How many nationalists/neo-Nazis/fascists do we have on here?

[The best and greatest]

What I expect from people is completely independant of what is moral.

But if you recognize your morality as unfeasible in the described scenario then that makes your morality useless and moot.

For example, I expect you to continue to make false assumptions about what I believe and claim I said things I haven't said and then retreating behind "implicitly" and I expect you to continue to not apologize for doing so.

See? What I expect is completely seperate from what would be the moral thing to do.

Retreating behind "implicitly"?

It is not spin. They[The slaves] murdered children. You find it morally justifiable. I don't. I think you should stop trying to justify the murder of children. That's not virtue signalling, it's a request for you to be more virtuous.

It might seem small, but when its the only direct statement you make to the slave population in our discussion. You didn't even qualify this further until:

The assumption that I would find it morally wrong for slaves to kill their masters is created in your own mind out of whole cloth, much like your presumption of my emotional state.

Which for the record, wasn't even the entire breadth of what I was saying. Its not just the killing of the masters that is morally right when you are a slave, but those who uphold, enable, or encourage the master's way through the enforcement of his laws, the direct purchasing of his production, and the direct selling of goods and services related to the upkeep of slavery. So pretty much the entire non-slave population of Haiti at that time. You argue that the murder of the children was wrong and unnecessary (Fair) but outside that I can't agree. anyone who wasn't a slave who lived on Haiti prior to the slave revolt depended on slavery in some form or another. Even those who might have thought lesser of the practice (But not enough so to actively fight it.)

But you know what? Having read through our conversation, I am wrong and you aren't saying what I thought you were saying so I will apologize. I was over-presumptive and a fair bit arrogant to you, that was uncalled for and I am sorry for my conduct in our discussion. I thought you were being dishonest with me and reacted poorly. It was rather childish of me.

 

[UQ 770]

Now then of course is the next question, I think you've said it: "What's the point of mentioning the differences?"

Well, first of all, simply looking different would in itself be point enough. If people look different, they are going to be treated differently. If you don't believe that to be the case, go and travel to a country where nobody looks like you, particularly if you leave the capital and go more inland. Every time you go out on the street, people will stare at you.

You can't sweep that difference under the carpet. If you do, you remove the fundamental basis for being able to combat racism itself. If we together would all pretend like there aren't visible differences, then we also can't claim to be treated differently based on visible differences (and we are).

I acknowledged that there are genetic differences between the races. I just see them as insignificant on the social level. Genetic markers for race and ethnicity are invaluable to our understanding of human history and have successfullly been used to track human ancestry back to many important points in our migratition and civilization. In addition, those markers are also important indicators to medical professions to identify vulnerability to certain disorders and things like allergies and intolerance.

And yes, people will treat you differently if you look different to them, but that is just an inherent human trait. Otherwise you may as well be arguing that a general misfit should feel that they have no race because nobody is going to treat them with any level of kinship. I also find this entire debate irrelevant in an age where, increasingly, nobody trusts anyone regardless of race or heritage. The truth is we live in a world of creatures that are not as civlized as we thought, and in every seemingly racially organized society you can always peel back the veeneer and find another system of discrimination beneath it. Your weaknesses and differences will always be used against you, and you should keep in mind that you have zero reason to be loyal to your own kind any more than you have any reason to be loyal to anyone else.

 

[Lemmingwise]

But you know what? Having read through our conversation, I am wrong and you aren't saying what I thought you were saying so I will apologize. I was over-presumptive and a fair bit arrogant to you, that was uncalled for and I am sorry for my conduct in our discussion. I thought you were being dishonest with me and reacted poorly. It was rather childish of me.

Apology accepted.

Sometimes my expectations are thwarted. Thank you for doing so.

Were there any questions that you would still like an answer to? Because I'll answer them.

 

[The best and greatest]

Apology accepted.

Sometimes my expectations are thwarted. Thank you for doing so.

Were there any questions that you would still like an answer to? Because I'll answer them.

Nah i'd rather be done here and just contemplate my choices for a bit. Toodles.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Nah i'd rather be done here and just contemplate my choices for a bit. Toodles.

It happens to the best of us.

Otherwise you may as well be arguing that a general misfit should feel that they have no race because nobody is going to treat them with any level of kinship. I also find this entire debate irrelevant in an age where, increasingly, nobody trusts anyone regardless of race or heritage.

Yeah, funny that. Ever read Putnam's study? The more you mix people of different cultural backgrounds, the more people cease to trust anyone, even their in-group.

He started that study to prove that diversity is a strength and the results of the study was the exact opposite.

Of course that is culture, not genetics, but then I do regard part of culture an expression of group behaviour, which differs between groups also due to different genetics. Of course that line between what is cultural and what is genetic is almost impossibly hard to study, so we're all kinda spitballing it.

It's funny, when I put that idea to the test in my personal life and instead of looking for the most culturally diverse (which yes, also just meant "non-white") places to live work and have fun, and instead started looking for the least culturally diverse places, the level of trust I started experiencing was completely different.

In one, I couldn't leave my valuables out of sight because they would be stolen and they frequently were and people I was with would always be checking if bicycles were locked or not because they liked to steal them. In the other, people who barely knew me would sometimes give me free stuff and trust me to a particularly high degree that they would leave valuables safe open and unattended or ask me to get one thing from it, even if they barely knew me.

 

[UQ 770]

It's funny, when I put that idea to the test in my personal life and instead of looking for the most culturally diverse (which yes, also just meant "non-white") places to live work and have fun, and instead started looking for the least culturally diverse places, the level of trust I started experiencing was completely different.

In one, I couldn't leave my valuables out of sight because they would be stolen and they frequently were and people I was with would always be checking if bicycles were locked or not because they liked to steal them. In the other, people who barely knew me would sometimes give me free stuff and trust me to a particularly high degree that they would leave valuables safe open and unattended or ask me to get one thing from it, even if they barely knew me.

That's quite alien to me. I've lived in both diverse and non-diverse locations and generally a pattern where people overall lack trust between each other has held true. People are usually polite but otherwise the thought of anyone leaving their doors unlocked or giving handouts would have been considered ridiculous pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking. I don't think that says much of anything about race though. Trust is just a trick of psychology and a pretty easy one to manipulate at that. Its not really that any more surprising in my parts when Jamal robs a liquor store for meth money than it is when Cletus runs someone over with a BAC of 10%.

Trust is really a matter of uncertainty, and it seems to me that racialism is just a false sense of assurance where, if someone looks and vaguely acts like you, you feel safer around them. I don't really trust anyone. Scumfuckery is definitely not bound by the limits of your heritage.

 

[Lemmingwise]

That's quite alien to me. I've lived in both diverse and non-diverse locations and generally a pattern where people overall lack trust between each other has held true. People are usually polite but otherwise the thought of anyone leaving their doors unlocked or giving handouts would have been considered ridiculous pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking. I don't think that says much of anything about race though. Trust is just a trick of psychology and a pretty easy one to manipulate at that. Its not really that any more surprising in my parts when Jamal robs a liquor store for meth money than it is when Cletus runs someone over with a BAC of 10%.

Trust is really a matter of uncertainty, and it seems to me that racialism is just a false sense of assurance where, if someone looks and vaguely acts like you, you feel safer around them. I don't really trust anyone. Scumfuckery is definitely not bound by the limits of your heritage.

I don't think trust is just a trick of psychology. If people get scummed/stolen from multiple times, they learn from it and will begin to take precautions. There's a reason why different neighborhoods can have unattended shops (leave the money) and others have metal bars in front of the windows of homes.

 

[UQ 770]

I don't think trust is just a trick of psychology. If people get scummed/stolen from multiple times, they learn from it and will begin to take precautions. There's a reason why different neighborhoods can have unattended shops (leave the money) and others have metal bars in front of the windows of homes.

Or you can just do that from the start and skip the whole process of getting ripped off.

 

[The Estatist]

There is legit no grounds to think wacism is wrong absent of theology. Hence non-Whites doing it (do you see the Japanese accepting Koreans as their family).

 

[ProgKing of the North]

There is legit no grounds to think wacism is wrong absent of theology. Hence non-Whites doing it (do you see the Japanese accepting Koreans as their family).

How about just judging people as individuals instead of on their melanin level?

 

[The Estatist]

Tell us more on everything in creation is only atomized consumers with no ties of blood, race, worship...

 

[Autocrat]

I'm a Jacksonian Democrat. The only thing I have in common with nazis is racism.

15th Century Africa did host several civilizations on essentially the same technological and organizational level as 15th Century Europe. That's why 1492 started the conquest of the Americas, but the scramble for Africa had to wait for the late 1800s.

Incas + Aztecs were dramatically more advanced than anything in Africa. And Europe was in turn dramatically more advanced than anything in the Americas.

Please tell me about the proto Wakandan civilizations you speak of.

 

[The Estatist]

Reminder that Jews learn that goyim are to be cheated and killed. They're also rather successful.

 

[Sped Xing]

Incas + Aztecs were dramatically more advanced than anything in Africa. And Europe was in turn dramatically more advanced than anything in the Americas.

Please tell me about the proto Wakandan civilizations you speak of.

Uh, the Inca and Maya were literally in the Stone age and lacked wheels, ships, and most machines. The Sahelian Empires and Ethiopia were essentially on the same technological level as Europe through the middle ages.

The ancient Egyptians building pyramids four thousand years before Cortez reached Tenochtitlan to find savages ritually murdering each other. Stonehenge is probably as well aligned to stars as anything the Mayans built before they collapsed into barbarism. There wasn't anything as advanced as the states of subsaharan Africa in the Americas.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Tell us more on everything in creation is only atomized consumers with no ties of blood, race, worship...

If you can't form a bond with somebody who doesn't share your blood, race, or deity that's your problem

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Reminder that Jews learn that goyim are to be cheated and killed. They're also rather successful.

Cite this. Bonus points if you don't pull out that dusty forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or point to some mistranslated/unenforced Deuteronomy law (like the one about it being permissible to feed rotten meat to foreigners).
Every Jew I've known has been a rock-solid fellow. I have been financially backstabbed more often by "my own people" than by God's Chosen People- even when I quite literally took out a loan from one of them.

 

[The Estatist]

Considering how there aren't any indigienous multicultural societies (read: not imposed with war and maintained through bribes) and that your White man off the street has more White friends than non-White friends:

Ethnic Diversity and Social Cohesion – The Alternative Hypothesis

thealternativehypothesis.org

Cite this. Bonus points if you don't pull out that dusty forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or point to some mistranslated/unenforced Deuteronomy law (like the one about it being permissible to feed rotten meat to foreigners).

Are Non-Jews Human?

(Reading a Midrash out of Midrash Talpiyot)

www.unz.com

Deceiving the Dumb Goyim

~Talmud Unmasked~

The Talmud Unmasked reveals the secret & diabolical Rabbinical teachings concerning Christians.

www.talmudunmasked.com

I'm sure you'll be saying Detroit is the Democrat's fault.

Every Jew I've known has been a rock-solid fellow.

Found the Cuckservative.

I have been financially backstabbed more often by "my own people" than by God's Chosen People- even when I quite literally took out a loan from one of them.

Ever wonder how Jews got such a bad reputation among both Christians and Muslims?

 

[The Estatist]

ancient Egyptians building pyramids

Are you saying they wuz niggers?

 

[Sped Xing]

Are you saying they wuz niggers?

No, of course not. The Egyptians were swarthier than Scandinavians, but they were definitely Caucasian.

I was using them as an example of a civilization that had accomplished everything the New World had and more thousands of years earlier.

To deny that places like Mali, Ghana, Abyssinian, Songhai, and the like possessed similar levels of technology to late medieval Europe is just a failure of historical literacy.

Now, compare even eighteenth Century Europe to any part of Africa south of the Sahara and it's really no contest.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

Considering how there aren't any indigienous multicultural societies (read: not imposed with war and maintained through bribes) and that your White man off the street has more White friends than non-White friends:

Ethnic Diversity and Social Cohesion – The Alternative Hypothesis

thealternativehypothesis.org

Are Non-Jews Human?

(Reading a Midrash out of Midrash Talpiyot)

www.unz.com

Deceiving the Dumb Goyim

~Talmud Unmasked~

The Talmud Unmasked reveals the secret & diabolical Rabbinical teachings concerning Christians.

www.talmudunmasked.com

Your sources are:
1. The ranting of a Jewish conspiratard who believes that every goyim is plotting to murder the Jews- your Yiddish doppelganger, then.
2. A neo-Nazi website (as in, deliberately describes itself as racial nationalist, shows a clear bent towards Aryan supremacy, and appears to have very glowing things to say about Hitler according to a quick scan of their web 1.0 directory. Also a strong bent towards Esoteric Hitlerism and what looks like some WN version of Kemet).
3. The rantings of a Sedevacantist who believes that Jews are quite literally Satanists that were behind Vatican II, that 9/11 was a Judeo-Masonic plot, and that the pedophiles in the Catholic Church are all secret Jews.

Clearly, sources of the highest caliber whose word can be trusted.

Found the Cuckservative.

I'm afraid not; but of course, I suspect animals are "cuckservatives" at this point, so heavily-abused as that word has become.

Ever wonder how Jews got such a bad reputation among both Christians and Muslims?

I've discussed this before. I have, in fact, traced the historical roots of antisemitism with you before. Your response was, if I recall correctly, to accuse me first of being a "cuckservative", then a "libcuck", and then to ask "are you Jewish BTW". I won't bother retreading that dialogue with you; you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.