The former-Funi was the one Monica brought up in that email with the "Oh, I remembered this other person had an incident but they don't want their name out there" schtick.
I have waited months, fucking months to finally see what would be asked in the deposition,
Just waiting to see if vic has done anything illegal that they could use against him, but this is the shit they are asking about. vic interacting with fans
Monica you disgusting pig.
I hope you and your sad sack of shit that is your boyfriend go bankrupt for humilitaing this poor man in public for a gotcha moment.
Either:
1. They haven't explicitly told their own counsel that they aren't married or
2. It's an accidental hint that they're going to claim they've been married and have spousal immunity.
I did some google digging, and it's not perfect, but I wanted to see if I could better judge when the rumors really started to surface, as they've consistently said 'ten years or more'. I'm sorry, the post is kind of huge.
2000-2003 he only pops up as the odd credit.
2004 he starts to appear in casual discussion, this is when he makes FMA Fantasy, I believe.
2006 some random podcast claims they have 'as much ego/clout as Vic'. Vic's pants are commented on, because of course they are. In 2009 some fujo revives this to comment about how they despise Vic for not liking the gay.
2007 there's a mention of a tequila story with Travis, but links seem broken. Vic wins best actor award in the 2007 American Anime Awards, whatever that is.
2008 A Deviantart journal/blog post is made titled "Vic, an asshole?" but it's basically clickbait. 90% of the story is him going above and beyond to be nice to people who are constantly pestering him even while he's trying to eat away from the con, and the last bit is merely complaining he's so popular that he steals the show from the cosplayers when he simply stands in the audience of some panel. However, the comments from the OP say they don't really think he is one, and that they were joking. It takes years before any comments are negative. Years later, this is referenced as 'proof' that Vic is awful, ignoring the comments the OP made clarifying that they were joking.
On ANN forums someone says "VIC MIGNOGNA IS A LOUDMOUTH WHO WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT HIS RELIGION OR MOST ANYTHING ELSE THAT HE THINKS HE HAS AN OPINION ABOUT. " satirically as an example of things people say who are being petty for no reason and hating on voice actors. First mention of a negative response to his religion.
2009 a myanimelist club is formed called 'Vic Mignogna is overrated' where the people complain about his voice and hate him getting so many roles, but although comments continue until 2011, no mention of creeper behavior. Vic starts doing random stuff like making an album of his songs, starring in a WoW commercial alongside other celebrities, and directs the infamous Sakuracon commercial. There's a handful of other articles talking about how dubs are bad or Vic is bad at dubbing voices
A yaoi fan says offhandedly "I've attended my first Anime convention in 2009, although Vic Mignogna made me want to run away from my home state. ' while rambling incoherently about how they're now fluent in Japanese before translating some BL game route. I don't know what that means. There's no further context.
Vic mentions on a panel that he's not into slash pairings. This gets recorded and put onto youtube. The poor fool.
2010 - Gaia online thread titled "What did Vic Mignogna do at Ikkicon?!" I don't know how to archive it since it has a captcha buffer page. It opens with "I heard Vic did something bad, but not what?" samples of responses:
"I don't know,but I can guess that some random, stupid, yaoi obsessed fangirl wanted Vic to sign or say some dumb yaoi thing with one of his characters, and he probably flipped out because he does not support homosexuality "
"Apparently, he was half-drunk or something, and a fangirl asked him to sign a picture of EdxRoy, and he did flip out and say mean things to her. She cried. ; n ;
But I think she might've deserved it, anyway. She was being annoying. And everyone knows Vic doesn't support yaoi very much, especially that pairing. > w < "
"Vic just has no clue how to handle fans. He takes parts for characters that ALREADY have huge SLASH fandoms and then gets drunk and yells at Slash fans. "
"He was nice at Acen last year
then again he had a big rant on his "no slash pairings" thing and how he doesn't care for that stuff.
The whole thing's on youtube. "
"It still has not been flat out stated that they are indeed gay. That's wherein the problem lies.
Having homosexual tendencies but being straight is fine via Vic's mindset. Taking those tendencies and turning them into no form of straight, 100% gay is not.
And with the supposed case at hand, the girl kept asking and begging him to sign it after he said no and she refused to take no for an answer. I'd say he's justified. "
They argue about this for a few pages, with fujoshis mad and everyone else saying knock it off. Interestingly, he's recorded in 2009 saying he doesn't like slash pairings, despite doing yaoi fanservice for fans, and then mysteriously this incident happens in 2010. After a few pages, someone posts this:
"I CAN say he never did anything of the sort that this topic started from. Believe me, it would have circulated around that convention faster than wildfire if it did happen, because there was thousands of people there. And I was there all three days. I did hear some stuff where he cut the cosplay show short because it was time for his flipping concert that could have waited five-ten-fifteen more minutes (and anyways, it was late starting by half an hour in the mean time ANYWAYS, would know I was standing in that god for saken line). So yeah. "
Miraculously a year after he's caught on camera disapproving of yaoi, a story emerges that he drunkenly raged at a fan who refused to stop pestering him to sigh some Roy/Ed art. Fujos decide he's a diva and homophobic because of this, even though they admit he does yaoi fanservice for fans at cons. Someone actually present that entire con debunks the story and says what really happened is that he mildly inconvenienced some people by causing their cosplay show to be cut slightly short for his concert.
Someone rants about Vic at Tekkoshowcon 2010. You may remember this name as the convention the Crimson Chin claims he ran off with three girls at. Vic holds a 'rumors' panel, which addresses the rumors that currently only exist on 4chan and some cosplay site. This is what that rant is about - the writer is annoyed he's not more mature.
The rumors were:
1 -That he plans to quit voice acting and become a minister. He does not.
2 -That he's often drunk at cons. Vic retaliates saying he's not sure what beer tastes like, and has only had the occasional drink at dinner, and will award $100 to anyone who gets a photo of him drunk.
3 -That he's mean to fans, VAs, and cons. He denies this and rambles a bit, I guess? The narrator is distracted by his fans getting irritated by their irreverent behavior here.
4- That he forces his religion on others. Vic denies this, but the narrator feels this is untrue, because he keeps mentioning his faith, like saying 'God loves you', so that's the same thing, right?
5- That he hates yaoi and that Fai and Kurogane are gay for each other. He denies both. The narrator rolls their eyes.
He then tells his fans to correct people if they hear those rumors, and the narrator feels it's him siccing his fans on them. You'll note there's a very important rumor that seems to be missing from that lineup, despite this being the time when they were assigning 'handlers' to keep Vic from getting too handsy.
The comments tell Vic to go DIAF and be banned from cons for daring to hold this panel. They're probably fujos. No one mentions any kind of sexual rumors until it gets necro'd in 2019 and confuses the OP. OP claims to be 'in the green room' and 'has seen Vic get drunk', but even they don't talk about him being handsy.
2012 - Here we have the first 'happened to my friend' story, and 'of course it's about Vic', but where this is mostly just the gay hate, force his religion stories, this is the first time someone mentions 'pedophile', claiming they heard he has sex with underage Ed cosplayers.
A brief Kaizenshuu thread asking about his homophobic/mean rumors. Consensus is that fujos gonna fujo. Someone mentions Kyle Herbert trying to be polite as two fujo girls ranted about Vic to him.
2013 - Beneath the Tangle interviews Vic. Not much new is discussed, but Vic talks about his history in the church, how he butted heads with it because of anime and his fans, and discusses how VERY upset the rumors make him. He theorizes it's because he stands up for his faith and people don't like that. Sexual rumors aren't mentioned here, so it seems they haven't gotten much traction by the time this is written.
4chan tells stories about him, but 4chan has always hated him. It's the first time a 4chan result appears for him in google, though. Also a brief troll thread of Crunchyroll is created, marking the second mention of him being a pedophile. No one believes him, but it is acknowledged that the groping myths exist.
And AMV forum thread is posted where a fan is angry people badmouth Vic and JYB. Only thing of note is that aside from resounding 'eh', is this one post where someone states 'Vic likes to take young girls to his room', which is relevant because they say "Our AMV Contest Coordinator had to deal with him one year for the con and he was an uptight asshole the entire time. " which sounds a bit like it could be the Chin.
A random fujo claims she screamed about how Vic was a creepy host while out drinking during a con.
2014 - People be mad that Vic is going to voice Rin Matsuoka of Free, because Rin isn't gay, but fujos really really want him to be.
GameFAQs wants to know what the fuss is about, because the fujos absolutely losing their minds about Vic getting the part of Rin Matsuoka have dragged the pedo claims into the public consciousness more. There's little to note except that one guy claims there's a rumor of him doing something negative to Monica Rial, but he doesn't ever expand on it.
2015 - AND HERE WE ARE. The first claim of "This has been known for 10+ years!"
Has it, though?
Has it?
In brief, let's consider the timeline:
From 1995-2003, Vic is just not important enough to be on the baby internet. About 2004-05, he hits his stride of success, clearly involving FMA. He becomes popular, and starts popping up everywhere, getting interviews and releasing music.
By 2006, people begin accusing him of having a big ego, and by 2008 Vic is a big enough deal to have a crazy stalker girl and be considered 'the thing to be' by crazy wannabe voice actors. Aside from the odd 'he's egotistical/religious', it seems no one has anything bad to say about Vic unless they're insane.
2009 hits. Vic is even bigger. People start getting mad because he's too popular, and hate on him to be different. This is probably when 4chan starts up on its initial Vic hate crusade, but I can't be sure. Vic makes his biggest mistake of his career this year: he admits to not liking yaoi.
By the time a year passes, all of a sudden Vic has gone from the sweet man who gives warm hugs, to the first rumors of him being a drunken rager who attacks fujoshi for being fujoshi. 99% of the nonsexual rumors now circling the web are born here, and they upset Vic enough that he feels the need to make a panel dedicated to debunking each of them. Obviously, it doesn't work, because fujoshi never forgive and never forget.
In 2010, fujos want Vic kicked from cons and for him to die, because he doesn't like yaoi.
By 2012, the first sexual rumors start, but don't get any steam until 2013.
Then the dub for Free! arrives, and Vic is cast for Rin Matsuoka. A petition is launched, and fujoshi get SUPER MAD about him voicing Rin. If you knew about the rumors before January, you probably learned about them circa 2014, because this is when they launched a massive campaign to attack Vic's character and try to drive him out of the industry to stop him from voicing their (not actually) gay boy.
One year later, the campaign - having failed to stop him voicing Rin - has now morphed to claim that these accusations have been stretching "10+ years" In actuality, they had existed for 3, and really not gotten going until 2.
SO. His sex rumors have not been rampant for 'decades'. In fact, according to internet record as far as I can find - and that's all that really matters, since it was supposedly such an open secret - they've existed for 7. I wouldn't be surprised if they've existed for just barely 10 now, if we assume that the moment he went against the yaoi the fujos started whispering it, but it was not in public consciousness yet.
Conclusion: Vic's rumors are all because of fujos, except for the rumors that he's egotistical, which come from jealousy.
Nice timeline. However I do see a couple issues looking at it. First, the smaller issue is that it could really use months as well as years where available. That'd make it a lot easier to track and compare other events.
The second issue is a question, did you intentionally omit 4chan results for whatever reason? Or did you just not look through 4chan archives? I ask because a quick search of one of them for "Vic underage" with some constraints on the years turns up this post:
from a Dec 2011 thread asking /a/ why someone on /cgl/ is bashing Vic, which claims that Vic has been banned from conventions. That's a year or two before the first instance you found. The same search also turns up some links to a thread from March 2009 asking about an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry which claimed Vic slept with fan girls, and used some ANN email response about assholey VA as it's basis for the claim. One of the responses clarifies that the ANN thing alleged knowing of one VA who would shack up with underage fans at cons, but didn't give any names. I suspect that ED entry and ANN thing might be the main source of claims that Vic creeps on underage fans. It's from 10 years ago, and claims along those lines seem to drop off to a handful of ignored comments before that. Furthermore a similar search for "Vic fangirl" turns up this post from July 2008:
The /cgl/ link is long lost to time, but the first page of the forum link survives in archives. It's some cosplay forum that died years ago, probably around 2010. Subjects of the thread appear to include complaints about him disliking yaoi starting with some comment he supposedly made at Sakuracon 2008, complaints about his religion, claims that his dislike of yaoi is actually general homophobia, allegations of him be a dick to con staff and other people, etc. So people complaining about his dislike of yaoi a year before you found, however a noticeable lack of complaints about inappropriate sexual advances.
So as you can see, while old claims posted about him on 4chan are likely to be as unreliable as claims posted to tumblr, looking at them does make for some significant changes to your timeline.
Soye's last name also isn't Rial (yet) so they're implying she's married to some one with the last name Rial? It's almost as bizzare (but nowhere near as funny) as Ron putting himself down as Mr/Mrs Ronald Toye on that ethics complaint.
It doesn't matter since they're not married but a lot of danger hair ladies keep their last names after marriage. SJW men with negative self respect will sometime even take their wife's last name.
Either:
1. They haven't explicitly told their own counsel that they aren't married or
2. It's an accidental hint that they're going to claim they've been married and have spousal immunity.
Interesting. So am I to take from this then that the romantic encounter he had was with Kara, not Monica? I don't remember the stories very clearly since they were trash, but it looks like it might actually be that Monica and Vic never did anything, which does support the idea that Monica wanted Vic but he wasn't interested.
Also, odd. The end says that Marchi's lawyer got a half hour to question Vic, but it appears none of that made it into the transcript.
Note that not all of the transcript is here. Bits were cut, presumably due to irrelevance to this argument and filing. And lack of smear value to boot.
Soye's last name also isn't Rial (yet) so they're implying she's married to some one with the last name Rial? It's almost as bizzare (but nowhere near as funny) as Ron putting himself down as Mr/Mrs Ronald Toye on that ethics complaint.
Interesting. So am I to take from this then that the romantic encounter he had was with Kara, not Monica? I don't remember the stories very clearly since they were trash, but it looks like it might actually be that Monica and Vic never did anything, which does support the idea that Monica wanted Vic but he wasn't interested.
Also, odd. The end says that Marchi's lawyer got a half hour to question Vic, but it appears none of that made it into the transcript.
Depends. I know that a lot of married voice actresses (Luci Christian, Brittney Karbowski, Cherami Leigh, Ellyn Stern, Megan Shipman, Brittany Lauda, etc etc) are still known by their maiden names. The only one who I can think of who changed her name was Kristi Bingham, who now goes by her married name Kristi Kang.
Soooo, thanks to the brilliant minds of kickvic, Ty now has proof to show the judge that yes, Vic's deposition was going to be used to further defame him. If this issue ever gets brought back up, Ty can just slap the opposing side with these tweets that so obviously are cherry picking the depos.
Soooo, thanks to the brilliant minds of kickvic, Ty now has proof to show the judge that yes, Vic's deposition was going to be used to further defame him. If this issue ever gets brought back up, Ty can just slap the opposing side with these tweets that so obviously are cherry picking the depos.
Nice timeline. However I do see a couple issues looking at it. First, the smaller issue is that it could really use months as well as years where available. That'd make it a lot easier to track and compare other events.
The second issue is a question, did you intentionally omit 4chan results for whatever reason? Or did you just not look through 4chan archives? I ask because a quick search of one of them for "Vic underage" with some constraints on the years turns up this post:
from a Dec 2011 thread asking /a/ why someone on /cgl/ is bashing Vic, which claims that Vic has been banned from conventions. That's a year or two before the first instance you found. The same search also turns up some links to a thread from March 2009 asking about an Encyclopedia Dramatica entry which claimed Vic slept with fan girls, and used some ANN email response about assholey VA as it's basis for the claim. One of the responses clarifies that the ANN thing alleged knowing of one VA who would shack up with underage fans at cons, but didn't give any names. I suspect that ED entry and ANN thing might be the main source of claims that Vic creeps on underage fans. It's from 10 years ago, and claims along those lines seem to drop off to a handful of ignored comments before that. Furthermore a similar search for "Vic fangirl" turns up this post from July 2008:View attachment 833836
The /cgl/ link is long lost to time, but the first page of the forum link survives in archives. It's some cosplay forum that died years ago, probably around 2010. Subjects of the thread appear to include complaints about him disliking yaoi starting with some comment he supposedly made at Sakuracon 2008, complaints about his religion, claims that his dislike of yaoi is actually general homophobia, allegations of him be a dick to con staff and other people, etc. So people complaining about his dislike of yaoi a year before you found, however a noticeable lack of complaints about inappropriate sexual advances.
So as you can see, while old claims posted about him on 4chan are likely to be as unreliable as claims posted to tumblr, looking at them does make for some significant changes to your timeline.
I intentionally omitted 4chan, because 4chan accusing someone of something means as much as dirt. They're purposefully inflammatory and you could find those kinds of accusations about anyone there at any time. Also, until halfway through the search of google by years, nothing from 4chan popped up at all. In 2010 it does reference that 4chan and some cosplay site (cosfu) had been peddling the rumors that Vic addressed. The rumor panel was actually specifically aimed at 4chan and cosfu, because they were basically the only ones pushing it at the time.
That said, this still aligns fairly well with my timeline if we assume the most generous timeline where the scummiest of fujo immediately started pushing the whispers of pedo from the moment he talked down to fujo in ACEN 2009. I had no confirmation that 4chan/that cosplay board had whispered before 2009, but since the Gaia thread in 2010 has everyone just 'know' he's not into yaoi, that indicates people had already sussed he didn't care for it even if he hadn't made a statement about it.
As for the VA ANN is slagging, I'm actually suspecting that's Travis Willingham. Didn't want to drag that up to give them a target, but stories about him go back all the way to something like 2004 and popped up in my Vic searches. Something to do with alcohol and drunken adventures and another outrageous claim where he tried to smuggle two minor girls into his room and had to beg the parents for three (I know, right) hours not to call the cops on him when he was caught.
Anyway, it's noteworthy, but I stand by my timeline because 4chan doesn't count, nor does the cosplay board which seemed to be something chan-like in nature as well, and even if we consider it, the 2009 catalyst for the rumors still remains the starting point, it just spread faster into chan culture than the saner parts of the internet. The general rule of thumb I went with was that if no one had heard of any of the accusations (even if they hated him) in results found on Google, the knowledge network required to know it existed was too wide at the time to matter. That's important, because the accusations being "10+ years (which it still isn't to this day even if it started in '09) and an open secret everyone knew" requires at least an undercurrent of knowledge about it from the people in the community.
As for the month thing, not all of the sites I found had a month indicator, some just said 'x years ago', and I was actually not so much concerned with building a timeline as figuring out exactly what year the rumors started, what the oldest accusations were, and what triggered them. It turning into a functional timeline was a happy accident.
