Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Immaculate Ape]

Here's the thing though: I don't remember seeing any evidence about this investigation. Do we know that it's not in the Sony investigation? If you assume the worst, Denbow could have called Vic and talked to him about his favorite brand of Jelly Beans, thanked him for his cooperation then logged into her report how apologetic he was on the phone about all the rapes and kidnappings he committed. It's possible that everyone at Sony excluding Denbow honestly believe that Vic is that horrible person that deserved to be fired.

Denbow mentioned it in her affidavit IIRC

Edit: Late and cougar'd

 

[troondetector]

I would advise some caution and that everyone maintain realistic expectations. Not everything about Vic will play well to a Texas Christian Jury. The desiredthreesome with a pair of nubile barely legal costhot twin sisters is definitely pushing the envelope for the church ladies. But with that said they will absolutely loathe Ron. One good method of attack there would be to bring up Ron’s creepy and questionable relationship with the twins. Including all the “you’re so beautiful” messages on the previously I revealed in discovery @rontoye3 account. One of these girls was a workplace direct report for Ron unless I am mistaken?

People's perceptions are warped by who they like the most. If they don't like Vic, he'll be a no good predator luring young girls up to his room. If they DO like Vic, and I suspect most older women will (its a hair thing) they're going to see those two girls as slutty temptresses who balked when things got real. They will have no sympathy for the notion that those girls showed up to his panels, sat in the front row, flirted with him, and then magically thought they were going to his hotel room for a friendly chat. Considering both parties claim no sex happened because the girls did not consent, he might even come out of it looking more favorable. They will probably know first hand there's plenty of dudes out there that wouldn't take no for an answer in that situation. No joke, the first people to 'slut shame' and do so the most extreme are other women. Honestly it will likely depend on if they have sons, daughters, both, no children, and/or if they think Vic is good looking.

Its part of the reason we don't seriously punish hot female teachers who sleep with their preteen-teen male students. For a lot of guys there's a bit of jealousy involved in that scenario.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

Which makes their political edits to lesser dubs that much cuntier. Funi wouldn't dare to co-opt or re-write One Piece for propaganda cause they'd for sure lose that sweet cash. Yet when it comes to the smaller shows they feel completely safe in butchering the original Japanese creator's work against his knowledge. Unfortunately for us, even if Soyny cleans house, the commiefornia-based company will just replace the likes of Rial with millennial hipsters who may be Even Worse....

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As much as Jamie Marchi is a shitheel, Hajimete no Gal as a whole is a terrible adaptation of the manga/isn't a paragon of quality. No one really cares about shitty localization for shovelware. Its why nowadays people only cared about 4Kids butchering kids card games to the death and pirate anime with bad pacing, because they had genuine merit to care about (Sonic X and Tokyo Mew Mew were always bad). Maidragon's "patriarchy" bullshit and Prison School's "GG creepshow" nonsense had more value because they were actually decent to good shows.

 

[AnOminous]

I feel like I'm way behind, where was it confirmed that he hired escorts? Was it from the Saturday stream?

He admitted he'd done it once in deposition and that he'd gone against his beliefs when he did.

If the defense tries to bring that up, the real implication isn't that he's terrible for doing that, what it really shows is that he would admit to something true in deposition, even when there was no way they'd ever find out about it if he lied, and even if it hurt his case. It shows candor.

Well Sabat is a higher-up inFuni. If the DB dubbing rights go to any other place, I'd doubt he'd be able to hold out his power like befor

If Toei cuts ties with Funi everyone will know it's because of Sabat and that Sabat is a worthless fuck who devastated his previous employer. If that happens, Sabat's name is mud.

1) Can Ron now testify how he felt when he typed those tweets.(malice)

Nope he can't recall.

Something these dumb mothers don't understand is that civil cases are based on preponderance of evidence, and in this case, the plaintiff is going to argue that there was actual malice involved here, a recklessly negligent state of mind, and has excellent contextual evidence of that.

The only real defense to that is testimony from the defendants showing otherwise and for that, Ron would have to testify to his state of mind at the time.

Now he can't do that at all. Anything he tries to claim that he makes up now, after the fact, his deposition will be played to the jury, and they'll know it's bullshit. How can he know what his state of mind was when he wrote these things when he claims he doesn't even remember writing them?

That's assuming he's allowed to testify on the subject at all. Sanctions for his deposition misconduct could include striking that affirmative defense so without that defense, his testimony would be irrelevant anyway.

 

[Immortal Technique]

You got to see the "real" Toye when he was jabbing the table with his one finger, his teeth bared on display as he nodded massively while ranting about his "Personal Fiance" while staring at Ty with fury and hatred. He comes across as aggressive, angry, very rude. He leans forward, narrows his (already squinty) eyes and jabs a lot to try and make his point. Ty continued to hammer home the questions.

That portion of Soye's depo reminded me a lot of the Bundy interview.

A lying fuck getting upset no one is believing his lies.

 

[Not A Bug]

I bet they're going to wish they had gotten married back in December before this whole thing ends.

Or not.

 

[TexOffender]

That portion of Soye's depo reminded me a lot of the Bundy interview.
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A lying fuck getting upset no one is believing his lies.

That can be said of a lot of the REE-patrol. The more stuff doesn't go their way, the more they screech.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I would advise some caution and that everyone maintain realistic expectations. Not everything about Vic will play well to a Texas Christian Jury. The desiredthreesome with a pair of nubile barely legal costhot twin sisters is definitely pushing the envelope for the church ladies.

I can't recall if I've already said this, but I think the "conservative Christian" thing is being overplayed in commentary. He's not in court because he was accused of sexual indiscretions, said accusations leading to harm-- he's in court because he was accused of being everything up to and including an actual rapist. There's a world of difference between wanting to have sex and then not having sex because one of the parties wasn't okay with the propositions, and trying to rape someone. The disparity could not possibly be lost on anyone aside from those whose hair dyes have successfully penetrated the blood-brain barrier.

 

[Hexadecimal]

I can't recall if I've already said this, but I think the "conservative Christian" thing is being overplayed in commentary. He's not in court because he was accused of sexual indiscretions, said accusations leading to harm-- he's in court because he was accused of being everything up to and including an actual rapist. There's a world of difference between wanting to have sex and then not having sex because one of the parties wasn't okay with the propositions, and trying to rape someone. The disparity could not possibly be lost on anyone aside from those whose hair dyes have successfully penetrated the blood-brain barrier.

Was about to post something to this effect. Fort Worth (Tarrant County) is more conservative than Dallas, but Texas major cities aren't anywhere near as 'Red' as Midland etc.

 

[I can't imagine]

Something these dumb mothers don't understand is that civil cases are based on preponderance of evidence, and in this case, the plaintiff is going to argue that there was actual malice involved here, a recklessly negligent state of mind, and has excellent contextual evidence of that.

The only real defense to that is testimony from the defendants showing otherwise and for that, Ron would have to testify to his state of mind at the time.

Now he can't do that at all. Anything he tries to claim that he makes up now, after the fact, his deposition will be played to the jury, and they'll know it's bullshit. How can he know what his state of mind was when he wrote these things when he claims he doesn't even remember writing them?

That's assuming he's allowed to testify on the subject at all. Sanctions for his deposition misconduct could include striking that affirmative defense so without that defense, his testimony would be irrelevant anyway.

I suppose he could claim a sudden recollection of the tweets, though I can't imagine any juror finding that credible given the deposition. That sorta leaves you with the question: "Why would they even go with the 'I don't recall' strategy?" Pretty much any defense I can think of (even incredibly dubious ones like "he was exaggerating for effect") would kinda hinge on him being able to explain his tweets.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

Or not.

I was merely referring to spousal privilege, of course no one would want to marry Toye for any other conceivable reason. He's a nasty little weasel.

 

[Reverend]

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say Vic probably fucked all these women. He said in his deposition "Everything was consensual". I'll put dollars to donuts all these women didn't know they were getting railed by Vic at the same time, or one at a time, or some combo therein. Once women find out that they aren't special and unique and that the man's wandering penis want's more they get all salty and indignant.

This I feel, is probably more along the lines of what happened. Vic railed them all, because well he can, and then all these bitches got upset they weren't unique to his lil stable so out comes the allegations.

Do I care he had sex with them? As long as they were all consensual adults of legal ages, I could care less if Vic is Hogging or only going for women in Burka's. "You Do You Boo" as the old saying goes by my Uncle Mortermir.


The truth, much like Ron Toye's pedophiliac tendencies, are somewhere in the middle.

 

[AnOminous]

I suppose he could claim a sudden recollection of the tweets, though I can't imagine any juror finding that credible given the deposition. That sorta leaves you with the question: "Why would they even go with the 'I don't recall' strategy?" Pretty much any defense I can think of (even incredibly dubious ones like "he was exaggerating for effect") would kinda hinge on him being able to explain his tweets.

They have failed to plan for the possibility of it even going to trial since they're totally going to win instantly like pushing a button and then Ty, Vic and Nick all immediately go to prison and the court awards them the entire GoFundMe.

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say Vic probably fucked all these women.

He's testified he didn't. Why do you think he's a multiple perjurer?

ETA: except come to think of it did they actually specifically ask him if he's ever had sex with Monica Rial? We haven't heard the whole deposition yet, but I don't think we have heard them ask that specific question. It would be interesting if the defense fails to ask that.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Was about to post something to this effect. Fort Worth (Tarrant County) is more conservative than Dallas, but Texas major cities aren't anywhere near as 'Red' as Midland etc.

No, it's less relevant than that.

Nobody accused him of hiring an escort. Nobody accused him of having sex with said escort. None of the publicized stories prior to the lawsuit involved the twins story. Nobody said anything about him cheating on his fiancée. Nobody's accused him of just being a crusher-- they've claimed that he's harassed and raped women and children.

His revealed indiscretions are completely irrelevant to the fact that his reputation suffered harm because he was accused of things that, if he actually did them, would have landed him under the jail yesterday. I can't see how the failure to substantiate any of the things that they stuck him with, especially the most severe things, would not severely eclipse his actual wrongs.

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say Vic probably fucked all these women. He said in his deposition "Everything was consensual". I'll put dollars to donuts all these women didn't know they were getting railed by Vic at the same time, or one at a time, or some combo therein. Once women find out that they aren't special and unique and that the man's wandering penis want's more they get all salty and indignant.

This I feel, is probably more along the lines of what happened. Vic railed them all, because well he can, and then all these bitches got upset they weren't unique to his lil stable so out comes the allegations.

Do I care he had sex with them? As long as they were all consensual adults of legal ages, I could care less if Vic is Hogging or only going for women in Burka's. "You Do You Boo" as the old saying goes by my Uncle Mortermir.


The truth, much like Ron Toye's pedophiliac tendencies, are somewhere in the middle.

Well, the only people directly involved with him that produced any public/legal allegations that actually even tangentially involved his weiner were Rial and Marchi, and we know Vic didn't do the horizontal tango with the former (though they may have held hands at some point), and Marchi's active disdain for Christianity would have probably been an active boner killer and a cause for sour relations.

 

[Tour of Italy]

I dunno fam, I'd say "Defendant was blatantly coached to forget everything when an objection to form was made, refused to answer anything or authenticate anything, wasted as much time as possible, and on the rare few ocassions he answered perjured himself, admitted to malice then immediately tried to backpedal, and utterly sabatoged all of his affirmative defenses especially after claiming he based his position on Vic's guilt citing articles he was a fucking source on" is amazing for Vic's case.

Defendant who has crowed about how much evidence there is and how much he wants everything to be public and released according to legal process has jack shit to offer when given that exact opportunity.

 

[GRB86]

No, it's less relevant than that.

Nobody accused him of hiring an escort. Nobody accused him of having sex with said escort. None of the publicized stories prior to the lawsuit involved the twins story. Nobody said anything about him cheating on his fiancée. Nobody's accused him of just being a crusher-- they've claimed that he's harassed and raped women and children.

His revealed indiscretions are completely irrelevant to the fact that his reputation suffered harm because he was accused of things that, if he actually did them, would have landed him under the jail yesterday. I can't see how the failure to substantiate any of the things that they stuck him with, especially the most severe things, would not severely eclipse his actual wrongs.



Well, the only people directly involved with him that produced any public/legal allegations that actually even tangentially involved his weiner were Rial and Marchi, and we know Vic didn't do the horizontal tango with the former (though they may have held hands at some point), and Marchi's active disdain for Christianity would have probably been an active boner killer and a cause for sour relations.

Just a reminder, Terrant county is the home of the largest TEA party in the US.

 

[Scuttle]

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say Vic probably fucked all these women. He said in his deposition "Everything was consensual". I'll put dollars to donuts all these women didn't know they were getting railed by Vic at the same time, or one at a time, or some combo therein. Once women find out that they aren't special and unique and that the man's wandering penis want's more they get all salty and indignant.

This I feel, is probably more along the lines of what happened. Vic railed them all, because well he can, and then all these bitches got upset they weren't unique to his lil stable so out comes the allegations.

Do I care he had sex with them? As long as they were all consensual adults of legal ages, I could care less if Vic is Hogging or only going for women in Burka's. "You Do You Boo" as the old saying goes by my Uncle Mortermir.


The truth, much like Ron Toye's pedophiliac tendencies, are somewhere in the middle.

In regards to the twins he said he invited them and said he believed there was mutual attraction. He denies, under oath, that it even reached the alleged forced kiss.

In regards to the Bachmeyer(sic) situation, he alleges, under oath, that it never escalated past a consensual kiss, and that despite talking in a friendly way after, it was a mutual agreement that they wouldn't pursue a relationship.

The jellybean incident he admits to (as if it's literally anything of substance).

The only one you could assign the 'everything was consensual' to that HASNT been elaborated upon in more detail as of yet is whatever the hell happened between Vic and Monica in the hotel room - a statement that became infinitely more believable when Stan came to twitter to say he had no idea what Monica was talking about.

I believe it's less about women not feeling special and more to do with Monica being an opportunist. Her 'it happened to me too!' was intentionally vague until 1-2 weeks later, which just so happens to coincide with her role in the Funi investigation and Ron's statement to KamehaCon that she was contacting other conventions to remove him.

Pure speculation, but I'm of the mind to believe she's been teetering on the edge of wanting to cancel him for a while. Either that, or she was just THAT desperate to score points with the #MeToo movement.

 

[Fapcop]

It’s even better. Ron’s not going to be able to address those tweets at all. He can’t add context to them, or attempt to frame them as satire, hyperbole or opinion. Because any answer in court that isn’t I don’t remember is perjury. And the jury gets instructed to disregard anything out of this lying liars mouth. Essentially Ron’s stunt pretty much means that Ty gets to enter Ron’s tweets and dm’s Into the record as authenticated and frame them as he wishes unchallenged.

Ron’s Play has the potential to keep all of the salacious “victims” stories out of court altogether, save the ones directly attributed to the Funi report. All the victims are there not to prosecute Vic, but to prove that RonRon Monica and Marchi’s defamatory claims are truthful. But RonRon can’t remember anything about the tweets under oath. The Tweets are no longer facts in contention.

I remain puzzled as to why the defense thought putting Ron under oath before dropping the TCPA was a good idea?

I’m not going get into how a possible jury would interpret how sniveling and slimy Ron comes across under questioning.

Some might see it and think: “Oh that’s just nerves.”.

What really is going to fuck him is those tweets he can’t remember.

No I don’t remember every tweet or email I’ve written the past year. But I can definitely remember some. Especially if confronted with it.

But Ron doesn’t remember a single one? Nobody is going to buy that. Their first thought will be: “He’s full of crap!”

The next thought will be: “I wonder what else he’s lying about?”

 

[OldAmishRenegade]

The only one you could assign the 'everything was consensual' to that HASNT been elaborated upon in more detail as of yet is whatever the hell happened between Vic and Monica in the hotel room - a statement that became infinitely more believable when Stan came to twitter to say he had no idea what Monica was talking about.

He could have also been talking about Kara Edwards there.

 

[Scuttle]

He could have also been talking about Kara Edwards there.

From the deposition I recall her name being mentioned. Was it ever mentioned what the allegation actually was?