ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

[Vitoze]

Gender-Queer Solid: Trans Eater.
@Nykysnottrans identity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfN3A5DnaTM

SUCH A LUST FOR HRT!!!!

 

[Fork Cartel]

I just want a good rundown of this pseud’s hilarious exploits without @Nykysnottrans’ autism please

 

[whatintheheck]

For some reason, a minor celebrity that comes to mind when I think of Nyk is the late Rozz Williams, singer and frontman of the 80s/90s goth-rock group Christian Death, who committed suicide by hanging himself at age 34 on April 1st Fools Day, 1998.

I don't really think most people here will like his music unless they already like stuff like Joy Division or Bauhaus, but the point is that there seems to be some striking similarities in the two. Some of the similarities I see: a touch of queerness and androgyny in their outward appearances and social presentation; a theatrical approach in their creative output; a sort of grandiosity in their sentimentality that borders on camp or kitsch -- and with it, a sort of winking acknowledgement to the 4th wall that their moroseness is bordering on silly; a penchant for drugs and alcohol; a shared childhood upbringing in (at least what they subjectively considered) stifling Protestant homes; and unfortunately a self-destructive streak that's made overtly obvious in their work.

Of course, a big point of departure is that Rozz lived as an openly gay man and pursued a career in music. For him, drag was wrapped up with his performance aesthetic (not entirely uncommon in the rock world, even among mostly "straight" figures like Kurt Cobain). This comparison isn't being made in praise of Nyk; recall that Rozz killed himself just as his artistic output seemed to be entering a phase of maturation. Kiwi farmers seem more than willing to belittle the targets of their derision/fascination to the nth degree, but I don't think anybody here wants these people to actually *die*.

I guess what made me think about this obscure guy was a combination of a Christian Death track coming up on shuffle on my playlist, and Nyk's Baltimore Maryland character's discussion about using gender-queerness as a way of getting out of society's little boxes of conformity. Except, that Rozz did the whole genderqueer shtick and found it lacking; in an act of true societal exclusion he shaved his hair, sharpied an X on his forehead, and grew a mustache in the same style as Hitler, in an act of most defiantly saying, "Now, I am not a part of society".

I'm not suggesting or wanting that anyone should follow in this guy's footsteps, as social exclusion and suicide is ultimately a path I'd rather draw people away from. But I just think it's kind of funny that a self-aggrandizing Youtuber thinks that comping the style of Conchita Wurst and putting their video out to tens-of (and sometimes hundreds-of) thousands of views is somehow an equivalent act of social defiance.

 

[Lemmingwise]

theatrical approach in their creative output; a sort of grandiosity in their sentimentality that borders on camp or kitsch -- and with it, a sort of winking acknowledgement to the 4th wall that their moroseness is bordering on silly; a penchant for drugs and alcohol;

This describes a lot of "queer culture". It describes things like hedwig's angry little inch, a lot of minor queer singers, basically all obviously gay contestants on the "got talent" shows.

I think there's something inherently connected, particularly for trans/crossdressers. They rely on theatricality to express their new gender. They have moroseness because they're depressed half the time (which is part of why they commit suicide at high rates). The aloofness/winking sillyness are a natural result from lack of being strongly rooted.

 

[Vitoze]

I just want a good rundown of this pseud’s hilarious exploits without @Nykysnottrans’ autism please

According to the honorable @Icasaracht this video reads from the thread. I'm sure its leaves stuff out but I think its pretty good.

https://youtu.be/lXkCxsZG7zo

 

[Icasaracht]

This describes a lot of "queer culture". It describes things like hedwig's angry little inch, a lot of minor queer singers, basically all obviously gay contestants on the "got talent" shows.

I think there's something inherently connected, particularly for trans/crossdressers. They rely on theatricality to express their new gender. They have moroseness because they're depressed half the time (which is part of why they commit suicide at high rates). The aloofness/winking sillyness are a natural result from lack of being strongly rooted.

The thing with LGBTQ+ communities is that they'd long since being perceived as coercive corruptors of youth - "Degenerates", "Misfits" and any other moniker applicable to those who're not part of the socially-imposed norm. It's this nonacceptance that had lead to the aggressive Stonewall riots, or the annual events such "Southern Decadence" that's held in Louisiana each year... The common theme is the rebellion or rejection of traditional norms juxtaposed with the acceptance of their perceived vices so as to aggressively push for the normalization of their lifestyle choices. The apparent need to express one's sexuality with the theatrical and/or controversial for non-traditional sexes/genders can't be pidgeonholed into some sort of mental ailment, or a mere desire for attention. It's also a calculated move, politically-speaking, as well as an outlet of one's frustration with being all too 'Other'd' by one's own society (e.g. Russia, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_i57z-slw.) 'Course on an individual level one may as well resort to such antics for a "lack of being strongly rooted", but I don't think it's fair to paint everyone under one single brush stroke. Many artists thrive on controversy and eccentricity to sell their product regardless of their sex and/or orientation. It's a marketing ploy as much (if not more than) an artistic expression.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Course on an individual level one may as well resort to such antics for a "lack of being strongly rooted", but I don't think it's fair to paint everyone under one single brush stroke.

Rebellion against the social order is a lack of being rooted in the sense that being rooted is being connected to history and traditionalism. It's the intentional resistance against roots. Now, if that root is considered poisoned or corrupted, being unrooted may well be the best choice. It's not a hard argument to make when you look at how people like Alan Turing were treated, or indeed stonewall inn.

Transgenderism is a double rebellion against roots, where not only tradition is rebelled against, but nature itself. As rare as transgenderism is, I believe the majority to be transtrenders and I did not come to that conclusion lightly. Once in a while I dive in the research to see if a compelling case has been made yet to the contrary, but despite strong desire among researchers and those that fund research to prove it, the evidence is fairly lackluster.

Finally, I speak broadly and do so intentionally. not because I believe that my claims go for 100% of the cases, but because communicating is more effective in getting the broad strokes first and then later filling in the details. If you start with the details, you might be wasting time in a conversation that doesn't materialize, as well as generally just being more boring to write and read.

For a particularly notable example of how tong tied you get when you try to be that precise rather than laying out the broad points, see how this woman keeps tripping over her words: https://youtu.be/kBiS4qTsjCg?t=139

 

[Icasaracht]

Rebellion against the social order is a lack of being rooted in the sense that being rooted is being connected to history and traditionalism. It's the intentional resistance against roots. Now, if that root is considered poisoned or corrupted, being unrooted may well be the best choice. It's not a hard argument to make when you look at how people like Alan Turing were treated, or indeed stonewall inn.

Transgenderism is a double rebellion against roots, where not only tradition is rebelled against, but nature itself. As rare as transgenderism is, I believe the majority to be transtrenders and I did not come to that conclusion lightly. Once in a while I dive in the research to see if a compelling case has been made yet to the contrary, but despite strong desire among researchers and those that fund research to prove it, the evidence is fairly lackluster.

Finally, I speak broadly and do so intentionally. not because I believe that my claims go for 100% of the cases, but because communicating is more effective in getting the broad strokes first and then later filling in the details. If you start with the details, you might be wasting time in a conversation that doesn't materialize, as well as generally just being more boring to write and read.

For a particularly notable example of how tong tied you get when you try to be that precise rather than laying out the broad points, see how this woman keeps tripping over her words: https://youtu.be/kBiS4qTsjCg?t=139

A fair riposte. I myself have only looked into transgenderism lightly insofar as the science is concerned, so I’m yet to concoct any conclusion on the issue of whether its “valid” in a strictly medical or so-called “natural” sense.

My only concern are the naive assumptions that those who’re transgender are “transtrenders” to justify one’s own discrimination towards that lot. This is the only reason why I responded as I did, as I was under the distinct impression that “roots” had cultural as well as cognitive connotations to it, which if overlapped would imply that traditions are always good and make one mentally sound. Happy to be proven wrong there, I hope. Your approach is understandable, I’m just weary of the generalities approach as used in your case because it started and ended with generalities, which feels as though you do think of things in terms of absolutes. Seems like you don’t, so yay.

 

[whatintheheck]

Transgenderism is a double rebellion against roots, where not only tradition is rebelled against, but nature itself.

Has anyone else here ever read Joris-Karl Huysmans' excellent novella 'A Rebours'? (French for "Against Nature"). Your comment made me consider it.

In some ways its themes are reflective of the modern sort of decadence that Nyk (and apparently many other Youtubers) are seeking out, and to at least some extent, living. The main focus is on a narcissistic protagonist who's obsessed with their aesthetics, both surroundings and personal.

The Wikipedia entry is actually quite good, here's a snippet from the overview:

The narrative centers on a single character: Jean des Esseintes, an eccentric, reclusive, ailing aesthete. The last scion of an aristocratic family, Des Esseintes loathes nineteenth century bourgeois society and tries to retreat into an ideal artistic world of his own creation. The narrative is almost entirely a catalogue of the neurotic Des Esseintes' aesthetic tastes, musings on literature, painting, and religion, and hyperaesthesic sensory experiences.

À rebours contains many themes that became associated with the Symbolist aesthetic. In doing so, it broke from Naturalism and became the ultimate example of "Decadent" literature, inspiring works such as Oscar Wilde's The Picture of Dorian Gray (1890). In his preface for the 1903 publication of the novel, Huysmans wrote that he had the idea to portray a man "soaring upwards into dream, seeking refuge in illusions of extravagant fantasy, living alone, far from his century, among memories of more congenial times, of less base surroundings ... each chapter became the sublimate of a specialism, the refinement of a different art; it became condensed into an essence of jewellery, perfumes, religious and secular literature, of profane music and plain-chant.

Link to Wiki article

It'll be very sad if this generation of millenials will simply be unable to produce any worthwhile art that contribute to the canon of great literature. Library of Congress asspats or not, I kind of doubt that Youtube videos that focus on extremely temporal and essentially meaningless trivia will continue to garner much critical thought into the future. And yet it seems that a lot of the clashing of ideas is happening on that platform specifically.

Anyways, I think what's happening is that there's a lot of fractional tension going on within the so-called LGBT+ community. Mainstream straight society largely just lumps all of these sorts of people together, but we can clearly see that quite a few lesbians are in vocal opposition to the idea of being shamed for excluding transwomen from their dating lives and also wanting female-exclusive spaces free from transtrender types. And a lot of this tension has little to do with politics, as many of these folks tend to be left-leaning and vote similarly. I think Zizek's commentary on LGBT+ has been particularly interesting -- he has some other very smart philosophical collaborators such as Alenka Zupancic also working in this field. These are the sort of people where we can see truly well-thought out ideas towards sexual and personal identities at a high academic level; conversely, watching pseudo-intellectuals like Nyk and Blaire have petty squabbles on Youtube is degrading and pointless and kinda depressing.

I actually think Nyk's most recent video has some positive messages about inclusion and acceptance within the trans community, and it also shows how there's not really a simple and direct conclusion to the matter. But I think it goes astray by continuing a petty grudge against Blaire White and people with that sort of view point (the Tiffany Tumbles character) -- particularly by assuming that the only reason such people could hold those views is because they feel broken inside.

Anyways, I think I'm close to getting to the breaking point of my interest in Contrapoints. I don't think we will be seeing much more intelligent discussion coming from that channel anytime in the near future, at least while the content is still so heavily focused on navel-gazing.

edit: Also, everyone should read this article: What Makes a Woman

 

[Lemmingwise]

Has anyone else here ever read Joris-Karl Huysmans' excellent novella 'A Rebours'? (French for "Against Nature"). Your comment made me consider

That's going on my reading list, thanks.

Always like reading works that inspired others well known works.

I’m just weary of the generalities approach as used in your case because it started and ended with generalities, which feels as though you do think of things in terms of absolutes

I both believe in absolutes and not. I believe that there is a perfect truth/knowledge out there regarding each subject, but also that they are generally asymptotes that you can ever get closer to and never reach.

I don't do it so I can discriminate, I do it to offer better guidance to transtrenders. Some like one of my friends believe thag people would remain excited and celebratory throughout and I warned him with the truism: people are happy now, but it will become normal and boring to them at some point. I could see in his eyes that he had never considered that and knew it to be true. He ended up not getting gender reassignment. Of course this was a friend who I knew well enough to make a strong educated guess that his transition was bullshit (he had been in two different cults since I have known him, he is easily swayed by trends and he is sufficiently bad with women that it was a bigbrained way to gain control over the feminine by becoming the feminine). I think I've met more transgenders than the average person and I have to say that completely seperate from being trans, the majority has struck me as mentally ill, and this was during a time I looked at transexuality with wonder. Of course I could be wrong. It's based on a legion of personal observations and instincts, which may be the poorest persuasionwise.

Anyways, I've derailed the thread enough.

If you're going to look into the science, don't skip out on looking into the history as well: john money.

He pioneered a good amount of the sex reassignment and "gender is fluid" ideas, with plenty of falsified research and literal child abuse (forcing twins to simulate sex), which eventually led to multiple suicides in that family.

 

[whatintheheck]

Also I just ran into this character while reading a Junji Ito collection, made me think of Nyk

 

[Lemmingwise]

Hope your friend fares better these days. I’ll definitively look into that piece of history.

He seems quite happy. He was never one of the mentally ill ones, rather supremely naive. I asked him if he remembered his motivation and he said it's because he thought transgenders were treated very badly and that he could have made a good spokesperson/shield for other transgenders.

In other words, he was probably emulating caitlyn jenners.

it’s dangerous in that anyone can claim to be just a wee-bit closer to the truth than you are

That's just competition in knowledge and when it is done with curiosity and open to inquiry it's a good thing, not dangerous.

 

[CC 855]

The Transtrender video was the first ContraPoints video that I've watched from start to finish and I'm genuinely confused as to what the take-home message was. I appreciated the critique of the 'trans-medicalist' perspective, but the conclusion to the video was very underwhelming. It was basically like, "Transgender women are women because they say so and if you question that you're bigot!" The editing and such was cool, but what is the point if nothing of substance is being said?

 

[tuscangarder]

Archive of the part with Nyk:
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He seemed autistic as a man, I say this in the literal meaning of autism. His speech pattern was weird.

 

[Nocturna]

This describes a lot of "queer culture". It describes things like hedwig's angry little inch, a lot of minor queer singers, basically all obviously gay contestants on the "got talent" shows.

I think there's something inherently connected, particularly for trans/crossdressers. They rely on theatricality to express their new gender. They have moroseness because they're depressed half the time (which is part of why they commit suicide at high rates). The aloofness/winking sillyness are a natural result from lack of being strongly rooted.

Please. The only reason these effeminate men with matching attire think hey are some new gender is because effeminacy in men is looked down upon and because of this, you hardly see overtly looking feminine men in the mainstream outside of a few. The last good example of one we had who was a global star was the late Pete Burns from the 80s band Dead or Alive. I'm glad someone else mentioned Rozz Williams because he was another one who was known to look overtly feminine only he was a Goth and he was not as mainstream known as Pete Burns was. I would also include Boy George but he chose to look more masculine in his older age whereas Pete stayed the same to death and now you hardly ever hear him brought up.

So that's why to he outside world, people like Contrapoints seem new and innovative when they really aren't.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Can he go back to being nick

 

[MacabroniAndCheese]

New video

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Absolute favorite part of this video:
Contra mockingly acting as an anti-SJW who's making fun of SJWs saying "there's over 100000 genders respect my neopronouns shitlord" as if to say all antis have are ad-homs and flimsy non-arguments while real Contra, The Intellectual™ With The Correct Opinion You're Supposed To Agree With, complains about how it's unfair to make fun of the opponent and attack only their weakest arguments so checkmate antis Contra wins. Because mocking antis and their opinions to show they're wrong by acting as a hyperbole of an anti that doesn't bring up any of the real arguments antis have is tooootally not the same thing Contra just said all antis do and is bad and unintellectual. All with zero hints of irony or self-awareness of being hypocritical. Amazing.

 

[Traummaschine]

It wasn’t about any clear conclusion inasmuch as seeking reconciliation between incompatible world views, of which all are presumed to rest in part on irrational/emotional aspects of the brain, and are thenceforth subjective. Any strong conclusion would’ve been against the spirit of the video, so to speak. Though there is some bias against Tiffany/Blaire White insofar as the Trans self-loathing goes (Natalie is consistent in being anti-bigotry, in addition to having a raging boner for that comely lass.)

Although admittedly I couldn't be bothered to watch 30 mins of that, from what I saw you are very wrong. The conclusion is shown already in the title -- It's "transtrenders", not transtrenders. As in it's a bullshit term. But just like the title the video is packed into vagueness to create a fake sense of deepness to the conclusion. This has been Contra's MO a long time now, but it has gotten worse and worse as his videos has become less and less about discussing a subject and more and more about playing dress-up and talking about his (seemingly) deteriorating state of mind.

So what's the point? By now it seems mainly to be about theatrics.

He seemed autistic as a man, I say this in the literal meaning of autism. His speech pattern was weird.

This is mere speculation from me, but I think part of it is that he's sort of playing a role here too. In an earlier video posted here I noted that he seemed to try to sound like Hitchens. When he spoke about atheism he became stereotypical atheist man. And while it's not unusual to pick up things like this from people you admire, it fits quite well with him being more about characters and parodies with little substance. Also maybe with him becoming this parody

 

[tuscangarder]

The Transtrender video was the first ContraPoints video that I've watched from start to finish and I'm genuinely confused as to what the take-home message was. I appreciated the critique of the 'trans-medicalist' perspective, but the conclusion to the video was very underwhelming. It was basically like, "Transgender women are women because they say so and if you question that you're bigot!" The editing and such was cool, but what is the point if nothing of substance is being said?

The message was that trans people shouldn't be tru-scum to try and impress cis-scum.

The trender being named Baltimore, Maryland actually made me laugh.

 

[Traummaschine]

It is “Transtrenders” ‘cause the term is ubiquitous with anyone who tries passing as a Trans person. Everyone (characters) in the video are quizzed about their identity because there is no clear boundary of as to when an individual is a so-called “trender”. It’s no different than showing a pipe and then saying “This is not a pipe”. You can’t get any deeper than that.

In short, Contra did it because he thinks it's a bullshit term. Seems we are mostly agreeing here, except I don't find the presentation very deep or insightful.

Arguing your case by interpreting the title and then disposing of the bulk of the content as “vagaries” makes you looks exceptional at best.

Ohh no.