ContraPoints / William Nicholas Parrott / Natalie Wynn Parrott / Nykytyne2 - GamerGhazi Cannibalism Victim, Youtube "Intellectual"

[whatintheheck]

I didn't see anyone post this but found I found it funny, Contra posts about how hard it is being a millionaire who only makes a video every month and a half and how unreasonable it is for people to expect her to actually produce more content.

Natalie Wynn 🔜 VidCon on Twitter: "A lot of people on here nag me ab…

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Contra has to shop for his videos! How horrible, it must be such a pain to go out and find new shitty drag queen outfits. Just go to any thrift store and find whatever tacky outfits they have then walk through a mist of glitter and boom you have your typical contra drag queen look for the new video.

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The horror, can you imagine having to read 20 articles or a book for a video? Also reading a few things doesn't make you an expert on a topic, Contra.

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How fucking lazy are you contra? It takes you 4 full days to write a 5,000-word script when you have 20+ sources usually to work from?

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Apparently Theyrn "helps" Contra edit his scripts and audio, aka I imagine he just gives all that work off to Theyrn. Something tells me he probably doesn't even pay Theyrn at all since Theyrn is like a cult-like follower of Contra now.


They stick to the view that because the government is right-wing that somehow justifies their stance against "the man". Even though pretty much all major corporations support their agenda, which arguably a lot more concerning than a government that changes views every 4-8 years depending on who's the current leader. I am looking forward to the mental gymnastics they'll play next time the liberals win and have control over both the government and most big corporations

I mean you already have to be seriously deluded to be able to google Contrapoints and look at the news section to see nothing but praise pieces of him as the "killer of the alt-right" and still believe that you're the underdog.

In the tweet comments re: Wynn's video filming and production process, Big Joel and Peter Coffin responded with asspats galore -- more examples showing how Breadtube is a big hugbox echo-chamber.

I actually tried to give Wynn some benefit of the doubt by listening to a left-leaning podcast today: The Michael Brooks Show, with special guest Contra Points. In this episode, they talked about how 'problematic' and 'bigoted' Jordan Peterson is, while not really engaging in any of his actual arguments -- or at least in good faith. They tried to argue that his commentary re: women wearing makeup in the workplace is an example of the 'motte and bailey fallacy' and that he's somehow arguing for women to universally go back to being homemakers, and that because Peterson's political views are skewed a bit further right than their own, he's somehow in league with the alt-right and also validating overtly homophobic, transphobic and otherwise bigoted stances. Essentially, they're confusing a small portion of Peterson's audience for Peterson himself, which is completely unfair given that *anything* sufficiently popular is going to have some douchebags among its fanbase.

I think they're just misunderstanding what Peterson's saying, or at least not being charitable with their interpretations. If you take almost *anything* somebody says completely out of its context, it's easy enough to frame someone as supporting an odious viewpoint. I'm personally not a huge Peterson fanboy, but I think he has a more grounded and realistic stance on politics, and his lectures on psychology have been particularly helpful to a large audience of disaffected youth -- certainly moreso than could be said of Breadtube as a whole, which alternatively seems to primarily sow discontent and promote fractionation and increased alienation and bitterness among its audience.

I would agree with the general sentiment that Peterson often loses the plot whenever he starts yapping about stuff outside his realm of expertise (psychology), but when he IS talking about psychology and self help he's offering a legitimately positive and useful message -- and also doing a much, much better job of re-radicalizing younger men from going full-blown alt-right. Given that Peterson AND Wynn are concerned with 'talking people off the edge' from being radicalized to the far right, I just don't see why Breadtube has so many problems and hangups with Peterson. They're both trying to achieve the same goal in that regard, albeit through different approaches -- and Peterson's method seems to be reaching a much wider audience and achieving that goal more effectively. So is it just jealousy? Why don't they just accept that people are receptive to different messages, and if the ultimate goal of de-radicalization is the same, why be so critical of someone that seems to be doing some good?

Regarding the makeup issue, I thought this psychiatrist had a particularly intelligent take on the matter:
The Last Psychiatrist: No Self-respecting Woman Would Go Out Without Makeup

 

[Pargon]

This post by some queerbait twink tumblrite is making the rounds and I don't have the energy to dive that deep into what is obviously delusion aching for wokeness but it blends the left forever eating itself, postmodern irony coming under attack and classic progressive intentional obtuseness. Delicious.

Archived here: https://archive.fo/fe4VQ

 

[Nocturna]

Fellow lolcow Quinton Reviews made a 17-minute-long blowfile video about Hontra

Oh god. I don' t even know if I wan to even watch this. I don't think I need to see any more Contra dick sucking lol.

 

[Traummaschine]

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Contra has to shop for his videos! How horrible, it must be such a pain to go out and find new shitty drag queen outfits. Just go to any thrift store and find whatever tacky outfits they have then walk through a mist of glitter and boom you have your typical contra drag queen look for the new video.
news section to see nothing but praise pieces of him as the "killer of the alt-right" and still believe that you're the underdog.

Contra telling us that theatrics comes first in videos by saying the first thing he does when making a video is choosing outfits.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

After watching that video by Vaush, I find it fascinating that the conversations between Poppy and Vaush have gone from "alleged flirtation" to "sexual harassment" to "sexual abuse", according to Poppy.

literally raped and murdered them

 

[Sissy Galvez]

Contra telling us that theatrics comes first in videos by saying the first thing he does when making a video is choosing outfits.

Reminding everyone he spends all that money his videos bring in on designer clothes for himself.

 

[whatintheheck]

Contra telling us that theatrics comes first in videos by saying the first thing he does when making a video is choosing outfits.

Literally fitting the dialogue to the costume, form over function, style over substance. The details and specifics of the content are secondary considerations to the surface level.

I get that there's an aspect of drag as a sort performative and visual art form, and that there's obviously an audience for it, and that I'm not part of that target audience. But as an example of philosophical dialogue, Contrapoint videos just seem so over the top and distracting from the main points, like some sort of gaudy fake gold lacquer over a lead core. Wynn seems to want to 'have her cake and eat it too' -- for the arguments and perspectives to be taken seriously, while simultaneously gesticulating wildly in what is perhaps the most absurdly campy, kitschy form of visual performance.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

literally raped and murdered them

I could see a murder victim being all over twitter, demanding that Contra pay attention to their drama.

 

[scathefire]

I get that there's an aspect of drag as a sort performative and visual art form, and that there's obviously an audience for it, and that I'm not part of that target audience. But as an example of philosophical dialogue, Contrapoint videos just seem so over the top and distracting from the main points, like some sort of gaudy fake gold lacquer over a lead core. Wynn seems to want to 'have her cake and eat it too' -- for the arguments and perspectives to be taken seriously, while simultaneously gesticulating wildly in what is perhaps the most absurdly campy, kitschy form of visual performance.

Maybe it barely matters at this point if he can convert centrists to the faith, he's already built himself a cult that relentlessly spams "I want my dark BDSM mommy to lovingly rape me" over and over again on social media, and that might be enough to keep him relevant in the BreadTube corner.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

Literally fitting the dialogue to the costume, form over function, style over substance. The details and specifics of the content are secondary considerations to the surface level.

I get that there's an aspect of drag as a sort performative and visual art form, and that there's obviously an audience for it, and that I'm not part of that target audience. But as an example of philosophical dialogue, Contrapoint videos just seem so over the top and distracting from the main points, like some sort of gaudy fake gold lacquer over a lead core. Wynn seems to want to 'have her cake and eat it too' -- for the arguments and perspectives to be taken seriously, while simultaneously gesticulating wildly in what is perhaps the most absurdly campy, kitschy form of visual performance.

It’s so funny that you mentioned drag when he has to remind everyone he’s trans and his “performance” isn’t drag even though it looks like it 100%.

His heavily photoshopped publicity photos are not his reality. He looks like a man doing drag.

 

[whatintheheck]

It’s so funny that you mentioned drag when he has to remind everyone he’s trans and his “performance” isn’t drag even though it looks like it 100%.

His heavily photoshopped publicity photos are not his reality. He looks like a man doing drag.

Yeah, I would venture to guess that "Natalie" might ultimately end up just coming out as a gay man, re-adopt Nyk as his name, and admit that the Contrapoints personae are all just examples of drag. Seriously tho, nobody cares that you want to present extremely effeminately, nor do they care what your sexual orientation is -- if this is the case, the only person who would be getting played the fool is Wynn herself into thinking that this trans-trend is anything more than internalized homophobia.

I could be wrong and perhaps Nyk is legit just another textbook example of an AGP transwoman -- which btw, why are people so hung up on the validity of Blanchard's theory? It seems to hold true in the majority of cases, so why abandon it entirely? If it's "just a hunch" based on numerous anecdotes, why not conduct a new scientific study and present a better explanation for the phenomenon? It seems like transgender people are so incredibly scared to admit that maybe for a portion of their community, it's largely a paraphilia that's driving the desire to transition. Is this the worst thing in the world? Does it somehow make them less valid in their chosen identities? Is describing something accurately really that offensive?

 

[Jason Blaha's Hat]

The internet was a mistake.

As the last few posts reveal, finding microcosm communities full of these people on discord, twitter and random sub-*edit: and it has nothing to do with Wynn's trans-identity.. note that David Lynch is overtly pro-LGBT+, e.g. as made apparent via his depiction of David Duchovny's Denise Bryson character in Twin Peaks

Nyk is Denise Bryson but with the ego of Albert Rosenfield and the drug and sex habits of Laura Palmer.

Yeah, I would venture to guess that "Natalie" might ultimately end up just coming out as a gay man

I think nyk is in far too deep for that to ever happen. He’ll kill himself before he de-transisitions. All it would do is prove his critics right.

 

[Feline Darkmage]

This post by some queerbait twink tumblrite is making the rounds and I don't have the energy to dive that deep into what is obviously delusion aching for wokeness but it blends the left forever eating itself, postmodern irony coming under attack and classic progressive intentional obtuseness. Delicious.

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Even though I have my criticisms of Wynn, my fave part of this thread has always been when someone posts a woke a-log going after her for making obvious jokes or some other dumb shit they blow out of proportion.

Is this the worst thing in the world? Does it somehow make them less valid in their chosen identities? Is describing something accurately really that offensive?

A lot of transphobes use AGP as a way of saying people shouldn't transition because its "just perversion". That of course causes a lot of apprehension with people who want to transition.

 

[Marche]

This post by some queerbait twink tumblrite is making the rounds and I don't have the energy to dive that deep into what is obviously delusion aching for wokeness but it blends the left forever eating itself, postmodern irony coming under attack and classic progressive intentional obtuseness. Delicious.

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Communists are very antisemitic for what it's worth. Most just tend to skirt around the topic of who owns the foreskin industry.

 

[whatintheheck]

I think nyk is in far too deep for that to ever happen. He’ll kill himself before he de-transisitions. All it would do is prove his critics right.

Why does it matter what his critics say? If he's just exploring his gender/sexuality and he discovers that, "Hey, maybe I'd prefer to present as an effeminate gay man when I'm not in-character", why is that such a big deal? Does Wynn have no sympathy for the people out there that have de-transitioned? Are their lives and opinions not valid?

 

[scathefire]

Why does it matter what his critics say? If he's just exploring his gender/sexuality and he discovers that, "Hey, maybe I'd prefer to present as an effeminate gay man when I'm not in-character", why is that such a big deal? Does Wynn have no sympathy for the people out there that have de-transitioned? Are their lives and opinions not valid?

The problem is that detransitioners as a phenomenon cannot coexist with what intersectional feminists say about transition (especially regarding children). Maybe that's untrue, but I've never, ever seen the topic addressed by trans rights activists. If they do have a reason or justification for it, someone please show me, because as far as I can tell it's been a continuous blank spot on their map. If he detransitioned then he would also have to break with his current politics, which isn't out of the question, but it would be a major obstacle.

ETA: Also, there's another Dazed article that just came out.

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[BlueShark]

The problem is that detransitioners as a phenomenon cannot coexist with what intersectional feminists say about transition (especially regarding children). Maybe that's untrue, but I've never, ever seen the topic addressed by trans rights activists. If they do have a reason or justification for it, someone please show me, because as far as I can tell it's been a continuous blank spot on their map. If he detransitioned then he would also have to break with his current politics, which isn't out of the question, but it would be a major obstacle.

ETA: Also, there's another Dazed article that just came out.

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I'm a detransitioned person and I received nothing but scorn from the trans community. (Sorry for invoking my "identity" but sometimes it's necessary) - They like to pretend we don't exist because it would ruin their narrative. Specially in my case since I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria after months of therapy. If anything my experience made me a lot more aware of the shit that's going on.
Edit: They don't like giving us a voice because they're afraid that just by telling our experiences we prove that sometimes a GD diagnosis can be wrong even after months, years, a whole life of symptoms. I know a detrans woman who spent 10 years on testosterone and was absolutely sure she was actually a transman during this decade.

 

[scathefire]

I'm a detransitioned person and I received nothing but scorn from the trans community. (Sorry for invoking my "identity" but sometimes it's necessary) - They like to pretend we don't exist because it would ruin their narrative. Specially in my case since I was diagnosed with gender dysphoria after months of therapy. If anything my experience made me a lot more aware of the shit that's going on.
Edit: They don't like giving us a voice because they're afraid that just by telling our experiences we prove that sometimes a GD diagnosis can be wrong even after months, years, a whole life of symptoms. I know a detrans woman who spent 10 years on testosterone and was absolutely sure she was actually a transman during this decade.

I feel for people like you, I really do. I can't imagine what it's like to be ostracized on that level by people who should be supporting you. Maybe the avoidance is based on fear-- you represent a nagging anxiety that probably exists in the back of many transitioned people's minds.

 

[whatintheheck]

To error is human. If Natalie truly doesn’t want to continue being a woman, the brave and proper action to take would be to detransition.

I’m not so sure that that’s the case; she really could be much happier and secure as a woman. But if there is any doubt, then hopefully she would figure it out before she has an irreparable and disfiguring surgery completed — that just seems like the wrong choice for anyone who’s in some doubt about transitioning.

Regardless, people who have chosen to detransition deserve peace, love and understanding. Such people were probably largely misled by well-meaning socially progressive folks. It’s just such a shame that the person was misguided and made a terrible mistake. Hopefully such people are rare, but it is an unfortunate reality for some.

 

[Grand Lunar]

Fellow lolcow Quinton Reviews made a 17-minute-long blowfile video about Hontra

Yet another youtuber that can't give any credible specifics as to how Contrapoints swayed them to SJW politics. Unlike the others there seems to be actual record of him holding some anti-SJW views in the past, but his given reasons for his mind being changed are still too vague. He gives two main reasons for switching:
1. Seeing Milo Stewart get bullied by grown adults. Yes, adults continuously lambasting a 17 year old youtuber was completely pathetic, but SJWs viciously attack innocent people all the time. Hell, the entire leftist media united against a teenager earlier this year over what turned out to be a fake news story, and vehemently refused to walk it back after new footage proved them wrong. To think that anti-SJWs are the only ones acting this way is willfully blind.
2. Going to vidcon and realizing that almost everyone who thought like him "looked just like him." Except honestly, even Skeptic youtube at the time was more diverse in terms of race, gender, and orientation than "Breadtube" is. Even Kat Blaque pointed out the uniformity of Breadtube.

I think that we can assume that this guy is just a trend hopper. Anti-SJW stuff was profitable for a while, but getting less feasible every day unless you're a big name (and even then there's the looming threat of being banned). The Contrapoints club is only gaining more support because of the sudden media push and the fact that their community is finally gaining a foothold on Youtube. Convenient that he left just as Skeptic stuff was falling from its peak.