ANTIFA / Antifascist Action / Antifaschistische Aktion - The anti-fascist gang with fascist tendencies

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Next year is gonna be wild.

Unironically considered advising a Portland friend to buy a helmet to wear when passing through downtown around the election...

 

[Particle Bored]

Ruh roh raggy.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Aren't you a doctor? You know that blows to the head can be fatal. Ngo has a subarachnoid hemorrhage. You know what that means. Why are you acting like a tard in this thread?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Work with MSF if you want to see what real violence looks like.

 

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Ruh roh raggy.
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Suddenly, that Stand Down order will VANISH. Guarantee it.

And they'll smugly point out that they had to because of that horrible fascist rioting that involved alt-right terrorists attacking that poor innocent Andy Ngo guy back in July.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Suddenly, that Stand Down order will VANISH. Guarantee it.

And they'll smugly point out that they had to because of that horrible fascist rioting that involved alt-right terrorists attacking that poor innocent Andy Ngo guy back in July.

Or just getting the stand down order revoked will be enough because antifa will be looking for a fight so they'll try and spark one with who's ever closest which will more than likely be the cops.

Basically you just need to stand around and do nothing because antifa wants to provoke a fight and the longer you do nothing the more impatient they'll get.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Work with MSF if you want to see what real violence looks like.

So it's not 'really real' violence, huh? Kind of like how Whoopi talked about what Roman Polanski did wasn't rape-rape.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Work with MSF if you want to see what real violence looks like.

Yeah stupid games like exercising your first amendment rights as a journalist and walking on a public street in the middle of the day.

Come on, the "someone somewhere else has it worse" game is a cop out. The whole idea is to prevent our country from turning into the kind of third world chaotic shithole that needs MSF.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Edit: I'm a tard and it's the 4th.

 

[moocow]

They already are doing so. Any mention of Cement Milkshakes results in Chappo Trap House idiots parroting the exact same mantra. "That was a hoax, look, these Antifa affiliated newspapers agree!"

I hope to god Ngo nails the fuck out of the City of Portland and the Portland PD. It's the only way this de-escalates safely. Antifa is going to keep pushing until they get their violent reaction -- i.e., someone gets hit with a milkshake and guns the idiots in black down for doing so -- because they know the media will spin them as martyrs who dindu nuffin and the evil alt-right as some sort of armed uprising.

Edit: I should say, the higher up Antifa types know that, and are counting on making Martyrs out of their stupid idiot followers. The actual street thug antifa types don't think there will ever be any pushback.

There's one other way this can go that will ruin things for them: Antifa scores a kill against an unarmed bystander and someone records and posts it for the world to see.

Antifa's gotten lucky so far that none of their idiots have actually managed to kill someone with their (potentially very lethal) attacks. They've cracked skulls and put people in hospitals, but so far (in recent times in the US, anyway) they haven't killed anyone. So they and their media friends can spin it and make it seem like Antifa aren't that bad, just a little "enthusiastic."

The moment they actually murder someone, shit gets real. There's no spinning that (especially if the video goes viral and the news can't get out in front of it). Suddenly Antifa aren't just some armchair anarchist larpers -- now they're a roving gang of thugs with a kill count. You know some Antifa will openly brag about it, which will just antagonize people further. People will react angrily to that and start howling for blood, and eventually (if the government won't get it for them) will go hunting for it themselves.

Antifa killing someone will immediately make them a national problem rather than a local one. Trump will likely give it some attention. The FBI will take the opportunity to declare Antifa a terrorist organization. Portland and Berkeley won't be able to protect their pets anymore because the feds will roll into town looking for scalps, and they're just as likely to start at city hall as anywhere else.

It'll become their equivalent of the Unite the Right rally, and it'll hang around their necks like an albatross just like it did for the "alt-right."

I don't want Antifa to be crushed via violent means (especially not death); I'd prefer to see the leaders in prison along with their members who've actually been violent and their non-offending rank-and-file shamed into becoming productive citizens. The alternatives just suck, and I fear they're more likely than Antifa suddenly coming to their senses.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

There's one other way this can go that will ruin things for them: Antifa scores a kill against an unarmed bystander and someone records and posts it for the world to see.

Antifa's gotten lucky so far that none of their idiots have actually managed to kill someone with their (potentially very lethal) attacks. They've cracked skulls and put people in hospitals, but so far (in recent times in the US, anyway) they haven't killed anyone. So they and their media friends can spin it and make it seem like Antifa aren't that bad, just a little "enthusiastic."

The moment they actually murder someone, shit gets real. There's no spinning that (especially if the video goes viral and the news can't get out in front of it). Suddenly Antifa aren't just some armchair anarchist larpers -- now they're a roving gang of thugs with a kill count. You know some Antifa will openly brag about it, which will just antagonize people further. People will react angrily to that and start howling for blood, and eventually (if the government won't get it for them) will go hunting for it themselves.

Antifa killing someone will immediately make them a national problem rather than a local one. Trump will likely give it some attention. The FBI will take the opportunity to declare Antifa a terrorist organization. Portland and Berkeley won't be able to protect their pets anymore because the feds will roll into town looking for scalps, and they're just as likely to start at city hall as anywhere else.

It'll become their equivalent of the Unite the Right rally, and it'll hang around their necks like an albatross just like it did for the "alt-right."

I don't want Antifa to be crushed via violent means (especially not death); I'd prefer to see the leaders in prison along with their members who've actually been violent and their non-offending rank-and-file shamed into becoming productive citizens. The alternatives just suck, and I fear they're more likely than Antifa suddenly coming to their senses.

At this point, they have come close enough to killing people and been able to sweep it under the rug, I had to rate this optimistic, because I don't even know that the murder of a bystander on camera would stop it. The spin machine on Twitter would dig up some dirt on the victim and twist it to imply that they were secretly alt right--maybe grandma used to call Chinese people "orientals" or maybe she went to a Kid Rock show, or her nephew posts on /pol, whatever. It would be framed up as the tragic accident caused by a few overenthusiastic "kids" who were probably abused for being trannies or whatever, and it would go away.

I mean they beat that Bernie Sanders supporter to within an inch of his life and he was just a random civilian holding an American flag, and that's been all but forgotten now. Meanwhile anyone who is openly GOP in Portland is blamed for the actions of a literally psychotic deranged man who slashed people on the MAX, because he was once seen at an alt right rally.

 

[Broseph Stalin]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Work with MSF if you want to see what real violence looks like.

Aren't MSF those niggers that patch up both sides of a conflict and constantly get shot because they're spyniggers or some shit?

 

[Vitoze]

At this point, they have come close enough to killing people and been able to sweep it under the rug, I had to rate this optimistic, because I don't even know that the murder of a bystander on camera would stop it. The spin machine on Twitter would dig up some dirt on the victim and twist it to imply that they were secretly alt right--maybe grandma used to call Chinese people "orientals" or maybe she went to a Kid Rock show, or her nephew posts on /pol, whatever. It would be framed up as the tragic accident caused by a few overenthusiastic "kids" who were probably abused for being trannies or whatever, and it would go away.

I mean they beat that Bernie Sanders supporter to within an inch of his life and he was just a random civilian holding an American flag, and that's been all but forgotten now. Meanwhile anyone who is openly GOP in Portland is blamed for the actions of a literally psychotic deranged man who slashed people on the MAX, because he was once seen at an alt right rally.

A car accident at Charlottesville became an act of literal existential terrorism for our republic (dude had just texted his mom and had directions home put into google maps, memes posted a year beforehand =/= premeditation), a murder from antifa would likely just be an "accident." They'll be able to spin it, but not to the point where you won't see actual right wing vigilantism. That's when things get really serious.

edit: All it would take to fix this issue would have been to actually enforce laws and have police do their jobs. No anti-trump riots in 2015, no pre-emptive state of emergency in Charlottesville, and cops that can keep protesters separated. We are too deep into this cycle, and we've already seen how this ends.

 

[moocow]

At this point, they have come close enough to killing people and been able to sweep it under the rug, I had to rate this optimistic, because I don't even know that the murder of a bystander on camera would stop it. The spin machine on Twitter would dig up some dirt on the victim and twist it to imply that they were secretly alt right--maybe grandma used to call Chinese people "orientals" or maybe she went to a Kid Rock show, or her nephew posts on /pol, whatever. It would be framed up as the tragic accident caused by a few overenthusiastic "kids" who were probably abused for being trannies or whatever, and it would go away.

I mean they beat that Bernie Sanders supporter to within an inch of his life and he was just a random civilian holding an American flag, and that's been all but forgotten now. Meanwhile anyone who is openly GOP in Portland is blamed for the actions of a literally psychotic deranged man who slashed people on the MAX, because he was once seen at an alt right rally.

Right, they beat the guy within an inch of his life, but didn't actually kill him. That makes a difference. Someone who gets beaten up (even to near-death) at a political dust-up is a statistic. People tend to think "meh, it sucks but it goes with the territory if you go to a protest."

Someone getting killed changes the game. Yes, things get heated at protests, and yes, sometimes people throw punches, bottles, rocks, etc. But you don't form up lynch mobs and kill people over their political beliefs. Especially not while hiding behind masks and enjoying police protection. Not in America. That's a beeline straight into literal "roving death squads" territory. That'll wake up even the moderates.

And with everyone paying attention and realizing exactly which side has just made roving death squads a reality, public opinion will shift rapidly against Antifa and the liberals who support and enable them. "Alright, you told us for years that Trump would usher in literal death squads, but now there's a body on the deck and your hands are covered in blood. What gives?"

The media can try to frame it up any way they like, but death crosses the line in most people's heads. Spin won't really matter when there's a body to put in the ground. The victim was a racist? Apart from the radical left you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone willing to say a person deserves to die for being a racist. Or for going to a Kid Rock show or posting on /pol/. I know modern journalists are crazy but even CNN's "finest" wouldn't dare say something like that publicly.

And if the victim were a woman, or black, or a child? Pffft... no amount of spin or victim blaming could ever dig Antifa out of that hole. Trying it would be career suicide for any journalist or network and political suicide for any public official.

ETA:

They'll be able to spin it, but not to the point where you won't see actual right wing vigilantism. That's when things get really serious.

This is a good point, too. Once we cross the line into "somebody died" territory, there's bound to be escalation. Political rallies and protests will no longer just be waving banners, shouting slogans and egging each other on with a slap or a rock or a stick. People will know that they might be killed or have to kill someone in self-defense if they attend. A different kind of person attends such events. They come prepared.

Antifa won't win that fight, and the police can't save them.

 

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This is a good point, too. Once we cross the line into "somebody died" territory, there's bound to be escalation. Political rallies and protests will no longer just be waving banners, shouting slogans and egging each other on with a slap or a rock or a stick. People will know that they might be killed or have to kill someone in self-defense if they attend. A different kind of person attends such events. They come prepared.

Antifa won't win that fight, and the police can't save them.

There was a guy who showed up with a stick and a shield to Antifa events because they had escalated to "beat people to near death with bike locks." Didn't they nail him to the wall for daring to defend himself?

That's what we're gonna see if this does escalate. ANY self defense or right wing violence will be literally the worst thing ever and require immediate congressional intervention, while literal Marxist terror squads in our streets will be poor widdle angels who dindu nuffin, they were just defending themselves from teh evil alt right.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Notice how they showed up in Portland to "Fight Fascism" against people they knew would be unarmed.

But when the truckers, loggers, farmers, and factory workers showed up in Salem to protest the signing of the Cap & Trade Bill, as well as the Senate members being guarded by militia members/preppers/survivalists...

...they were nowhere to be found.

Gee. I wonder why.

What kind of fascism are they supposedly fighting in Portland?

Right, they beat the guy within an inch of his life, but didn't actually kill him. That makes a difference. Someone who gets beaten up (even to near-death) at a political dust-up is a statistic. People tend to think "meh, it sucks but it goes with the territory if you go to a protest."

Someone getting killed changes the game. Yes, things get heated at protests, and yes, sometimes people throw punches, bottles, rocks, etc. But you don't form up lynch mobs and kill people over their political beliefs. Especially not while hiding behind masks and enjoying police protection. Not in America. That's a beeline straight into literal "roving death squads" territory. That'll wake up even the moderates.

And with everyone paying attention and realizing exactly which side has just made roving death squads a reality, public opinion will shift rapidly against Antifa and the liberals who support and enable them. "Alright, you told us for years that Trump would usher in literal death squads, but now there's a body on the deck and your hands are covered in blood. What gives?"

The media can try to frame it up any way they like, but death crosses the line in most people's heads. Spin won't really matter when there's a body to put in the ground. The victim was a racist? Apart from the radical left you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone willing to say a person deserves to die for being a racist. Or for going to a Kid Rock show or posting on /pol/. I know modern journalists are crazy but even CNN's "finest" wouldn't dare say something like that publicly.

And if the victim were a woman, or black, or a child? Pffft... no amount of spin or victim blaming could ever dig Antifa out of that hole. Trying it would be career suicide for any journalist or network and political suicide for any public official.

ETA:

This is a good point, too. Once we cross the line into "somebody died" territory, there's bound to be escalation. Political rallies and protests will no longer just be waving banners, shouting slogans and egging each other on with a slap or a rock or a stick. People will know that they might be killed or have to kill someone in self-defense if they attend. A different kind of person attends such events. They come prepared.

Antifa won't win that fight, and the police can't save them.

I really hope it never has to come down to that. Even then, that that one lady that got killed/died at Charlottesville drew somewhat serious heat onto the alt-right, but even then, it's hardly a go-to example these days. What makes you think that someone dying at the hands of Antifa will cause the change you're predicting?

 

[moocow]

There was a guy who showed up with a stick and a shield to Antifa events because they had escalated to "beat people to near death with bike locks." Didn't they nail him to the wall for daring to defend himself?

They tried, yes, because they're fucking idiots. Nobody bought it, because it was obviously a stunt. No one shows up for a fight against people with bike locks and batons armed with a trash can lid shield and a pointy stick and expects to be taken seriously. He became a meme (in a good way) and Antifa was mocked for feeling threatened by a guy with a fucking stick.

That's what we're gonna see if this does escalate. ANY self defense or right wing violence will be literally the worst thing ever and require immediate congressional intervention, while literal Marxist terror squads in our streets will be poor widdle angels who dindu nuffin, they were just defending themselves from teh evil alt right.

Antifa are completely ill-prepared to confront the kinds of people who will start to turn up at future protests once Antifa scores a kill -- people willing to do more than throw a punch in self defense. They'll get hurt more and more at every conflict they start until they start routinely leaving on stretchers or in body bags.

The media's efforts to spin it won't matter. What you describe is already the status quo. There has yet to be any kind of favorable coverage of any instance of a conservative being (physically) attacked by liberals wherein the media condemns the behavior. That behavior suddenly taking a lethal turn? Nobody's going to shed any crocodile tears over that. "Good. It's about time somebody fought back."

Antifa will lose their balls fucking fast once they take a few heavy losses. These aren't the European-style Antifa of old with any real conviction or staying power. These are upper-middle class hipsters larping as revolutionaries. Once they realize people aren't fucking around anymore and are hitting back hard, the larping will stop and mysteriously so will the violence.

How does the media spin that?

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I really hope it never has to come down to that. Even then, that that one lady that got killed/died at Charlottesville drew somewhat serious heat onto the alt-right, but even then, it's hardly a go-to example these days. What makes you think that someone dying at the hands of Antifa will cause the change you're predicting?

It's because the left have consistently been the aggressors since the 2016 elections and everyone knows it. Up until now the right has displayed incredible restraint in the face of constant antagonism, provocation and straight up violence. I believe that's largely because nobody's actually died from this stupidity yet and there's still a sense that it's best to let these jackasses make fools of themselves so everybody can see how insane they are.

That goes away once Antifa kills somebody. Now they're not just making fools of themselves. They're lethal.

It becomes impossible for the media to spin Antifa as "freedom fighters" or "viva la resistance!" if they're actively killing people for wrongthink. If they try, it's trivial to point out they're now directly endorsing terrorism as an acceptable means of political change. Remember the executive branch of the government is conservative-controlled right now and already pissed at the media and big tech. Giving Trump an excuse to start tugging the PATRIOT Act's strings doesn't seem like a brilliant idea. It allows for some pretty heavy shit.

Meanwhile it becomes "unhealthy" to publicly identify as Antifa since people now understand you're a potentially lethal threat. Not even Portland could get away with allowing Antifa to rampage unchecked in those circumstances. They'd need full police activation to keep people from killing the bastards.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

When you mock a gay POC with brain injuries because you're on The Right Side Of History (TM)

How do these tards live with themselves?

"Far right propagandist Tim Pool"

 

[Particle Bored]

They tried, yes, because they're fucking idiots. Nobody bought it, because it was obviously a stunt. No one shows up for a fight against people with bike locks and batons armed with a trash can lid shield and a pointy stick and expects to be taken seriously. He became a meme (in a good way) and Antifa was mocked for feeling threatened by a guy with a fucking stick.

Dude, Stickman fucked some shit up. They had reason to feel threatened. Cops banned weapons from Battle of Berkeley, so he wore a spiked ring. I can attest that that ring was red and "chunky" by the end of the day.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

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When you mock a gay POC with brain injuries because you're on The Right Side Of History (TM)

They couldn't even do a parallel parody right, and on top of that, incontinence could as well be a symptom of his brain injury, but he's making fun of that.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I think the beating of Andy Ngo might just be Antifa's equivalent of Unite The Right, especially if Andy Ngo dies from his injuries within the next week or two. I hope he can make it and try to recover as best he can, but given the scope and severity of his injuries, I'm not optimistic.

Despite the best efforts of CNN, MSNBC, and the clickbait mills, this story is gaining traction at an alarming rate. This was caught on camera as it happened and was all over the internet. Despite Google's efforts, the story is still spreading and Fox News is covering it in more detail and with more intensity than the bike lock guy.

Andy Ngo is suing Portland's government and he has a major brain hemorrhage and brain damage. With brain bleeds, it is very likely you can die and a lot of the time, it happens days or weeks after the initial injury that caused it. Andy is not out of the woods yet and if he dies from his injuries, then Antifa has essentially crossed the point of no return.

Also, the man hit with a bike lock eventually lived to tell the tale and IIRC, that incident happened close to Charlottesville so the MSM was still treating Antifa with kid gloves while the clickbait mills were kissing their commie asses.

Now people are a lot more tired of Antifa's antics and it's practically an open secret in the Portland area that Rose City Antifa controls Portland the same way the Italian Mafia controlled Las Vegas back in the day. Also, Andy is openly gay and is not white.

While SJW's treat Asians like Honorary Whites at this point and normaie gay men as Honorary Straights, your average normie on the streets would still view a guy like Ngo as a minority, so Antifa and their supports can't play the "evil straight white male" card effectively and even their efforts to paint him as an Alt-Right figure are starting to backfire since he is a moderate conservative who is to the left of Ben Shapiro.

I think the tide is now finally turning against Antifa, If they get another kill on camera, they're done for. Especially if it's a woman, a minor, or someone higher up on the Progressive Stack such as a black person or a transgender person.