Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[CheezzyMach]

Fucking hell, mind blown by the big brain level of cognitive dissonance on display in that sentence. He's complaining about being called a diversity hire while simultaneously demanding work as a diversity hire.
What a sense of entitlement theses people have, 'Give me work, not because I've earned it but because you need to compensate me for the blowback I got for sodomizing Ice Man'.
“We’ll keep you in mind,” means you're shit Sina, take the hint.



LOL! Perhaps you should have listened to your editor Sina, because writing your own personal grindr fantasy into a fucking X-Men comic went about exactly as well as he predicted. But you were mentioned in the Times! Oh la-de-da.
Can he seriously be so deluded as to think that the NYT would write anything other then a glowing puff piece no matter how crap the book turned out?
What's interesting about all this is the clear confirmation that Marvel knows perfectly well that this shit doesn't doesn't sell and there is no mythical diverse market out there for Frozen Dildo Twink that they just haven't managed to tap into yet, They're cynically prepared to pump propaganda for woke points that they know for a fact will land with a thud. They are fully aware that their starting point is failure.
And their business is in the shitter you say? Well I'm just so shocked and surprised!

I know Marvel Comics is ran by an arrogant incel but I'm surprised they haven't created a new label to quarantine the woke shit yet like DC Comics has.

Especially if they know it doesn't sell and are just doing it for asspats from Twatter.

 

[LateNightComics]

Anyone can write bad, shit-tier comics. People who can write like God though are few and far between, like Alan Moore or Dave Sim during classic-era Cerebus.

Let's keep in mind Dave Sim was "dating" 13 year olds during the Cerberus heyday and inserting them into his comics. The guy is a fucking creep fuck him and his fax machine and faggy aardvark books.
I'd have to do some serious digging but one of the last interviews I did before being perma-banned for calling Sim a pedo and Ethan and exceptional individual for wanting to associate with him was with a comic pro from that era who knew Sim and verified the underage girls so honestly he can go hang himself for all I care.

 

[AnOminous]

Let's keep in mind Dave Sim was "dating" 13 year olds during the Cerberus heyday and inserting them into his comics. The guy is a fucking creep fuck him and his fax machine and faggy aardvark books.

Yes I'm aware he's a terrible human. He still wrote some really good comics.

 

[The Real Official Adam]

@FROG I realized that you're the Mark Waid of ComicsGate.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I know Marvel Comics is ran by an arrogant incel but I'm surprised they haven't created a new label to quarantine the woke shit yet like DC Comics has.

Especially if they know it doesn't sell and are just doing it for asspats from Twatter.

I don't think the separate label would mean much. Marvel "woke shit" is part of regular old Earth-616 like most of their comics meanwhile DC's "Black Label" are, so far judging by what has come out, totally out of continuity stories where the writer can just go nuts reimagining things.

Now you could argue Marvel should just let woke writers have books that are like that but then people would be complaining about how it "doesn't count" or "too many universes" or how they got confused that a series wasn't 616 despite the writer deciding that Captain America was always a Muslim lesbian in his take on Marvel.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I don't think the separate label would mean much. Marvel "woke shit" is part of regular old Earth-616 like most of their comics meanwhile DC's "Black Label" are, so far judging by what has come out, totally out of continuity stories where the writer can just go nuts reimagining things.

Now you could argue Marvel should just let woke writers have books that are like that but then people would be complaining about how it "doesn't count" or "too many universes" or how they got confused that a series wasn't 616 despite the writer deciding that Captain America was always a Muslim lesbian in his take on Marvel.

Honestly if Marvel knows this shit isn't selling I think it's only a matter of time before it gets thrown out and retconned.

It's rumored that Jonathan Hickman's X-Men reboot is going to involve time travel and alternate versions of characters to unfuck the continuity.


Optimistic I know but I can't think of a reason why a company would continually hurt itself for no reason.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Honestly if Marvel knows this shit isn't selling I think it's only a matter of time before it gets thrown out and retconned.

It's rumored that Jonathan Hickman's X-Men reboot is going to involve time travel and alternate versions of characters to unfuck the continuity.


Optimistic I know but I can't think of a reason why a company would continually hurt itself for no reason.

Is it a reboot? I mean I haven't been paying much attention to the news sites since places like Bleeding Cool give you digital AIDS. Time travel and alternate versions sounds Hickman but literally starting over with the X-Men would be messy considering how many things they touch in 616. I could see Marvel doing a reluanch, aka new #1s, to mark the start of a new status quo though.

Not blaming you, people ALWAYS misuse the terminology and it causes endless confusion.

As for retconning the woke shit, honestly it wouldn't take that much work after Marvel Legacy brought back a bunch of the OG characters and the issue is mostly what stories they're telling unlike 2014-2016 where they were replacing everyone. The only big retcons would be stuff like Iceman admitting he's overcompensating after being open about finding men attractive too, a little gag where Squirrel Girl explains she got carried away with "the freshmen 15", etc.

Considering most of the new characters have their own identities, it really is as simple as "stop venting your frustrations in your comics" and other points like that. Everyone could "win".

 

[Marissa Moira]

Iceman likes men because he's a narcissist, because he himself is also a man. He loves things that resemble himself.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Is it a reboot? I mean I haven't been paying much attention to the news sites since places like Bleeding Cool give you digital AIDS. Time travel and alternate versions sounds Hickman but literally starting over with the X-Men would be messy considering how many things they touch in 616. I could see Marvel doing a reluanch, aka new #1s, to mark the start of a new status quo though.

Not blaming you, people ALWAYS misuse the terminology and it causes endless confusion.

As for retconning the woke shit, honestly it wouldn't take that much work after Marvel Legacy brought back a bunch of the OG characters and the issue is mostly what stories they're telling unlike 2014-2016 where they were replacing everyone. The only big retcons would be stuff like Iceman admitting he's overcompensating after being open about finding men attractive too, a little gag where Squirrel Girl explains she got carried away with "the freshmen 15", etc.

Considering most of the new characters have their own identities, it really is as simple as "stop venting your frustrations in your comics" and other points like that. Everyone could "win".

I think gay Ice Man and the other unpopular shit they've done to established characters is ultimately going to * ahem * be Skrulled * the fix it after Civil War fucked up established characters * away.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

I think gay Ice Man and the other unpopular shit they've done to established characters is ultimately going to * ahem * be Skrulled * the fix it after Civil War fucked up established characters * away.

You could fix it by having young Bobby walk up to Jean:

Young Bobby: "Hey, Jean, remember when you told me I was gay? Well, I'm not."
Young Jean: "I know, I was just messing with you."
*smash cut to Adult Bobby being told by a doctor that he has AIDS*

 

[FROG]

There's still some of the OG CGs like Douglas Ernst, Jon Malin and others not so well known. But most of the big names have (not really left but) become CG adjacent because of WC acting like absolute morons. I know that @FROG won't tell them to stop sperging because WC is comprised of grown ass men but he should really pull on their leash when they start bullshit slapfights over petty crap.

I'm thinking Cridious and Antonio are more "adjacent" now. @FROG, when were they last on your show? These says I don't watch unless Zack is on.



Malin I think is the only OG person left. I'm really talking about peak CG, not pre CG. I think Cummings, Ernst, Zack, etc are pre-CG peak. Zack is the only one to make it to peak CG from the pre group.

Antonio and Cridious were both on the last "ComicsGate Live!" livestream I did, actually. Two or three nights ago.

Lately, I've been livestreaming solo, because I usually want to talk at length about a single topic, or I have a variety of little ideas that aren't enough for a single recorded video. Sometimes Zack wants to pop onto one of these, and if I want the topic to be more conversational, rather than just a solo rant, I'll invite him on.

But Summer's here and it's time to start telethons promoting ComicsGate books again. I have two or three groups of creators and youtubers in separate Twitter DM rooms, and I'll throw a link into one or two of these rooms when I want to promote a bunch of comics. I almost always have a full house (ten panelists) which gets a mixed reaction from the audience...some people like the family atmosphere of a big panel, others think it doesn't go anywhere, or it's too confusing.

Now that ComicsGate has gotten so big, and last year's class have split off, become "adjacent" or have become self-sufficient on YouTube and Twitter, I'm looking through all of the new campaigns that people send my way to find the best of the best, and promote those creators.

The idea is always to teach people how to promote and market their own comics. It's about making people aware of the best new or unknown indie creators and helping them to become self-sufficient and successful too. So I've got a bunch of new projects to show people, hopefully get most of them to $50K or higher, and get REIGNBOW BRUTE together for it's campaign while doing so.

Drama is always going to happen. The infighting and Dramatic Sashays Out are a part of social media, and it's fun for some, but miserable for most fans. I try to keep out of it as much as I can. I've still got a lot to do.

@FROG I realized that you're the Mark Waid of ComicsGate.

No, I'm the ComicsGate of Mark Waid. BTW, don't forget to donate to Ya Boi Zack's GoFundMe!

 

[Puddleduck]

If I was a failing comic company head and I heard my untalented but cheap moronic contracters tried to unionize; I'd fire them all, tell the reeeing from the shill medias to go kill themselves, ignore their strike completely until they starve to death, and then get even cheaper and more desperate people to do their jobs, probably from the internet.

There are already a lot of artists who are international. Imagine McDonald's human cashiers trying to form a union when all the cooking is done by machines. Them cashiers just don't realize how replaceable they are...

Why do these artists think they're that special? I get that being an artist sucks because what they do is 5x as hard as what the writer does, but it's the industry itself that chose and celebrates this imbalance.

Yeah, unless you're up there Sean Murphy, you should be thankful that someone is paying you to write stories for them. I'd imagine most comics publishers have a "rollerdex" of writers who'll be able to take over if a current writer ragequits or needs to be let go. For the Sean Murphys of the world, they probably have a suitcase of money in case their head gets turned.

And as for artists - yeah, if a story is badly written but beautifully drawn, it still has value to look at the pictures and visual story telling. If an amazing story looks like clipart and airline manuals, it won't be read.

 

[Jub-Jub]

And as for artists - yeah, if a story is badly written but beautifully drawn, it still has value to look at the pictures and visual story telling. If an amazing story looks like clipart and airline manuals, it won't be read.

For the most part I'll agree with you, but don't undersell the importance of a story. Eye candy will certainly help your story being read/seen, but will be easily forgotten once the next visual spectacle comes along. @FROG will attest the OT Star Wars will forever live in peoples hearts because at its core is a fun space adventure story, while the much flashier ST is already reviled by a lot of the core audience due to the terrible writing. As another example one of the hottest manga/anime productions right now is One Punch Man, but it only got to be the way it is now due to the story. Here is a same scene comparison of the webcomic (drawn by the author, ONE) to the manga redraw (Yusuke Murata).

 

[RockVolnutt]

You could fix it by having young Bobby walk up to Jean:

Young Bobby: "Hey, Jean, remember when you told me I was gay? Well, I'm not."
Young Jean: "I know, I was just messing with you."
*smash cut to Adult Bobby being told by a doctor that he has AIDS*

The young X-Men already went back to the past and got reverted to "what they used to be" to prevent any major paradoxes. The only remnants of them is the adults gaining their memories right after sending them back even if the kids had to "forget". A recent Champions issue shows Cyclops being fully aware of the time he spent on the team.

 

[SpiralStars]

Looks like more people are getting sick of dealing with War Campaign

WC seems to embrace bad optics more than they do anything wrong. I say this for all the complaining, I never see a full story from either side. Feels like you get 30% from one side and 30% from the other and missing the other 40%. This tells me the full truth doesn't reflect ideally on either side.

As far as optics, if they re-dubbed themselves as the Love Campaign the people they're in the mix with would need to come up with that other 40%. But the WC names gives the 30% their detractors put out, traction.

 

[AnOminous]

WC seems to embrace bad optics more than they do anything wrong.

You have to remember that much like the hard core of GG, they pretty much think even caring at all about optics is cucking out. While I think ultimately, any culture war issue, if you want to win it, has to won in the hearts and minds of normies, it's also undeniable that literally not giving a single shit what you look like gives you broad latitude in your choice of tactics.

So they aren't making a strategic error, per se, it's just that what they look like isn't even in their calculations.

 

[Wenger]

I think Adam and LNC get some kind of high from interacting with EVS whether it's positive or negative.

 

[damian]

As another example one of the hottest manga/anime productions right now is One Punch Man, but it only got to be the way it is now due to the story. Here is a same scene comparison of the webcomic (drawn by the author, ONE) to the manga redraw (Yusuke Murata).

Murata actually liked the story so much that he offered his talent to ONE. Having read the original OPM drawn by ONE himself, the art is pretty bad but you barely care about it while reading.

It's pretty amazing to me because I usually hate badly drawn comics and yet I've become a fan of his art style.

Onepunch-Man (ONE)

Follows the life of a hero who manages to win all battles with only one punch. This ability seems to frustrate him as he no longer feels the thrill and adrenaline of fighting a tough battle, which leads to him questioning his past desire of being strong.

mangarock.com

 

[The Real Official Adam]

No, I'm the ComicsGate of Mark Waid. BTW, don't forget to donate to Ya Boi Zack's GoFundMe!

No , I am not donating to a writer that is worse than any comics pro in the industry he needs $200,000 now he was asking for $75,000 I think that it's very exceptional that he is asking for money again bragging about making a shit load of money , and is asking for more money now where is your guys curly side burns small hats, and hunch backs? You already have the nose.

 

[KingofNothing]

Murata actually liked the story so much that he offered his talent to ONE. Having read the original OPM drawn by ONE himself, the art is pretty bad but you barely care about it while reading.

It's pretty amazing to me because I usually hate badly drawn comics and yet I've become a fan of his art style.

Onepunch-Man (ONE)

Follows the life of a hero who manages to win all battles with only one punch. This ability seems to frustrate him as he no longer feels the thrill and adrenaline of fighting a tough battle, which leads to him questioning his past desire of being strong.

mangarock.com

ONE has actually got better at drawing too. I wonder if he's getting tips from Murata

No , I am not donating to a writer that is worse than any comics pro in the industry he needs $200,000 now he was asking for $75,000 I think that it's very exceptional that he is asking for money again bragging about making a shit load of money , and is asking for more money now where is your guys curly side burns small hats, and hunch backs? You already have the nose.

"Why is this expensive lawsuit so expensive guys?" You always this dumb or did you practice at it?