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Spotify: We “Overpaid” Songwriters and Their Publishers in 2018, and We Would Like Our Money Back

If you hadn’t noticed, tensions between the music publishing community and Spotify have taken a turn for the sour in recent months.

This all began in March when Spotify, alongside other music streaming operators like SiriusXM/Pandora, Google and Amazon, lodged an appeal against mandated pay rises for songwriters and publishers in the US.


The headline news about that pay rise, decided by the US Copyright Royalty Board, was that mechanical streaming payouts from the likes of Spotify would rise by 44% or more between 2018 and 2022.

It turns out, however, that there was some additional and under-reported complexity to the CRB decision concerning Spotify’s student discount offers and its family plan bundles – which allow up to six family members to stream Premium Spotify for a single price of just $14.99 a month.

“ACCORDING TO THE NEW CRB REGULATIONS, WE OVERPAID MOST PUBLISHERS IN 2018… RATHER THAN COLLECT THE 2018 OVERPAYMENT IMMEDIATELY, WE HAVE OFFERED TO EXTEND THE RECOUPMENT PERIOD THROUGH THE END OF 2019.”
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Because of this additional complexity, Spotify has now calculated that, retrospectively, according to the CRB decision, many music publishers actually owe it money for 2018, due to an overpayment based on the prior rates. And guess what? It wants that money back.

Spotify told the publishers the news this week and, as you can imagine, these companies – already up in arms over Spotify’s CRB appeal – are fuming about it.

One senior figure in the music publishing industry told MBW: “Spotify is clawing back millions of dollars from publishers in the US based on the new CRB rates that favor the DSPs, while appealing the [wider CRB decision]. This puts some music publishers in a negative position. It’s unbelievable.”

Spotify isn’t expecting the publishers to hand over the money that it’s owed right away; instead, this negative balance will be treated as an advance by the company, which will be recouped from its 2019 royalty payouts to publishers (and, by association, their songwriters).

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“I FIND IT SO HYPOCRITICAL FOR A DIGITAL SERVICE THAT IS APPEALING THE CRB DECISION TO THEN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PARTS OF THAT DECISION THAT BENEFIT IT. I GUESS WE SHOULDN’T BE SURPRISED.”
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A spokesperson for Spotify told MBW today (June 21): “According to the new CRB regulations, we overpaid most publishers in 2018. While the appeal of the CRB decision is pending, the rates set by the CRB are current law, and we will abide by them – not only for 2018, but also for future years in which the amount paid to publishers is set to increase significantly.

“Rather than collect the 2018 overpayment immediately, we have offered to extend the recoupment period through the end of 2019 in order to minimize the impact of the adjustment on publishing companies.”


David Israelite, the CEO of the National Music Publishers Association who has consistently and publicly decried Spotify’s CRB appeal, told MBW in response to Spotify’s request for reimbursement from the publishers: “I find it so hypocritical for a digital service that is appealing the CRB decision to then take advantage of the parts of that decision that benefit it. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.”

The CRB rules that the annual streaming royalty rate in the States between 2018 and 2022 will be determined by the highest outcome across one of three different models: (i) a percentage of a streaming company’s total revenue; (ii) a percentage of what that streaming service pays to record labels each year; and (iii) a flat fee per subscriber in the US.

Within the new CRB-approved regulations for streaming payouts, it says: “A Family Plan shall be treated as 1.5 subscribers per month, prorated in the case of a Family Plan Subscription in effect for only part of a calendar month. A Student Plan shall be treated as 0.50 subscribers per month, prorated in the case of a Student Plan End User who subscribed for only part of a calendar month.”

The NMPA announced last week that the US music publishing industry generated a record $3.33bn in 2018, up 11.8% year-on-year, and up 55% when compared to 2014.
 
I'll fucking happily pony up to a small band working through their own channels for a CD or USB stick full of music. Record companies can eat shit. Spotify can eat shit. I like giving good bands patronage without stupid fucking middlemen taking their cuts.
Agreed. I'm an amateur musician and people will happily give me some money for the opportunity to record me on their phone. People ask me why I don't try to get on the radio or whatever and I just laugh. That's a lot of work just to get bent over by a (((record producer))).

Hell, I just play for kicks on the street and some people will wait until I'm done to give me some coin. One night two guys gave me 20 bucks to play the same song twice. It's not like I'm rolling in cash from music but for the amount of effort I put into it, having some extra money just for having fun or having my beer and joints taken care of for a night puts me comfortably ahead on the effort vs. return side of things.
 
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Figures all these big companies would consider anything other than the bare minimum they can pay being "overpaid". The only time anyone is overpaid is when you're charged more than something is actually worth. Eat shit and die Spotify.
Agreed. I'm an amateur musician and people will happily give me some money for the opportunity to record me on their phone. People ask me why I don't try to get on the radio or whatever and I just laugh. That's a lot of work just to get bent over by a (((record producer))).

Hell, I just play for kicks on the street and some people will wait until I'm done to give me some coin. One night two guys gave me 20 bucks to play the same song twice. It's not like I'm rolling in cash from music but for the amount of effort I put into it, having some extra money just for having fun or having my beer and joints taken care of for a night puts me comfortably ahead on the effort vs. return side of things.
Pretty easy to record at home now. You can find some decent instrument mics for under $100 dollars.
 
Pretty easy to record at home now. You can find some decent instrument mics for under $100 dollars.
Yep, I've still got the stereo microphone/recorder that I bought 7 years ago to learn to sing. $100. Now I'm going to get something to plug my electroacoustic into and add drum and loops and I'm good to go.

My only problem is that when I'm recording on my own I find it hard to put my heart into it like I do when I'm wailing away on a streetcorner.
 
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Yep, I've still got the stereo microphone/recorder that I bought 7 years ago to learn to sing. $100. Now I'm going to get something to plug my electroacoustic into and add drum and loops and I'm good to go.

My only problem is that when I'm recording on my own I find it hard to put my heart into it like I do when I'm wailing away on a streetcorner.
Yeah I've heard a lot of musicians say that busking is honestly a blast. I wish there were more buskers around here, but I think they're legit scared to run afoul of either regulations or some asshole who'll try raiding their hat. There are some local events that they get the opportunity to perform at here, at least, and I've seen some decent acts come through in the local streetfair. Own a bit of their merch actually.
 
Yeah I've heard a lot of musicians say that busking is honestly a blast. I wish there were more buskers around here, but I think they're legit scared to run afoul of either regulations or some asshole who'll try raiding their hat. There are some local events that they get the opportunity to perform at here, at least, and I've seen some decent acts come through in the local streetfair. Own a bit of their merch actually.
Part of the reason I don't like to busk is guarding my coin, for sure. I tend to move around and get pretty dynamic and it throws me off to have to watch the junkies sail by two or three times eyeing my shit.

Luckily where I am the regulations are very lax: can't play inside the transit stations for the light rail, and there's one or two parks as well I think. $75 buys you a permit to play there for a year, however. If you can't recoup that amount of money your first day out you should probably stay home and git gud.
 
Lmao. Everyone subscribed is going to get fucked big time when they all pull out.

Funny how with CDs (or mp3s) they can't suddenly pull the rights. :evil:
Yeah... It's almost like, I dunno, you actually own the music.
I'll never understand people who go for this live service monthly shit. I always get classic songs for free, and try to support newer artists through Bandcamp. Simple, cheap, and it's mine. What's so hard for people who use these services to understand?
 
Hell, I just play for kicks on the street and some people will wait until I'm done to give me some coin. One night two guys gave me 20 bucks to play the same song twice. It's not like I'm rolling in cash from music but for the amount of effort I put into it, having some extra money just for having fun or having my beer and joints taken care of for a night puts me comfortably ahead on the effort vs. return side of things.


Ya know, that's the hippiest dippiest shit I've ever heard, but that's kinda endearing somehow. What kind of music do you play?

My only problem is that when I'm recording on my own I find it hard to put my heart into it like I do when I'm wailing away on a streetcorner.

Try the Ethan Ralph appraoch. Get a little drunk and pop a xanax, maybe just half of one if you don't aren't a pill-popper. Then try and wail your heart out.
 
Ya know, that's the hippiest dippiest shit I've ever heard, but that's kinda endearing somehow. What kind of music do you play?



Try the Ethan Ralph appraoch. Get a little drunk and pop a xanax, maybe just half of one if you don't aren't a pill-popper. Then try and wail your heart out.
I play a range of things, lots of folk and country, some rock, some pop, my own songs which I don't have the inclination to categorize. It's a broad repertoire.

As for benzos and music, that's a no-go. I need that edge, can't go dulling it.
 
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This is why you should use Soulseek or buy the CDs and not use an always online service where you don't own anything.
Yep. No one should feel bad about piracy, even for smaller artists. Buy their music. Buy their merch. Especially go to their shows. Support their crowdfunding. That's how you support music. Spotify is a piece of shit and horrible for artists, even a mid-sized band will get checks for only a few bucks. I'm pretty sure that buying a single CD from a soulless megacorp like Amazon will give your average artist a significant fraction of what they make on Spotify from thousands of plays.
 
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