T. Greg Doucette / Thomas Gregory Doucette / greg_doucette / TGDLaw / fsckemall / lawdevnull / TDot - Super Lawyer, Failed Politician, Captain of The Threadnought, Drowning in Debt

[PrinceofAllCucks]

Personally, I expect it to be around 10-15 million in damages total, before trebling, especially with the lack of remorse and doubling down from all parties.

Even if he doesn't get the maximum amount allowed, a few million dollars isn't something to scoff at, especially if it ends up funding further Civil Suits.

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

Another for our fine hot take cellar:

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T. Greg Doucette on Twitter

“Vic's case is thrown out, he's hit with attorney fees and sanctions in the mid-six-figure range, there's not enough GFM money to cover it, so he joins me in Chapter 13 bankruptcy land https://t.co/EQVs4s6yXp”

twitter.com

http://archive.li/1t5tc

When he wins, I hope you join Etika in an hero land.

 

[Kosher Salt]

The maximum possible penalty would be about 50 million before the decision to treble it (20 million compensatory damages, 25 million exemplary/punitive damages and 5 million in sanctions), but it's unlikely to get close and Funimation would need to carry a large part of it. Even punitive damages can't be excessive, but it can be trebled (besides the sanctions), so the total judgement might still ruin a company like Funimation if Sony doesn't save it. In the end, it's up to a jury to decide as long as the awarded amount isn't excessive before trebling. In the end, Law Twitters involvement is likely to have increased the awarded damages because they got involved directly due to the actions of the defendants and their allies.

How do you get those numbers? The complaint says that it is claiming between $1 million and $5 million in compensatory damages, and my understanding is that the exemplary damages would be 2x the compensatory damages, making the damages treble in total, not including any attorney's fees that might also be awarded.

That said, isn't the maximum that he's asking basically just a suggestion anyway? If the jury felt like $5 million was still less than the true value of the damages that Vic has suffered, they could just pencil in whatever number they feel is fair, right?

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

When he wins, I hope you join Etika in an hero land.

Poor Etika. Seriously,Etika had some severe mental health problems when he an heroed himself, but T Greg is just a plain idiot. Not even my worst enemy deserves sharing the afterlife with a moron like T Greg.

 

[king of pickles]

Maybe his fellow colleagues from Lawtwitter. They could continue their threadnought wherever they end up. The most fitting thing would be a reincarnation as a shitbug, though.

 

[Soviras]

How do you get those numbers? The complaint says that it is claiming between $1 million and $5 million in compensatory damages, and my understanding is that the exemplary damages would be 2x the compensatory damages, making the damages treble in total, not including any attorney's fees that might also be awarded.

That said, isn't the maximum that he's asking basically just a suggestion anyway? If the jury felt like $5 million was still less than the true value of the damages that Vic has suffered, they could just pencil in whatever number they feel is fair, right?

The jury could in theory award any amount they choose for each defendant, but it's not possible for the awarded damages to be excessive or it would be overturned on appeal (which is a good thing too, so people are protected to some degree if they get sued over a bad life decision). It would be lowered to a certain range if deemed excessive. 5 million $ x 4, which is the maximum requested amount, can already be on the line of being excessive for 3 out of 4 defendants (they are broke idiots, they can't be expected to pay that much off within 5 lifetimes).

What makes it count as excessive depends on who is being sued and what the actions were, but for people in the position of Monica/Ron/Marchi, it caps out much lower than for instance Funimation. What it comes down to in the end is that they can be ruined for life as a result of the lawsuit, but they can't be forced to get stuck with an unreasonable judgement, which in cases with broke idiots tends to end up capping the punitives at 100% of the compensatory damages and higher than that often gets lowered on appeal, and this isn't counting trebling of the damages. Funimation has far more resources, and this means they can receive a higher judgement before it's deemed excessive.

Also trebling damages isn't exactly the same as giving punitive damages. Punitive damages are essentially any damages awarded for misconduct to serve as a deterrent for others that might want to try the same. Treble damages aren't unrelated to punitive damages (similar idea, but different rules), but they aren't the exact same thing and treble damages ignore the excessiveness of the amount they represent (unless a rule caps the total amount no matter what). Punitive damages are often awarded in cases where it's either very hard to punish someone for doing something (like defamation) or when the party isn't punished enough from the compensatory damages (mostly things done with malicious intent to cause harm).

Trebling of damages is done using the actual damages or compensatory damages, which most of the time doesn't include any punitive damages (although it's up to the courts discretion), and it's a simple x3 multiplier and the total amount can go over what would be considered excessive. In most cases, only the base pre-treble amount is considered for caps and excessiveness. Punitive damages can be any amount that is deemed sufficient as punishment for the defendants, but it can't go over the limit of being excessive or it could warrant a new trial.

Damages can be excessive even if the real damage is higher than the awarded damage, although that would require a bit more of an example to explain. Imagine a scenario where a worldfamous pianist that earns millions every year visits a car mechanic, and due to a careless action from the mechanic, the pianists hands are crushed. As a result, the pianist can't play anymore for the rest of his life and the damages are provably in the millions. The damage suffered by the pianist would be excessive for the car mechanic to pay, because while the careless action may have caused provable harm, the actual amount is beyond the point of being reasonable for what was actually done by the mechanic. If the mechanic acted with intent to cause harm, the reasonable damages would be far higher, but even then it would still be excessive above a certain point. Similarly, if it was the hand of a random guy that got crushed instead of a famous pianist, the point at which it becomes excessive would be lower because the actual damage is lower.

This also applies to Vics case, while he is well-known in a niche community and helps people, he doesn't have a long history (unlike the plaintiff in the Oberlin case) and he doesn't have a high value to the US community as a whole. He may be a good voice actor, but he wasn't raking in millions a year. All of this limits the amount that can be awarded before it's deemed excessive. The numbers I gave were estimates based on how the damages are capped in other cases. Funimation is the only one that can reasonably pay a large sum from the judgement, and while drawing parallels to Oberlin, Funimation is far less capable of carrying the burden than Oberlin and Vic has a lot less history and influence in the community than the bakery. The damages in Oberlins case were seen as exceptionally high, and the main reason it wasn't deemed excessive off the bat was the massive amount of value that Oberlin had. None of the defendants come close to that value.

It's not impossible for the damage to go well above the amounts I gave, but it would be unlikely. Although with how the defendants have been acting, it may become more likely in the future... Acting with malice towards Vic and continuing to do so is something that will be raising the ceiling, but I don't expect it to go far above... But you never know with these people, it would likely have been max 10 million total if they stopped it all when the lawsuit started. Their lack of remorse and openly malicious actions have significantly affected the result already, and things like getting Law Twitter to campaign against him could easily constitute grounds for an increase of the excessiveness line. I just don't know how they could raise the ceiling any further at this time, they make Oberlin seem cooperative and friendly.

 

[Far Queue]

The jury could in theory award any amount they choose for each defendant, but it's not possible for the awarded damages to be excessive or it would be overturned on appeal (which is a good thing too, so people are protected to some degree if they get sued over a bad life decision). It would be lowered to a certain range if deemed excessive. 5 million $ x 4, which is the maximum requested amount, can already be on the line of being excessive for 3 out of 4 defendants (they are broke idiots, they can't be expected to pay that much off within 5 lifetimes).

What makes it count as excessive depends on who is being sued and what the actions were, but for people in the position of Monica/Ron/Marchi, it caps out much lower than for instance Funimation. What it comes down to in the end is that they can be ruined for life as a result of the lawsuit, but they can't be forced to get stuck with an unreasonable judgement, which in cases with broke idiots tends to end up capping the punitives at 100% of the compensatory damages and higher than that often gets lowered on appeal, and this isn't counting trebling of the damages. Funimation has far more resources, and this means they can receive a higher judgement before it's deemed excessive.

Also trebling damages isn't exactly the same as giving punitive damages. Punitive damages are essentially any damages awarded for misconduct to serve as a deterrent for others that might want to try the same. Treble damages aren't unrelated to punitive damages (similar idea, but different rules), but they aren't the exact same thing and treble damages ignore the excessiveness of the amount they represent (unless a rule caps the total amount no matter what). Punitive damages are often awarded in cases where it's either very hard to punish someone for doing something (like defamation) or when the party isn't punished enough from the compensatory damages (mostly things done with malicious intent to cause harm).

Trebling of damages is done using the actual damages or compensatory damages, which most of the time doesn't include any punitive damages (although it's up to the courts discretion), and it's a simple x3 multiplier and the total amount can go over what would be considered excessive. In most cases, only the base pre-treble amount is considered for caps and excessiveness. Punitive damages can be any amount that is deemed sufficient as punishment for the defendants, but it can't go over the limit of being excessive or it could warrant a new trial.

Damages can be excessive even if the real damage is higher than the awarded damage, although that would require a bit more of an example to explain. Imagine a scenario where a worldfamous pianist that earns millions every year visits a car mechanic, and due to a careless action from the mechanic, the pianists hands are crushed. As a result, the pianist can't play anymore for the rest of his life and the damages are provably in the millions. The damage suffered by the pianist would be excessive for the car mechanic to pay, because while the careless action may have caused provable harm, the actual amount is beyond the point of being reasonable for what was actually done by the mechanic. If the mechanic acted with intent to cause harm, the reasonable damages would be far higher, but even then it would still be excessive above a certain point. Similarly, if it was the hand of a random guy that got crushed instead of a famous pianist, the point at which it becomes excessive would be lower because the actual damage is lower.

This also applies to Vics case, while he is well-known in a niche community and helps people, he doesn't have a long history (unlike the plaintiff in the Oberlin case) and he doesn't have a high value to the US community as a whole. He may be a good voice actor, but he wasn't raking in millions a year. All of this limits the amount that can be awarded before it's deemed excessive. The numbers I gave were estimates based on how the damages are capped in other cases. Funimation is the only one that can reasonably pay a large sum from the judgement, and while drawing parallels to Oberlin, Funimation is far less capable of carrying the burden than Oberlin and Vic has a lot less history and influence in the community than the bakery. The damages in Oberlins case were seen as exceptionally high, and the main reason it wasn't deemed excessive off the bat was the massive amount of value that Oberlin had. None of the defendants come close to that value.

It's not impossible for the damage to go well above the amounts I gave, but it would be unlikely. Although with how the defendants have been acting, it may become more likely in the future... Acting with malice towards Vic and continuing to do so is something that will be raising the ceiling, but I don't expect it to go far above... But you never know with these people, it would likely have been max 10 million total if they stopped it all when the lawsuit started. Their lack of remorse and openly malicious actions have significantly affected the result already, and things like getting Law Twitter to campaign against him could easily constitute grounds for an increase of the excessiveness line. I just don't know how they could raise the ceiling any further at this time, they make Oberlin seem cooperative and friendly.

Ty anticipated all of this so they're all being sued under joint and several liability. The end result is that whoever can pay has to, but then that party can turn around to collect from the other parties or possibly sue them in turn. That's part of the reason why Funimation will want to settle. They know that these broke ass idiots aren't going to be able to cough up even 10% of any serious judgement the jury might award, so it's them who will be paying most of it.

If some people like Sabat become parties to the case, suddenly there are some individuals with assets. Texas has rules against seizing homes, cars, etc. but Sabat's recording studio would be fair game. I can even think of a few people who might be interested in buying something like that.

 

[CBBD]

Vic's net worth is estimated to be several million. Even a 6 figure loss wouldn't leave him bankrupt, no matter how much Douchette wishes otherwise.

With a case this strong, I highly doubt BHBH aren't willing to wait until payouts come to collect in full if the 225k collected so far isn't enough. Seems like a really retarded line to take that they would just drop the case because the GFM isn't enough.

-- I misread it, thought he was saying they would drop the case, not that a judge drops the case. Even if he fails against Ronica there are still plenty of other targets with fat wallets available.

 

[Disheveled Pizza]

The jury could in theory award any amount they choose for each defendant, but it's not possible for the awarded damages to be excessive or it would be overturned on appeal (which is a good thing too, so people are protected to some degree if they get sued over a bad life decision). It would be lowered to a certain range if deemed excessive. 5 million $ x 4, which is the maximum requested amount, can already be on the line of being excessive for 3 out of 4 defendants (they are broke idiots, they can't be expected to pay that much off within 5 lifetimes).

What makes it count as excessive depends on who is being sued and what the actions were, but for people in the position of Monica/Ron/Marchi, it caps out much lower than for instance Funimation. What it comes down to in the end is that they can be ruined for life as a result of the lawsuit, but they can't be forced to get stuck with an unreasonable judgement, which in cases with broke idiots tends to end up capping the punitives at 100% of the compensatory damages and higher than that often gets lowered on appeal, and this isn't counting trebling of the damages. Funimation has far more resources, and this means they can receive a higher judgement before it's deemed excessive.

Also trebling damages isn't exactly the same as giving punitive damages. Punitive damages are essentially any damages awarded for misconduct to serve as a deterrent for others that might want to try the same. Treble damages aren't unrelated to punitive damages (similar idea, but different rules), but they aren't the exact same thing and treble damages ignore the excessiveness of the amount they represent (unless a rule caps the total amount no matter what). Punitive damages are often awarded in cases where it's either very hard to punish someone for doing something (like defamation) or when the party isn't punished enough from the compensatory damages (mostly things done with malicious intent to cause harm).

Trebling of damages is done using the actual damages or compensatory damages, which most of the time doesn't include any punitive damages (although it's up to the courts discretion), and it's a simple x3 multiplier and the total amount can go over what would be considered excessive. In most cases, only the base pre-treble amount is considered for caps and excessiveness. Punitive damages can be any amount that is deemed sufficient as punishment for the defendants, but it can't go over the limit of being excessive or it could warrant a new trial.

Damages can be excessive even if the real damage is higher than the awarded damage, although that would require a bit more of an example to explain. Imagine a scenario where a worldfamous pianist that earns millions every year visits a car mechanic, and due to a careless action from the mechanic, the pianists hands are crushed. As a result, the pianist can't play anymore for the rest of his life and the damages are provably in the millions. The damage suffered by the pianist would be excessive for the car mechanic to pay, because while the careless action may have caused provable harm, the actual amount is beyond the point of being reasonable for what was actually done by the mechanic. If the mechanic acted with intent to cause harm, the reasonable damages would be far higher, but even then it would still be excessive above a certain point. Similarly, if it was the hand of a random guy that got crushed instead of a famous pianist, the point at which it becomes excessive would be lower because the actual damage is lower.

This also applies to Vics case, while he is well-known in a niche community and helps people, he doesn't have a long history (unlike the plaintiff in the Oberlin case) and he doesn't have a high value to the US community as a whole. He may be a good voice actor, but he wasn't raking in millions a year. All of this limits the amount that can be awarded before it's deemed excessive. The numbers I gave were estimates based on how the damages are capped in other cases. Funimation is the only one that can reasonably pay a large sum from the judgement, and while drawing parallels to Oberlin, Funimation is far less capable of carrying the burden than Oberlin and Vic has a lot less history and influence in the community than the bakery. The damages in Oberlins case were seen as exceptionally high, and the main reason it wasn't deemed excessive off the bat was the massive amount of value that Oberlin had. None of the defendants come close to that value.

It's not impossible for the damage to go well above the amounts I gave, but it would be unlikely. Although with how the defendants have been acting, it may become more likely in the future... Acting with malice towards Vic and continuing to do so is something that will be raising the ceiling, but I don't expect it to go far above... But you never know with these people, it would likely have been max 10 million total if they stopped it all when the lawsuit started. Their lack of remorse and openly malicious actions have significantly affected the result already, and things like getting Law Twitter to campaign against him could easily constitute grounds for an increase of the excessiveness line. I just don't know how they could raise the ceiling any further at this time, they make Oberlin seem cooperative and friendly.

One thing that could really increase the punitive damages at the very least is if they can provably show Funimation breached his employment contract with the manner in which they fired him, and the investigation proves to be insufficient for firing in any capacity. Then on top of that if they can prove civil conspiracy and connect it to Funimation employees or even if they conspired on Funimation's property and time then the damages will raise exponentially. Right now Funimation is in desperate need for the TCPA to go through because I bet that there is a lot of shit that went down behind the scenes at Funimation that isn't above board. I don't think a Texas jury will look too kindly on Funimation if it turns out even part of the reason he was fired was because people disliked his faith, which we know already that there are several people who did.

Although if the TCPA falls though I expect Funimation will attempt to settle because they know the law isn't on their side.

 

[Far Queue]

With a case this strong, I highly doubt BHBH aren't willing to wait until payouts come to collect in full if the 225k collected so far isn't enough. Seems like a really exceptional line to take that they would just drop the case because the GFM isn't enough.

For all we know they have some kind of arrangement with Vic for percentage of the judgement with some minimal amount that Vic would make up the difference for if they were to lose or the judgement wasn't terribly large.

Vic seemed somewhat evasive in terms of the questions related to how much he'd paid so far. However, there are a lot of ways to interpret that. One could be that he personally hasn't paid anything yet because it's all getting billed to the IOLTA account still.

 

[Genkoda]

For all we know they have some kind of arrangement with Vic for percentage of the judgement with some minimal amount that Vic would make up the difference for if they were to lose or the judgement wasn't terribly large.

Vic seemed somewhat evasive in terms of the questions related to how much he'd paid so far. However, there are a lot of ways to interpret that. One could be that he personally hasn't paid anything yet because it's all getting billed to the IOLTA account still.

Vic had stated he did not pay anything yet when they were on him about the gofundme.

 

[CBBD]

Vic seemed somewhat evasive in terms of the questions related to how much he'd paid so far. However, there are a lot of ways to interpret that. One could be that he personally hasn't paid anything yet because it's all getting billed to the IOLTA account still.

If I had to guess. He probably just doesn't know any actual $ numbers because Ty and Nick told him that the GFM is going straight to BHBH so as to not give him anything else to worry about. I would imagine this whole thing has been stressful as hell. I'm reminded of the scenes in Breaking Bad where walter's wife is stressing over yet another like $10,000 bill while walter just goes ill handle it don't worry, because he knows shes freaking out over her husband dying.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

Since greg is wrong, he isn't a real lawyer by his own standard.

 

[king of pickles]

In a way it's fitting that he uses the picture of the USS Texas on Twitter. Both him and the battleship are basically on life support.

 

[AnOminous]

Punitive damages can be any amount that is deemed sufficient as punishment for the defendants, but it can't go over the limit of being excessive or it could warrant a new trial.

And in Texas it's limited to twice the compensatory damages.

Since greg is wrong, he isn't a real lawyer by his own standard.

Greg maintains his perfect record of being fucking wrong, since the IRS used to use a 20 factor test, not an 11 factor test. It doesn't use an enumerated list any more, but instead focuses on three general categories: behavioral control, financial control, and the relation between the parties.

Source: https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc762-0

And the new rule Greg gets wrong was adopted just in April.

I guess this is what happens when you do Google law and don't Shepardize. Remember, Greg, Shepardize or jeopardize.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

In a way it's fitting that he uses the picture of the USS Texas on Twitter. Both him and the battleship are basically on life support.

Yeah, but the USS Texas had a successful career and distinguished service record in both war and peace, T Greg doesn't even know how to spell that.
Also I'm pretty sure it's HMS Dreadnought he uses, but my point made above still stands.

 

[AnOminous]

Yeah, but the USS Texas had a successful career and distinguished service record in both war and peace, T Greg doesn't even know how to spell that.
Also I'm pretty sure it's HMS Dreadnought he uses, but my point made above still stands.

Greg's thread is more of a juggernaut, or perhaps buggernaut might be more appropriate. It certainly carries enough absolute bullshit as ballast to sink a battleship.

Is this man capable of being right about anything, ever? I assume he's said something true at some point in his life, but anything I look at even casually is just completely fucking wrong, often on a fractal level, like this last thing, where he gets the IRS rule wrong, then gets the Texas rule wrong.

Did this moron ever consider a 1987 case might have been abrogated by subsequent law? (In this case, by a law adopted in April 2019.)

Then the idiot insults someone else based on his own wrong information.

What a complete schmuck.

 

[Slimy Time]

Is this man capable of being right about anything, ever? I assume he's said something true at some point in his life, but anything I look at even casually is just completely fucking wrong, often on a fractal level, like this last thing, where he gets the IRS rule wrong, then gets the Texas rule wrong.

Considering you would have to read his 300+ tweets a day to find out, that's a question best left unanswered. I don't think anyone wants an aneurysm from reading a qualified lawyer get the basics wrong in a field which he should get paid money for.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

Greg's thread is more of a juggernaut, or perhaps buggernaut might be more appropriate. It certainly carries enough absolute bullshit as ballast to sink a battleship.

Is this man capable of being right about anything, ever? I assume he's said something true at some point in his life, but anything I look at even casually is just completely fucking wrong, often on a fractal level, like this last thing, where he gets the IRS rule wrong, then gets the Texas rule wrong.

Did this moron ever consider a 1987 case might have been abrogated by subsequent law? (In this case, by a law adopted in April 2019.)

Then the idiot insults someone else based on his own wrong information.

What a complete schmuck.

After wading thru all of his bullshit tweets I'm convinced they gave him his law degree over at NCCU, just to get rid of him.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Yeah, but the USS Texas had a successful career and distinguished service record in both war and peace, T Greg doesn't even know how to spell that.
Also I'm pretty sure it's HMS Dreadnought he uses, but my point made above still stands.

The HMS Dreadnought didn't have superfiring turrets. It just had one in the front, two wing turrets, and two in the back. Weird layout.

I don't think it's the Texas either. The bridge and funnels aren't right. Don't think it's American at all. No lattice masts and the only US BBs that used twin superfiring in the front that survived the Washington Naval Treaty for an overhaul to a normal mast don't match.

Superfiring forward twins and British. Hmmm... The RN appeared to be late to the party on the benefits of superfiring. Best guess is Orion-class. Yup. Bingo. The picture of the HMS Monarch on wikipedia got cropped.