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The OP gives me migraines sometimes and I hope he knows that
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I try not to think about politics, it can muddy things up between people sometimes.
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Sums up Deep Thoughts pretty well.
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So as far as politics go, I'm somewhere between civic nationalist and ethno-majorist.
I'm a western chauvinist, even as far as being able to justify in my mind that colonialism was more a force for good in the world than a force for evil. If you look at the long 20th century, a lot of the great evils visited in parts of the world formerly under colonial rule, we're visited after the fact. And while the system was brutal and repressive in some parts of it administration, and definitely racist in others, it brought language, christian philosophy, technology, and a common rule of law to parts of the world that otherwise, or are still stuck in form of the dark ages.
That said there are many things to appreciate about foreign cultures and how they changed our own western nations through their interaction. There is such a thing as cultural enrichment, without having to take or respect every aspect of that culture as equal though, and there are many examples still of how even now lumbering under the weight of demographic changes, the failure of politics, subversion from fifth columns, and the death rattles of some of our own treasured cultural institutions, the western systems of government are still better than anywhere else in the world, that hasn't adopted it influences heavily. (Part of Asia & Japan)
That said do I think white have a cultural imperative to be the top of the world food chain?
No. They are there because of the dynamic movements and sacrifices of those cultures, including massive amounts of time, and bloodshed to have created the societies that existed in the 19th century and slowly imploded themselves in the 20th. (The Great War was the end of this period of Empire expansion, and things began to constrict from there.)
They were successful because they were unapologetic and advantageous, explorers, traders, and conquerors, and they got their first, they industrialized first. And this is the white privilege SJW's love to harp on about, the fact that they worked for it and succeeded.
Now that said, I do believe countries that are a majority white should attempt to stay a majority white. Just as I'd advocate that a majority black country should maintain it's majority, as is the right of any other nation on earth.
While immigration from the 3rd world in small amounts helps strengthen a countries economy, it doesn't help the global economy in the long run, because it saps the best and most brightest of those developing countries in effect retarding development in those countries. If anything it creates more global poverty.
Again I support meritocracy, if you want to move to a country where there is nothing and create something you should be allowed to and celebrated for it. This was the exact pioneer spirit that built the modern world.
Where Western nations tend to get this wrong is that they tend to get the bottom of the churn not the cream at the top.
Most the migrants that come to countries for economic reasons from 3rd world countries do no put more into the system than they take out. They're a net loss, and cause an already bloated welfare system to constantly require more inputs. Which leads inevitably to higher taxes, more government controls, more unnecessary spending.
All in what I see as a sad attempt to seemingly pay reparations to the post colonial world, by transferring massive amounts of wealth from Europe/North America to the rest of the world.
Also without adequate integration policies, the incoming groups bring with them a whole host of social problems which aren't dealt with. Old world rivalries, criminal activities, intolerance ingrained in their home cultures, like forced marriages, female genital mutilation, terrorism, accepted spousal abuse, rape cultures. All the while living in a duality where the two societies, host and non-host hardly interact.
Personally I don't believe there is such a thing as perfect cultural integration, nor would I want that to happen.
Every culture should be allowed to have it's differences, or create new cultures, that a perfectly reasonable aspect of human social evolution. However enough of an interchange needs to take place to allow at least for a level of tolerable acceptable behaviour between all groups of people, and it's up to the dominant culture to enforce that.
In my opinion the Swiss have the closest thing to a working true democracy in that sense that I've seen, where it empowers the cantons and the federal government has less power. People are allowed to vote directly in referendum, and Swiss civics (nationalism light) is drilled into most of them. They're also a fairly interesting melting pot of French, German-Austrian, and Italian culture. They all have those separate cultures firmly ingrained in them, but at the same time are Swiss and have that higher identity as well.
As for white nationalist, fascist, etc. I'm sorry to say but anyone who believes in this wholeheartedly and thinks a mass conversion will happen, people mass adopting is delusional. Fascism works on a temporary basis, but ultimately fails, Franco and Portugal showed this. No one will ever seriously vote in a Nazi platform again, unless there is major economic upheavals/governmental collapses.
I'm a western chauvinist, even as far as being able to justify in my mind that colonialism was more a force for good in the world than a force for evil. If you look at the long 20th century, a lot of the great evils visited in parts of the world formerly under colonial rule, we're visited after the fact. And while the system was brutal and repressive in some parts of it administration, and definitely racist in others, it brought language, christian philosophy, technology, and a common rule of law to parts of the world that otherwise, or are still stuck in form of the dark ages.
That said there are many things to appreciate about foreign cultures and how they changed our own western nations through their interaction. There is such a thing as cultural enrichment, without having to take or respect every aspect of that culture as equal though, and there are many examples still of how even now lumbering under the weight of demographic changes, the failure of politics, subversion from fifth columns, and the death rattles of some of our own treasured cultural institutions, the western systems of government are still better than anywhere else in the world, that hasn't adopted it influences heavily. (Part of Asia & Japan)
That said do I think white have a cultural imperative to be the top of the world food chain?
No. They are there because of the dynamic movements and sacrifices of those cultures, including massive amounts of time, and bloodshed to have created the societies that existed in the 19th century and slowly imploded themselves in the 20th. (The Great War was the end of this period of Empire expansion, and things began to constrict from there.)
They were successful because they were unapologetic and advantageous, explorers, traders, and conquerors, and they got their first, they industrialized first. And this is the white privilege SJW's love to harp on about, the fact that they worked for it and succeeded.
Now that said, I do believe countries that are a majority white should attempt to stay a majority white. Just as I'd advocate that a majority black country should maintain it's majority, as is the right of any other nation on earth.
While immigration from the 3rd world in small amounts helps strengthen a countries economy, it doesn't help the global economy in the long run, because it saps the best and most brightest of those developing countries in effect retarding development in those countries. If anything it creates more global poverty.
Again I support meritocracy, if you want to move to a country where there is nothing and create something you should be allowed to and celebrated for it. This was the exact pioneer spirit that built the modern world.
Where Western nations tend to get this wrong is that they tend to get the bottom of the churn not the cream at the top.
Most the migrants that come to countries for economic reasons from 3rd world countries do no put more into the system than they take out. They're a net loss, and cause an already bloated welfare system to constantly require more inputs. Which leads inevitably to higher taxes, more government controls, more unnecessary spending.
All in what I see as a sad attempt to seemingly pay reparations to the post colonial world, by transferring massive amounts of wealth from Europe/North America to the rest of the world.
Also without adequate integration policies, the incoming groups bring with them a whole host of social problems which aren't dealt with. Old world rivalries, criminal activities, intolerance ingrained in their home cultures, like forced marriages, female genital mutilation, terrorism, accepted spousal abuse, rape cultures. All the while living in a duality where the two societies, host and non-host hardly interact.
Personally I don't believe there is such a thing as perfect cultural integration, nor would I want that to happen.
Every culture should be allowed to have it's differences, or create new cultures, that a perfectly reasonable aspect of human social evolution. However enough of an interchange needs to take place to allow at least for a level of tolerable acceptable behaviour between all groups of people, and it's up to the dominant culture to enforce that.
In my opinion the Swiss have the closest thing to a working true democracy in that sense that I've seen, where it empowers the cantons and the federal government has less power. People are allowed to vote directly in referendum, and Swiss civics (nationalism light) is drilled into most of them. They're also a fairly interesting melting pot of French, German-Austrian, and Italian culture. They all have those separate cultures firmly ingrained in them, but at the same time are Swiss and have that higher identity as well.
As for white nationalist, fascist, etc. I'm sorry to say but anyone who believes in this wholeheartedly and thinks a mass conversion will happen, people mass adopting is delusional. Fascism works on a temporary basis, but ultimately fails, Franco and Portugal showed this. No one will ever seriously vote in a Nazi platform again, unless there is major economic upheavals/governmental collapses.
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Could one of the oldfags on here let me know how common threads like this used to be? I only started lurking a couple of months back but even then it seemed there were far fewer of these threads where people are looking to identify with other weridos.
Though the "Does anyone else hate virtue signaling?" thread was a joy to behold.
Full disclosure though, I skirted by the trap of SStormfuckery since I spent a good 50% of my childhood with the History Channel playing in the background. By the time I became an edgy rebel teenager, I definitely didn't want to dress like the dumbasses who lost.
Though the "Does anyone else hate virtue signaling?" thread was a joy to behold.
Full disclosure though, I skirted by the trap of SStormfuckery since I spent a good 50% of my childhood with the History Channel playing in the background. By the time I became an edgy rebel teenager, I definitely didn't want to dress like the dumbasses who lost.
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It's fascinating. They're not part of the European Union, yet on every test their citizens score highest at knowing the details of what the European Union is.
Saddeningly, they're starting to march to the drumbeat of European regulations. They're already going towards more and more restrictive gun laws to please the EU.
I think there was a significant influx after Tarrant. I went back and lurked some of the oldest threads and it seemed more left-wing in general. With that said, deep thoughts is mostly a containment zone in the first place.
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That's a little bit after I started lurking, so the timeline fits. Was a pretty surreal moment seeing that thread just pop up and reading the details of it. I actually put my whiskey glass down for like an hour or two. I swear the recent /r9k/ murder probably had the same effect on a bunch of teenagers and overgrown emos since it hit closer to home for them.
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Dunno about racism, but I am a hegemonic expansionist, so all I know is The states are the best fuck all the rest. MaNiFeSt dEsTiNy! Divine providence gave us a solar bounty of orbital bodies and a head start on space travel for a reason people!
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If society becomes less comfortable overall and continues on its current path, I wouldn't rule out ethnically-motivated national socialism. Or something very similar.
Or we can just wait for a repeat of Haiti in 1804. That's only going to happen when whites are less than 50% of the U.S. population though.
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This but unironically. I don't really care what you look like or how degenerate you are so long as you CONQUER!
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What's gradually turning me into a white identitarian is the staggering double standards the media shows about crimes when whites are the victims.
Genocide of farmers in South Africa? Not happening, goy.
Sexual enslavement of 1400 white girls in Rotherham? Race isn't an issue, but do blame all men, particularly white ones. Even though the men in question clearly believed that white girls were subhuman.
Jeffrey Epstein deliberately targeted blonde girls and avoiding Jewish ones? You're a Nazi for noticing he was Jewish and his victims were not. However all white men are entitled predators.
Meanwhile when any white person says anything which can be construed as remotely racist in the most uncharitable interpretation the media is full of people talking about 'toxic white cismale NeoNazi privilege'. Black guy killed by the cops? Same thing. Even though in literally every single case it turns out black guy was a violent criminal committing a violent crime, and more often than not the cop wasn't even white.
And the thing that drives me nuts about it is that the majority of the time it's some bourgeois white girl writing this shit and she's not so much anti white as anti Dad. I.e. Dad paid for her grievance studies degree, she got a job with some shit tier company like Vice, the BBC or the Guardian and now she's on a mission to write shit to give dear old Dad a migraine.
Genocide of farmers in South Africa? Not happening, goy.
Sexual enslavement of 1400 white girls in Rotherham? Race isn't an issue, but do blame all men, particularly white ones. Even though the men in question clearly believed that white girls were subhuman.
Jeffrey Epstein deliberately targeted blonde girls and avoiding Jewish ones? You're a Nazi for noticing he was Jewish and his victims were not. However all white men are entitled predators.
Meanwhile when any white person says anything which can be construed as remotely racist in the most uncharitable interpretation the media is full of people talking about 'toxic white cismale NeoNazi privilege'. Black guy killed by the cops? Same thing. Even though in literally every single case it turns out black guy was a violent criminal committing a violent crime, and more often than not the cop wasn't even white.
And the thing that drives me nuts about it is that the majority of the time it's some bourgeois white girl writing this shit and she's not so much anti white as anti Dad. I.e. Dad paid for her grievance studies degree, she got a job with some shit tier company like Vice, the BBC or the Guardian and now she's on a mission to write shit to give dear old Dad a migraine.
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Imagine posting on a libertine site like KF while also believing that the state should take the role of a racist nanny.
But all of this is being pushed by white liberals.
But all of this is being pushed by white liberals.
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Hey I don't disagree. See my final paragraph.
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I'm a libertarian - just like all the rest of you chucklefucks in this thread.
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I just don't want to be culturally enriched with AIDs riddled, click-clack tongue speaking doctors. I don't trust their credentials.
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Yes. I don't like that either. The Swiss aren't perfect, but as far a a people go, I've found them to be the closest to what I think a well structured society should look like. The fact the EU is trying to impose restrictions, especially on gun ownership should be a big red flag to any nation, especially one that is technically outside it.
As for influxes, there definitely has been more of a flavor to these sort of political questions in deep thoughts post New Zealand, but the Farms unfortunately attracts all sorts of people who think it's going to be something other than what it truly is, an internet place open to free speech and free criticism, where you can laugh at lolcows and not get booted for it.
I don't see this happening in the case of a collapse. I don't rule it out either, but for national socialism to become the defacto government and not say some other form of right wing philosophy, it would require there to be a strong and growing political establishment, as well as an embrace of national socialist ideals over other political philosophies.
If you follow the rise of the original Nazi party, it's a much more interesting tale of political maneuvering and brinkmanship than most people realize. As far as real power though, the party really didn't come into it's own until Hitler consolidated his power by having Rohm killed, the SA neutered, and allow Himler to follow his vision of establishing the Schutzstaffel as the new political/party elite.
Personally in a situation of complete collapse we will see a return to feudalism. In terms of racially motivated violence, the group that will survive will be the one that is better organised and better supplied, even if they are outnumbered.
Rhodesia collapsed because larger world powers abandoned support for it, and forced South Africa to follow. Mugabe was largely ineffective as a combat leader, though his irregulars had Soviet and Soviet allied money and support coming in.
Even Haiti wasn't expressly a white v black massacre, it was more or less ex-slaves motivated by their leader to get revenge on the Creoles who had supported the institution of slavery, and had fought to keep it in place.
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Generally, the people who discriminate against you based on race or sex will never be as dangerous as those who do not. Your narccisist is waitng for you.