Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

If anything, this is a reason to excise the entire cancerous U.S. "anime industry," cut out the middleman, and only buy straight from Japan. Rev up fansubs and fandubs, and distribute them as subtitle files or separate audio tracks like Rifftrax does.

That obviously isn't always possible but still, it's entirely possible to divert as much money as possible away from these thugs and parasites and toward the actual creators, who are in Japan.

I wouldn't mark all of them off as bad. The US Dubbing industry definitely helps get more exposure for the Anime community. I would say if the employee cant keep their politics and work separate then they dont need to work there. Also if they dont even attempt to care about the line of work they are in as well.
 
I wouldn't mark all of them off as bad. The US Dubbing industry definitely helps get more exposure for the Anime community. I would say if the employee cant keep their politics and work separate then they dont need to work there. Also if they dont even attempt to care about the line of work they are in as well.
The problem is the entire industry model needs to be rebuilt. The business model is still from the early 90s, they pay a small one time fee for all but the biggest shows, and no matter how successful it is, the actual creators don't get anything else, and that fee is usually only enough to pay for half an episode, or one full episode if it's a longer series. It's a model from back in the days when there wasn't much of a market for anime and it was a major gamble and often still didn't pay off despite the small payment, which clearly isn't the case today.
 
Crossposting from the main WeebWars thread https://kiwifarms.net/threads/weeb-wars-animegate-kickvic-vickicksback.53670/post-5024410

Greg Doucette is saying that MoRon has filed their TCPA, with 490 pages of exhibits
A guarantee of what’s in those affidavits and pages:

More he said she said acccounts
More accounts of stories that occurred at places Vic wasn’t near or around
More dream rape

A bunch of stories derailed by Monica’s key witness who just sent his own affidavit to BHBH

A Nice little train wreck of a TCPA for cuck lightyear to misinterpret along with all his first amendment “expert” losses in court.
 
The problem is the entire industry model needs to be rebuilt. The business model is still from the early 90s, they pay a small one time fee for all but the biggest shows, and no matter how successful it is, the actual creators don't get anything else, and that fee is usually only enough to pay for half an episode, or one full episode if it's a longer series. It's a model from back in the days when there wasn't much of a market for anime and it was a major gamble and often still didn't pay off despite the small payment, which clearly isn't the case today.

Truthfully, we don't "really" know what the financials for CR or even Funi look like. They clearly have solid revenue streams, but, well, when you're bought out by another company and they tell people all about your unique customer impressions and revenues and total streams, but not how much profit was made...there's usually a reason.
 
I'll enjoy reading Ron and Monica's TCPA ... or at least skimming it. Based on what I've seen so far, Vic should defeat both motions handily. I'm feeling more confident (from not at all confident) in Vic defeating Funimation's motion based on this gem from Monica:

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It gives Vic evidence to argue a prima facie case exists regarding Funimation's vicarious liability for the defamatory actions of Monica (e.g., Monica's "tweets" were connected to Funimation's business interests and fell within the course and scope of her employment at Funimation--Vic will need to defeat the independent contractor argument, but I don't see that as hard). He can also argue that this email shows that Funimation could have exercised control over Monica's tweets if it had chosen to respond to her inquiries.

On the other hand, I think after Vic's deposition, and this may be an unpopular opinion, I think his deposition testimony may have tanked his case against Jaime Marchi. In paragraph 29 of the complaint, he plead,

Two days later, Jamie tweeted that Vic had assaulted her several years prior by grabbing her hair and whispering in her ear (what he whispered she couldn’t remember), that “in the last week or so, I’ve heard accounts of him doing this exact thing to half a dozen other women that I personally know,” and that Vic is a “predator.

Unlike the many, many tweets plead against Monica and Ron, with Jaimie we essentially, the one above and then the "I want his balls" tweet, which may have some evidentiary value in showing malice, but isn't defamatory on its own.

I felt that Vic could easily deny that he ever assaulted Jamie or grabbed her hair or whispered anything in his ear in conjunction with an assault that didn't happen. But what we got in Vic's deposition was the following:

Q. Is it your testimony today that you did not say something sexual into Ms. Marchi's ear at that moment that you're grabbing her hair?

A. Yes. Sorry.

Q. You're good.

A. Yes, it is, absolutely.

Q. Do you recall if you said anything into her ear?

A. I don't recall that I said anything. If I did, it was literally something about, ooh, I love your hair, or, love it, it's awesome. You know, it was that kind of a thing.

I mean, Jaime said he assaulted her by pulling her hair and whispering something in her ear. And Vic admits that he pulled her hair and may have whispered something in her ear. He argues there was no pain and she's taking it out of context, but what she said there is truth. As for being a predatory, without more, the Court is going to find that's a matter of opinion, not fact. If she said he's a predator, because he rapes women or something, then it would be a factual issue. And we can argue the number, but Vic testified that to a number of situations where he may have touched a woman's hair.

For Jaime, I don't see defamation. I see her being nasty and twisting what happened. I doubt she was in any way offended by what happened. But I think Vic is going to have trouble beating a TCPA by Jaime at this point.

As for Monica and Ron, they are the gift that keeps on giving. I don't see how they get out via a TCPA motion. I think these two are in it for the long haul.
 
I'll enjoy reading Ron and Monica's TCPA ... or at least skimming it. Based on what I've seen so far, Vic should defeat both motions handily. I'm feeling more confident (from not at all confident) in Vic defeating Funimation's motion based on this gem from Monica:

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It gives Vic evidence to argue a prima facie case exists regarding Funimation's vicarious liability for the defamatory actions of Monica (e.g., Monica's "tweets" were connected to Funimation's business interests and fell within the course and scope of her employment at Funimation--Vic will need to defeat the independent contractor argument, but I don't see that as hard). He can also argue that this email shows that Funimation could have exercised control over Monica's tweets if it had chosen to respond to her inquiries.

On the other hand, I think after Vic's deposition, and this may be an unpopular opinion, I think his deposition testimony may have tanked his case against Jaime Marchi. In paragraph 29 of the complaint, he plead,

Unlike the many, many tweets plead against Monica and Ron, with Jaimie we essentially, the one above and then the "I want his balls" tweet, which may have some evidentiary value in showing malice, but isn't defamatory on its own.

I felt that Vic could easily deny that he ever assaulted Jamie or grabbed her hair or whispered anything in his ear in conjunction with an assault that didn't happen. But what we got in Vic's deposition was the following:

I mean, Jaime said he assaulted her by pulling her hair and whispering something in her ear. And Vic admits that he pulled her hair and may have whispered something in her ear. He argues there was no pain and she's taking it out of context, but what she said there is truth. As for being a predatory, without more, the Court is going to find that's a matter of opinion, not fact. If she said he's a predator, because he rapes women or something, then it would be a factual issue. And we can argue the number, but Vic testified that to a number of situations where he may have touched a woman's hair.

For Jaime, I don't see defamation. I see her being nasty and twisting what happened. I doubt she was in any way offended by what happened. But I think Vic is going to have trouble beating a TCPA by Jaime at this point.

As for Monica and Ron, they are the gift that keeps on giving. I don't see how they get out via a TCPA motion. I think these two are in it for the long haul.
Concerning Jamie, you think someone can happen similar to what happened with Funimation?

Before, you weren't feeling confident with Funimation's TCPA (and neither was @AnOminous, at least in relationship to civil conspiracy). Your opinion changed upon seeing that email.

Think something similar can happen to Jamie's case? Just curious because I've only seen you in the actual lawsuit thread, and not in Weeb Wars. There's some interesting screenshots of discord servers that may be Jamie, and so on.
 
For Jaime, I don't see defamation. I see her being nasty and twisting what happened. I doubt she was in any way offended by what happened. But I think Vic is going to have trouble beating a TCPA by Jaime at this point.

How? The court would have to make the factual determination that Jamie is credible and Vic isn't. That's not a question of law or the sufficiency of the complaint. It's an actual fact finding that Jamie is telling the truth and Vic is lying.

The court is supposed to assume any factual allegation of the plaintiff is true for the purpose of the motion and interpret all factual disputes in favor of the nonmoving party.

(My problem with the complaint is it literally doesn't actually attribute any specific defamatory statements to Marchi. That is an issue.)
 
How? The court would have to make the factual determination that Jamie is credible and Vic isn't. That's not a question of law or the sufficiency of the complaint. It's an actual fact finding that Jamie is telling the truth and Vic is lying.

The court is supposed to assume any factual allegation of the plaintiff is true for the purpose of the motion and interpret all factual disputes in favor of the nonmoving party.

(My problem with the complaint is it literally doesn't actually attribute any specific defamatory statements to Marchi. That is an issue.)

There is the vicarious liability issue though. Marchi came across hard as being involved in what Ron and Monica were up too. Does Ty need to prove defamation at this point? I always figured he just needs to prove that he can maybe prove it to clear the hurdle.
 
There is the vicarious liability issue though. Marchi came across hard as being involved in what Ron and Monica were up too. Does Ty need to prove defamation at this point? I always figured he just needs to prove that he can maybe prove it to clear the hurdle.

That's pretty much it. Still, the complaint needs to allege something sufficient to establish that. We'll see what happens. All the facts are in there in the record, or will be, and the interrogatories ask about specific statements Marchi made. They aren't, however, cited in the complaint itself and attributed to Marchi.
 
How? The court would have to make the factual determination that Jamie is credible and Vic isn't. That's not a question of law or the sufficiency of the complaint. It's an actual fact finding that Jamie is telling the truth and Vic is lying.

You argue that for Vic to lose vis a vis Jaimie, “the court would have to make the factual determination that Jamie is credible and Vic isn't.” I disagree. Looking at this specific statement, which unless I'm missing something is the key allegation of defamation against Jaimie Marchi:

Two days later, Jamie tweeted that Vic had assaulted her several years prior by grabbing her hair and whispering in her ear (what he whispered she couldn’t remember), that “in the last week or so, I’ve heard accounts of him doing this exact thing to half a dozen other women that I personally know,” and that Vic is a “predator.” Paragraph 29 of the Complaint.

In the above statement, when Jaimie claims Vic assaulted her, she defines this as “Vic grabbed her hair and whispered in her ear words that she can’t remember. She then says that he did the exact same thing to a half dozen other women that she personally knows, and that Vic is a “predator.”

The Court needs to find that Vic can raise a prima facie case that Jaimie made a false statement or fact about Vic to a third party, which caused him reputational or material harm. I’m leaving aside any requirement of malice for the moment. To do this, Vic can’t change his deposition testimony and in my opinion, based on Vic’s deposition testimony, the Court doesn’t have to make a factual determination here, because Vic admits that Jamie’s statement is substantially true.

Vic testified under oath that she mischaracterized or took out of context what happened. Specifically, he took issue the word pulling hair, because it sounds like there was a fight with somebody and that was not the intent. He explained that he just “put my hand up in the bottom of it and I'm like, oh, this is great. It was not painful, it was not hurtful, it was not sexual, and it happened at least four or five years ago, maybe longer.”

I don’t see an argument that he didn’t grab her hair, rather he merely put his hand up in the bottom of it as raising a prima facie case of falsity regarding her statement. You are right that the Court can’t determine who lied or who told the truth, but when both parties essentially agree on the facts, then the Court can call a strike.

The other issue is her claim that she had heard from other women that Vic did the same thing. Again, Vic admits in deposition that he has touched women’s hair before. I see nothing wrong with what Vic has done. I see no predatory tendencies. But I’m looking at what Jaimie Marchi is alleged to have said in the complaint and I don’t see defamation. In this context, “predator” doesn’t rise to the level of a factual statement. The Court will find that she expressed her opinion that in the context of pulling woman’s hair, Vic is a predator.

I’ll go a step further. Saying that someone grabbed her hair and whispered something in her ear probably isn’t defamatory in any sense. But I think in the context of everything going on and the addition of this makes him a predator, it arguably rises to the level of defamation if it’s a lie and he never did these things. But I don’t think quibbling over the meaning of “grab” vice “lifted” is going to work if you admit that you did touch her hair and may have whispered something in her ear.

Concerning Jamie, you think someone can happen similar to what happened with Funimation?

Before, you weren't feeling confident with Funimation's TCPA (and neither was @AnOminous, at least in relationship to civil conspiracy). Your opinion changed upon seeing that email.

Think something similar can happen to Jamie's case? Just curious because I've only seen you in the actual lawsuit thread, and not in Weeb Wars. There's some interesting screenshots of discord servers that may be Jamie, and so on.

You're right. I'm still not "confident" about Vic's ability to defeat Funimation's TCPA, but I feel better about it. In the complaint, Vic alleges an agency relationship between Funimation and Monica as well as vicarious liability. Vic doesn't lay out the specific factual basis for the agency relationship or vicarious liability except in broad legal terms.

This is fine, because Texas is a notice pleading state and those allegations put Funimation on notice of what it's supposed to answer for. I would argue that the letter from Monica to Funimation supports the Vic's vicarious liability theory. To my mind, it shows that her tweets are used to enhance her reputation and that of Funimation and that her tweets were done was part of her work with Funimation. And that the letter shows she was consulting with Funimation on whether to tweet or not, which shows some level of control by Funimation over her tweets.

But when we talk about Jamie Marchi (and you're right, I haven't reviewed the Weeb Wars thread with the kind of intensity I give to the pleadings), I'm focusing on the defamation cause of action.

Even though Texas is a notice pleading state, defamation and libel require a bit more in terms of pleading because of First Amendment Constitutional issues (and the existence of the anti-SLAPP statute). Generally, the Court is going to look at what Vic plead Jaimie said in the complaint. It's unlikely to consider alleged defamatory statements that weren't plead in the complaint.

I think one reason Monica and Ron canceled the hearing on their special exceptions was to cock block Ty's ability to amend the complaint via his filed First Amended Complaint. You can't amend without leave of Court and if they had a hearing on the special exceptions, the Court would surely have granted leave.

We're wandering into the thickets and the legal issues can be subtle and complex. Ultimately, I think AnOminous and I would both agree that Vic has a stronger case against Monica and Ron. And I think that we would both agree that Vic's case against Funimation and Jaimie is weaker to an extent.

We probably disagree on where those weaknesses lie and exactly how the Court will rule on certain legal issues. This is especially true as we haven't seen any of those motions fully briefed yet. It's all speculation on my part.

I will say this though, I have been converted from a neutral bystander to someone who desperately wants to see Funimation, Jaimie, Monica, and Ron lose their TCPA motions and have to face a Texas jury. As far as I'm concerned, the TCPA motions are the ticket into the ball game.[/i]
 
You argue that for Vic to lose vis a vis Jaimie, “the court would have to make the factual determination that Jamie is credible and Vic isn't.” I disagree. Looking at this specific statement, which unless I'm missing something is the key allegation of defamation against Jaimie Marchi:

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I'm pretty sure the defense is going to make an argument along these lines. I don't think it's dispositive, although I have issues with the general form of the complaint re Marchi. I think the fact that Marchi, much like Monica, didn't report this supposedly major event to Funimation but that it only became an issue later.

I think it is also a factual dispute that Marchi deliberately exaggerated the incident in order to make it appear predatory, when there was in fact nothing offensive about the contact. It was not an assault, sexual or otherwise.
 
I'm pretty sure the defense is going to make an argument along these lines. I don't think it's dispositive, although I have issues with the general form of the complaint re Marchi. I think the fact that Marchi, much like Monica, didn't report this supposedly major event to Funimation but that it only became an issue later.

I think it is also a factual dispute that Marchi deliberately exaggerated the incident in order to make it appear predatory, when there was in fact nothing offensive about the contact. It was not an assault, sexual or otherwise.
So all things assumed to be equal, its "he said, she said", with the courts assuming the side of the plaintiff for the purpose of determining whether there MAY be a case?
 
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So all things assumed to be equal, its "he said, she said", with the courts assuming the side of the plaintiff for the purpose of determining whether there MAY be a case?

That's my opinion, but the only person whose opinion actually matters is Judge Chupp's. It's not an insane argument to say look, the parties are in agreement as to the material facts about this incident. Without a dispute of material fact, the issue is a matter of law and the judge can decide it.
 
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