Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[RockVolnutt]

Richard is too stupid to be Metokur.

I await the day Meyer asks "Why my Spaghetti-Os make lightning?" as he livestreams the metal can in the microwave.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

I await the day Meyer asks "Why my Spaghetti-Os make lightning?" as he livestreams the metal can in the microwave.

Lightning Spaghetti-O's best Spaghetti-O's.

 

[damian]

Clownfish TV gearing up for an IGG possibly in a couple months:

Clownfish Comics

Comics for "the rest of us" from the crew of Clownfish TV!

www.indiegogo.com

 

[Comicsgeist]

Clownfish TV gearing up for an IGG possibly in a couple months:

Clownfish Comics

Comics for "the rest of us" from the crew of Clownfish TV!

www.indiegogo.com

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They're not the only ones, I see Literature Devil has also announced an interesting sounding offering for indiegogo at the end of his latest 'Is Comicsgate Wrong' wrong video (Timestamp:37:00). This one compares and contrasts Yaboi's Jawbreakers with Fake Christmases' 'Black AF - America's Sweetheart'.

Good video BTW, he hedges his bets though by avoiding a conclusion. Ultimately if the video has anything to say about comicsgate, it's that all the enthusiasim in the world can't make up for the lack of experienced writing talent in Comicsgate, Chuck Dixon can't do it all.
It will be interesting to see if Literature Devil, who at least can string a sentence together, can step up from critic to writer.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Ultimately if the video has anything to say about comicsgate, it's that all the enthusiasim in the world can't make up for the lack of experienced writing talent in Comicsgate, Chuck Dixon can't do it all.

This (and the really variable art quality) has been the biggest sticking point for me when it comes to backing some of these projects. It reminds me a lot of the Image founding books which were all bewbs, guns, and belt pouches with a plot tacked on.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Holy shit these panels are bad. I mean, I'm willing to let a LOT slide in a comic, especially if it's an indie comic, but this shit has no excuse. It's just drawn so badly, makes the characters seem so goddamn sociopathic and disgusting, that I really feel the need to weigh in.

Spoiler: Full Metal Sperg

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First is this shit-show. The begining panel, from the POV, makes it look like the Japanese are the ones invading the island, as the bulk of their forces are coming from the beach. The battle lines have completely collapsed AND the offshore bombardment is actually between both forces, which have degenerated into complete free for all like it's fucking 1400 France, meaning that whichever side fought to create the beach-head outran their artillery support. The artwork is jumbled and confusing. It's a bad panel with no real movement and tells you little more than the Japanese and US forces are engaged in pitch fighting.

Now, the character on the left suffers from Tumblr "Bandage Face" syndrome, especially the strip across the nose. Overlooking that bandaids weren't a thing, it still looks pathetic and sad. If she WAS injured in those locations during an island invasion, either her face would be bandaged or the wounds would be left open to the air with iodine and sulfa powder dumped on them.

So she's Tumblr OC all the way.

The one on the right looks like Brie Larsen taking a shit. And that fucking sword is goddamn hideous in design, making me wonder if the designer had seen a kitchen knife, much less a broadsword.

Sigh.

Second panel: Casualties on all sides are mounting. Apparently civilians are joining in with farm implements. The wounded are not being evac'd to the rear and instead are being forced to push forward. The artwork is goddamn terrible, and it (un)intentionally looks like the US troops are massacring civilians while the Japanese Army tries to protect them.

Neither panel has our heroes in it, making you wonder what the fuck they're doing.

Panel Three: Oh boy, some action lines.

First of all, apparently the jap on the left threw a fucking black-cat firework, since a real grenade going off right there would have turned three of them into fucking hamburger.

One of our heroes, Sword Girl, is leaping from a high point (the cliffs nearby), meaning that either the US troops have the high ground to either side or that she ran up there on her own. She's jumping from behind the tank with her sword.

And here's where it goes to shit...

Panel Four...

The Japanese soldiers shown on either side of the tank are now missing. None of them are taking an obvious shot. Her motion pose now suggests she came at the tank from the front, the path of the sword, which is apparently slicing through a light tank despite being held sideways. She has sliced through the barrel too. This is supposed to be an "OMG SO COOL GIRL POWER" moment, but instead looks fucking stupid and your brain laughs and goes "LOL NO" even though we've seen Supes throw tanks, Captain America blow them up with a light tap of his shield, and the Hulk gently shake out soldiers then hang around long enough to hand out bandaids and headpats.

The tank has apparently also moved backwards, away from the ditch that the helpless male soldiers were cowering in.

There is so much wrong with this panel...

BUT, you might say, it's just the ROUGH DRAFT! Maybe the colorized is...

oh.

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Well, our GURL POWAH character, who is apparently a God, has pink fucking hair. Great.

Oh, and the rank on the second guy from the left is upside down. And why did they put camo-lines on the tank and uniforms when mono-color was pretty much the word of the day, and the soldiers on the left hand panel would be wearing OD green, not camo.

Holy fuck, this is a goddamn shitshow.

Oh, and the 4 guys are still fucking dead if that was anything bigger than an M-80.

And holy shit, if you know your fucking history involving the Pacific Campaign, the idea that "Gods" joined in because of hate is laughable. That was some of the most brutal and savage fighting the US has ever seen.

Those two women are fucking blood Gods of the Warhammer 40K style if they showed up to participate in a theater where the fucking nips were eating POWs and the US forces were strapping dead bodies to the tanks to act as additional armor and to let the Japs know what was going to happen to them. If they stuck with what went on, those two "Gods" would be ripping Nip heads off to drink their blood, feast on their yellow flesh, and adorn themselves with skulls before indulging in orgies and burning motherfuckers alive.

I was going to go over the other pages, but holy goddamn shit, this is long enough and even as a Full Metal Sperg I can only go so far into the paint on a goddamn shitty comic apparently drawn by a chimp with a cratered head wound and written by a sped in the middle of a Tourette's fit.

You know, it's almost like the artist cut and pasted the sword from the top right into the chick's hands. Of course, that also doesn't take into account it wasn't a chop but a downward thrust so why the hell is the gun barrel splitting in half? I suppose she could be going all Starkiller style with her glowy sword, but still...

 

[Comicsgeist]

This (and the really variable art quality) has been the biggest sticking point for me when it comes to backing some of these projects. It reminds me a lot of the Image founding books which were all bewbs, guns, and belt pouches with a plot tacked on.

It's sort of telling that Literature Devil all but gives up trying to give a coherent summation of the plot of Jawbreakers, which comes across a bit like a narrative constructed by an 8yr old with ADHD smashing his GI Joe's together. Which is what I suspected and the reason I didn't back the book.
I was really tempted to, just as a fuck you to Mark Waid, but if Comicsgate is to prosper into a real alternative it's going to need to offer something more then expensive opportunities to 'own the libs'. Wisely Zack seems to be bringing in writers to flesh out his stories, but like I said, Chuck Dixon can't carry water for everybody.
The only book I've backed so far that I've received is Bigfoot Bill, which was disappointingly weak and lacking in any kind of character development or plot for a 96 page book. Which is a real shame as I've enjoyed reading some of Doug's other work.
Hopefully some diamonds in the rough will emerge from all these titles as they begin to deliver.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

It's sort of telling that Literature Devil all but gives up trying to give a coherent summation of the plot of Jawbreakers, which comes across a bit like a narrative constructed by an 8yr old with ADHD smashing his GI Joe's together. Which is what I suspected and the reason I didn't back the book.
I was really tempted to, just as a fuck you to Mark Waid, but if Comicsgate is to prosper into a real alternative it's going to need to offer something more then expensive opportunities to 'own the libs'. Wisely Zack seems to be bringing in writers to flesh out his stories, but like I said, Chuck Dixon can't carry water for everybody.
The only book I've backed so far that I've received is Bigfoot Bill, which was disappointingly weak and lacking in any kind of character development or plot for a 96 page book. Which is a real shame as I've enjoyed reading some of Doug's other work.
Hopefully some diamonds in the rough will emerge from all these titles as they begin to deliver.

I enjoyed Cyberfrog in the ‘90s, but I also liked Limp Bizkit for a minute so that only proves that teenagers are stupid. I’m hoping that Blood Honey is more than just goofy fun and great art.

 

[Rebis]

What is with this obsession with Nazis. There if every nazi in America held a rally tomorrow they would not even fill a banquet hall at the holiday inn Express. These fools are the very definition of Don Quixote tilting at windmills. They sit high and proud on their horse fighting the good fight while everyone else thinks they are idiots

A bit off topic, but the basic logic is that pretty much everybody hates Nazis. Nazis, within our popular culture, are pretty much the most evil of the evil. You can’t argue Nazis are good in any way without looking like a total jackass. So they have been shifting the definition of Nazi to include anyone they don’t like. “How can you defend EVS/Jordan Peterson/Trump when he’s a NAZI!?!? Are you a Nazi too?!?!”

The next step is to rationalize violence. That’s why the Punch Nazis meme has been pushed so hard. If you’re allowed to punch Nazis and Nazis are everyone who opposes your politics, then violent action against pretty much anybody is justified.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

A bit off topic, but the basic logic is that pretty much everybody hates Nazis. Nazis, within our popular culture, are pretty much the most evil of the evil. You can’t argue Nazis are good in any way without looking like a total jackass. So they have been shifting the definition of Nazi to include anyone they don’t like. “How can you defend EVS/Jordan Peterson/Trump when he’s a NAZI!‽? Are you a Nazi too?!‽”

As an aside to an aside, while there are some aspects of SJWism that have evolved online, this Nazi thing goes back to at least the mid-aughts. The proto-antifa types that were present for the WTO riots back in the late '90s were happy to spout this shit on the streets for years before it went mainstream.

Spoiler: Fourth Reich

 

[KingofNothing]

To the surprise of no one, War Campaign is in trouble...again with Ro delivering some hot takes on Mike and Doug

S.H.Brewster on Twitter: "What is the point in comparing Christians i…

archived 18 Jul 2019 22:52:30 UTC

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Spoiler: Full video of the stream

If time stamp isn't working, about 44 minutes in. I'm surprised Edwin let that comment slide so easily

Vielned on Twitter

“@Wonder52080722 @Edwin_Boyette @AbacusMike @RoKabir @EthanVanSciver @JonMalin @WarCampaignYT @DonalTDeLay @GatHanzo Well I had criticisms a couple week ago as well on those subjects but have moved on, as Mike seems to have. (took my cue from him :)”

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I think Mike is taking it well though

Spoiler: Archives

https://archive.fo/2rh1w https://archive.fo/mfReH

Uh oh, Caesar is displeased. Guess Ro went a little too far this time. A shame they didn't have a bunch of people telling them to stop being spergs.


Really hate that twitter is trying to force me to use the new layout. Made doing these screenshots harder than it needed to be.

 

[FROG]

To the surprise of no one, War Campaign is in trouble...again with Ro delivering some hot takes on Mike and Doug

S.H.Brewster on Twitter: "What is the point in comparing Christians i…

archived 18 Jul 2019 22:52:30 UTC

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Spoiler: Full video of the stream

If time stamp isn't working, about 44 minutes in. I'm surprised Edwin let that comment slide so easily

Vielned on Twitter

“@Wonder52080722 @Edwin_Boyette @AbacusMike @RoKabir @EthanVanSciver @JonMalin @WarCampaignYT @DonalTDeLay @GatHanzo Well I had criticisms a couple week ago as well on those subjects but have moved on, as Mike seems to have. (took my cue from him :)”

twitter.com

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I think Mike is taking it well though

Spoiler: Archives

https://archive.fo/2rh1w https://archive.fo/mfReH

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Uh oh, Caesar is displeased. Guess Ro went a little too far this time. A shame they didn't have a bunch of people telling them to stop being spergs.


Really hate that twitter is trying to force me to use the new layout. Made doing these screenshots harder than it needed to be.

I couldn’t give a shit. That Rumble Terrier dude is a douchebag too.

 

[I ain't having it]

Why don't you guys make the comics first then sell them?

 

[ᴍᴀᴅᴜᴋᴇ]

Why don't you guys make the comics first then sell them?

Gotta make you pay premium price and wait awhile to receive 1 comic.

Looks like SDCC is already upon us.

 

[FROG]

Why don't you guys make the comics first then sell them?

It’s fucking expensive. Crowdfunding’s entire purpose to to generate the capital to be able to make something.

 

[KingofNothing]

Why don't you guys make the comics first then sell them?

Have to gauge general interest first I suppose, since they're doing everything themselves and have to pay others. Can't pay people in dreams. Zack seems to have it down now, he used money from the previous campaign to fund this one, the book is almost done and is on schedule to ship by September like he listed. Doug was also pretty good at gauging how long it take him to make and ship a book. Hell BFB came out earlier than expected.

 

[LateNightComics]

Why don't you guys make the comics first then sell them?

120 page comic. If you print 100 copies is going to cost over $500 alone. Page rates? That can vary wildly, especially depending on who and how many people are involved.
You're looking at an easy 10k for art if you go cheap. Probably closer to 20k if you want it to look cool.
Do you have 21k to gamble on a book making triple that at direct market to break even?
That's for 100 copies. (Which would make it a $210 comic).
You need backers but there are so many options. The future is getting closer to creator owned properties and a direct to consumer market. Creators are already responsible for marketing the companies product.

 

[gobbogobb]

Simple terms: crowdfunding was metaphorically made for things like indie comics.

Insular industry
High cost of entry
Shit distribution
Starving artists

Why would anyone with talent and a good pitch go with a traditional publisher?

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

Ro being a numpty, but I don't see this going anywhere.

I will say this though, Mike is definitely being Islamic, once Ro insulted his religion he flew off the handle and threatened to kill him...

Or did he?

 

[damian]

Lovable 1st grade level mathematician Ron Marz recently started his own crowdfund campaign for his Dread Gods:

Ron Marz on Twitter

“GOOOOOAL! We hit our funding goal with three hours to spare! Which means you still have three hours to pledge and get yourself a copy! https://t.co/Ttni59zZEf”

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It safely passed it goal with 2 hours to spare:

Dread Gods Sci-Fi/Fantasy Graphic Novel, Art Book by Ominous Press — …

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But here's the reason I'm making my post. 4 hours ago, this Campaign was on the verge of failing:

Then I noticed that the backer count only increased by 8 backers:

That means these 8 backers dropped a combined amount of $7,160 within 4 hours. This got me even more curious, so I decided to check on the perks (totals only):

Spoiler: backer perks

$0 by no backers


$615 by 41 backers


$3,200 by 80 backers


$780 by 13 backers


$1,200 by 12 backers


$350 by 2 backers


$0 by no backers


$0 by no backers


$300 by 1 backer


$300 by 1 backer


$300 by 1 backer


$3,000 by 1 backer

$10,045 in total from 152 backers when you add it all up. This means the 8 backers who contrubuted >$7K did so through the donate without reward option:

Pretty interesting isn't it?