Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

a settlement would necessarily require them to admit that they have been spreading lies about a man being a pedophile rapist with the goal of killing his career. if they do admit that, then their own careers are over, permanently, and they'll be considered absolutely unhirable for the rest of their lives. you can't really come back from something like that.
long term, taking the loss in the lawsuit and going bankrupt from it might actually be the correct choice. coming back from bankruptcy is a lot more feasible than coming back from being a self-admitted false rape accuser.

And if they lose and are proven to be lying cunts in a court of law, their careers are also over.

Tell me, what company is EVER going to hire some fat, washed up, skanks who were perfectly happy to drag a MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS into a lawsuit just to try and force them to foot the bill?

Let's not forget it would ALSO be proven that they lied to WHO KNOWS HOW MANY CONVENTIONS and just cost them quite a bit of money from Vic not being there. Let's not forget, Kamehacon and Anime Maturi turned one hell of a profit off of the people who came there just to see Vic.

And even then, we ALSO have their actions against other conventions: such as Monica REEEEEing/Threatening Kamehacon, and Jamie happily sending people to go "Drag a convention through the mud, because they CANCELED ME."

Have fun ever getting invited to another con Marchi, especially after they hear about THAT.

What else is there to dig up from these idiots?

Dude...
We are 7 Months and 2031 pages into this shit show.

Every time someone says "What more could we REALLY dig up?"

You guys find shit like:
-The secret discord.
-Private emails.
-Private texts.
-Private DMs.
-A few doxes.
-A few legal docs.
-A redacted identity,
-An overlooked detail.

AND MORE

Every. Single. Goddamn. Time.
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long term, taking the loss in the lawsuit and going bankrupt from it might actually be the correct choice. coming back from bankruptcy is a lot more feasible than coming back from being a self-admitted false rape accuser.

Agree, but an intentional tort like this isn't dischargeable in bankruptcy, so they have to deal with having a very hostile creditor and not being able to open bank accounts.
 
Dude...
We are 7 Months and 2031 pages into this shit show.

Every time someone says "What more could we REALLY dig up?"

You guys find shit like:
-The secret discord.
-Private emails.
-Private texts.
-Private DMs.
-A few doxes.
-A few legal docs.
-A redacted identity,
-An overlooked detail.

AND MORE

Every. Single. Goddamn. Time.
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You missed the hardcore gay porn account that the senior director of social media was following on his personal twitter account.
 
And if they lose and are proven to be lying cunts in a COURT OF LAW, their careers are also over.

plenty of SJWs will stay on their side and have their backs when they lose the case. believe wahmen, etc.

Pretty much. Also most of said SJWs and "Believe wahmen without question" crew are also in good positions to ensure that, even though what they've done is crappy, they'll still have their jobs. It's pretty evident if you take note of things like how Twitter and other social media platforms police themselves.

A conservative posts something that merely enforces their beliefs. Ban or Suspension.

A liberal will outright harass a conservative for their beliefs. Nothing happens except endless YASSS-ing.

Companies and fan bases are the same. Pandering to a certain group of people for woke points and relevency.
 
plenty of SJWs will stay on their side and have their backs when they lose the case. believe wahmen, etc.

but if they admit that they have been lying the whole time, they instantly become untouchable poison to everybody. even hardcore SJWs want nothing to do with people who admittedly lied about rape with malicious intent, because the mere existence of something like that undermines their entire "believe victims" ideology.

Exactly, it's why I honestly believe that their horseshit "TCPA" was nothing more than a last-ditch effort to try and Defame Vic one more time... before they're dragging into a trial and nailed to a cross.

I've honestly been waiting for one of them to shriek: "C-Call off the Lawsuit o-o-or I'll KILL MYSELF."

We all know they are pathetic enough to do it.
 
the only legitimate thing they have against vic is that he was unfaithful with michelle specht, it the only thing vic has ever admitted to.

its obvious why they wanted vic to admit he is a sex addict, and its so strange that michelle specht's email to vic reads like it is supposed to be read in front of people its really odd.

and one last thing i noticed that was really shitty and disgusting that they did was they never asked vic a single thing about the new affidavits like the 1980s michelle and ljmontello-lynn hunt etc

that shit is shady, vic could never deny them in deposition since they were never asked

surely ty will assblast these snakes for doing shit like that
 
its obvious why they wanted vic to admit he is a sex addict, and its so strange that michelle specht's email to vic reads like it is supposed to be read in front of people its really odd.

It was Chuck who, for whatever reason, made that gambit with more or less nobody's permission and more or less pissed absolutely everyone off on both sides. This is why you don't try to mediate shit you don't understand.
 
Interesting bit of info... Watching an old episode of Nicks show and Ty brought up how if a lawyer who submits a pleading posts it online, they lose privilege on said court document, meaning it could actually be used against them for defamation. Anyone think they can bait Lemongrab into tweeting out a link to the TCPA lol?
 
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What else is there to dig up from these idiots?


The reason Shit like Antifa runs rampant is because leftists are the only Americans to resort to violence. Conservatives are really trying to turn the other cheek because they feel legal means are gonna get the job done. Leftists will always double down, and because they think they have the right cause, they don’t care what they have to do because it’s a war to them. The right hasn’t shown that same ferocity . Why is that? Because you still care about image and PR? At the very least, if you’re worried about cities and cops giving stand down orders when Antifa runs amok, get your own private security.
Oh I can tell you EXACTLY why after being a conservative and political junkie for many years. It's because trying to get anyone to the right of center to agree on a course of action is like trying to bathe an entire kennel of feral cats. We will all readily agree to a direction but the individualist streak is so ingrained that getting any of us to actually ACT on a course of action is almost impossible.

Look back to the GOP/Romney primary era of right wing politics. You had half the Base saying from day 1 that by his record as gov in Mass., he was Obama in white and that we were not going down that road... and half not GAFing as long as the winner had an "R" by his name. End result? President Obama.

When it comes to SJWs, ANTIFA, Feminists, Tech giants or any of their pet causes, the internal conflicts on countering them drag everything to a halt and the hard left knows and leverages it.
 
And if they lose and are proven to be lying cunts in a COURT OF LAW, their careers are also over.

Tell me, what company is EVER going to hire some fat, washed up, skanks who were perfectly happy to drag a MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS into a lawsuit just to try and force them to foot the bill?

Let's not forget it would ALSO be proven that they lied to WHO KNOWS HOW MANY CONVENTIONS and just cost them quite a bit of money from Vic not being there. Let's not forget, Kamehacon and Anime Maturi turned one hell of a profit off of the people who came there JUST to see Vic.

And EVEN THEN, we ALSO have their actions against other conventions: such as Monica REEEEEing/Threatening Kamehacon, and Jamie happily sending people to go "Drag a convention through the mud, because they CANCELED ME."
That's understandable but doubling down infinitely will likely do slightly less damage to your career than admitting you're false accusers. At least insane woke culture might save someone who stuck with their madness to the bitter end.
 
Interesting bit of info... Watching an old episode of Nicks show and Ty brought up how if a lawyer who submits a pleading posts it online, they lose privilege on said court document, meaning it could actually be used against them for defamation. Anyone think they can bait Lemongrab into tweeting out a link to the TCPA lol?
You think he'd take this bait?
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different privilege.
what ty refered to there was attorney-client privilege. it means that if your attorney already made something public, then you can be asked about that thing in deposition and can not use attorney-client privilege to refuse the question, because that privilege was waived by publishing it in the first place.

I could be wrong about which thing falls under this scenario, but he definitely said "It is no longer privileged against charges of defamation" "you normally cannot sustain a charge of defamation against somebody for what they put in their pleadings" "out there is a huge body of law that says if you distribute that pleading, you lose that privileged status"

heres the time stamp
 
What else is there to dig up from these idiots?


The reason Shit like Antifa runs rampant is because leftists are the only Americans to resort to violence. Conservatives are really trying to turn the other cheek because they feel legal means are gonna get the job done. Leftists will always double down, and because they think they have the right cause, they don’t care what they have to do because it’s a war to them. The right hasn’t shown that same ferocity . Why is that? Because you still care about image and PR? At the very least, if you’re worried about cities and cops giving stand down orders when Antifa runs amok, get your own private security.


Oh I can tell you EXACTLY why after being a conservative and political junkie for many years. It's because trying to get anyone to the right of center to agree on a course of action is like trying to bathe an entire kennel of feral cats. We will all readily agree to a direction but the individualist streak is so ingrained that getting any of us to actually ACT as a whole on a course of action is almost impossible.

Look back to the GOP/Romney primary era of right wing politics. You had half the Base saying from day 1 that by his record as gov in Mass., he was Obama in white and that we were not going down that road... and half not GAFing as long as the winner had an "R" by his name. End result? President Obama.

When it comes to SJWs, ANTIFA, Feminists, Tech giants or any of their pet causes, the internal conflicts on countering them drag everything to a halt and the hard left knows and leverages it.
 
different privilege.
what ty refered to there was attorney-client privilege. it means that if your attorney already made something public, then you can be asked about that thing in deposition and can not use attorney-client privilege to refuse the question, because that privilege was waived by publishing it in the first place.

I think he was also talking about the privilege against defamation there. You can't be sued for defamation for a legal filing, no matter what is in it and no matter how defamatory it is. However, if you then post the very same legal filing online, it is no longer protected by the litigation privilege, so a litigant who does that trick of filing defamatory garbage just to be able to refer to it doesn't have complete protection.

Neither does the third party who subsequently republishes the document, although if they do nothing but republish it and say "this got filed today" they probably have a solid defense that they were merely factually reporting something that happened, and even in the case they do comment on it approvingly, it would be very difficult actually to prosecute. It is not, however, privileged in the sense of having absolute immunity.
 
Her letter isn't damning. As it's been said a million times Vic is not the defendent and this is not a rape/sexual assault trial against him. Her letter, if true, is just hearsay and shes using it to further defame Vic without doing it on twitter and not getting sued (Good game Michele, letting Momo, Ron and Jamie take the fall but still getting your jabs in while avoiding litigation yourself LMAO). Also it doesn't really look great if she knows about statutory rape and does nothing 🤷‍♂️

My current stance: no TCPAs get dismissed because between them, MoRon have TI and defamation, Marchi has conspiracy with the Discord, and Funimation is at best stupidly negligent and more likely, including people like Sabat, just as enmeshed in a concerted effort to drive Vic out of the Texas VA industry. And even if any of the accusations against Vic were true, which we have had only evidence that people are willing to lie about his behaviour, then it reflects extremely poorly on all these people who kept criminal behaviour a secret.

I think the idea that it's been written for an audience of more than Vic is a very interesting one, because it reminded me of the public letter that Joss Whedon's ex-wife wrote to him, claiming infidelities and bad behaviour, and it was immediately believed as true by SJWs who are always eager to turn on a man, especially if he's straight and white, and by a lot of other people who found his outspoken feminism (or, yes, 'feminism') annoying.

And to me, it reminded me of Zoe Quinn's ex with his exchanges that he made public, but he was completely vilified for that by the SJWs. So I was thinking, 'Oh, so we're believing aggrieved exes unilaterally now?' And his wasn't even written for public consumption, it was private exchanges. The idea that the timeline suggests that Specht's letter was written partly for Vic but also more because it was designed to be public at some point colours the points she makes, and notably in Vic's response, from what I saw he doesn't deny anything, but he doesn't admit to any of the specific allegations either - he just apologises for how much he hurt her, and how it seems to have been much more than he thought. Which, again, interesting that they presumably had broken up and had that discussion then, but all of a sudden when he's being #metoo'd with a bunch of trumped-up bullshit she suddenly blasts him for accusations including at least one underage girl.

Whedon and Vic both are being publicly disparaged by women, so of course the current climate means their letters are unimpeachable documents of truth, as opposed to Quinn, who was allowed to spin her chat logs with her own words as harassment and lies and the real crime was they were released in the first place (just ignore what she admits to doing in them). It's #believeallwomen, with any motivation for the women to be lying completely dismissed because why would an upset ex, especially one who has been cheated on, have any reason to lie about worse things their partner did to make them look bad? Everyone knows in SJW land that women don't lie about things like that!

Now, whether that means Whedon cheated - he probably did. Vic certainly did, as he's admitted to it. But there is a vast difference, especially legally, when it comes to cheating on a partner and molestation, casting couch behaviour, rape and pedophilia. So I'd say it's obvious that, as with pretty much the entire TCPA, the only reason Specht's letter is included is to make Vic look bad and suggest that, if he's willing to cheat on a partner, not only is whatever she says about him completely true, but he would also be willing to commit actual criminal acts.

Which is, of course, bullshit of the highest order, but all they have. Because they have accused him of so much worse, and have provided not even no evidence, but only evidence that we've found to be from confirmed liars or containing lies and hearsay. It's negative evidence, because it shows that anything they have that has even the slightest chance of holding up in court is tainted by being at least partially demonstrably false, or coming from someone who has already lied in the course of these events.

Which incidentally also uses a Holmesian response to the question of 'but there's just so many accusations! Why would so many people lie?' Well, it's clear they think of Vic as a Bad Man, and so anything he's ever done gets cast through the lens of his clearly evil intentions and mental state. But also, having removed the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable, must be true. So we have proof that, though there may be many accusations, that none of them are true, or are mere hearsay usually able to be sourced to women with a grudge. So we don't know why all these people are lying (though within these 2,000+ pages I'd say we have some pretty good guesses, and I'm sure at least a couple will have hit the nail on the head), just we know that they are.

tl;dr: There remains no evidence of Vic's guilt, and just because his ex-fiancé wrote a letter doesn't make any accusations in the letter true by default. The idea that the letter was intended to be made public at some point increases the dubiousness of its contents greatly.
 
Oh I can tell you EXACTLY why after being a conservative and political junkie for many years. It's because trying to get anyone to the right of center to agree on a course of action is like trying to bathe an entire kennel of feral cats. We will all readily agree to a direction but the individualist streak is so ingrained that getting any of us to actually ACT on a course of action is almost impossible.

Look back to the GOP/Romney primary era of right wing politics. You had half the Base saying from day 1 that by his record as gov in Mass., he was Obama in white and that we were not going down that road... and half not GAFing as long as the winner had an "R" by his name. End result? President Obama.

When it comes to SJWs, ANTIFA, Feminists, Tech giants or any of their pet causes, the internal conflicts on countering them drag everything to a halt and the hard left knows and leverages it.

Doesn't really help that after Satanic Panic and the Bush Administration that people generally see the right wing as crazy bible thumpers and conspiracy theory nutters like Alex Jones.
 
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Yeesh, hell hath no fury over a woman's scorn

clarification: this is speculation. It's probably wrong. Make sure to salt it before consuming.

On Specht being a domineering bitch:

There's a dynamic at play in this letter that I've seen play out countless times in superficially healthy relationships, in which the man is, to a greater or lesser degree, under the thumb of a domineering, unstable, jealous, often verbally abusive woman.

Vic screwed up. That is clear, he admits it. A man who is trying to craft a relationship in which others capitulate to him wouldn't admit that. He would blame Specht for it. He would blame the people he allegedly seduced for it. He blames himself; he is, at least in public, consistently self-effacing about whatever relationship problems he has encountered. That, IMO, is not the behaviour of someone who wants "someone lower and lesser ... over whom you hold power and position".

It is, however, the behaviour of someone on the receiving end of that, at least in my observations.

The first gigantic paragraph of the letter is largely fictional, or at best is a lurid rewriting of events that bears little resemblance to the reality, with a telling section right at the end. This rest of the letter is a dramatic narrative, crafted to portray the target in the worst way that the writer can think to portray them. It is projecting like the eddystone lighthouse as a result. Specht characterises Vic as someone who "never wanted a partner, never wanted an equal, independent, free-thinking person who you could mutually respect", because she's a jealous, controlling person. Here's the proof:

Earlier in the letter, she states "you turned my concerns about flirtatious and overly 'intimate' interactions I myself witnessed, and others told me they witnessed, into opportunities to be offended and affronted". Overly intimate interactions that she witnessed. IOW, his behaviour with his fans. The hugging and kissing of fans, in public. The public attention he got. She returns to his public attention and affections, and the cost to "their" private relationship, over and over and over again. She's jealous. She hates that he gets the attention of other women. She sees their innocent interactions in public as theft of her exclusive ownership over Vic.

Ironically, this jealous behaviour tends to drive men to seek affirmation outside the relationship. A significant number of affairs start because the woman in the relationship is a jealous bitch who sees any other woman as competition for their exclusive control of the man they caught and spends all of her time trying to isolate "her" man from platonic female attention, which causes the man to seek it out furtively and secretively, which generates a taboo nature to the relationship that will quickly sexualise it.

My argument props itself now on something that may be wrong. Kara Edwards. She was going to be in STC. Vic offered her a part, and arrangements were going swimmingly until suddenly Vic was putting Sprecht in the part instead, and cold-shouldering Kara in the process. If this is not true it doesn't alter the overall read of the letter, but if it is true it strengthens it considerably.

Vic is a horndog and made mistakes, but he admits that and makes no attempt to deny his mistakes. He wants to atone for them and is willing to shoulder blame for his part in the relationship falling down.

Sprecht is a liar. She accepts no responsibility for her part in the failure of the relationship and places it entirely on Vic. She demosntrates her jealousy of his interactions with other women, but she blames her feelings about that on Vic and recasts innocent itneractions as justifications for her anger. She wanted to control Vic and he wouldn't be controlled, so she's now trying to destroy him. With her contribution now, this whole thing is turning into the farcical repeat of Johnny Depp.
 
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