Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

Since the GFM is a hot topic because the defendants seem to be butthurt by it, I'll link the ToS and try to show what section pertains to Nick running the GFM as a non-beneficiary.

GoFundMe Terms of Service

This page contains the terms of service for the online fundraising service GoFundMe.

www.gofundme.com

Edit: Seems like they wanted to target it to freeze incoming funds because of legal circumstances. It's almost like they tried to use this to freeze the GFM whether they were right or wrong, but I'm assuming legal matters were already discussed as expected.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Since the GFM is a hot topic because the defendants seem to be butthurt by it, I'll link the ToS and try to show what section pertains to Nick running the GFM as a non-beneficiary.

GoFundMe Terms of Service

This page contains the terms of service for the online fundraising service GoFundMe.

www.gofundme.com

When was the last ToS update for GoFundMe?

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

When was the last ToS update for GoFundMe?

Apparently May 20th. But I doubt the non-beneficiary section changed much.

Unless someone can prove us wrong and can provide a previous revision.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Since the GFM is a hot topic because the defendants seem to be butthurt by it, I'll link the ToS and try to show what section pertains to Nick running the GFM as a non-beneficiary.

GoFundMe Terms of Service

This page contains the terms of service for the online fundraising service GoFundMe.

www.gofundme.com

Edit: Seems like they wanted to target it to freeze incoming funds because of legal circumstances. It's almost like they tried to use this to freeze the GFM whether they were right or wrong, but I'm assuming legal matters were already discussed as expected.

I believe they may be a little pissed off at the fact that this exists, but they can't stop it because the GFM is not being used for a legal defense.

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

I believe they may be a little pissed off at the fact that this exists, but they can't stop it because the GFM is not being used for a legal defense.

The case with Sarah and her brother is a good example of violating this rule. IIRC, you can't use a GFM to raise money in defense of a federal crime. Since the Vic case is a civil one and he is not the defendant, it is perfectly fine.

Edit: think of it this way. GFM vs the government and state is not legal. GFM vs another individual is fine.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

The case with Sarah and her brother is a good example of violating this rule. IIRC, you can't use a GFM to raise money in defense of a federal crime. Since the Vic case is a civil one and he is not the defendant, it is perfectly fine.

It's also up to GFM's sole discretion. It explicitly states that GFMs can't be used for legal defense of the listed crimes, but it does leave them room for case-by-case basis.

Even then, there's not a single rule saying it can't be used to fund a Plaintiff, so egg is on Lemonhead's face

 

[Adach_Ame]

It's also up to GFM's sole discretion. It explicitly states that GFMs can't be used for legal defense of the listed crimes, but it does leave them room for case-by-case basis.

Even then, there's not a single rule saying it can't be used to fund a Plaintiff, so egg is on Lemonhead's face

Also, there is an account format that does exactly that contrary to the name, it's for support for both defending AND filing a suit

Notice what nick refers to in the GFM? This is likely what that phrasing is referring to. And heavily is implied to be the case.

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

It's also up to GFM's sole discretion. It explicitly states that GFMs can't be used for legal defense of the listed crimes, but it does leave them room for case-by-case basis.

Even then, there's not a single rule saying it can't be used to fund a Plaintiff, so egg is on Lemonhead's face

Considering how funds immediately go into the IOLTA account and Nick has no direct contribution to the GFM...

For the 100th time, it can't be shut down. He's followed every single rule or law, and GFM is aware of fraud issues.

 

[Adach_Ame]

I often question all these twitter lolwyers credibility, for not knowing what a Legal Defense Fund is.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Also, there is an account format that does exactly that contrary to the name, it's for support for both defending AND filing a suit
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Notice what nick refers to in the GFM? This is likely what that phrasing is referring to. And heavily is implied to be the case.

If I am understanding the GFM ToS correctly, GFM just reserves the right to terminate a campaign so it's not being used to defend a terrorist or someone who's committed a heinous crime

 

[Adach_Ame]

If I am understanding the GFM ToS correctly, GFM just reserves the right to terminate a campaign so it's not being used to defend a terrorist or someone who's committed a heinous crime

I think that's pretty fair reason to terminate, neither of which Vic qualifies for. The latter is "PROVEN" heinous crime.

 

[Nontransferable]

The largest GoFundMe ever is a legal defense fund.

 

[Pixis]

There's talk of MoRon's super lawyers taking their case on contingency. LMAO why they or anyone thinks this makes sense is beyond me

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[Immaculate Ape]

There's talk of MoRon's super lawyers taking their case on contingency. LMAO why they or anyone thinks this makes sense is beyond me

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They must really think that they're going to win the case on TCPA and are bringing in as many lawyers as possible to rack up the attorney's fees.

That'd explain why there are cucks crawling out of the cracks in the floor to defend these morons. Looks like they found a handful of Lionel Hutz's colleagues

 

[UA 674]

There's talk of MoRon's super lawyers taking their case on contingency. LMAO why they or anyone thinks this makes sense is beyond me

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>gets called out by rackets

>immediately has to call for help from the three stooges

 

[Genkoda]

There's talk of MoRon's super lawyers taking their case on contingency. LMAO why they or anyone thinks this makes sense is beyond me

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More than likely ron misrepresented the case to them and casey did not look more into it thinking it was an open and shut case. Now he is in too deep and has to somehow recover his fees, and so pulls any dirty trick he can. What kickvic does not get is when you have to pull these types of tactics in a legal sense, then your defense is not as strong as you might think.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

>gets called out by rackets

>immediately has to call for help from the three stooges

How Embarrassing!

 

[FGO-Professor-P2PBTW]

There's talk of MoRon's super lawyers taking their case on contingency. LMAO why they or anyone thinks this makes sense is beyond me

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So I keep hearing how MoRon has only payed their council 10K or something like that. If it becomes obvious that the clients just can't pay, are they allowed to just drop them? I know that judges HATE when lawyers try to get paid through the TCPA, but from the look of things that seems to be the only way that Casey and Co. get any bang for their buck.

Edit:Grammar

 

[Pixis]

More than likely ron misrepresented the case to them and casey did not look more into it thinking it was an open and shut case. Now he is in too deep and has to somehow recover his fees, and so pulls any dirty trick he can. What kickvic does not get is when you have to pull these types of tactics in a legal sense, then your defense is not as strong as you might think.

Also, from what I understand so far, lawyers don't typically make arrangements for contingency plans when their client is the defendant. Rackets has also mentioned that it's not at all common for a judge to award attorney fees one way or the other, as it is. I'm not sure if that applies in cases where the defendant is granted their TCPA or not, I'll have to read up on it. In any event, I don't believe MoRon is going to get the case dismissed by filing TCPA, and I don't believe that they actually believe they will either. To me, it just comes off as more attempts at bluffing in hopes they're able to get Vic to back off.

 

[Allanon]

50% chance it was a fig op. Not a tard wrangler. Don't care.

Could have been worse. Someone could have run up to him and stabbed him in the heart with a steak knife. Was something that happened recently here in (checks proxy) Chicago. Guy walks into a crowded restaurant looking for his ex. Stabs her in the heart. She dies.

That reminds me again of that youtuber singer who was killed. Opened up her arms to hug a fan and got shot in the face three times, because he was some psycho stalker type. Considering all the fuss, VAs should be happy that anime fandom (at least in NA) is less psychotic than youtube/band fandom.

Yea I feel the same way but of course want Nick to make money off his live streams. I really wish there wasn't the expectation that super chats were read and they were more like tips. The super chats can really f up the flow of the show and most of them aren't very value-added.

He has to read off the superchats or he wouldn't get nearly as many. The promise of reading them all is a huge drive for people to send them in. If he ever changed that, you'd see his superchats drop off fairly dramaticly. He's pulling in superchats at a gold or diamond subscriber level when he hasn't even earned his silver plaque yet. That's because of his superchat policy. If he changed it, that would dry up extremely quickly.

I don't care if people spend money on supechats. Use your money how you want, you're not obligated to donate to the GFM. Besides, Nick has pointed out before it's as useful or moreso that you share it so more people can see it and donate in it.