on a comedic satire newspaper should inspire more acts of comedy. Since that seems to be the biggest thing they dislike above all else. These people seemingly don't fear death and imprisonment but rather mockery, and that is what should be used against them. Because it reveals how fragile their convictions actually are.Friedrich Nietzsche said:
This article makes a very good point. Politicians in Europe suppress freedom of speech when it comes to Muslims until they start killing people
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People dying committing an act of terror like they did this time? Most post-9/11 terror attacks in the West haven't even been suicide bombings.
And clearly the sort of people who are willing to commit an attack this atrocious over a cartoon would sit down and be quiet when their main enemy institutionalizes religious humiliation. Because that's worked so well in the past.
Yeah, like that time the US bombed Al Jazeera.
I'm not even going to touch this morally. But it's screamingly obvious that you're just looking for an excuse.
On-topic- this is the first example I can think of of ISIS and Al-Qaeda working together on an attack (though it seems to have been pretty informally organised). It seems like the Kouachis were pretty tight with AQ in Yemen. Coulibaly, on the other hand, seems to have been radicalised through the Kouachis.
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No-one deserves death for voicing their opinion, no matter how extreme their opinion may be.
On another note, some of my Muslim friends have been pointing out something along the lines of "Insult homosexuality, get called a homophobe. Insult Islam, that's called freedom of speech." Freedom of speech is not subjective, and there would be no restrictions on true freedom of speech. With freedom of speech comes freedom to insult (the key word they have written for all of the cases they mention), and attempting to censor some speech because it is "hate speech" and "offensive" is not true freedom of speech, it is just selective. And with freedom of speech come the consequences, however death or violence should never be that consequence; everyone has the same freedoms of speech, therefore everyone can say what they want without resorting to needless violence.
On another note, some of my Muslim friends have been pointing out something along the lines of "Insult homosexuality, get called a homophobe. Insult Islam, that's called freedom of speech." Freedom of speech is not subjective, and there would be no restrictions on true freedom of speech. With freedom of speech comes freedom to insult (the key word they have written for all of the cases they mention), and attempting to censor some speech because it is "hate speech" and "offensive" is not true freedom of speech, it is just selective. And with freedom of speech come the consequences, however death or violence should never be that consequence; everyone has the same freedoms of speech, therefore everyone can say what they want without resorting to needless violence.
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Alqaeda Iraq and ISIS were the same thing 3 years ago. They split up because Bagdadhi wanted to pull a Mohammad and be an actual caliphate. The real question is not necessarily focusing on the attackers. Who would supply Jihadi's with weapons and training in Europe? I know that the biker gangs who steal from military depot's and russian surplus have them.
Though they generally make it a rule not to sell to muslim jihadis. As there's a difference from selling a murder weapon which was used by a career criminal to kill another career criminal versus you know a weapon meant to maul down civilians in the name of allah. The brother duo had weapons but who sent them down to Yemen for training. These guys weren't an Osama who was a spoiled brat who could pay for everything. These guys had to link up with somebody trusted with Al-Qaeda Yemen and go down there. Making sure that there contact down there was correct and not just some vagabond looking to get a ransom from the french government. The scary part is there is a pipeline organizations which are co-ordinating with these jihadi groups to send young men and women. This isn't afghanistan in the 70's. The guys who went there fought to get the russians out. Most of the Mujahdeen didn't hate the west, nor did they participate in terror attacks. You only have one or two examples aka Osama. Yet, ISIS has had thousands of people go over to a place where they're indoctrinated to hate the west. They have committed multiple terror attacks on Western Soil. These members of ISIS hate it so much that killing it's citizens and exploding it's landmarks is seen as a heroic task.
The financiers, weapons and logistic people who can manage to send western muslims to commit terrorism live in Europe. That's what gets me with this entire thing. There's no counter balance force to make sure europe kicks them out(the logistic planners for teror). The Israeli's managed to do it back in the day but are they willing to let mossad agitate the local muslim population. They're very good at there job but Europe is way more muslim than what they did back in the day. They would stop these terrorist recruitment centers. When the Israeli government pressured Arab Governments with letting terrorists a base of operation in there country. The Israeli response was to treat the people who would let Terrorists have free space to plan attacks against them as terrorists themselves. If your government let the PLO have a base. The Israeli government would treat you like they would treat the PLO. Your government hosts a group that plans and executes a Tel-Aviv bombing. Expect a bomb or two in your capital to kill the terrorists. I respect that model and so did Europe/Middle East. They switched to Europe and used it for a bit until the Israeli's started to kill terrorist financiers in European capitals. Europe stopped letting the PLO plan terrorist attacks in their country. This happened back in the 60's to 80's.
ISIS as a group has more actual fighters than the PLO. Yet, Europe has been slow on stopping the logistic men. The financiers and mover-shakers of the terrorist world. The guys who make it possible to ship 20 people to Syria and make sure they're safe in ISIS's hands. That's the real problem and the solution isn't pretty. You have to look at the Mosques and well to do muslims. Guys with college degrees and can speak three languages fluently. Not just the poor semi-literate muslim rapper who posts on facebook about Jihad.
Though they generally make it a rule not to sell to muslim jihadis. As there's a difference from selling a murder weapon which was used by a career criminal to kill another career criminal versus you know a weapon meant to maul down civilians in the name of allah. The brother duo had weapons but who sent them down to Yemen for training. These guys weren't an Osama who was a spoiled brat who could pay for everything. These guys had to link up with somebody trusted with Al-Qaeda Yemen and go down there. Making sure that there contact down there was correct and not just some vagabond looking to get a ransom from the french government. The scary part is there is a pipeline organizations which are co-ordinating with these jihadi groups to send young men and women. This isn't afghanistan in the 70's. The guys who went there fought to get the russians out. Most of the Mujahdeen didn't hate the west, nor did they participate in terror attacks. You only have one or two examples aka Osama. Yet, ISIS has had thousands of people go over to a place where they're indoctrinated to hate the west. They have committed multiple terror attacks on Western Soil. These members of ISIS hate it so much that killing it's citizens and exploding it's landmarks is seen as a heroic task.
The financiers, weapons and logistic people who can manage to send western muslims to commit terrorism live in Europe. That's what gets me with this entire thing. There's no counter balance force to make sure europe kicks them out(the logistic planners for teror). The Israeli's managed to do it back in the day but are they willing to let mossad agitate the local muslim population. They're very good at there job but Europe is way more muslim than what they did back in the day. They would stop these terrorist recruitment centers. When the Israeli government pressured Arab Governments with letting terrorists a base of operation in there country. The Israeli response was to treat the people who would let Terrorists have free space to plan attacks against them as terrorists themselves. If your government let the PLO have a base. The Israeli government would treat you like they would treat the PLO. Your government hosts a group that plans and executes a Tel-Aviv bombing. Expect a bomb or two in your capital to kill the terrorists. I respect that model and so did Europe/Middle East. They switched to Europe and used it for a bit until the Israeli's started to kill terrorist financiers in European capitals. Europe stopped letting the PLO plan terrorist attacks in their country. This happened back in the 60's to 80's.
ISIS as a group has more actual fighters than the PLO. Yet, Europe has been slow on stopping the logistic men. The financiers and mover-shakers of the terrorist world. The guys who make it possible to ship 20 people to Syria and make sure they're safe in ISIS's hands. That's the real problem and the solution isn't pretty. You have to look at the Mosques and well to do muslims. Guys with college degrees and can speak three languages fluently. Not just the poor semi-literate muslim rapper who posts on facebook about Jihad.
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There's a large time gap but I think I owe you something more substantial than a dumb rating. I'm not going to delude myself by acting like a history expert, but I'm pretty sure corpse desecration as a scare tactic has been tried before and it never really worked. Another reason why I think this is a terrible idea is, don't these shitheads preach that martyrs will receive paradise upon death? I don't think they care what happens to their bodies.
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I remember hearing that back during the Crusades they would send the bodies of certain Muslim assassin's back home in barrels stuffed with pork that made the body unclean for burial and entrance to paradise. The number of attacks after they started doing that dropped dramatically. Maybe that's what Uzumaki is trying to get at, do something really offensive and blasphemous to scare off the religious radicals, which would never fly in today's world.
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It's an urban legend that is sometimes attributed to General Pershing in the Philippines 900 years later, and that one wasn't true either. It surfaces again every time there's an Islamist atrocity.