Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

How to Raise a Prima Facie Issue Re: Actual Malice

I see statements like this by twitter lawyers,

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1149557557662375936

Basically, they seem to take the position that “actual malice” is practically an impossible burden to get past. It’s a common position by the “nothing is defamation” defense bar. You also see it when you read articles on the Rolling Stone Rape case where Nicole Eramo sued Rolling Stone for defamation—before the case went to trial and she kicked Rolling Stone’s ass and won a multi-million dollar judgment—you see a lot of “well, she’s not going to be able to get past the “actual malice” hurdle. You saw the same think when Hulk Hogan sued Gawker. In both cases, the plaintiffs got past the actual malice hurdle and won big judgments.

I don’t know if Vic can win his lawsuit. But in scoring this case, it’s probably helpful to get a sense of what you need to show to raise a prima facie case of actual malice (vice just relying on doucette’s parroting of got to show actual malice and that’s not like real malice, yada yada yada. While actual malice isn’t the same as ordinary malice, it’s not as far removed as you might think.

Actual malice is a matter of constitutional law, so you can (and Texas courts do) rely on cases from other jurisdictions that have grappled with this issue. In this post, I look at federal and US Supreme Court cases, California cases, and Texas cases. Each can be distinguished, but I think they’ll give a sense of what Vic needs to show and help you understand why “Yes, Virginia, Ron’s deposition did hurt him.”

You start with the United States Supreme Court’s declaration that the “existence of actual malice may be shown in many ways, as long as the claim is properly supported by admissible evidence. Malice may be proved through any competent evidence, either direct or circumstantial. All of the relevant circumstances surrounding the transaction may be shown, provided they are not too remote, including threats, other defamatory statements, subsequent statements made by the defendant, any circumstances that indicate the existence of rivalry, ill will, or hostility between the parties, and facts that tend to show a reckless disregard of the plaintiff's rights on the part of the defendant.” Herbert v. Lando, 441 U.S. 153, 164 fn. 12 (1979). Notice, you can show a reckless disregard for the truth by putting evidence of rivalry, ill will, or hostility. I would argue that ample evidence exists of rivalry, ill will, and hostility toward Vic on the part of “I want his balls” Marchie, Ron the ____, and his paramour Monica.

In a California case, the court upheld a trial court’s conclusion that malice could be inferred “where, for example, a story is fabricated by the defendant, is the product of his imagination, or is based wholly on an unverified anonymous telephone call.” Nguyen-Lam v. Cao, 171 Cal. App. 4th 858, 869 (2009) (citing Christian Research Institute v. Alnor, 148 Cal. App. 4th 71, 85, 55 Cal. Rptr. 3d 600 (2007). Look at Ron’s deposition responses and I see a total reliance on unverified third-party information, if not outright imaginative fabrication.

Doucette, et al., will constantly point out that actual malice doesn’t mean malice. But the truth is that a court can look at “… anger and hostility toward the plaintiff ...” and “in an appropriate case, [infer] that the publisher himself had serious doubts regarding the truth of his publication ….” Christian Research Institute v. Alnor, 148 Cal.App.4th 71, 84–85 (2007). For example, “…an engineer's motive of wanting to suppress the making of a film and his anger with the film's producer “sufficient evidence from which the jury could have found that [the engineer] knew [his libelous statement about the producer] was false, or was recklessly indifferent as to whether his statement was accurate or not”)). Widener v. Pacific Gas & Elec. Co.,75 Cal.App.3d 415, 436 (1977). In Ron, I see a man who is angry and hostile toward Vic, a man who didn’t give a damn whether his statements were accurate or not. There’s a lot of ammunition that can go toward raising a prima facie case of actual malice in Ron’s total failure to look into whether his statements were true. A perhaps better example can be found in the the California Supreme Court case where it found that the evidence supported a finding of actual malice where a newspaper defamation defendant relied on a third-party source without interviewing a key witness or listening to a tape recording provided by the defamation plaintiff. Harte–Hanks Commc'ns, Inc. v. Connaughton, 105 L.Ed.2d 562, 692 (1989). It’s pretty clear Ron didn’t go out and talk to anyone he was quoting or whose stories he was embellishing.

Also, it’s pretty clear that Ron lied about the source of his defamatory statements on multiple occasions (there were a ton of investigations). A court found that lying about the source of information can be evidence of actual malice from which a reasonable jury could find that (i) defendant misrepresented his investigation and sources of information and (ii) defendant had some motive not to probe into the truth regarding the alleged defamatory statement. From this, a reasonable juror could conclude that defendant was not honest when he testified about the sources of his information. This is some evidence of actual malice. See Zerangue v. TSP Newspapers, Inc., 814 F.2d 1066, 1070–71 (5th Cir. 1987) (courts have upheld actual malice findings when “the supposed source of the story disclaimed giving the information”); see also Celle v. Filipino Reporter Enter., Inc., 209 F.3d 163, 190 (2d Cir. 2000) (defendant’s self-contradictory testimony about the source of his information supported actual malice finding). Tatum v. The Dallas Morning News, 493 S.W.3d 646 (2015).

The court does not have to only look at what Ron said (believed everything I said), but it can infer actual malice “from the relation of the parties, the circumstances attending the publication, the terms of the publication itself, and from the defendant’s words or acts before, at, or after the time of the communication.” Dolcefino v. Turner, 987 S.W.2d 100, 111-12 (1998). And while the fact that Ron didn’t bother to confirm his facts alone might not be actual malice, but they are factors to be thrown into the mill: “A lack of care or an injurious motive in making a statement is not alone proof of actual malice, but care and motive are factors to be considered. An understandable misinterpretation of ambiguous facts does not show actual malice, but inherently improbable assertions and statements made on information that is obviously dubious may show actual malice. A failure to investigate fully is not evidence of actual malice; a purposeful avoidance of the truth is. Imagining that something may be true is not the same as belief.” Bentley v. Bunton, 94 S.W.3d 561, 596 (2002).

There’s a Texas case where the deponent couldn’t remember much about what she said or did. It didn’t help her when it came to fighting against a showing of actual malice. In a long list of facts, the Court noted the following “At her deposition, McKernan testified that she could not remember whether she had done anything to investigate Watson, including whether she had asked him what he did for a living, whether she had asked him if he ever had any criminal problems, or whether she had Googled his name. She further testified that she did not recall or know of anyone else at TMZ investigating Watson or his background. Later in her deposition, she testified that “[j]ail records are sometimes public record” and that she might have looked up whether Jones was in jail before the article was published.” It found sufficient evidence of actual malice to survive an anti-SLAPP motion. Warner Bros Entertainment, Inc., v. Jones 538 S.W.3d 781 (2017).

In closing, Doucette is right that actual malice requires knowing something is false or a reckless disregard for the truth. He and others are also right in stating that this can be a tough hurdle. But in this case, there’s a wide variety of evidence that can be used to show actual malice and Ron and Monica have left a long slimy trail that can be laid out by Ty when it comes time to oppose their anti-SLAPP. While I don't know how the court will rule on these future motions, I think anyone who tries to tell you Ron and Monica have this in the bag are either lying, ignorant, or haven't examined the evidence.

The Funimation motion is going to be tough. Unlike the other defendants, Funimation left a shorter slime trail.
 
I've also seen law twitter purposefully misread malice to make points. Something along the lines of

"Do you hate Vic?"

"Of course I hate Vic. He assaulted me!"

"So that means you hate Vic?"

"Yes. Because he assaulted me."

Taking the literal definition of malice and simultaneously thinking BHBH is dumb enough to go down that line of questioning.
 
When it comes to Funimation, can Ty still depose them for information on the investigation? I don't see anything about them providing any documents on the investigation and would think that could be a key factor toward overcoming tcpa. I suppose they could include info from Ron and Monica depos to show conflicting information or to show that it was taken as meaning Vic was a sexual predator.

Also anyone know when we will know for sure if Vic is considered a public figure. I know they are preparing as if he is, but wasn't sure at what point his status becomes fact.
 
Also anyone know when we will know for sure if Vic is considered a public figure. I know they are preparing as if he is, but wasn't sure at what point his status becomes fact.
Likely as part of the resolution of someones TCPA or during trial.
 
Popehat chiming in,

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Popehat is the Bob Loblaw Law Blog that's been around for like 15 years. The guy who runs it was a federal prosecutor and writes for all kinds of publications. It's wannabe e-celeb lawyers sucking up to an established e-celeb lawyer. I remember reading his entries on some old internet drama lawsuits back in the day.
 
You saw the same think when Hulk Hogan sued Gawker. In both cases, the plaintiffs got past the actual malice hurdle and won big judgments.

The Hulk Hogan case was somewhat different. The torts were invasion of privacy, infringement of personality rights (a fairly rarely used tort) and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The material wasn't defamation. It was video of something that actually happened. The same general principle applies, the same cohort of cretins insisted that because, for instance, IIED torts are notoriously difficult to prove, that nobody could win this case.

And again, they mistook general principles for the actual facts of the case and just said shit that, taken generally, would be true about [random case] but were not remotely true about the actual case they were opining on. If there is a primary stupidity of "law twitter" (and similar groups of howler monkeys) it is this habit.

I've also seen law twitter purposefully misread malice to make points. Something along the lines of

"Do you hate Vic?"

"Of course I hate Vic. He assaulted me!"

"So that means you hate Vic?"

"Yes. Because he assaulted me."

Taking the literal definition of malice and simultaneously thinking BHBH is dumb enough to go down that line of questioning.

And this is obviously an example of what's called a jury question. The defense is obviously going to argue that the testimony means she hates him because he actually did what she accused him of doing, and the prosecution will say that since this assault never happened, and the plaintiff has testified as such, if you credit that testimony, a reasonable jury could conclude, instead, that she made up the false allegation because she hated him.

Just hating him isn't "actual malice," but it's a valid explanation for why someone might act with reckless disregard for the truth or just deliberately lie, which is what constitutes "actual malice." In theory, you could act with "actual malice" against someone you don't care about or even like if you were reckless enough, but in practice, a jury is much more likely to believe "actual malice" and deliberately lying if it's consistent with normal human behavior and the defendant actually does openly hate and wish harm upon the plaintiff.
 
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I mean when the defense refuses to in depo and refuses to turn over discovery requests, I'm not sure there is another way at this point.

The irony is they are mocking Ty when he just got a huge win. The other side stipulated on the record that every one of those tweets is authentic and can be used without objections such as hearsay. Popehat asked, "Do they know how to authenticate a document?"

You know what one to authenticate a document is? Get a stipulation that it's authentic. But Popehat implies Ty didn't know how to authenticate the documents in deposition.

This means Popehat has no idea what went down in Ron's deposition. Do you know the first question you ask when trying to authenticate a document? It's this,

"Do you recognize this document?"

If the deponent says, "No, or I don't know," you just got cock-blocked." So then you say, "Didn't your counsel produce this document in response to my request that you produce all tweets made by you?"

But if other side didn't produce any documents, cock blocked.

You know what you need to do when an opposing side won't produce a document or acknowledge a copy? You got to the judge. What did Ty do? Yeah.

If the other side refused to acknowledge the document and also says they all burned up on a fire and the judge won't grant relief, you can still authenticate documents, but it gets expensive, and likely involves subpoening third parties.

What this little POPEHAT snippet really illustrates is the bias the constellation of POPEHAT wannabes have toward Vic and Ty based on the initial "calling my client a piece of shit" is defamation statement (which I found funny, but not defamatory).

They're trying to win points and there are no points giving for acknowledging any strength of Vic or Ty's case. This might be the clearest example of that bias. It's clear from it that you can't take anything the twitter brigade says on face value.

Honestly, I don't take anything Ty says (he's rightfully biased toward his client) or Nick says (love him or not, he benefits from the shit storm continuing to swirl) at face value. My initial view when it comes to other people is that everyone is a fucking liar. I'm rarely surprised.

Having said this, I think Ty is the straightest shooter. If I had to trust someone to tell the truth, I'd hate it, but I'd pick him. I don't pick Nick. While I believe he tells the truth, I also think he simplifies legal issues too much. He acknowledges the other side's points, but IMO he comes down too hard on one side when it's often far more grey that he makes it appear. The POPEHAT wannabees, I don't trust at all. I can always predict that no matter what the facts say, they'll come down on the 4thelulz side of mocking Vic/Ty/Nick.
 
I just had a nasty thought regarding Lemonhead’s big surprise for next week, his harping on the GFM, and the nagging question of how the fuck they are paying for this all? Since many places (I don’t know Texas?) specifically outlaw lawyers using contingency fees for defendants in a situation like this. We can safely assume Lemonhead is going to drop his TCPA next week. He has to by Thursday. But is he scheming to drop some sort of shady countersuit?
 
The irony is they are mocking Ty when he just got a huge win. The other side stipulated on the record that every one of those tweets is authentic and can be used without objections such as hearsay. Popehat asked, "Do they know how to authenticate a document?"

I think they just stipulated as against hearsay and arguably just for the purposes of the deposition.

Something Popehat didn't bother checking was why they aren't authenticated in the first place. Every single one of these items was something that should have been produced in response to the interrogatories served with the original complaint which they're also playing silly buggers about. They should have been authenticated because they should have been produced by the defendants in the first place and no legitimate objection was filed as to why they simply flat out refused.

Any costs for verifying this from third parties like Twitter will have to be paid by the defendants who refused to turn them over, citing no valid objections.
 
I just had a nasty thought regarding Lemonhead’s big surprise for next week, his harping on the GFM, and the nagging question of how the fuck they are paying for this all? Since many places (I don’t know Texas?) specifically outlaw lawyers using contingency fees for defendants in a situation like this. We can safely assume Lemonhead is going to drop his TCPA next week. He has to by Thursday. But is he scheming to drop some sort of shady countersuit?
He's going to get sick and fall into a coma again in a brilliant plan to get out of representing MoRonica to save his sanity.
 
I just had a nasty thought regarding Lemonhead’s big surprise for next week, his harping on the GFM, and the nagging question of how the fuck they are paying for this all? Since many places (I don’t know Texas?) specifically outlaw lawyers using contingency fees for defendants in a situation like this. We can safely assume Lemonhead is going to drop his TCPA next week. He has to by Thursday. But is he scheming to drop some sort of shady countersuit?
You are thinking of a counter suit against Nick? I assumed the TCPA was the thing he was talking about dropping next week. That he and the other lawyers on the defense haven't bothered to examine how GFM works and are harping on it seems like a long shot for them. I mean unless it is some crazy money laundering scheme.
 
I just had a nasty thought regarding Lemonhead’s big surprise for next week, his harping on the GFM, and the nagging question of how the fuck they are paying for this all? Since many places (I don’t know Texas?) specifically outlaw lawyers using contingency fees for defendants in a situation like this. We can safely assume Lemonhead is going to drop his TCPA next week. He has to by Thursday. But is he scheming to drop some sort of shady countersuit?
https://www.ns-law.net/Published-Articles/Information-about-contingency-fees-in-Texas.shtml Texas seems to allow contingency fees.
I think they'd try a countersuit under the grounds that the GFM breaks the limit law (w/e it's called) where large company's cannot exceed a limit of legal fees, I believe @AnOminous mentioned it last week.

Personally I believe their going to try and extend the TCPA tell after FUNI's TCPA using the fact they want Nicks depo for their TCPA just so they can put it in after the funi's TCPA because they know Nick will fight it thus making it at least 1-2 months longer.
Apart from that I can just see them throwing anything frivolous that would require a motion for it.
 
Having said this, I think Ty is the straightest shooter. If I had to trust someone to tell the truth, I'd hate it, but I'd pick him. I don't pick Nick. While I believe he tells the truth, I also think he simplifies legal issues too much. He acknowledges the other side's points, but IMO he comes down too hard on one side when it's often far more grey that he makes it appear. The POPEHAT wannabees, I don't trust at all. I can always predict that no matter what the facts say, they'll come down on the 4thelulz side of mocking Vic/Ty/Nick.
When it comes to honesty, I like Nick and Ty mainly because they have at least acknowledged the possibility of the case being lost (though stated it as low). They also have been reviewing public and private info for months. Compare that to law Twitter who says 100% TCPA will win, and will not review anything. No one should say any case is 100%, there is always a chance a jury or judge swings it one way or the other. Anyone saying that and not reviewing the background data on the situation should not be listened to.
 
I think they just stipulated as against hearsay and arguably just for the purposes of the deposition.

I realize you disagree, but in my view, based on the transcript, as I saw it on Nick's stream, those tweets can come into play as authenticated for any reason in this case now, including defending against the TCPA motion to dismiss and trial. We'll see how it goes down. Ty's entire purpose in getting them authenticated was to defend against an upcoming TCPA motion. And if they can come in for the TCPA motion, they can come in for trial.

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Casey didn't just stipulate as to Hearsay, the judge was clarifying that Casey was authenticating them for all purposes and wasn't withholding any objections back for the court to rule on later.

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And the judge confirms, do you have any objection to the authenticity of the tweets of any of the statements? Casey says, "no."

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I'll concede, I haven't seen the actual transcript. There may be something that changes what I believe is the case.
 
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I realize you disagree, but in my view, based on the transcript, as I saw it on Nick's stream, those tweets can come into play as authenticated for any reason in this case now, including defending against the TCPA motion to dismiss and trial. We'll see how it goes down. Ty's entire purpose in getting them authenticated was to defend against an upcoming TCPA motion. And if they can come in for the TCPA motion, they can come in for trial.

I'm still almost sure they'll pull some stunt along those lines and conceivably get away with it. A belt and suspenders approach would be to get them verified by third parties whenever possible, such as Twitter.
 
What this little POPEHAT snippet really illustrates is the bias the constellation of POPEHAT wannabes have toward Vic and Ty based on the initial "calling my client a piece of shit" is defamation statement (which I found funny, but not defamatory).

They're trying to win points and there are no points giving for acknowledging any strength of Vic or Ty's case. This might be the clearest example of that bias. It's clear from it that you can't take anything the twitter brigade says on face value.
This struck me, as well as reviewing the Waid case, is how without fail there's always a swarm of internet lawyers rushing to be the first to signal how hard they're part of the "in" crowd of anime/comics/nerd shit bugmen and landwhales. It's really fucking bizarre. I understand it when they go all in on "Drumpft is unconstitutional!" but it's so fucking strange to me they want to be very loud and clear about where they land on a legal slapfight between anime voice actors of all things. I get it's a legal thing, they're lawyers, so it's a spectator sport for them, it's the subjects OF the lawsuit and the spheres of fandom involved that make it weird.
 
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