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Witness “testimony” is one thing, people can have biases or be straight up crazy.

What does it for me, is the lack of, shall we say, electronic evidence.

Text messages, etc. don’t lie. (Or ok, they can, but you know what I mean!)

Despite Vic being a boomer, there’s no way he could have banged and mistreated dozens of girls without at least a: “My roomnumber is #301, come on by!

Or

Thanks for last night, do NOT say anything to anyone about it or things could get ugly.”

But what do we get? Nada. Not even somebody writing their friend: “OMG! You’ll never guess what happened last night!

Instead it’s all second hand BS, and I heard someone say that...

Well, maybe they should find that someone? What does it tell you that they didn’t?

Thats the biggest factor for me. Theres not a single text, phone call log, voice mail, email, nothing. I've still got text messages from over 4 years ago that I thought were probably worth holding onto. Still got nudes chicks sent me in college over a decade ago in my email archives lol. If these bitches were truly creeped out or felt assaulted or anything like that, they would have piles of digital evidence. Not heresay, not testimony of a situation that describes the opposite of a rapist, etc. Hell, one of the rumors was he was giving out his phone number to young girls. Has anyone even produced evidence that they have his private number? (assuming its not public, I don't actually know)
 
I'm all for their lies becoming public record.
Wasn’t that the plan all along? Mission accomplished?

Yaknow, the longer this fiasco continues, the more my suspicion grows that Moronica are not actually exceptional, but outright clinical.
I mean, their stories do not even make sense when self-confined, let alone when exposed to the real world. they make the freaking bible look like a well-written cohesive story in comparison.

Honestly, their best bet in this case is to plead insanity, because its more likely to work than this shitty TCPA (and honestly, the TCPA filing only strengthen the insanity plea...)
Are you saying that the Rials are the Zoe Quinn of this saga? Because Zoe led to things ending up how they did by exploiting a very corrupt landscape.

I think it's most likely that Vic's encounters were all consensual.

That said, what I am beginning to understand is why the people who worked with or around Vic started to hate him. A lot of people, especially women, are going to feel a bit of empathy for someone in a relationship with a significant other that is brazenly cheating on them. My guess is that it just got to a point where they just despised him for it and wanted him gone.
Still sounds like jealousy to me. Imagine working with a handsome, super great guy who will fuck almost anything but you. Which is what I hope this all stems from since it then makes Ron angry Vic didn't fuck his wife.
Didn’t Nick and people here say that this was professional jealousy? You have a guy whose biggest role was not only a decade ago, but considered to be a gold standard of dubbing. And he’s now the darling of the anime community, and not (insert actor here), star of the anime of the now and/or an anime that’s responsible for you being at a convention in the first place. I refrain from saying corporate darling because that’s visiting the Toei rumor mill.

Their TCPA in and of itself establishes that the defendants intentions are malicious in nature. Now, due to it being privileged it may not be able to be used against them in an official capacity, but any sane individual can see the writing on the wall just by reading the cover page alone. I'm almost confident that the judge will see this as well, and their little stunt they pulled with their shitshow of a TCPA filing will come back to bite them in the ass.
What does privileged mean? That Ty and his crew can’t refute anything and everything in it?

I never followed RWBY past the first 3 seasons. The whole charm of it was that they literally used 3d custom girl to animate their waifus. It was a full on passion project and it came through in it. That picture looks like generic action magical girl shit. No wonder nobody is watching it.
Pretty much went to shit when Oum died. You can clearly see the transition since everything starts going downhill in every aspect from the second half of the third season.
You could say it was generic anime shit from day 1. Back then, it was high school stuff, now it’s epic adventure after what you knew is destroyed. And it’s not like the writing was ever good. The shift in V3 was after what you could say was a badly done tournament arc.

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Not surprised given his apology from that one con when this broke.

I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but their particular form antagonism towards Christianity is a throwback
to the Bush era reaction against conservative Christians. The anime industry seems to be trapped in 2008 culture.
Nick has stated that Funimation probably has the best chance of winning on TCPA, which I'm inclined to agree with.
However, as more and more info about the Funimation show trial investigation of Vic starts to trickle out, their case is also beginning to look a bit shaky.
It is incredibly difficult, but Toye being a fucking moron really helps with that.

Toye not bothering to confirm the identities of anyone on a forum called pretty ugly little liars and just electing to believe anonymous internet postings from it without making any attempt to verify that it's even more than one person goes beyond negligent. Publishing based wholely on unverified anonymous testimony is actually one of the few things that get you there. Now you could say Toye's publishings weren't based wholely upon that, but he has made other statements that are (100s of wamen, relies on that.). His little I do not recall spiel also means he can't claim to have believed them 100% at the time of publishing. He can say he believes them now, but that's not all that matters.

I suspect that will be enough to overcome actual malice, at least for the purposes of the TCPA. I could certainly be 100% wrong.

For Monica, since Vic's position is that she's currently lying about their alleged encounter in a hotel room, maintaining the lie would probably be to be knowingly and willfully lying. His claims that Marchi is lying are a little less solid because it's more interpretive of a root event that both people claim happened.

I think Marchi wins her TCPA. Funi is a toss up. I think Monica might have the worst shot at TCPA actually. Since Vic is alleging that she's lying, her alleged lying would be knowing and willful unless she's insane. Ron probably loses his for being a complete dumbass and admitting that he used anonymous sourcing froma forum with liars in the title, believed it unquestioningly, and proceeded to prevent himself from being able to claim he believed them 100% at the time he published them.
Aren’t Monica and Ron joined at the hip as defendants though? If anything, Monica May cancel out Ron for not being as jarringly bad.

I suspect Jamie is the most practical of them who has actually had to hustle in life a bit. I suspect when actual consequences came into play her first priority became making sure she wasn't part of them rather than public sympathy and trying to further smear Vic.
Jamie said she wanted Vic’s balls. And she looked like meant it and still does. Also, there was the process dodging multiple times and the Discord leaks. She’ll double down as well.

He's a strip mall attorney whose practice is similar to Nicks. He represents people who got DUI's, arrested for shoplifting, petty assaults etc. Basically he has alot of experience with clients who are Fucked with a capital "F". Monica and Ron went online and went to find some slick corporate lawyers with fancy office buildings and expensive "super lawyer" credentials. That type of Attorney is fine...if you are willing to blow through 100,000 dollars in the span of a few months. They are able to pull on tremendous assets to get you out of trouble. But Monica and Ron can't pay for those services so they are getting the absolute bare fucking minimum effort out of their attorneys.
Isn’t there some kind of code like a Hippocratic path where you have to do your damndest to the best of your ability to your client? Being a lawyer must be fun.

She cosplayed as Edward Elric and tied herself up as a gift to Roy Mustang.

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Wasn’t Ed/Roy the alleged Patient Zero of this shit. Also, that is some prime mid 2000s cringe that sign. Please tell me fujoshis aren’t that bad when it comes to wanting to see two anime dudes (even if they hate each other) fuck no strings attached. Also, at least dye your hair or get a wig, lady! At least put in some effort!

Been thinking about Rooster Teeth.

They are sister studio's to Crunchy Roll and Cartoon Network/Adult Swim. How many contacts do you think they have in the anime industry? If they have the contacts then Rooster Teeth has the facilities to do dubbing. And since Funimation's reputation will be marred by this debacle, well, there might be an opportunity for a new company to do anime.

Also Rooster Teeth is quiet because they aren't getting sued. They figure they are all covered legally.

I had figured that RT would back down because the overtime problems, this whole lawsuit going to shit on their side, and finally a subscription price increase to add insult to injury.

But they hired a voice actor to replace Vic and they cropped Qrow out of the iTunes banner.

So I'm guessing they will have to be looking down the barrel of a lawsuit before they change anything.

By then it will be too late. Their flagship show will be marred by this controversy. Their reputation will be destroyed because management stood by as their company was weaponized against an innocent man.

I hope it was worth it Rooster Teeth. I really do.
While I think Rooster Teeth as a company going down in flames or incurring the wrath of corporate overlords is unlikely, they didn’t need to fire Vic to hurt their reputation outside of their little bubble. Volumes 5 and 6 of RWBY did that on its own. A lot of good Will has been lost amongst the non diehards and volume 6 alone has some people putting RWBY and/or RT as a whole on #GetWokeGoBroke watch.

Looks like a petulant child. Holy fuck.
If you believe Rooster Teeth still runs things like it’s 2007, fitting description.
 
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What does privileged mean? That Ty and his crew can’t refute anything and everything in it?

It just means they can't be sued again or further based on the contents of it.**

Ty will get the opportunity to go through this piece of shit line by line and refute it.

It means they can't be sued for defamation. They can definitely be sanctioned by the court, or prosecuted for perjury if they perjured themselves.

thanks for the correction.
 
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Otherwise they surely would have included the cosfu/4chan rumors that go back as far as 09.

To an SJW, quoting 4chan is like quoting Hitler approvingly. And to be fair, it isn't exactly a reliable source. Of course, they chose instead to pick a site with "Liar" literally in its name.


So he has a resume that shows he was working somewhere else? And this is good enough to prove he was actually working at a place that denies he ever worked there or that they would have ever hired him?


Pretty sure Lemoine's office already has a fruit basket. Named Lemoine.

Random thought. Could Chupp make a motion to seal that TCPA filing, if he decides it was done in complete bad faith? If they can't cite the filing as it's not publicly available, it wouldn't be privileged, would it?

It would be pointless and Ty would have to ask for it. Ty isn't going to do something pointless. If he does anything it will be a motion to strike all the literally-whos who have nothing but hearsay. Inadmissible hearsay doesn't create a dispute of material fact.

Basically this. They would get absolutely dunpstered if some dangerhair fat cunt and her attorney went in there and said that this kind, gentle soul who stipulates in his contracts that he needs a room for a Sunday service with his fans, wasn't a "real Christian." Mind you, they'd be saying this to hardworking Texans, most of them affiliated with some version of protestantism themselves.

If they ever get in front of a jury, you can bet Ty will go into these issues. There is no way these freakshows will be able to conceal their absolute contempt for Christianity in general and Christians personally.

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There are a lot of words I'd use to describe this email from Specht but "humility" is nowhere on that list.

"The sole statement by Jamie that contains any statement of fact referring to Plaintiff that is susceptible to truth or falsity was borne of her need to tell her truth about what Plaintiff did to her."

"her truth"

When I hear the phrase "my truth" what I hear is "lie." How about the actual truth, you lying sack of shit?

Yeah, that's one of the weird things in all this. Vic apparently cheated on his fiancee regularly for years, including banging a bunch of cosplayers according to his ex-fiancee. Despite him having a strong hate base in the cosplay community going back to at least 2008, and him doing this for a decade, he apparently somehow managed to only fuck women who were okay with it being a one time thing or a brief fling, and would keep it a secret without boasting about it to their friends, or getting bitter and turning on him to go public with accusations.

Thots are thots. They'll talk shit on some guy whose dick they'd gladly jump on at the first opportunity.

It just means they can't be sanctioned for it in the court.

It means they can't be sued for defamation. They can definitely be sanctioned by the court, or prosecuted for perjury if they perjured themselves.
 
But the handlers talking about his behavior. Why would they lie?

The handlers might not be lying. The problem here is that we’ve not heard once from Iijima about harassment/stalking allegations pertaining to Vic; we’ve just heard about people reporting it, and it’s weird considering that Iijima went to events with Vic since then with no subsequent problems after that convention. Her contact information is available, and no affidavit has been obtained from her, despite her living in the United States. It might as well been someone who assumed that Iijima was being harassed and reported it. Much like MarzGurl misrepresenting Vic’s commentary to some of his fans.

Hopefully Ty could get on that.


Ummm, no. Not good enough?

Does he not realize that the dates overlap? Like the “vast array of freelance productions” since 1986? Meaning he could be in entirely different areas?

Nevermind the fact that him being in the area as someone else just means exactly that and nothing else.


Ummm, no. Not good enough?

Does he not realize that the dates overlap?

Then why are they filing the TCPA then, boss? If they wanted it all in public record?
 
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While I think Rooster Teeth as a company going down in flames or incurring the wrath of corporate overlords is unlikely, they didn’t need to fire Vic to hurt their reputation outside of their little bubble. Volumes 5 and 6 of RWBY did that on its own. A lot of good Will has been lost amongst the non diehards and volume 6 alone has some people putting RWBY and/or RT as a whole on #GetWokeGoBroke watch.

I get that people weren't happy with their content. But this is a step beyond bad content. This speaks to their ethics, values and morals. That they clearly didn't do anything resembling due process. The inmates are running the asylum and management decided that was a good idea.
 
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Cant do that. But he could get an affidavit from the girl in that picture saying she was not offended by the kiss on the cheek
But isn't that J from the ANN article?
I mean they could have made the quotes up and attributed it to photos of some chick wearing a zip up hoodie that posed that way with Vic. But that seems like a stretch.

They got busted for pictures with no quotes they ripped from Vic's fanpage. To "establish a pattern of behavior" or whatever.
 
What I find most damning is when the supposedly raped underage girls finally decided to speak up, they decided to communicate with these...organisms. Not to the police, not to a counselor, not even to BHBH to try and say "look, your client os a piece of shit ajd here's why." That leads me to believe that they don't exist. At all.
 
"Certainly none were made with malice-- only the intent to protect herself and others"

Oh, yeah, which is why she did literally nothing for decades, to the point that she never even pressed charges. Sure, okay.


"The sole statement by Jamie that contains any statement of fact referring to Plaintiff that is susceptible to truth or falsity was borne of her need to tell her truth about what Plaintiff did to her."

"her truth"

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Her discord activities may end up fucking her TCPA claim of no malice.
 
Wasn't a shitposts but that's fine. I'll just keep my feelings to myself

It just read like one, you don't see many posts like that around here. If its actually stressing you out, take a breather and go entertain yourself with something else for a while. Or just click this link.

The biggest things you should take note of are the lack of any kind of digital breadcrumbs, and that every story involving Vic ends in him understanding the concept of consent. These being words out of the mouths of people that hate him. Vic probably did try to hit up "Consluts" constantly, who the fuck wouldn't, but he very clearly stopped when people told him they weren't interested.

Also this case is for defamation, if they want to take him to court on allegations, they should do that or should've done that by now.
 
What I find most damning is when the supposedly raped underage girls finally decided to speak up, they decided to communicate with these...organisms. Not to the police, not to a counselor, not even to BHBH to try and say "look, your client os a piece of shit ajd here's why." That leads me to believe that they don't exist. At all.
Reporting to the police requires it to be true and them to have at least a single shred of evidence for it to go anywhere, I'm guessing the former is the bigger problem since I simply don't believe them.
 
To an SJW, quoting 4chan is like quoting Hitler approvingly.
I submit that it's more properly akin to quoting Hitler, period. Only racists quote Hitler. Even quoting Hitler disapprovingly is still quoting Hitler. Hitler's contributions should never be acknowledged. Any acknowledgement of Hitler is implicit anti-Semitism. Hitler should simply be scrubbed from the Narrative. We'd all be better off pretending that he never existed.
 
I submit that it's more properly akin to quoting Hitler, period. Only racists quote Hitler. Even quoting Hitler disapprovingly is still quoting Hitler. Hitler's contributions should never be acknowledged. Any acknowledgement of Hitler is implicit anti-Semitism. Hitler should simply be scrubbed from the Narrative. We'd all be better off pretending that he never existed.

But if you did that, how could you call people Nazis?
 
When people accused Projared of sending dick pics to any breathing being with tits it took a few hours at most for these pictures and conversations to come out.

In this case, Michelle accuses Vic of not only sending dick pics but making explicit videos, having phone calls, sending text messages, and more. It's been five fucking months since this shitstorm started and not a single one of these alleged photos, videos, text messages, etc. has surfaced. That's just not how the internet works, Michelle. If someone has that sort of sensitive info on another person and said person gets extremely publicly put on blast, you bet your ass they're gonna be a vindictive little shit and leak it.

But again, we have not seen hide nor hair of any Vic porn (thank fuck). To me, that simple fact throws some massive doubt on all of the other shit Michelle flung at Vic in that email.
 
When people accused Projared of sending dick pics to any breathing being with tits it took a few hours at most for these pictures and conversations to come out.

In this case, Michelle accuses Vic of not only sending dick pics but making explicit videos, having phone calls, sending text messages, and more. It's been five fucking months since this shitstorm started and not a single one of these things has surfaced. That's just not how the internet works, Michelle. If someone has that sort of sensitive info on another person and said person gets put on blast, you bet your ass they're gonna be a vindictive little shit and leak it.

But again, we have not seen hide nor hair of any Vic porn (thank fuck). To me, that simple fact throws some massive doubt on all of the other shit Michelle flung at Vic in that email.
Most messy break ups result in women throwing all sorts of claims about, her reactions are perfectly normal albeit bitter and mean. The real problem is most professional attorneys don't quote these angry rants as some sort of smoking gun of proof, because EVERYONE recognises the underlying desire to get back at the person they're attacking as being the whole reason behind the claims. MoRon's legal team is made up of a bunch of retards who honestly shouldn't be representing people if this is their standard practice, Lemon head Fuhrer being the 'expert TCPA super lawyer might need to check to see if the west nile virus causes brain damage.
 
Alright, I've read through all 529 pages of Ron and Monica's TCPA, along with Jamie's motion (minus the exhibits.)

While IANAL and certainly not an expert in Texas Anti-SLAAP, my guess is Ron and Monica's document is a trojan horse. Here's why.

Ron and Monica's TCPA doesn't read like a legal document. It reads like opposition research, the kind one would prepare as part of a political campaign. The motion itself spells out talking points more than an argument, the exhibits are stories that are mostly free from facts. What struck me about each affidavits is how clearly a grudge / motive to lie could be discerned. A professional would have ensured the stories are related in a way that's more matter-of-fact, dispassionate, and expresses a common theme carrying over between each of the complaints. Each complaint would have been compressed into something that directly conveys its point, deflects questions about intent, and makes makes clear accusations of sexual assault that at least come close to the legal definition.

The thing is, the affidavits only attack Vic's character. They don't present evidence of sexual assault. They do create the impression "where there's smoke, there's fire," since enough people are complaining this dramatically the underlying accusations must be true.

I think they are hoping a judge will tear their motion to shreds so they can claim the justice system is rigged to only protect straight white males. They want to turn this into a cause, fundraise around it, and get on the same ground Vic - fighting a legal battle funded by people who agree with them. They're hoping a sympathetic high net-worth supporter will come along, be outraged over the situation, then decide their (supposedly) just cause deserves support.

Saying this because lawyers generally won't submit documents this dumb to the court. The arguments it makes are political, not legal, and lean heavily on the idea of non-quantifiable power imbalances between Vic and others in the industry. The kind of person who would be sympathetic to this kind of argument would likely have run into a few glass ceilings in their own career and is willing to put perceived patterns above fact when considering the question of truth. That person is also a little skeptical and needs to see the system actually failing before they act, they're probably familiar with some similar situations that turned out to be deficient.

Ron and Monica are not capable of playing 4D chess and I suspect (at a personal level) they would drive away anyone interested in helping their cause. There is a lot about them not to like, starting with the fact they lack self-control. But, sometimes, people come along who are interested in fighting on principle. This document reads like a lightning rod designed to attract their attention, and Jamie's seems to be designed to express the idea there are still adults in the room.

I'd like to someday know who contributed to writing these documents. The general structure of Ron and Monica's does not appear to come from an attorney.
 
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