Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking of Minors

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Billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was arrested for allegedly sex trafficking dozens of minors in New York and Florida between 2002 and 2005, and will appear in court in New York on Monday, according to three law enforcement sources. The arrest, by the FBI-NYPD Crimes Against Children Task Force, comes about 12 years after the 66-year-old financier essentially got a slap on the wrist for allegedly molesting dozens of underage girls in Florida.

For more than a decade, Epstein’s alleged abuse of minors has been the subject of lawsuits brought by victims, investigations by local and federal authorities, and exposés in the press. But despite the attention cast on his alleged sex crimes, the hedge-funder has managed to avoid any meaningful jail time, let alone federal charges.

The new indictment—which, according to two sources, will be unsealed Monday in Manhattan federal court—will reportedly allege that Epstein sexually exploited dozens of underage girls in a now-familiar scheme: paying them cash for "massages" and then molesting or sexually abusing them in his Upper East Side mansion or his palatial residence in Palm Beach. Epstein will be charged with one count of sex trafficking of minors and one count of conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of minors—which could put him away for a maximum of 45 years. The case is being handled by the Public Corruption Unit of the Southern District of New York, with assistance from the district's human-trafficking officials and the FBI.

Several of the billionaire's employees and associates allegedly recruited the girls for Epstein's abuse, and some victims eventually became recruiters themselves, according to law enforcement. The girls were as young as 14, and Epstein knew they were underage, according to details of the arrest and indictment shared by two officials.


Epstein's attorney Martin Weinberg declined to comment when reached by The Daily Beast on Saturday night. The SDNY also declined to comment.

“It’s been a long time coming—it’s been too long coming,” said attorney David Boies, who represents Epstein accusers Virginia Roberts Giuffre and Sarah Ransome. “It is an important step towards getting justice for the many victims of Mr. Epstein’s sex trafficking enterprise.

“We hope that prosecutors will not stop with Mr. Epstein because there were many other people who participated with him and made the sex trafficking possible," he told The Daily Beast.

In an era where #MeToo has toppled powerful men, Epstein’s name was largely absent from the national conversation, until the Miami Herald published a three-part series on how his wealth, power and influence shielded him from federal prosecution. For years, The Daily Beast has reported on Epstein’s alleged abuse, and his easy jail sentence and soft treatment by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, which ultimately scrapped a 53-page indictment against Epstein. An earlier version of Epstein’s plea deal included a 10-year federal sentence—before his star-studded lawyers threatened to go to trial in a case prosecutors feared was unwinnable, in part because Epstein’s team dredged up dirt on the victims, including social media posts indicating drug use.

Meanwhile, the financier flitted among his homes in Palm Beach, New York City, and the Virgin Islands, as well as his secluded Zorro Ranch in Stanley, New Mexico, transporting young women on his private jet to facilitate the sexual abuse that’s gone unchecked by authorities, his alleged victims say.

In an announcement planned for Monday the FBI is expected to provide a number for other victims to contact the SDNY.

As early as 2003, Vicky Ward’s Vanity Fair profile cracked into Epstein’s enigmatic facade and, as Ward noted, revealed “he was definitely not what he claimed to be.” Back then, allegations of sexual abuse leveled by one accuser, Maria Farmer, and her family were excised from Ward’s piece after Epstein pressured the magazine.

Epstein’s bust comes mere months after a federal judge ruled his 2007 non-prosecution agreement—secretly inked under former U.S. Attorney and current Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta—violated federal law by keeping Epstein’s victims in the dark. Under the sweetheart deal, Epstein dodged federal charges that might have sent him to prison for life. He instead pleaded guilty to minor state charges in Palm Beach, and served 13 months in a private wing of a county jail, mostly on work release.

The alleged victims, who sued the government for violating the Crime Victims’ Rights Act, asked the court to rescind Epstein’s non-prosecution agreement and called for the feds to hold him criminally liable. The NPA also granted immunity to Epstein’s co-conspirators, identified in the document as “including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia Marcinkova.”

But in June, prosecutors for the government advised the judge to uphold the plea deal, saying that voiding it would “cause unintended harm to many of” the victims and jeopardize monetary settlements that more than a dozen of them received.

Epstein reportedly supplied valuable intel to federal investigators in exchange for his lenient plea deal; it’s been speculated this information may have been related to Bear Stearns executives’ alleged crimes in the lead-up to the 2008 financial crisis.

According to one Page Six report, Epstein lost $57 million in Bear Stearns’ collapse and was a victim identified as “Major Investor No. 1” in the indictment of hedge-fund managers Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tanin. (A federal jury acquitted Cioffi and Tanin of securities fraud charges.) But in March 2019, FOX Business reported that Epstein “did not provide any meaningful cooperation to obtain his relatively light sentence in the hedge fund case or likely any case tied to the financial crisis.” Jack Goldberger, one of Epstein’s attorneys in the Palm Beach sex-crimes case, told FOX of the Bear Stearns’ prosecution, “Mr. Epstein was never spoken to by any of the authorities on this subject. He was a very large investor. No more, no less.”

One former federal prosecutor on the Bear Stearns case agreed. “Bottom line, I have no knowledge of Epstein cooperating in any way in the Bear Stearns case. There was no reason to use him,” the ex-prosecutor told FOX.

Epstein’s Victims
Once a math teacher at the elite Dalton School, Jeffrey Epstein left for Bear Stearns before starting his own firm, J. Epstein & Co., which supposedly only managed the fortunes of billionaires. Les Wexner, chairman of Limited Brands, is his only known client. (In April 2019, a new accuser came forward with claims that Epstein and his alleged madame, Ghislaine Maxwell, assaulted her at Wexner’s Ohio residence in the 1990s. Epstein, Maxwell and Wexner have not commented on these allegations.)

Epstein’s financial career has always been shrouded in mystery.

Over the years, Epstein billed himself as a renowned philanthropist and pledged $30 million for Harvard’s Program for Evolutionary Dynamics. He’s palled around with a host of famous faces including Donald Trump and Bill Clinton; the latter traveled with Epstein to Africa to address issues like economic development and AIDS.

In a 2002 profile in New York, one fellow Wall Streeter described Epstein as a “mysterious, Gatsbyesque figure” who “likes people to think that he is very rich” and “cultivates this air of aloofness.” Another prominent investor added: “He once told me he had 300 people working for him, and I’ve also heard that he manages Rockefeller money. But one never knows. It’s like looking at the Wizard of Oz—there may be less there than meets the eye.”

Vanity Fair’s 2003 take on Epstein compared him to the self-made Jay Gatsby, too. “The trading desks don’t seem to know him. It’s unusual for animals that big not to leave any footprints in the snow,” one insider told the magazine.

During his high-flying finance years, Epstein also allegedly harbored a dark secret: his widespread abuse of underage girls. In 2005, Palm Beach police launched an investigation into Epstein after a 14-year-old girl told police an older man named “Jeff” had molested her at his residence, a two-story pink mansion on a dead-end street.


Authorities would discover a disturbing teen sex ring, where victims were allegedly paid to recruit other young girls to provide “massages” inside Epstein’s lair. The victims would be led to Epstein’s bedroom, and Epstein would enter and order them to remove their clothing, police said. The financier would then assault them—sometimes forcing them into intercourse with him or a young woman he described as his “sex slave”—and pay them $200 to $1,000 per visit, according to court documents.

Police say Epstein’s massages were booked with the help of his personal assistants, including Sarah Kellen, who kept a rolodex of underage girls.

But as The Daily Beast previously reported, the state attorney’s office in Palm Beach declined to pursue serious charges against Epstein (filing only a single felony count of soliciting prostitution), claiming the girls weren’t credible. The local police chief, Michael Reiter, accused prosecutors of giving Epstein special treatment and in 2006 referred the case to the FBI. By May 2007, the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Miami drafted a 53-page indictment against Epstein, alongside an 82-page prosecution memorandum. That summer, however, Epstein’s lawyers worked to unravel the case, claiming Epstein wasn’t guilty of any federal crimes.

Epstein and the feds drew up a non-prosecution agreement in September 2007. Without informing any of the victims, the two sides decided that Epstein would plead guilty to a pair of state charges (solicitation of prostitution and procurement of minors for prostitution) and waive his right to contest damages, if the victims decided to sue him over the abuse. He also agreed to pay for the girls’ attorney’s fees.

Indeed, the NPA stated that “the United States, in consultation with and subject to the good faith approval of Epstein’s counsel, shall select an attorney representative for [the victims], who shall be paid for by Epstein.”

The NPA also granted immunity to any “potential co-conspirator” of Epstein’s and ensured the deal would “not be made part of any public record.”

Epstein could have faced multiple federal charges, the NPA noted, including: sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud or coercion, 18 U.S.C. 1591; the use of a facility or means of interstate commerce to entice minors into prostitution, 18 U.S.C. 2422(b); and traveling for the purpose of engaging in illicit sexual conduct with minors, 18 U.S.C. 2423(b). The document states Epstein might have committed those crimes from around 2001 to September 2007

Other women claim that Epstein’s alleged abuse spanned many years and many locations, according to civil court filings.

“Epstein could have faced multiple federal charges, the NPA noted, including sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud or coercion.”
In an April 2019 affidavit, a woman named Maria Farmer said she met Epstein and Maxwell sometime in 1995, at one of Farmer’s art shows in New York. In 1996, Epstein offered her a job to help him acquire art. But according to Farmer, she instead ended up manning the door at Epstein’s Upper East Side mansion and keeping records of his visitors.

Some of those visitors, Farmer claimed, were underage girls in school uniforms who would be led to an upstairs bedroom for what Maxwell called interviews for “modeling” positions. Farmer witnessed Epstein’s lawyer and friend, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, head upstairs where the girls were present, the affidavit stated.

Dershowitz has denied Farmer’s accusations. “Maria Farmer stopped working for Epstein before I ever met Epstein,” Dershowitz told The Daily Beast. “It’s a totally perjured affidavit. It’s all totally made up. For her lawyers to submit these obviously perjured affidavits raises serious questions about their role in this case.”

In the summer of 1996, Epstein allegedly arranged for Farmer to work on a special art project at Leslie Wexner’s mansion in New Albany, Ohio. Farmer and her two younger brothers stayed at the property at the time.

Farmer claims Maxwell and Epstein sexually assaulted her at the Ohio property, and Wexner’s security team refused to let her leave. She said she tried calling the sheriff’s office but didn’t get a response. Her father had to drive from Kentucky to help her.

Once she returned to New York, Farmer visited the NYPD’s sixth precinct to report the Ohio assault, but officers there told her to contact the FBI. Farmer called the feds, but they didn’t appear to take any action, the affidavit states.



Trafficking Crimes
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Meanwhile, Farmer claims Epstein and Maxwell preyed on her 15-year-old sister, molesting her at Epstein’s ranch in New Mexico. Epstein also held her sibling’s hand at a New York movie theater, where he “was rubbing her in a sexual manner without my knowledge,” Farmer added.

“I was terrified of Maxwell and Epstein and I moved a number of times to try to hide from them,” Farmer stated of the powerful pair’s alleged threats against her and their alleged efforts to sabotage her reputation in the art world.

Another accuser, Virginia Roberts Giuffre, has long claimed that Epstein and Maxwell abused minor girls across the country and abroad, and that Epstein loaned his victims out to his famous friends, including Dershowitz and Prince Andrew.

Giuffre filed a declaration in 2015 as part of the Crime Victims’ Rights Act suit and detailed Epstein’s alleged sex ring. She said she met Epstein in 1999 after Maxwell approached her during her summer job at Mar-a-Lago. She was 15 years old.

Dershowitz and Prince Andrew vehemently denied Giuffre’s claims, and Buckingham Place quickly released a statement: “It is emphatically denied that HRH The Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with Virginia Roberts. The allegations made are false and without any foundation.”

“The story is totally made up,” Dershowitz told the BBC after Giuffre’s court filing made international headlines. He added, “My only feeling is if she’s lied about me, which I know to an absolute certainty she has, she should not be believed about anyone else.”

“It wasn’t just sexual training—they wanted me to be able to cater to all the needs of the men they were going to send me to.”


Maxwell allegedly offered Giuffre professional training in massages. But when Giuffre arrived at Epstein’s Palm Beach home, she was allegedly forced into sexual activity with the billionaire and would become trapped in his web.

She said that when she began “working” for Epstein, he flew her to New York on his private jet and molested her at his Manhattan mansion. “I was trained to be ‘everything a man wanted me to be,’” Giuffre said in the declaration. “It wasn’t just sexual training—they wanted me to be able to cater to all the needs of the men they were going to send me to.”

Maxwell and Epstein allegedly ordered Giuffre to pay attention to what the men wanted, so she could report back to them. Giuffre said she traveled with Epstein from 1999 through the summer of 2002, to his homes in New York, New Mexico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and Paris, France.

“I had sex with him often in these places and also with the various people he demanded that I have sex with,” Giuffre stated. “Epstein paid me for many of these sexual encounters. In fact, my only purpose for Epstein, Maxwell and their friends was to be used for sex.”


Giuffre added that “Epstein had sex with underage girls on a daily basis” and that his interest in minor girls was “obvious” to those in his orbit. His code word for this abuse was “massage,” and Maxwell would often have sex with the victims, too, Giuffre claimed.

Maxwell denied Giuffre’s claims as early as 2011, after Giuffre gave an interview to the Daily Mail, releasing a statement that claimed “the allegations made against me are abhorrent and entirely untrue and I ask that they stop.”

In 2015, Maxwell called Giuffre’s allegations “obvious lies,” and Giuffre filed a defamation suit against the socialite. The Miami Herald and other news outlets have asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit to unseal all pleadings in that case, which was settled in 2017. Paul Cassell, one of Giuffre’s lawyers, told the court that if the records are made public, they “will show that Epstein and Maxwell were trafficking girls to the benefit of his friends, including Mr. Dershowitz.”

Last week, the court ordered the release of sealed documents in the case.

Epstein allegedly forced Giuffre to have sex with Britain’s Prince Andrew at least three times, including during an orgy. (The court filing includes a photo of “Andy” putting his arm around Giuffre’s partially bare waist, while Maxwell smiles in the background.)

Giuffre said she was also forced to have sex with another Epstein confidant, Jean Luc Brunel, who runs the MC2 modeling agency.

Brunel supplied Epstein with girls as young as 12, luring aspiring models from poor countries or poor backgrounds to the United States, Giuffre alleged. “Jeffrey Epstein has told me that he has slept with over 1,000 of Brunel’s girls, and everything that I have seen confirms this claim,” Giuffre stated. (Brunel, in a previous statement, denied being involved “in the actions Mr. Jeffrey Epstein is being accused of” and said “I have exercised with the utmost ethical standard for almost 40 years.”)

Giuffre said she finally escaped Epstein’s abuse after he sent her to Thailand to learn Thai massage and to recruit another young girl for his alleged sex ring. Instead, Giuffre met her future husband and relocated to Australia.

Years later, in 2011, two FBI agents from Florida visited Giuffre to discuss Epstein. In another declaration, Giuffre said the investigators “seemed like they were being blocked from doing what they wanted to do—which I thought was to arrest Epstein and his powerful friends for all their illegal sexual crimes.”

In 2014, Giuffre tried to contact the FBI again for an update on the Epstein investigation. “I have never been able to figure out who was (and still is) stopping a prosecution,” Giuffre stated in the declaration.

“Because nothing is being done,” Giuffre added, “it makes me think that Epstein was right when he told me he had so many people in his pocket. Maybe those people are still helping him escape being prosecuted for what he did against me.
 
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Considering you have a 60+ page thread on Kiwifarms, and you suddenly inserted yourself as a person of interest in this subject, then I'd have to assume no, you don't want a quiet life. I think a quiet life would be boring for you.

Nope. I didn't make that thread. I would LOVE a quiet life and this is a current goal I am trying to attain.

I may even start smoking crack to erase the last 9 years of my life out of my memory and the shitty people I came across.
 
Epstein specifically, IDK. However, busting up sex crime rings victimizing children has really ramped up like as soon as Trump got into office. I wouldn't be surprised if busting them up got moved to near the top of the DOJ priority list, right below impeaching Trump.
And you base this on what evidence again?

You know what they say - If you owe the bank $1mm, it's your problem; if you owe the bank $100mm, it's the bank's problem.
Anyway, I don't believe that his net worth is $1bn, but I'd be willing to bet all my money that it's over $100mm.
So you willingly admit he's lying about his net worth by at least one order of magnitude, but your still fine with it.

$100 million would be a lot for most people, but it wouldn't be close to enough to get out of $900 million in debt, as detailed here back in '92. Given how little Donald Trump spent of his own money on the campaign, and how everything he was in aside from The Apprentice and Wrestlemania 23 was a money loser, I doubt things actually got much better for him after the early '90s.

Dude how many people do you remember who you rubbed shoulders with once at a big party or whatever?
The photo of 'em together sure doesn't look like "rubbing shoulders". If I didn't already know what Ivana looked like, I'd assume the woman closest to the left was Mrs. Trump, because Donnie loos way more interested in her, and Ivana looks utterly disgusted with the man who's supposed to be her husband.

It's definitely making an entirely different eyebrow raise at the way Hillary unexpectedly tuck-and-rolled out of that cybersecurity meeting she was supposed to attend due to "unforeseen circumstances" barely two days ago. I don't like conspiracy mongering so I'm hesitant to draw immediate conclusions just because they're convenient, but that's some curiously odd timing in this circumstance. It's definitely made me start rummaging around for connections that I otherwise wouldn't have been looking for, before.
Hillary's no mystery. She's been covering her husband's sex scandals for decades because he's returned the favor by covering her lesbianism. She's not the most obvious closeted woman in US politics (that'd be Elena Kagan, but she's never pretended to be married), but she's still pretty apparent to anyone who knows anything about how closet cases behave.

She should've come out a long time ago. She'd probably be POTUS by now if she did. I think the only reason Trump didn't bring it up was to keep Hillary from bringing up his suspect-as-hell "friendship" with Roy Cohn.

For the record, I don't think Donnie's gay. But some guys, especislly ones with no sexual continence, are fine getting service from gay men, even if they're not in a sexually-segregated environment.

Joe McCarthy WAS gay, though. Christije Seynour, one of Cohn's underlings was gonna write about it in an exposé. But she died before she could finish it, and her collaborator, Jeffrey Schmidt, was certain she was murdered by one of Cohn's less than sav, so he destroyed everything they worked on.

Well here you go then, you insufferable faggot.

Notable arrests before and after Trump took office. That's an itemized list with citations. You'll notice far fewer in the "2016" tab.

Eat a bag of dicks, would you kindly?
Jesus Christ. @ArrestAnon is not even kind of a real source. You might as well cite Nicolas Maduro's statistics on healthcare in Venezuela, or the Ayatollah's statistics on the rates of homosexuality in Iran.

On a related thread, though, according to depositions from the previous Epstein case, the only reason that Trump was taking Epstein's plane was to hitch a ride from Mar-a-Lago back to New York City, and he only rode the plane a single time, and even then the plane was a smaller, personal plane that just had Trump, Epstein, his brother, and the pilots on board. It wasn't the "Lolita Express." That's the plane that Bill Clinton rode 26 times in 3 years.

Donald Trump was close friends with Epstein for over twenty years. This is not news. The right-wing media even reported on it extensively, quite a bit more than the left-wing media from what I've seen, about their long friendship and regular get-togethers at each others homes.

The right wing media mostly stopped bringing it up because even though Trump is hated by most of the country, and has been his entire Presidency, he's always remained solidly popular on most of the right no matter how bad things get.

It won't last. Trump can't even read off a teleprompter anymore, and he'll only get worse as time passes. But it's not like the MSM has a good trackrecord in predicting trends.

There's something dismally comedic about every media outlet on the planet frantically trying to spin this story against Trump whilst simultaneously trying to completely ignore some painfully-inconvenient truths about so many of their Golden Cows. They can try to spin this as hard as they like, but it doesn't make a lick of sense. If every single one of these powerful people ran toe-to-toe with Epstein and dragged Trump along onto Kiddy-Fuck Island, why wouldn't they have used any of that blackmail against him?
Trump has been blackmailed repeatedly. He didn't once bring up the Epstein links to the Clintons because he himself was a close friend of "Terrific Guy" Jeffrey Epstein for over twenty years. He brought up Juanita Broaddrick's rape because it had nothing to do with Epstein.

I'd like at least some appreciation for my condemnation of the entire inner circle, though. That's more than I've seen from you partisan Trump cocksuckers.

If they had something like that hanging over his head, he would have been wrenched back on the leash a long, long time ago. There's nothing there, and anyone holding out hope that "Surely this will be the end for Drumpf" is just being delusional. I swear it's like people refuse to use their brains to think about stuff like that for even half a second, it drives me nuts.
There was some element of mutually-assured destruction in Hillary and Trump's little contest. It was a fine line, but notice how, no matter how vicious their fights got, neither brought up Epstein, Cohn, or the fact that Hillary's been rumored to be a lesbian for the last fifty years.

The line got thinner as the election grew uglier. I'm still stunned Hillary didn't bring up the CP5 Case (admittefly simplified by the MSM, though still ugly for Trump) after Trump brought up the "superpredators" line (see the previous paranthetical). But ultimately the line held throughout the campaign.

I can't predict what'll happen next, but we'd live in a better country if more people stopped this stupid partisan bickering about which guys who were in thd inner circle of the most notorious American sexual predator alive were totally innocent because of which pzrty they ran for. You Trump cocksuckers may be cocksuckers now, but it's never to late to spit rather than swallow.

Probably because as scummy as Trump is, he likes tall blondes. He runs beauty pageants to get his fix.
Donald Trump likes holes. He's an insecure manchild who'll fuck almost anything.

People who don't like to fuck underage girls don't spend twenty-plus years having dinner parties with one of the planet's most notorious sexual predators, and call them "terrific guys" in the same interview they mention about how said rapist likes 'em young before said rapist faces any legal troubles.
 
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And you base this on what evidence again?


So you willingly admit he's lying about his net worth by at least one order of magnitude, but your still fine with it.

$100 million would be a lot for most people, but it wouldn't be close to enough to get out of $900 million in debt, as detailed here back in '92. Given how little Donald Trump spent of his own money on the campaign, and how everything he was in aside from The Apprentice and Wrestlemania 23 was a money loser, I doubt things actually got much better for him after the early '90s.


The photo of 'em together sure doesn't look like "rubbing shoulders". If I didn't already know what Ivana looked like, I'd assume the woman closest to the left was Mrs. Trump, because Donnie loos way more interested in her, and Ivana looks utterly disgusted with the man who's supposed to be her husband.


Hillary's no mystery. She's been covering her husband's sex scandals for decades because he's returned the favor by covering her lesbianism. She's not the most obvious closeted woman in US politics (that'd be Elena Kagan, but she's never pretended to be married), but she's still pretty apparent to anyone who knows anything about how closet cases behave.

She should've come out a long time ago. She'd probably be POTUS by now if she did. I think the only reason Trump didn't bring it up was to keep Hillary from bringing up his suspect-as-hell "friendship" with Roy Cohn.

For the record, I don't think Donnie's gay. But some guys, especislly ones with no sexual continence, are fine getting service from gay men, even if they're not in a sexually-segregated environment.

Joe McCarthy WAS gay, though. Christije Seynour, one of Cohn's underlings was gonna write about it in an exposé. But she died before she could finish it, and her collaborator, Jeffrey Schmidt, was certain she was murdered by one of Cohn's less than sav, so he destroyed everything they worked on.


Jesus Christ. @ArrestAnon is not even kind of a real source. You might as well cite Nicolas Maduro's statistics on healthcare in Venezuela, or the Ayatollah's statistics on the rates of homosexuality in Iran.



Donald Trump was close friends with Epstein for over twenty years. This is not news. The right-wing media even reported on it extensively, quite a bit more than the left-wing media from what I've seen, about their long friendship and regular get-togethers at each others homes.

The right wing media mostly stopped bringing it up because even though Trump is hated by most of the country, and has been his entire Presidency, he's always remained solidly popular on most of the right no matter how bad things get.

It won't last. Trump can't even read off a teleprompter anymore, and he'll only get worse as time passes. But it's not like the MSM has a good trackrecord in predicting trends.

Trump has been blackmailed repeatedly. He didn't once bring up the Epstein links to the Clintons because he himself was a close friend of "Terrific Guy" Jeffrey Epstein for over twenty years. He brought up Juanita Broaddrick's rape because it had nothing to do with Epstein.

I'd like at least some appreciation for my condemnation of the entire inner circle, though. That's more than I've seen from you partisan Trump cocksuckers.

There was some element of mutually-assured destruction in Hillary and Trump's little contest. It was a fine line, but notice how, no matter how vicious their fights got, neither brought up Epstein, Cohn, or the fact that Hillary's been rumored to be a lesbian for the last fifty years.

The line got thinner as the election grew uglier. I'm still stunned Hillary didn't bring up the CP5 Case (admittefly simplified by the MSM, though still ugly for Trump) after Trump brought up the "superpredators" line (see the previous paranthetical). But ultimately the line held throughout the campaign.

I can't predict what'll happen next, but we'd live in a better country if more people stopped this stupid partisan bickering about which guys who were in thd inner circle of the most notorious American sexual predator alive were totally innocent because of which pzrty they ran for. You Trump cocksuckers may be cocksuckers now, but it's never to late to spit rather than swallow.

Donald Trump likes holes. He's an insecure manchild who'll fuck almost anything.

People who don't like to fuck underage girls don't spend twenty-plus years having dinner parties with one of the planet's most notorious sexual predators, and call them "terrific guys" in the same interview they mention about how said rapist likes 'em young before said rapist faces any legal troubles.
Honestly why should any of us listen to a damned thing that you have to say if you're just going to blatantly ignore anything that we've provided as a counter-argument and then descend into name-calling? Nothing you provided a link to even said anything that hasn't already been discussed and one of them even talked about how Stephen Hawking was a guest at Epstein's island at one point. I am reasonably goddamned certain that Hawking wasn't exactly capable of raping people, so it's pretty obvious that not everyone who went there went there with the express intent of raping kids.

Trump is the most-vetted person on the face of the planet right now, if there was even a speck of dirt that could have been dug up, it's already been dug up. Epstein is at the point now where he has absolutely fuck-all to lose and there's no reason whatsoever that he wouldn't sell out anyone to try and cut another deal. If he has hard, irrefutable evidence proving that Donald J. Trump is a verifiable pedophile, that would be hands-down the most valuable information on the face of this fucking planet, and he's not just going to sit on that and quietly huddle up in a prison cell because he and Mr. Funny Hair were buddy-buddy at a few cocktail parties.

For the sheer Hell of it, would you like a piece of information that you're probably going to slap down and not even bother reading? How about the fact that the Trump-Epstein connection was being pushed as hard as it was because Glenn Simpson had "dug it up" as part of the 'fact-finding expedition' that came to be condensed into the Steele Dossier.

Donald Trump was a celebrity and the media loves a scandal. The more names they can tack onto a scandalous story, the more people they're going to rope into reading it. I mean for God's sake just go look for news articles between like, 1990-2010 about Trump and Epstein and you'll literally find absolutely fuck all other than that one quote about how Trump said, "Epstein's a great guy." and then countless articles that keep calling Epstein Trump's "long-time friend." There's absolutely nothing else, it's just the same quote and the same phrase over and over again, because that's clickbait media.

That one quote from Trump means nothing. He's said plenty of things about plenty of people, he's praised Hillary Clinton in the past for fuck's sake, I have no idea why everyone's so hung up on this one damned sentence as if it's some all-damning piece of irrefutable evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he went to Babyfuck Isle. Again: You have a brain, for the love of God please use it.

You wanna' know how I really, really know that this story isn't actually going to wind up damaging for Trump and is going to wind up hurting the Democrats much, much harder? It's barely even a snippet on the front page of CNN.
 
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Honestly why should any of us listen to a damned thing that you have to say if you're just going to blatantly ignore anything that we've provided as a counter-argument and then descend into name-calling? Nothing you provided a link to even said anything that hasn't already been discussed and one of them even talked about how Stephen Hawking was a guest at Epstein's island at one point. I am reasonably goddamned certain that Hawking wasn't exactly capable of raping people, so it's pretty obvious that not everyone who went there went there with the express intent of raping kids.

Trump is the most-vetted person on the face of the planet right now, if there was even a speck of dirt that could have been dug up, it's already been dug up. Epstein is at the point now where he has absolutely fuck-all to lose and there's no reason whatsoever that he wouldn't sell out anyone to try and cut another deal. If he has hard, irrefutable evidence proving that Donald J. Trump is a verifiable pedophile, that would be hands-down the most valuable information on the face of this fucking planet, and he's not just going to sit on that and quietly huddle up in a prison cell because he and Mr. Funny Hair were buddy-buddy at a few cocktail parties.

For the sheer Hell of it, would you like a piece of information that you're probably going to slap down and not even bother reading? How about the fact that the Trump-Epstein connection was being pushed as hard as it was because Glenn Simpson had "dug it up" as part of the 'fact-finding expedition' that came to be condensed into the Steele Dossier.

Donald Trump was a celebrity and the media loves a scandal. The more names they can tack onto a scandalous story, the more people they're going to rope into reading it. I mean for God's sake just go look for news articles between like, 1990-2010 about Trump and Epstein and you'll literally find absolutely fuck all other than that one quote about how Trump said, "Epstein's a great guy." and then countless articles that keep calling Epstein Trump's "long-time friend." There's absolutely nothing else, it's just the same quote and the same phrase over and over again, because that's clickbait media.

That one quote from Trump means nothing. He's said plenty of things about plenty of people, he's praised Hillary Clinton in the past for fuck's sake, I have no idea why everyone's so hung up on this one damned sentence as if it's some all-damning piece of irrefutable evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he went to Babyfuck Isle. Again: You have a brain, for the love of God please use it.

You wanna' know how I really, really know that this story isn't actually going to wind up damaging for Trump and is going to wind up hurting the Democrats much, much harder? It's barely even a snippet on the front page of CNN.


I've been reading celeb gossip for probably a decade now, and I've never heard anything about Trump. Everything about his feud with Rosie, and how he liked the Women was already out there. Until he ran for President. Then a bunch of women came out and said he raped them 5-20 years ago and decided to sit on it until he was about to become the most powerful man in the world. And then coveniently scampered off when people wanted to ask serious questions or ask about why they didn't press charges.

We have Epstein facing charges right now for underage sex trafficking, that he got a plea deal on years ago, we have recordings of Weinstein, we had Spacey dropped from House of Cards, because the production company knew it wasn't bullshit, people in the industry have heard stories for years of his "approaches". People know Clinton rode on the "Lolita Express" over 20 times. But Trump is the most notorious sexual predator in the world? You have to be brainwashed to believe that.

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And you base this on what evidence again?


So you willingly admit he's lying about his net worth by at least one order of magnitude, but your still fine with it.

$100 million would be a lot for most people, but it wouldn't be close to enough to get out of $900 million in debt, as detailed here back in '92. Given how little Donald Trump spent of his own money on the campaign, and how everything he was in aside from The Apprentice and Wrestlemania 23 was a money loser, I doubt things actually got much better for him after the early '90s.


The photo of 'em together sure doesn't look like "rubbing shoulders". If I didn't already know what Ivana looked like, I'd assume the woman closest to the left was Mrs. Trump, because Donnie loos way more interested in her, and Ivana looks utterly disgusted with the man who's supposed to be her husband.


Hillary's no mystery. She's been covering her husband's sex scandals for decades because he's returned the favor by covering her lesbianism. She's not the most obvious closeted woman in US politics (that'd be Elena Kagan, but she's never pretended to be married), but she's still pretty apparent to anyone who knows anything about how closet cases behave.

She should've come out a long time ago. She'd probably be POTUS by now if she did. I think the only reason Trump didn't bring it up was to keep Hillary from bringing up his suspect-as-hell "friendship" with Roy Cohn.

For the record, I don't think Donnie's gay. But some guys, especislly ones with no sexual continence, are fine getting service from gay men, even if they're not in a sexually-segregated environment.

Joe McCarthy WAS gay, though. Christije Seynour, one of Cohn's underlings was gonna write about it in an exposé. But she died before she could finish it, and her collaborator, Jeffrey Schmidt, was certain she was murdered by one of Cohn's less than sav, so he destroyed everything they worked on.


Jesus Christ. @ArrestAnon is not even kind of a real source. You might as well cite Nicolas Maduro's statistics on healthcare in Venezuela, or the Ayatollah's statistics on the rates of homosexuality in Iran.



Donald Trump was close friends with Epstein for over twenty years. This is not news. The right-wing media even reported on it extensively, quite a bit more than the left-wing media from what I've seen, about their long friendship and regular get-togethers at each others homes.

The right wing media mostly stopped bringing it up because even though Trump is hated by most of the country, and has been his entire Presidency, he's always remained solidly popular on most of the right no matter how bad things get.

It won't last. Trump can't even read off a teleprompter anymore, and he'll only get worse as time passes. But it's not like the MSM has a good trackrecord in predicting trends.


Trump has been blackmailed repeatedly. He didn't once bring up the Epstein links to the Clintons because he himself was a close friend of "Terrific Guy" Jeffrey Epstein for over twenty years. He brought up Juanita Broaddrick's rape because it had nothing to do with Epstein.

I'd like at least some appreciation for my condemnation of the entire inner circle, though. That's more than I've seen from you partisan Trump cocksuckers.


There was some element of mutually-assured destruction in Hillary and Trump's little contest. It was a fine line, but notice how, no matter how vicious their fights got, neither brought up Epstein, Cohn, or the fact that Hillary's been rumored to be a lesbian for the last fifty years.

The line got thinner as the election grew uglier. I'm still stunned Hillary didn't bring up the CP5 Case (admittefly simplified by the MSM, though still ugly for Trump) after Trump brought up the "superpredators" line (see the previous paranthetical). But ultimately the line held throughout the campaign.

I can't predict what'll happen next, but we'd live in a better country if more people stopped this stupid partisan bickering about which guys who were in thd inner circle of the most notorious American sexual predator alive were totally innocent because of which pzrty they ran for. You Trump cocksuckers may be cocksuckers now, but it's never to late to spit rather than swallow.


Donald Trump likes holes. He's an insecure manchild who'll fuck almost anything.

People who don't like to fuck underage girls don't spend twenty-plus years having dinner parties with one of the planet's most notorious sexual predators, and call them "terrific guys" in the same interview they mention about how said rapist likes 'em young before said rapist faces any legal troubles.
lmao you didn't even respond to my post, what, is it too off topic for you? The mods dont seem to agree.
 
Interesting all this is being sealed. I wonder how this would all go down if the accused was say, Mel Gibson?


I'm not accusing Mel of hating Jews in a drunking rant. I'm accusing him of being Australian sober.

I'm kidding. He was drunk, ya'll, people say stupid offensive crap when their drunk. And like he's the only drunk that ever ranted at Jews, puhlease.
 
I've been reading celeb gossip for probably a decade now, and I've never heard anything about Trump. Everything about his feud with Rosie, and how he liked the Women was already out there. Until he ran for President. Then a bunch of women came out and said he raped them 5-20 years ago and decided to sit on it until he was about to become the most powerful man in the world. And then coveniently scampered off when people wanted to ask serious questions or ask about why they didn't press charges.

We have Epstein facing charges right now for underage sex trafficking, that he got a plea deal on years ago, we have recordings of Weinstein, we had Spacey dropped from House of Cards, because the production company knew it wasn't bullshit, people in the industry have heard stories for years of his "approaches". People know Clinton rode on the "Lolita Express" over 20 times. But Trump is the most notorious sexual predator in the world? You have to be brainwashed to believe that.

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Surely Bill is gonna get slapped too?
trump too. they all buddies with this guy
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it–Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”


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“Jeffrey wanted me to tell you that you looked so pretty,” the female voice said into my disbelieving ear.
It was the fall of 2002. I was pregnant, uncomfortably so, for the first time and with twins, due the following March. I was besieged by a relentless morning sickness. I was sick in street gutters, onto my desk, at dinners with friends. I suffered severe bloating and water retention.
But here was this faux-compliment coming, bizarrely and a bit grotesquely, from a woman I hadn’t met—a female assistant who worked for one Jeffrey Epstein, a mysterious Gatsby-esque financier whom I’d been assigned to write about by my then-boss Graydon Carter, the editor of Vanity Fair. (Epstein had caught the attention of the press when he had flown Bill Clinton on his jet to Africa. No one knew who he was or understood how he’d made his money.)
Upon hearing of my assignment, Epstein had invited me to an off-the-record tea at his Upper East Side house (during which I distinctly remember he rudely ate all the finger food himself) and then had his assistant call to tell me he’d thought I was pretty.
At first—it was the early stages of reporting—I was amused at having been so crassly underestimated. For a man who clearly considered himself a sophisticated ladies’ man (the only book he’d left out for me to see was a paperback by the Marquis de Sade), I thought his journalist-seduction technique was a bit like his table manners—in dire need of improvement.
If only it had all ended there. This was what it had been meant to be. A gossipy piece about a shadowy, slightly sinister but essentially harmless man who preferred track-pants to suits but somehow lived very large, had wealthy, important friends, hung out with models, and shied away from the press.
But it didn’t.
I haven’t ever wanted to go back and dwell on that dark time. But then the latest Epstein scandal broke, when Prince Andrew was accused in a Florida court filing of having sex with a 17-year-old girl while she was a “sex slave” of Epstein’s.
In the last 48 hours I’ve had a journalist from the U.K. Sun newspaper put herself inside my foyer. I’ve been inundated with requests for TV interviews. And Epstein’s old mentor, the convicted fraudster Steven Hoffenberg, recently released from jail after a 20-year sentence, has been pestering me and my agent to write a movie.
Separately, Hoffenberg’s daughter has gotten in touch—and it’s gotten me thinking. There are some injustices that maybe only time can right. And perhaps now is the time. Things happened then that simply shouldn’t have, and if I don’t talk about them, then probably no one will.
***
It became obvious as I was reporting his story that you could essentially divide Jeffrey Epstein’s biography into two themes. One was the hidden source of his wealth—he claimed he’d fueled a lifestyle of vast homes, a private jet, and endless travel by managing the money of billionaires and taking a commission, a story that no one I spoke to believed—while the second mystery was his unorthodox lifestyle.
Then in his 50s, he’d never been married but had had a string of intelligent, good-looking girlfriends, including Ghislaine Maxwell, the raven-haired daughter of the late, disgraced British newspaperman Robert Maxwell whom he promoted from girlfriend to “friend” when it was over. She remained frequently by his side.
But the New York gossip was focused on the many parties he gave at his house, where he regularly hosted a mix of plutocrats, academics from Ivy League schools, and nubile, very young women. Oh, and also Britain’s Prince Andrew, whom he introduced to everyone as just “Andy.”
I got to work on all of it—and Epstein kept close tabs on me. He didn’t want to be seen to cooperate, but he’d do his best to control me. He phoned regularly. I wasn’t altogether surprised to be quickly summoned to the offices of the rich and powerful, sometimes before I’d even asked to meet with them.
James “Jimmy” Cayne, then the cigar-chomping CEO of Bear Stearns, not only phoned me up, he found the time in his busy day to give me a tour of the office. He was on his best behavior, talking up Epstein’s alleged supposed great brain, his value to the bank—never mind the fact that Epstein had had to leave it quickly in 1981; this Cayne put down to Epstein’s ambition “outgrowing” the place.
I also met with respected real estate developer Marshall Rose; the former Bear Stearns chairman Alan “Ace” Greenberg called me; so too did Leslie Wexner, the founder and CEO of The Limited, who trusted Epstein so much he had given Epstein carte blanche to insert himself into both Wexner’s family and business affairs, according to people who saw Epstein’s contract; they all chattered on about Epstein’s brilliantly creative mind, his intellectual prowess—a mental agility that, to put it bluntly, was simply not evident in the many phone conversations he had with me.
These were conversations that took a fairly grim twist pretty quickly. “What is the nature of the piece?” he kept asking. “Does it have thisaspect in it?” “This aspect” would refer variously to his philanthropy, his interest in biological mathematics, his well-known friends, some tycoons, some academic wonks—and yes, the women. “I don’t expect there’d be a piece on me without that,” he’d said, preening.
The women he directed me to were all respectable. There was a doctor, there was a socialite, there was Ghislaine Maxwell; they were all grown-ups, with the appearance of financial independence.
While Epstein’s friends speculated that retailer Les Wexner was the real source of Epstein’s wealth, Wexner (who called him “my friend Jeffrey”) never commented on this, though he did send me an email praising Epstein’s “ability to see patterns in politics and financial markets.”
My investigation began to take on unexpected twists. After a bit of digging I found myself not in some plush office setting but going through the metal detectors inside the Federal Medical Center at Devens prison in Massachusetts, where I met with one Steve Hoffenberg, a fraudster who’d been convicted of bilking investors of more than $450 million in one of the largest pre-Madoff Ponzi schemes in history. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
Hoffenberg told me that he’d met Epstein shortly after Epstein had been kicked out of Bear Stearns in 1981 for “getting into trouble” and that Hoffenberg had seen charm and talent in him —“he has a way of getting under your skin”—and had hired him as a “consultant” to work with.
Hoffenberg, officially, ran Towers Financial, a collection agency that was supposed to buy debts that people owed to hospitals, banks, and phone companies, but instead the funds paid off earlier investors and subsidized his own lavish lifestyle. Hoffenberg told me had he had been Epstein’s mentor and that Epstein had made a terrible mistake in doing something so high-profile as flying Bill Clinton, since that would only draw a spotlight to his business dealings. “I always told him to stay below the radar,” he said.
Aware that I was listening to a convicted felon who had lied under oath—he was, after all, sitting before me in an orange jumpsuit—I left the jail determined to get more concrete proof about the source of Epstein’s finances. Slowly, I got there.
It took many meetings of the type you see in the movies. There I was, with my growing belly, in the backs of people’s chauffeured-driven cars, in out-of-the way hotel bars—and finally, in my sixth month, when my doctor had begun to look dismayed and told me to take it easy, a train ride to a law firm in Philadelphia, where I and a research assistant were shown a room full of boxes with legal files, and the man who brought us there whispered, “Good luck!”

Luck did shine upon me that day. I opened the first box, and there was Epstein’s deposition in a civil case explaining in his own testimony that he had indeed been guilty of a “reg d violation” while at Bear Stearns and that he’d been asked to leave the investment firm; it was the nail in the coffin I needed.
I had discovered many other concrete, irrefutable examples of strange business practices by Epstein, and while I still couldn’t tell you exactly what he did do to subsidize his lifestyle, my piece would certainly show that he was definitely not what he claimed to be.
I had to put all my findings to Epstein and, bizarrely, he seemed almost unconcerned about the financial irregularities I’d exposed. He admitted to working with and for Hoffenberg but quibbled with some of the specifics of Hoffenberg’s allegations, reminding me that Hoffenberg was a convicted felon. Third parties in turn quibbled with his accounts, and he was irritated, but not overly so.
I was a little mystified at how benignly he responded to my questions about his business activities. Now, when I look at my meticulous notes, I notice that his tempo quickened—and he was much more focused—when he himself asked: “What do you have on the girls?” He would ask the question over and over again.
What I had “on the girls” were some remarkably brave first-person accounts. Three on-the-record stories from a family: a mother and her daughters who came from Phoenix. The oldest daughter, an artist whose character was vouchsafed to me by several sources, including the artist Eric Fischl, had told me, weeping as she sat in my living room, of how Epstein had attempted to seduce both her and, separately, her younger sister, then only 16.
He’d gotten to them because of his money. He’d promised the older sister patronage of her art work; he’d promised the younger funding for a trip abroad that would give her the work experience she needed on her résumé for a place at an Ivy League university, which she desperately wanted—and would win.
The girls’ mother told me by phone that she had thought her daughters would be safe under Epstein’s roof, not least because he phoned her to reassure her, and she also knew he had Ghislaine Maxwell with him at all times.
When the girls’ mother learned that Epstein had, regardless, allegedly molested her 16-year-old daughter, she’d wanted to fight back. “At the time I wanted to go after him. I mean, physically, mentally, you know, in every way, shape, and form. And the advice I was given was, you know, he is so wealthy, he can fight you, he can make you look ridiculous, he can make your daughters look ridiculous, plus he can hurt them. And that was the thing that frightened me was that he would know where they lived and could possibly just send somebody when they walk the dog at night or something around the corner, and we’d never hear from them again,” she told me.
When I put their allegations to Epstein, he denied them and went into overdrive. He called Graydon. He also repeatedly phoned me. He said, “Just the mention of a 16-year-old girl… carries the wrong impression. I don’t see what it adds to the piece. And that makes me unhappy.”
Next, Epstein attacked both me and my sources. Letters purporting to be from the women were sent to Graydon, which the women claimed (and gave evidence to show me) were fabricated fakes. I had my own notes to disprove Epstein’s claims against me.
And then there was Epstein himself, who, I’d be told after I’d given birth, got past security at Condé Nast and went into the Vanity Fairoffices. By now everyone at the magazine was completely spooked.
But my sources, my young women and their mother, heroically held firm. They were going to tell their story, consequences be damned. And as for me? My doctor insisted that once I filed this piece I lie down on my bed and not get out. One of my babies had started to grow alarmingly slowly.
***
I worked through December 2002 like a dog. I worked with three fact-checkers, the magazine’s lawyer; I sifted through everything Epstein threw at me and defused it. We were getting ready to go to press. And then the bullet came. “Graydon’s taking out the women from the piece,” Doug Stumpf, my editor, told me.
I began to cry. It was so wrong. The family had been so brave. I thought about the mother, her fear of the dark, of the harm she feared might come to her daughters. And then I thought of all the rich, powerful men in suits ready to talk about Epstein’s “great mind.”
“Why?” I asked Graydon. “He’s sensitive about the young women” was his answer. “And we still get to run most of the piece.”
Many years later I know that Graydon made the call that seemed right to him then—and though the episode still deeply rankles me I don’t blame him. He sits in different shoes from me; editors are faced with these sorts of decisions all the time, and disaster can strike if they don’t err on the side of caution.
It came down to my sources’ word against Epstein’s… and at the time Graydon believed Epstein. In my notebook I have him saying, “I believe him… I’m Canadian.”
Today, my editor at The Daily Beast emailed Graydon to ask why he had excised the women’s stories from my article. A Vanity Fairspokeswoman responded: “Epstein denied the charges at the time and since the claims were unsubstantiated and no criminal investigation had been initiated, we decided not to include them in what was a financial story.”
But this wasn’t a financial story, it was a classic Vanity Fair profile of a society figure. I don’t know—because I never asked him—if Graydon still believed Epstein when in 2007 Epstein was sentenced to jail time for soliciting underage prostitutes. But it has often struck me that if my piece had named the women, the FBI might have come after Epstein sooner and perhaps some of his victims, now, in the latest spate of allegations, allegedly either paid off or too fearful of retribution to speak up, would have been saved.
He has a way of spooking you, does Epstein. Or he did. My babies were born prematurely, dangerously so; he’d asked which hospital I was giving birth at—and I was so afraid that somehow, with all his connections to the academic and medical community, that he was coming for my little ones that I put security on them in the NICU.
When they’d been released home some months later, I went out to my first party. There was Jeffrey Epstein, sucking a lollipop. “Vicky,” he said, “you look so pretty.”
 
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I know the obvious answer to this, but can someone give me their opinion on how come so many rumors swirled around this monster and his friends for SO LONG and not one "journalist" either put their life on the line, career on the line or tried to make a career out of finding out if the rumors were true? It looks like all you had to do was be an influencer and well you might get a trip to happy liberal alternative lifestyle island.
Not one journalist thought to put the lives of the kids above their own. Not one.
And people wonder why I have a hate boner for people who are or want to be journalists.
 
Honestly why should any of us listen to a damned thing that you have to say if you're just going to blatantly ignore anything that we've provided as a counter-argument and then descend into name-calling? Nothing you provided a link to even said anything that hasn't already been discussed and one of them even talked about how Stephen Hawking was a guest at Epstein's island at one point. I am reasonably goddamned certain that Hawking wasn't exactly capable of raping people, so it's pretty obvious that not everyone who went there went there with the express intent of raping kids.
Not everyone. But those who spent the most time with him definitely were. That includes Dersh, Clinton and the Duke of York. It also includes Trump, who was Epstein's neighbor in Palm Beach, and Trump's modeling agency (which was a thinly-veiled human-trafficking operation) was the inspiration behind Epstein's modeling agency.

Trump is the most-vetted person on the face of the planet right now, if there was even a speck of dirt that could have been dug up, it's already been dug up. Epstein is at the point now where he has absolutely fuck-all to lose and there's no reason whatsoever that he wouldn't sell out anyone to try and cut another deal. If he has hard, irrefutable evidence proving that Donald J. Trump is a verifiable pedophile, that would be hands-down the most valuable information on the face of this fucking planet, and he's not just going to sit on that and quietly huddle up in a prison cell because he and Mr. Funny Hair were buddy-buddy at a few cocktail parties.
Epstein has dirt on a lot more people than just Donald Trump, but that includes people who can very successfuly try to have him killed. Namely his old girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father was a notorious mogul, spy, and swindler. Ghislaine's a lot like Paris Hilton, only with more money, more sexual depravity, and deeper ties to hostile intelligence agencies and organized crime.

The worst stories about Trump have been out there for longer than most people on this forum have been alive. Lost Tycoon was published in the early '90s, and his reputation before then was less than stellar. It's the biggest reason why he was able to catch the NY media bubble by surprise. Nobody took him seriously because he'd been such a joke for so long, and everybody there already knew The Apprentice had absolutely nothing to do with business.

For the sheer Hell of it, would you like a piece of information that you're probably going to slap down and not even bother reading? How about the fact that the Trump-Epstein connection was being pushed as hard as it was because Glenn Simpson had "dug it up" as part of the 'fact-finding expedition' that came to be condensed into the Steele Dossier.
It wasn't part of a fact-finding expedition. Trump said it himself to Landon Thomas Jr. back in '02 of his own free will to a magazine with hundreds of thousands of subscribers. Reading an article from a relatively popular magazine that's available online for free, even if it's from '02, can't even be called a trip to the library. Let alone an expedition.

Donald Trump was a celebrity and the media loves a scandal. The more names they can tack onto a scandalous story, the more people they're going to rope into reading it. I mean for God's sake just go look for news articles between like, 1990-2010 about Trump and Epstein and you'll literally find absolutely fuck all other than that one quote about how Trump said, "Epstein's a great guy." and then countless articles that keep calling Epstein Trump's "long-time friend." There's absolutely nothing else, it's just the same quote and the same phrase over and over again, because that's clickbait media.
Trump and Epstein were neighbors in Palm Beach. And guys like Epstein generally like to stay put of the news as much as they can on account of being criminals. Plus there's the fact that two of Epstein's co-conspirators, Dersh and Acosta, are respectively a shameless Trump shill and a secretary in Trump's cabinet. And the fact that there were three sworn declarations in court against Trump by Katie Johnson, one of her confidants, and one of Epstein's recruiters.

The case was never dismissed. Rather, Katie withdrew because she was most likely afraid of being killed, just like Manafort and Epstein are now.

That one quote from Trump means nothing. He's said plenty of things about plenty of people, he's praised Hillary Clinton in the past for fuck's sake, I have no idea why everyone's so hung up on this one damned sentence as if it's some all-damning piece of irrefutable evidence that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he went to Babyfuck Isle. Again: You have a brain, for the love of God please use it.
Hillary Clinton wasn't Donald Trump's neighbor. And Trump explicitly praised Epstein for his love of younger girls years before Epstein was arrested for rape and human trafficking.

You wanna' know how I really, really know that this story isn't actually going to wind up damaging for Trump? It's barely even a snippet on the front page of CNN.
Nobody in the MSM wants to run a story that sinks two POTUSes from both major parties, the most famous lawyer in the country, Woody Allen, and the Duke of York. It'll make the fallout from the Cosby story look tame.

CNN is not the be-all, end-all of news. They, along with the rest of the televised MSM, deliberately missed out on every major Trump scandal 'til he clinced the GOP nom because they didn't want to sink the ratings they were getting from his campaign. These scandals require long-form reporting and journalism, an attentive audience, the infuriation of a lot of important people, and the sinking of profitable ratings magnets. Which is why you don't see 'em covered like they should be.
 
I know the obvious answer to this, but can someone give me their opinion on how come so many rumors swirled around this monster and his friends for SO LONG and not one "journalist" either put their life on the line, career on the line or tried to make a career out of finding out if the rumors were true?

How do you know no journalists has tried?

Look at something like the Dutroux case in Belgium. A man in court, for the kidnapping, rape and murder of several girls. He claimed in court that he did his work with the help of a larger network including cops. The supposed brains of the operation, Nihoul, claimed that he did not fear also being followed up legally, because the case would bring the Belgium government down:

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His political connections were confirmed about 7 years later in 2009 by wikileaks documents. Oh yeah, what happened to wikileaks' leader?

As for Nihoul, in the end he did get 5 years in prison.

If you are curious about the dynamics of this, just research the Dutroux case. It has everything. Clear evidence of coverups, cops that investigate and suddenly stop wanting to investigate. A lot of things like that.
 
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