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1) You're moving the goalposts.
2) How is that at all relevant when discussing hypotheticals about how a situation involving Yaniv, in Canada, might play out?
Now I'm shitting up the thread too, so I'll leave it at that.
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1) You're moving the goalposts.
2) How is that at all relevant when discussing hypotheticals about how a situation involving Yaniv, in Canada, might play out?
Now I'm shitting up the thread too, so I'll leave it at that.
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Compensation for injury to dignity, feelings and self respect - Remedies under the Human Rights Code - My Human Rights and Duties Under the BC Human Rights Code - BC Human Rights Tribunal
If a complainant wins their case at a hearing, the Tribunal will order a remedy. One of the remedies for discrimination is a payment to make up for the harm to the complainant.
www.bchrt.bc.ca
Compensation for injury to dignity, feelings and self respect
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"Moving the goalposts" but you're the only one trying to score points. Make your arguments and share info if you want to but stop trying to win edebates.
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Tenancy related anything doesn’t apply here. JY isn’t a tenant, they’re an owner. The RTA neither protects or punishes them for anything.
I am sure the strata president and council are feverishly looking for a way to get anything on paper though.
I am sure the strata president and council are feverishly looking for a way to get anything on paper though.
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Is there anyway to nail down how many of JYs cases have ended in mediation?
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Its amazing how every time someone in his Twitter brings up his predatory behavior towards children, he immediately shifts the focus onto how he's a woman and not a man because the person who brought it up used a male pronoun instead of a female one. Its like those people who can't actually make a comeback to an argument so they just correct their grammar instead and say "GOTCHA!"
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Yeah, sorry, I should have addressed that. The Strata Property Act does allow strata corporations to obtain court orders to force owners of condominium units to sell, essentially "evicting" them. It's a notorious pain in the ass to do, but there have been some relatively high-profile cases where it has happened, and if anyone is enough of a pain in the ass to warrant it, it would be the Yanivs.
Funny enough, in BC such an order is known as a "Jordison Order," being named after another mother and son team: https://www.surreynowleader.com/news/judge-orders-mom-and-son-to-move-out-and-sell-surrey-condo/
Anyways, an owner would also still be able to lodge a human rights complaint against a strata corporation, in any event: http://www.bchrt.bc.ca/human-rights-duties/housing/index.htm#strata
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Lots of protections exist for what are sometimes referred to as “vulnerable people” here in Canada. Also, Jonathan owns the condo—it’s not a landlord tenant situation. I can’t say how it would shake out, but it could get messy quickly and Strata would need to weigh its options before pursuing a civil suit.
Private fines for breaches of contract from a property management company aren’t themselves civil suits. They can escalate if the fine goes unpaid (and the circumstances are such that the fine is actionable, i.e. there was an agreement in place, party A broke some part of that agreement, party B has attempted to levy a fine as per the same agreement but has been unsuccessful, and, after whatever period of time/payment schedule outlined in the agreement elapses, later sues for damages in small claims court or another venue) but from what I’ve seen it’s not something that generally goes straight from fine to court.
Also, it is made complicated by the fact that certain protections do exist for individuals with disabilities, unsophisticated individuals, etc., whether they are tenants or parties to a contract. While I wouldn’t necessarily guess that vitiating factors would come into play here, who knows. Here, Strata is the sophisticated, powerful party (has access to lawyers, is able to draft the terms, etc.) while Jonathan is not (likely can’t afford a lawyer, has no bargaining power, etc.). On top of that, while Jonathan’s physical disabilities seem, well, nonexistent, he might have a mental disability (given his comment about attending a special program in school) and his mother is HoH. These things make the Yanivs even more vulnerable in comparison to Strata.
Whenever power imbalances crop up, there’s room for the court to intervene in the interests of fairness. Think courts of equity—not necessarily what the law says but what the law should do. Things could get complicated really quickly in a civil suit with either Yaniv if they wanted it to, even over something so simple as a fine.
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I just realized that JYs condo may actually let owners rent out units (quite a few condoning condo stratas have rules on how many rentals are allowed, it at all, in a development). In that case, the RTA can come into play if tenants enjoyment of their space is interrupted by JY and Mama Yaniv. If tenant can prove to RTA their claims, they go after the landlord, who then rolls shit downhill through the strata to JY. Looking at you Hawthorne strata...
I remember the Jordison case well, who tf names their kid Jordy Jordison?!
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Yaniv losing his condo wouldn't even be a loss for him, it'd act as a platform for him to indulge in his power/control fetish over vulnerable women by forcing himself into their shelters. I can imagine the "Woe is me" vlog updates on facebook, really because women in the shelter aren't walking around with their tits and vaginas out, but it'll go along the lines of "Nazis got me kicked out of my home because I'm too powerful an advocate in the LGBT!". Because he doesn't have a criminal record of being a sex offender, he'll engage in shelter tourism happily for as long as he can get away with it, getting the women who speak up about his harassing them kicked out of their beds for the crime of fearing for their safety and wanting to maintain their privacy and dignity. Homelessness would be his new victimhood and his vicious cycle would continue.
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Didn't a strata lawyer post on this very thread just days (hours? fire hose time) ago seeking info? Did I dream that?
Yes, still maintained. He's been kind of quiet about his maladies the last couple of days, though. I've been fearing an orthopedic tragedy of the sort that results when one stands on one's scooty seat to scrape off a sticker way up on a wall and some wicked toddler trundles by and hits the scooty's accelerator.
Yes, still maintained. He's been kind of quiet about his maladies the last couple of days, though. I've been fearing an orthopedic tragedy of the sort that results when one stands on one's scooty seat to scrape off a sticker way up on a wall and some wicked toddler trundles by and hits the scooty's accelerator.
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A strata lawyer was asking about the tribunal case on twitter a week and a half ago. That may be what you're thinking of. I don't recall anyone identifying as such actually posting to this thread, but I'm open to correction.
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Something is coming. Publicly sharing the news reports brazenly on their page. I suspect another hospital live, or mama Yaniv “takes over the page” and shares shattering news about JYs health while they’re unconscious or some shit.
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I think quite a few of those questions have been answered already. Others I can’t really guess at because I truly don’t understand what Jonathan thought he’d get out of this.
HRTs are quasi-judicial bodies that exist to improve access to justice for unsophisticated legal parties (parties who can’t access justice through traditional means, who can’t afford representation, etc.). The Member in charge of a Tribunal proceeding is essentially delegated a specific, narrow responsibility—decide cases pertaining to alleged human rights violations—and nothing more than that.
It’s not a small claims court, per se; while Jonathan is suing for damages, it’s in a human rights context (e.g. “This violation deprived me of an opportunity/humiliated me/disrespected my dignity/etc., for which I am asking for xyz,” not, “Jimmy stole my car and I am suing him for the value of my car to be made whole/be put in the place I would be had Jimmy not stolen my car”), which makes it difficult to quantify damages. In a lot of civil suits, there are a variety of standard formulas that can be used to determine payouts (Loss of opportunity/employment because doctor paralyzed you? Compensation could include, though not necessarily limited to, projected earnings—including raises, usually based off prior raises/trends for job or company—and bonuses, cost of care until court date and projected cost of care for X months/years into future, and maybe some %/magical formula for pain and suffering), but human rights is even more convoluted. That’s why Jonathan brought up lost wages—it’s something that has a value that third parties can actually ascertain without breaking out the divining rods.
He’s likely milking the “bullying” as well because it’s something the Tribunal will have dealt with in some capacity. How much do you pay out to someone who couldn’t get his balls waxed? Who the hell knows. But bullying? Especially alleged cyber bullying, alleged stalking, alleged threats? That stuff (when real) destroys lives. That’s the kind of thing a Member would be more likely to consider awarding damages for, not only for pain/suffering/whatever but also as a punishment to the bully and deterrent to everyone else. Don’t do this, or else you’ll pay.
The BCHRT is basically the only place I (a non BC resident) can think of that a person like Jonathan could go to for this nonsense. However, in Canada there’s also a lot of deference to proceedings like these. The idea is that even if a non-lawyer (e.g. a minister) is entrusted with a quasi-judicial role, if their role is well defined and their actions contained within the limits proscribed by their “home statute” (the legislation giving them power) they should be trusted to do their job unless there’s some palpable overriding error. That’s why appeals sometimes crash and burn. There’s a lot of deference, and while that should be putting pressure on these decision makers to not screw things up in the first place, it doesn’t always. Still, appeals have succeeded—just takes a bit of maneuvering that might seem weird to your internal sense of right and wrong/justice/fairness.
I think Jonathan is just ratcheting up the damage awards because he wants these vulnerable women to cave. He wants them to see these massive numbers and agree to negotiate a settlement. Luckily these women have legal representation, which might be why Jonathan is now slightly pivoting to also target the lawyer himself—neither the lawyer nor the Foundation are particularly popular, so while targeting vulnerable women has just made him look like the bully he is, he thinks he might be able to score some sympathy if he can turn it into powerful, evil, Christian Albertans vs poor, disabled trans woman in BC.
Of course, that’s backfiring gloriously, but I can see why he thinks it was worth a shot.
(This is intended as legal information, not advice.)
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I can look around tomorrow, but the publication ban will likely make that difficult. I’m also not a BC resident, so unfortunately I can’t do any legwork.
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Is Miriam calling the cops simply because she wants someone else to talk to besides Johnny?
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It is the sort of difficult task that can only be adequately addressed by a real court, not some junior varsity let's pretend court with no real rules.
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The casual ER trips are a constant in this social experiment, he does them when nothing is wrong, or everything around him is wrong, probably because staff is forced to touch him, which he gets off on. I'm sure he gets excited over the most mundane parts of a doctors visit, like having a nurse slip the blood pressure cuff over his gelatinous arms because they can't turn him away, they have to. It's a dopamine fix, and I think a greater motivator for him than the social media attention, which is still a factor.
His rearing resulting in who he is today has been mentioned often, because it's important to keep in mind that both he and his mother are raging narcopaths who are incapable of feeling empathy for their victims, or even the poor souls who have to deal with how disgusting they are in day to day activities. At least the retards who get drawn into the fat acceptance do so to assuage the crushing shame, and self consciousness of being a fat piece of shit in public that inconveniences everyone around them. Jonathan and his mother thrive on people accommodating them when their revulsion is evident, and feel a sick, vindictive impulse for "justice" at perceived slights as egregious as being told "no". Why pay a prostitute for a handy and to call him "she" when he can get paid by well meaning people, who aren't sex workers, for refusing to do the same? Posting the news articles is another dopamine fix for him, he's put these women in a position where they can't ignore him, they have to face his warped sense of justice for telling him no.
Like the eye of sauron, Jonathan has been conditioned by his mother to believe he's entitled to all of these things, and losing in court/the ring being destroyed, has never been a possibility that entered his mind and to this day still hasn't. Posting the articles is something akin to sharing pictures of a head hunting trophy. Something, something, gods chosen people.
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Yeah win or lose I'm expecting a big finale. Either thanking the court from his death bed, all tubed up with camera at the ready for a beguiling DeMille closeup, for helping him fight discrimination OR a major collapse, legs akimbo, slumped over his poor dog with momma banging furiously on his door amid sirens wailing, ER furiously prepping, the end result being the doctors still mystified as to the cause.
Whatever the court decides he'll milk it. jonny will have another day in the spotlight.
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Well, one of the justifications for deference of "real courts" to tribunals is that the latter are thought to have expertise specific to their (by comparison to "real courts") narrowly defined purviews. So I guess that the BCHRT members are just considered to be way more woke than actual judges and better equipped to quantify hurt feels.