Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

Trying to watch a bit more of last night Rekieta's stream and it really strikes me that this Soy-based human "couldn't wait to get to court" so he could say "I don't know, I'm not sure" about literally everything. Literally couldn't wait for "everything to come out in a proper venue" except he doesn't know anything and isn't sure about anything once we're here.

I'm betting a Texas jury won't find that suspicious or contradictory in the slightest, Soye 👌 good thing there's not hours of video of you engaging in said behavior even after the plaintiff's lawyer called you out on it huh?
 
Trying to watch a bit more of last night Rekieta's stream and it really strikes me that this Soy-based human "couldn't wait to get to court" so he could say "I don't know, I'm not sure" about literally everything. Literally couldn't wait for "everything to come out in a proper venue" except he doesn't know anything and isn't sure about anything once we're here.

I'm betting a Texas jury won't find that suspicious or contradictory in the slightest, Soye 👌 good thing there's not hours of video of you engaging in said behavior even after the plaintiff's lawyer called you out on it huh?
T h E T r u T h W I L l c O m E O u T I N c o U r T
Soye.jpg
 
I'm betting a Texas jury won't find that suspicious or contradictory in the slightest, Soye 👌 good thing there's not hours of video of you engaging in said behavior even after the plaintiff's lawyer called you out on it huh?

Vic's goal is to get to a jury and the judge is the gatekeeper. Once the case goes to the jury its an entirely different beast. In my experience, if a jury hates a particular party or witness, they will find a way to fuck him.

I remember one case when I was young. I couldn't see how I could lose. I had the law on my side and the facts on my side. Not a slam dunk, but not close either. Twenty-four fucking days of trial and the jury hating my client every second of every minute of every hour of every one of those days. Client fired me and got the verdict reversed on appeal. He lost the second time too. Juries hated him.

Texas juries are more conservative and award healthier verdicts than other parts of the country. Mind you, my view of Texas juries is almost thirty years out of date. I operated in the Joe Jamail era of rambo litigation.

Once anecdote I liked to tell was about a man asked during voire dire in a Houston murder trial. The prosecutor wanted to make sure he didn't have any religious conviction against granting the death penalty if the evidence warranted it.

So, he asked, if the evidence supports it, would you be willing to put this defendant to death?

The guy thought for a moment and said, "They do those executions down in Huntsville right?"

The prosecutor was confused, but nodded. "Yes."

The guy said, "If it was a Saturday, I could drive down there and put him down. Might need gas money though."


Sorry, my point is thirty years ago and most likely today, Texas juries don't think like liberal California or New York. They aren't going to like seeing a man's life destroyed. Monica and Ron's best bet is to get younger jurors and mostly younger female jurors. They need to try for a more educated jury. Maybe then, they'll have a chance if this goes to trial.
 
How much prep do you think Casey did with Soye?

I'm hard pressed to come up with any way that he could've come across as more smug and uncharacteristic, and I really can't imagine his attitude will play well. Is there any way he could be made more palatable to a Texas jury?
 
Last edited:
How much prep do you think Casey did with Soye?

I'm hard pressed to come up with any way that he could've come across as more smug and uncharacteristic, and I really can't imagine his attitude will play well. Is there any way he could be made more palatable to a Texas jury?

To answer your first question, not enough. For your second, I'd say "possibly, but it would involve lying and throwing Funimation under the bus."
 
How much prep do you think Casey did with Soye?
I think at least 10 hours, most of which were filled with Ron being stupid.
I imagine it went something like this:
Casey: Alright, let's ask a few questions and I'll guide you through how to answer them.
Ron: Cool.
Casey: How long have you known Vic Mignogna?
Ron: Vic is a monster who needs to be put down!
Casey: That wasn't what I asked. How long have you known Vic?
Ron: It doesn't matter how long I've known him, he's a rapist!
Casey: Ron, please work with me here, we need to make sure you get through this if we want to win.
Ron: Okay, cool. I can do that.
Casey: Let's try another question, shall we? Have you made any tweets about Vic since the lawsuit started?
Ron: Yes, he must be destroyed, so I can't stop now. He deserves everything he's getting.
Casey: ...
Ron: What?
Casey: Ron, for the love of god, please, just say you don't remember no matter what they ask.
 
Sorry, my point is thirty years ago and most likely today, Texas juries don't think like liberal California or New York. They aren't going to like seeing a man's life destroyed. Monica and Ron's best bet is to get younger jurors and mostly younger female jurors. They need to try for a more educated jury. Maybe then, they'll have a chance if this goes to trial.
Agree with everything you said but here I don't see how an educated jury would help him. In fact, I don't think a younger jury would do them that much of a favor either, given it's Texas.
Depends entirely what part of Texas we're talking about though, some areas may as well be Mexico or California now.
 
Sorry, my point is thirty years ago and most likely today, Texas juries don't think like liberal California or New York. They aren't going to like seeing a man's life destroyed. Monica and Ron's best bet is to get younger jurors and mostly younger female jurors. They need to try for a more educated jury. Maybe then, they'll have a chance if this goes to trial.

Tbh, I can actually see a female jury being even less sympathetic to Ron Soye. I think they would find him as utterly repulsive as his ex-wife found him, and find Vic darling and adorable.
 
This means Popehat has no idea what went down in Ron's deposition.
As he said, he had the stream muted. Good luck getting ANY of these chucklefucks to admit to viewing Soye's deposition, because it's just that damning to their narrative.

What's the latin for "nyah nyah, I can't hear you, I'm not listening"?
 
Tbh, I can actually see a female jury being even less sympathetic to Ron Soye. I think they would find him as utterly repulsive as his ex-wife found him, and find Vic darling and adorable.
Yeah it definitely depends on the type of women. Rabid harpies love weak soyaddled men like Ron because they're easy to control and manipulate, but regular women would be more drawn to the Chad energy radiating Vic who doesn't look like a pedophile. (Allegedly!)
 
I think at least 10 hours, most of which were filled with Ron being stupid.
I imagine it went something like this:
Kind of surprising that Casey even got Ron to agree to "I don't remember" considering he does the opposite of what he should be told.
 
Kind of surprising that Casey even got Ron to agree to "I don't remember" considering he does the opposite of what he should be told.
Plot twist: Casey had actually told Ron to acknowledge what BHBH already has like the tweets and the articles, but Ron thought he'd stay one step ahead and give himself temporary selective amnesia.
 
Kind of surprising that Casey even got Ron to agree to "I don't remember" considering he does the opposite of what he should be told.
Let's face it, Ron is an idiot. I think he actually believes the nonsense he's saying. Casey getting him to stop and agree to "not remember anything" is as easy as Casey saying "that would win them the case because then things can't be twisted against them". Ron would believe it and he won't say anything. It would have worked, except he STILL failed to not say anything because Ty kept annoying him to the point that Ron still spilled the beans on various things just like he did on Twitter several times. He can't shut up even when he tries to.
 
The Funimation motion is going to be tough. Unlike the other defendants, Funimation left a shorter slime trail.

Well written post, but I would argue that their Anti-SLAPP motion has actually diminished the strength of their overall position. Their inarticulate defense of the "Vic's fired" tweets basically put them in a position where they are kinda chained to Monica much more than was necessary or wise.

Tbh, I can actually see a female jury being even less sympathetic to Ron Soye. I think they would find him as utterly repulsive as his ex-wife found him, and find Vic darling and adorable.
Agreed, Soye only appeals to BPD bitches like Monica who want a minion they can cuck and send out to white knight for them. Any normal woman would be repulsed by Ron, he gives off male feminist serial rapist vibes so hard they travel through lead foil, lol.
 
How to Raise a Prima Facie Issue Re: Actual Malice

I see statements like this by twitter lawyers,

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1149557557662375936

Basically, they seem to take the position that “actual malice” is practically an impossible burden to get past. It’s a common position by the “nothing is defamation” defense bar. You also see it when you read articles on the Rolling Stone Rape case where Nicole Eramo sued Rolling Stone for defamation—before the case went to trial and she kicked Rolling Stone’s ass and won a multi-million dollar judgment—you see a lot of “well, she’s not going to be able to get past the “actual malice” hurdle. You saw the same think when Hulk Hogan sued Gawker. In both cases, the plaintiffs got past the actual malice hurdle and won big judgments.

I don’t know if Vic can win his lawsuit. But in scoring this case, it’s probably helpful to get a sense of what you need to show to raise a prima facie case of actual malice (vice just relying on doucette’s parroting of got to show actual malice and that’s not like real malice, yada yada yada. While actual malice isn’t the same as ordinary malice, it’s not as far removed as you might think.

Actual malice is a matter of constitutional law, so you can (and Texas courts do) rely on cases from other jurisdictions that have grappled with this issue. In this post, I look at federal and US Supreme Court cases, California cases, and Texas cases. Each can be distinguished, but I think they’ll give a sense of what Vic needs to show and help you understand why “Yes, Virginia, Ron’s deposition did hurt him.”

You start with the United States Supreme Court’s declaration that the “existence of actual malice may be shown in many ways, as long as the claim is properly supported by admissible evidence. Malice may be proved through any competent evidence, either direct or circumstantial. All of the relevant circumstances surrounding the transaction may be shown, provided they are not too remote, including threats, other defamatory statements, subsequent statements made by the defendant, any circumstances that indicate the existence of rivalry, ill will, or hostility between the parties, and facts that tend to show a reckless disregard of the plaintiff's rights on the part of the defendant.” Herbert v. Lando, 441 U.S. 153, 164 fn. 12 (1979). Notice, you can show a reckless disregard for the truth by putting evidence of rivalry, ill will, or hostility. I would argue that ample evidence exists of rivalry, ill will, and hostility toward Vic on the part of “I want his balls” Marchie, Ron the ____, and his paramour Monica.

In a California case, the court upheld a trial court’s conclusion that malice could be inferred “where, for example, a story is fabricated by the defendant, is the product of his imagination, or is based wholly on an unverified anonymous telephone call.” Nguyen-Lam v. Cao, 171 Cal. App. 4th 858, 869 (2009) (citing Christian Research Institute v. Alnor, 148 Cal. App. 4th 71, 85, 55 Cal. Rptr. 3d 600 (2007). Look at Ron’s deposition responses and I see a total reliance on unverified third-party information, if not outright imaginative fabrication.

Doucette, et al., will constantly point out that actual malice doesn’t mean malice. But the truth is that a court can look at “… anger and hostility toward the plaintiff ...” and “in an appropriate case, [infer] that the publisher himself had serious doubts regarding the truth of his publication ….” Christian Research Institute v. Alnor, 148 Cal.App.4th 71, 84–85 (2007). For example, “…an engineer's motive of wanting to suppress the making of a film and his anger with the film's producer “sufficient evidence from which the jury could have found that [the engineer] knew [his libelous statement about the producer] was false, or was recklessly indifferent as to whether his statement was accurate or not”)). Widener v. Pacific Gas & Elec. Co.,75 Cal.App.3d 415, 436 (1977). In Ron, I see a man who is angry and hostile toward Vic, a man who didn’t give a damn whether his statements were accurate or not. There’s a lot of ammunition that can go toward raising a prima facie case of actual malice in Ron’s total failure to look into whether his statements were true. A perhaps better example can be found in the the California Supreme Court case where it found that the evidence supported a finding of actual malice where a newspaper defamation defendant relied on a third-party source without interviewing a key witness or listening to a tape recording provided by the defamation plaintiff. Harte–Hanks Commc'ns, Inc. v. Connaughton, 105 L.Ed.2d 562, 692 (1989). It’s pretty clear Ron didn’t go out and talk to anyone he was quoting or whose stories he was embellishing.

Also, it’s pretty clear that Ron lied about the source of his defamatory statements on multiple occasions (there were a ton of investigations). A court found that lying about the source of information can be evidence of actual malice from which a reasonable jury could find that (i) defendant misrepresented his investigation and sources of information and (ii) defendant had some motive not to probe into the truth regarding the alleged defamatory statement. From this, a reasonable juror could conclude that defendant was not honest when he testified about the sources of his information. This is some evidence of actual malice. See Zerangue v. TSP Newspapers, Inc., 814 F.2d 1066, 1070–71 (5th Cir. 1987) (courts have upheld actual malice findings when “the supposed source of the story disclaimed giving the information”); see also Celle v. Filipino Reporter Enter., Inc., 209 F.3d 163, 190 (2d Cir. 2000) (defendant’s self-contradictory testimony about the source of his information supported actual malice finding). Tatum v. The Dallas Morning News, 493 S.W.3d 646 (2015).

The court does not have to only look at what Ron said (believed everything I said), but it can infer actual malice “from the relation of the parties, the circumstances attending the publication, the terms of the publication itself, and from the defendant’s words or acts before, at, or after the time of the communication.” Dolcefino v. Turner, 987 S.W.2d 100, 111-12 (1998). And while the fact that Ron didn’t bother to confirm his facts alone might not be actual malice, but they are factors to be thrown into the mill: “A lack of care or an injurious motive in making a statement is not alone proof of actual malice, but care and motive are factors to be considered. An understandable misinterpretation of ambiguous facts does not show actual malice, but inherently improbable assertions and statements made on information that is obviously dubious may show actual malice. A failure to investigate fully is not evidence of actual malice; a purposeful avoidance of the truth is. Imagining that something may be true is not the same as belief.” Bentley v. Bunton, 94 S.W.3d 561, 596 (2002).

There’s a Texas case where the deponent couldn’t remember much about what she said or did. It didn’t help her when it came to fighting against a showing of actual malice. In a long list of facts, the Court noted the following “At her deposition, McKernan testified that she could not remember whether she had done anything to investigate Watson, including whether she had asked him what he did for a living, whether she had asked him if he ever had any criminal problems, or whether she had Googled his name. She further testified that she did not recall or know of anyone else at TMZ investigating Watson or his background. Later in her deposition, she testified that “[j]ail records are sometimes public record” and that she might have looked up whether Jones was in jail before the article was published.” It found sufficient evidence of actual malice to survive an anti-SLAPP motion. Warner Bros Entertainment, Inc., v. Jones 538 S.W.3d 781 (2017).

In closing, Doucette is right that actual malice requires knowing something is false or a reckless disregard for the truth. He and others are also right in stating that this can be a tough hurdle. But in this case, there’s a wide variety of evidence that can be used to show actual malice and Ron and Monica have left a long slimy trail that can be laid out by Ty when it comes time to oppose their anti-SLAPP. While I don't know how the court will rule on these future motions, I think anyone who tries to tell you Ron and Monica have this in the bag are either lying, ignorant, or haven't examined the evidence.

The Funimation motion is going to be tough. Unlike the other defendants, Funimation left a shorter slime trail.
The thing to remember about couchette is he is a fucking terrible lawyer and is in fact a Lolyer.
He touts himself as s first amendment expert and can’t even win his first amendment cases.

He, much like the other twitter Lolyers, get off from the fact they are arguing with non lawyers and can pretend to win. When faced with real lawyers counters they will just plug their ears and hope their interpretations come off as better, but we have clearly seen that they are all wrong, if anyone were to cite these cases to them at face value they would still find a way to pretend they’re right and answer with a shitty out somewhere on the region of “I would disagree and I would try to get that overturned” blah blah blah

As stupid as Nicks opinion can be regarding certain federal issues, he is at the top tier of lawyers you would want in your corner in civil litigation.

Never hire a super lawyer, even the ones on shitty tv commercials for injury law will never take the title of super lawyer.
 
When it comes to Funimation, can Ty still depose them for information on the investigation? I don't see anything about them providing any documents on the investigation and would think that could be a key factor toward overcoming tcpa. I suppose they could include info from Ron and Monica depos to show conflicting information or to show that it was taken as meaning Vic was a sexual predator.

Also anyone know when we will know for sure if Vic is considered a public figure. I know they are preparing as if he is, but wasn't sure at what point his status becomes fact.

I think a big part of what will factor into the argument from BHBH is the extent to which Funimation properly followed procedures for their investigation. They didn't produce any document to show that they actually did and I recall someone (may have been Nick) said that they may not have even interviewed Vic to get a statement from him. Tie that it with the excellent post by @Skeptical Idiot that showed a case where it was sufficient for a party to have been negligent in verifying the truth to constitute malice and they may have a good enough argument on that face to go forward.

All of the tweets from Ron that were authenticated by Casey could also be used to cast enough doubt on any claims by Funimation as well which could be resolved by further discovery and Funimation actually producing the HR investigation report.

Tbh, I can actually see a female jury being even less sympathetic to Ron Soye. I think they would find him as utterly repulsive as his ex-wife found him, and find Vic darling and adorable.

No jury will be sympathetic to Ron. I think it's a little overlooked in the titanic mess that was Ron's deposition, but he admitted that the reason he got divorced is because "I was an asshole" which isn't going to play particularly well. I don't even know if Ty will need to trot it out though because anyone with two functioning brain cells will be able to figure out that Ron's an asshole within two minutes of seeing him.

However, a female jury might be more sympathetic towards Monica and Jamie, but women can hate other women far more than men can so depending on what they have going in to a jury trial, they might feel more inclined to put certain women on the jury. I think that BHBH having the Amazons to help with the selection process would benefit them greatly and pick the kind of women that are likely to find Monica and Jamie repulsive. It's in a county that leans Republican anyway so they could probably just do anything as simple as tossing any fat women with blue hair and they'd be fine.
 
Back