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[Immaculate Ape]

I'm sure this has already been brought up before, but what exactly is the deal with this supposed assault on Monica by Vic? I was watching part 2 of ...Soye's "deposition", and he essentially said the story was that Vic invited her to his room (or a room, so I presume this was at a hotel or apartment of some sort), threw her (somehow) to the bed, but then some guy named Stan "saved" her. Like...wtf. Not only in this the first time I heard of even this allegation in some detail, but

1) Who the hek is Stan?
2) Why hasn't Stan come forward to confirm (or maybe even deny) anything?
3) Why would Monica not have pressed charges against Vic then and there considering the way her fiance described the story, it sounds almost like attempted rape especially when he specifically added the word "saved"?

Stan has already come out on twitter saying he doesn't know what Monica is talking about and that nobody told him about the lawsuit and the fact that he was being used as a witness.

 

[ZombiU&Me]

I'm calling it at this point: These people have full-blown Rekieta Derangement Syndrome. No matter what Nick says or does the opposite must be true.

If Nick thinks Ron came across as a slimy, defensive, flippant, poorly prepared, unlikable cunt who stuck to one of the most transparent gameplans in history (likely written out in crayon on Denny's napkin) to a fault. Well that must mean Ron knocked it out of the park!

But god forbid Vic with his icky penis wants to have consensual sex with a woman and admits that he has not lived up to his Christian values with his philandering ways. I have news for these clowns, there is nothing that makes a conservative Christian jury more sympathetic to someone than that person saying they aren't perfect and have not lived up to their Christian values. There is no stopping this Vic freight train if it ever gets to a jury which is why they are going all out right now to stop that from happening.

Let's not forget something Nick brought up a while ago. If you showed a Texas Jury a clip of Highschool DxD and said Funimation distributed it in the west would they like that? I know they won't but it makes Funi look worse than Vic cheating on a woman he wasn't technically married to.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I'm sure this has already been brought up before, but what exactly is the deal with this supposed assault on Monica by Vic? I was watching part 2 of ...Soye's "deposition", and he essentially said the story was that Vic invited her to his room (or a room, so I presume this was at a hotel or apartment of some sort), threw her (somehow) to the bed, but then some guy named Stan "saved" her. Like...wtf. Not only in this the first time I heard of even this allegation in some detail, but

1) Who the hek is Stan?
2) Why hasn't Stan come forward to confirm (or maybe even deny) anything?
3) Why would Monica not have pressed charges against Vic then and there considering the way her fiance described the story, it sounds almost like attempted rape especially when he specifically added the word "saved"?

1. Stan Dahlin, who apparently has no idea why he was mentioned in legal papers. Make of that what you will.
2. Beard may already be in touch with him.
3. Because she's more than likely a liar, altogether, that doesn't live in the world where we live, where we generally call the police when crimes are committed because the person who did the crime is not only a personal menace but a menace to society as a whole.

The better question is why Monica never included her own account in her response to Plaintiff's original pleading but included links to a now-defunct Tumblr and a Vic-related thread from a website called Pretty Ugly Little Liars.

 

[Scuttle]

I'm sure this has already been brought up before, but what exactly is the deal with this supposed assault on Monica by Vic? I was watching part 2 of ...Soye's "deposition", and he essentially said the story was that Vic invited her to his room (or a room, so I presume this was at a hotel or apartment of some sort), threw her (somehow) to the bed, but then some guy named Stan "saved" her. Like...wtf. Not only in this the first time I heard of even this allegation in some detail, but

1) Who the hek is Stan?
2) Why hasn't Stan come forward to confirm (or maybe even deny) anything?
3) Why would Monica not have pressed charges against Vic then and there considering the way her fiance described the story, it sounds almost like attempted rape especially when he specifically added the word "saved"?

Stan was in charge of deciding what guests got invited to conventions he worked in for a time.

Over the last couple of days he has stated that he's got no idea what Monica is referring to, that Vic was never blacklisted before or after this (which you'd expect him to do if he'd just inadvertently stopped a rape by sheer timing.)

The worst part is that both Ronica and Funimation have named him directly as evidence to the story. I don't think their problems get much bigger than that considering its the only remotely credible story of the 3.

 

[verissimus]

Stan has already come out on twitter saying he doesn't know what Monica is talking about and that nobody told him about the lawsuit and the fact that he was being used as a witness.

... color me shocked...so in other words

1) Soye : Stan "saved" Monica ...lie
2) Soye : there are hundreds of women out there that could testify against what Vic did to them
Also Soye : the women who testified against Vic did so through social media
Also Soye, round 2 : I don't know if the women online are real or not
Also Soye, round 3 : I don't believe every allegation made online...

 

[RodgerDodger]

That mentality kills me. I heard a clip from the quartering saying something similiar. Those on kickvick tout how Ty got nothing ABSOLUTELY nothing, from ron. Those on Vic's side or sympathy towards it, think Ty should have nailed Ron down to yes or no. People believe that Ron's "I don't know" x4800 is somehow a breaker for either side.

It really comes down to 2 things.
1) Can Ron now testify how he felt when he typed those tweets.(malice)

Nope he can't recall.

2) The jury that will be looking for rope watching this deposition, will have to determine if Ron is a snake.

They will have compared Vics actual answers and reasonable response to I do not recall . The rope will have a new use.

It’s even better. Ron’s not going to be able to address those tweets at all. He can’t add context to them, or attempt to frame them as satire, hyperbole or opinion. Because any answer in court that isn’t I don’t remember is perjury. And the jury gets instructed to disregard anything out of this lying liars mouth. Essentially Ron’s stunt pretty much means that Ty gets to enter Ron’s tweets and dm’s Into the record as authenticated and frame them as he wishes unchallenged.

Ron’s Play has the potential to keep all of the salacious “victims” stories out of court altogether, save the ones directly attributed to the Funi report. All the victims are there not to prosecute Vic, but to prove that RonRon Monica and Marchi’s defamatory claims are truthful. But RonRon can’t remember anything about the tweets under oath. The Tweets are no longer facts in contention.

I remain puzzled as to why the defense thought putting Ron under oath before dropping the TCPA was a good idea?

 

[PrinceofAllCucks]

The worst part is that both Ronica and Funimation have named him directly as evidence to the story. I don't think their problems get much bigger than that considering its the only remotely credible story of the 3.

If you're referring to the investigation, that accusation was never investigated by Tammi. Only the 3 accusations from the twins, Bachmeyer and Monica's jellybean story.

 

[Eyeshield]

I'm sure this has already been brought up before, but what exactly is the deal with this supposed assault on Monica by Vic? I was watching part 2 of ...Soye's "deposition", and he essentially said the story was that Vic invited her to his room (or a room, so I presume this was at a hotel or apartment of some sort), threw her (somehow) to the bed, but then some guy named Stan "saved" her. Like...wtf. Not only in this the first time I heard of even this allegation in some detail, but

1) Who the hek is Stan?
2) Why hasn't Stan come forward to confirm (or maybe even deny) anything?
3) Why would Monica not have pressed charges against Vic then and there considering the way her fiance described the story, it sounds almost like attempted rape especially when he specifically added the word "saved"?

Adding to this, he's confirmed that he's never "blacklisted" Vic out of anything and certainly wasn't alarmed by him, and IIRC he also asked the pertinent question of why the hell nobody reported Vic if he was so out of line.

 

[Scuttle]

If you're referring to the investigation, that accusation was never investigated by Tammi. Only the 3 accusations from the twins, Bachmeyer and Monica's jellybean story.

Yes, thank you for the correction.

For some reason I consider the twins, jellybean, and savior stan to be the three stories because they're the three most prevalent.

 

[PrinceofAllCucks]

Yes, thank you for the correction.

For some reason I consider the twins, jellybean, and savior stan to be the three stories because they're the three most prevalent.

That's essentially what they were hoping would happen. "Disregard the Jellybean and look at my fanfiction."

 

[TheClappening]

Because Funimation is hideously cheap and won't spend the $1.50 they would have to converting a random Dallas Crack House into a recording studio and instead are held hostage by the human meatball.

Funi does have its own in-house recording studio.

The worst part is that both Ronica and Funimation have named him directly as evidence to the story. I don't think their problems get much bigger than that considering its the only remotely credible story of the 3.

The Monica hotel room story isn't even one of the three that Denbow "investigated". She only heard of the jellybean the story, the Yost twins story, and the Bachmeyer kiss story. Well, I guess there's the fourth former-Funimation employee story that was never elaborated on or presumably investigated.

But in any case, the only investigation that the Monica kiss story had was over Twitter.

Edit: Cougar'd by the prince of Rons

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Yes, thank you for the correction.

For some reason I consider the twins, jellybean, and savior stan to be the three stories because they're the three most prevalent.

Damn, Monica. Imagine not including the "almost being raped in a hotel room!" story as one of the three you provided to Sony to investigate, but you try to use that as damning evidence in court. How embarrassing.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Funi does have its own in-house recording studio.

It has an internal cupboard to cover any fuckups Sabat makes. Its really not sufficient for a proper recording session.

 

[SpiceWeasel21]

Lemoine tried to do the exact same to Vic for hours. The most aggressive Vic got was an open palmed, hand down gesture towards him which Lemoine immediately acquiesced to and basically handed control of the deposition to Vic in the process.

What was most fascinating to me about Vic's depo was how he never broke eye contact with his inquisitor. I also thought it absolutely brilliant when Vic called lemonade stand by name a couple times when giving his answers. I truly don't think 'ol lemon party was prepared for how Vic was going to react.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I'm calling it at this point: These people have full-blown Rekieta Derangement Syndrome. No matter what Nick says or does the opposite must be true.

If Nick thinks Ron came across as a slimy, defensive, flippant, poorly prepared, unlikable cunt who stuck to one of the most transparent gameplans in history (likely written out in crayon on Denny's napkin) to a fault. Well that must mean Ron knocked it out of the park!

But god forbid Vic with his icky penis wants to have consensual sex with a woman and admits that he has not lived up to his Christian values with his philandering ways. I have news for these clowns, there is nothing that makes a conservative Christian jury more sympathetic to someone than that person saying they aren't perfect and have not lived up to their Christian values. There is no stopping this Vic freight train if it ever gets to a jury which is why they are going all out right now to stop that from happening.

I would advise some caution and that everyone maintain realistic expectations. Not everything about Vic will play well to a Texas Christian Jury. The desiredthreesome with a pair of nubile barely legal costhot twin sisters is definitely pushing the envelope for the church ladies. But with that said they will absolutely loathe Ron. One good method of attack there would be to bring up Ron’s creepy and questionable relationship with the twins. Including all the “you’re so beautiful” messages on the previously Not revealed in discovery @rontoye3 account. One of these girls was a workplace direct report for Ron unless I am mistaken?

I'm sure this has already been brought up before, but what exactly is the deal with this supposed assault on Monica by Vic? I was watching part 2 of ...Soye's "deposition", and he essentially said the story was that Vic invited her to his room (or a room, so I presume this was at a hotel or apartment of some sort), threw her (somehow) to the bed, but then some guy named Stan "saved" her. Like...wtf. Not only in this the first time I heard of even this allegation in some detail, but

1) Who the hek is Stan?
2) Why hasn't Stan come forward to confirm (or maybe even deny) anything?
3) Why would Monica not have pressed charges against Vic then and there considering the way her fiance described the story, it sounds almost like attempted rape especially when he specifically added the word "saved"?

Stan just discovered he was named in court documents a few days ago. It’s pretty apparent that he is pissed about it, and he clearly is not backing up Monica’s story. Quite the opposite. They named his as a corroborating witness to their best most shocking accusation without ever bothering to check with him as to what he witnessed. Given that he was named by Funi, and was supposedly used or taken by Funi as proof of Monica’s claims, it’s rather remarkable that neither Denbow, nor Casey and company thought to talk to him. Gee won’t that play well in Funimations TCPA hearing?

 

[I can't imagine]

I heard the first two only applied to idols... it applies to celebrities in general in japan? interesting. that makes Soyny/Funi's situation/relationship with Toei even worse.

There's a fair amount of crossover between idols and voice actors, both in terms of actual idol singers being used as VAs and in terms of VAs being marketed in a similar manner. Probably the most famous example of this is Aya Hirano (aka the voice of Haruhi Suzumiya and Lucy Heartfilia, among other roles), who was dropped by her record label due to a sex scandal involving members of her band. While she still has continued to voice act (and maintains the high profile roles she had before the scandal), the roles she's taken since then have mostly been supporting characters.

 

[Scuttle]

I think the most infuriating aspect of all this is people's wilful ignorance.

Twins who befriended Monica Rial in 2012, years after Vic's alleged misconduct, and years before they stopped interacting with him, who decided to live with Toye and Rial, one of whom was offered a job at Toye's place of work, and both of whom come forward in unison with those same people with a nebulous allegation to prompt an investigation?

According to KV, absolutely none of that is even remotely fishy. What IS fishy to them, though, is Vic suggesting people may lie for attention.

I thought months ago 'There's no way this can get any more ridiculous' but I've started going to sleep every night wondering if I'm in the Twilight Zone.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

What was most fascinating to me about Vic's depo was how he never broke eye contact with his inquisitor. I also thought it absolutely brilliant when Vic called lemonade stand by name a couple times when giving his answers. I truly don't think 'ol lemon party was prepared for how Vic was going to react.

I did a bit of a read on Vic's body lingo. He holds his gaze with Lemoiney mostly to try and read his lips to understand his raspy ass voice. The moment he understands the question his eyes begin to rove about quite naturally which is what people do when talking, even when focused on someone.

 

[7proxy]

Damn, Monica. Imagine not including the "almost being raped in a hotel room!" story as one of the three you provided to Sony to investigate, but you try to use that as damning evidence in court. How embarrassing.

Here's the thing though: I don't remember seeing any evidence about this investigation. Do we know that it's not in the Sony investigation? If you assume the worst, Denbow could have called Vic and talked to him about his favorite brand of Jelly Beans, thanked him for his cooperation then logged into her report how apologetic he was on the phone about all the rapes and kidnappings he committed. It's possible that everyone at Sony excluding Denbow honestly believe that Vic is that horrible person that deserved to be fired.

 

[TheClappening]

Here's the thing though: I don't remember seeing any evidence about this investigation. Do we know that it's not in the Sony investigation? If you assume the worst, Denbow could have called Vic and talked to him about his favorite brand of Jelly Beans, thanked him for his cooperation then logged into her report how apologetic he was on the phone about all the rapes and kidnappings he committed. It's possible that everyone at Sony excluding Denbow honestly believe that Vic is that horrible person that deserved to be fired.

It was in Denbow's affidavit. Funimation's TCPA, Exhibit B