Containment Official Decision Regarding Gender and Chris/Gender Discussion Megathread

Stephanie Bustcakes said:
How does that make them as bad or worse than Chris?
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It seems like the big justification I hear a lot from people saying Chris is an irredeemable subhuman piece of filth who deserves nothing is that he's a leech on the Government. I think if you put people in that situation most people would take the check and run, because who doesn't take free money?

I think a core thing about Chris that I believe is if you take all the trolling out of his life, as a person Chris isn't all that special or unique. There's plenty of people who are as gross and crazy as he is who just had the fortune to not be discovered by the internet.
 
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Fapcop said:
Real talk: Chris is a shitty person, largely because of things out of his control: His autism and the way he was raised, Barb, etc.

However, Chris isn’t remarkably bad. If you take a look around you, 3 out of 10 will be just as bad or worse. 5 out of 10 if you live in an asshole-rich constituency.

So why all the moralfagging about Chris? Why all the “OMG! He doesn’t like gay people! Probably a racist too!”?


It’s easier to justify if Chris is a bad person. It’s not alright to bully a sped, but bully a bully? That’s kind of warranted, no? Even a good thing!

So people play up how Chris is a huge homophobe and yada-yada. And everyone pretends to get outraged about a sped in the boondocks who sings funny ditties about them gays.
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The whole CWCipedia exists as a sort of archive and analysis of Chris and why he is a shitty person. I think if you painstakingly went through each saga and read up on the e-mails, you wouldn't cast the blame so widely as to say it was the autism, the way he was raised and Borb. None of those helped mind you, and made things more difficult for sure, but let's be honest, Chris was given a great chance to socialize himself and even in his best environment (Manchester High), he showed to be entitled, narcissistic and prone to petty anger. Did Wes Iseli for example do anything to be declared his rival? Did Chris really deserve that artistic award instead of someone else to point of running off stage crying? Were all Males truly JERKS? Even his fellow waterboy, the Basketball team, and all his male mentors?

I get it we all make socially awkward mistakes at times, but Chris made some doosies and kept that mentality his whole life.

As for the 3/10 thing, I think that's optimistic. I'll throw him a bone even and say that when he was in High School, if he cleaned up his appearance, could have been a 5 or a 6. But his SMV drops when you add in the weight, his childish personality, his inability to generate an independent income, his muscular atrophy, his social awkwardness, his fashion choices, and lack of hygiene that drops all the way down to a 1.5/10. Why .5? Because Chris Chan has Chad-tier self-confidence the likes of which I am envious of that women love. He even haggled with a prostitute using the fact he gets trolled on the internet as a reason why she should give him a discount. No fear.

Tranny Chris though is like a 0.5/10 though. For the same reason I wouldn't want to stick my dick in JesuOtaku. No one wants to fuck a tranny unless that tranny is famous, and even then, probably not.

Muscle Bra said:
You bring up a couple of good points here.

First off, I don’t think Bob was all that much of a disciplinarian. With the wealth of information we have on Chris, we only saw Bob acting with any sort of (reluctant) authority twice.

Think about all of the other times Chris was doing weird shit in his room, all of the times he was screaming like a banshee at the trolls, and all of the times Chris got in trouble with the authorities. Not once have we ever seen any evidence that Bob made an attempt to straighten Chris out.

So, yeah, I think Bob has the distinction of being the second-worst parent in the Chandler household. The problem is that Barb set the bar so low that it’s not really all that much of an accomplishment.
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I can remember another time, actually a couple times, that Chris' parents got involved in his life .

> Garnishing Chris' tugboat to pay off credit card bills
> Restricting Chris from something or making him do something because of stealing from Barb.
> Telling Clyde to stay out of their family's business, screening troll calls
> Probably the only other example of actual parenting. Telling Chris to just walk away, a couple times, from the Liquid Chris saga. In both the SHOWDOWN call and the Kacey-Liquid call, Chris' parents tell him to let it go and he insists on jumping right in.

Sure, there isn't another example of Bob basically telling Chris to grow up, but I don't think they understood the internet, nor the gravity some of this online bullshit meant to Chris.

duff101 said:
Is anyone really taking Chris seriously besides nutjobs like Sockness? Even some of the people who make fan art still use male pronouns when talking about him behind his back.

Then why get mad at him? Why care at all whether he's happy or not?

And that's exactly my point. There are so many infinitely worse people on this site who have even less excuses than he does.
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I actually want Chris to live a life well into his 50's and 60's because I legit find him interesting and funny. He's a walking case study for:

- Narcissitic Parenting
- Autism
- Mass Media and the effects it has
- Whether or not anime will make someone more likely to go trans
- Why someone will go trans
- Moobs and why some men get them
- Too much pornography and how it changes our perception of male/female dynamics in society
- Being trolled into becoming trans
- Whether or not Universal Suffrage is a good thing.
- Meta art
- How a terrible story can be reinterpreted and remade to create something interesting.

And so much more. Trans Chris is retarded Chris. Classic Chris at least had some sort of drive to work in an office all day producing Sonichu while Crystal watched. As he descended into trannydom, he wanted to be a stay at home dad and then a stay at home mom. Now he just wants money to buy toys so he can go to the cons will all the other geeks and show off his junk while waiting for the dimension merge. He blows raspberries in court and hosts McDonalds dinner parties with his OCs. He either needs to be trolled back to reality or somehow figure out himself that when Barb dies, we get the psych ward saga and how the police pulling him out of 14 Branchland were recording his screams.
 
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Stephanie Bustcakes said:
The cwcki isn't objective, unbiased information, though. It doesn't tell you about all the behind the scenes happenings that manipulated Chris into doing things the way he did.
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Doesn't it though? I haven't read the whole damn forum but the amount of information on Chris could fill several books.
Unless you mean his inner thought process.
 
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Arctic Fox said:
Doesn't it though? I haven't read the whole damn forum but the amount of information on Chris could fill several books.
Unless you mean his inner thought process.
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I mean like how he was told what to say and do in his videos by the trolls pretending to be his heartsweets. Chris didn't come up with the idea for the twin towers video himself, for instance.
 
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Stephanie Bustcakes said:
I mean like how he was told what to say and do in his videos by the trolls pretending to be his heartsweets. Chris didn't come up with the idea for the twin towers video himself, for instance.
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Yeah. But all that is archived on the forum. Or is that not on there?
 
Stephanie Bustcakes said:
The cwcki isn't objective, unbiased information, though. It doesn't tell you about all the behind the scenes happenings that manipulated Chris into doing things the way he did.
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Stephanie Bustcakes said:
I mean like how he was told what to say and do in his videos by the trolls pretending to be his heartsweets. Chris didn't come up with the idea for the twin towers video himself, for instance.
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Yeah but I'm not talking about stuff like that which is subjective. I'm more or less talking about Chris' observed behaviour, how he interacts with others, how he handles situations, how he thinks and acts etc. I'm not saying he is a shitty person because he made "Don't Trust them Homos over there" or even petty stuff like killing the Asperpedia 4 in Sonichu 10, but more stuff like how he dealt with the Adam Stackhouse situation, how he treated Megan via email, how he was angry about not getting pancakes because he had to go to Aunt Corinna's funeral and other such things.


I agree with you that you can't judge Chris based on how he interacts with the trolls, but there is a lot of archived information on the CWCKI that gives one a good understanding of how Chris is that doesn't have anything to do with the trolls.
 
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No novel perspective here. I've long resisted engaging with the subject of OPL's gender identity. I feel I must now purge.

I began following Chris shortly after his original ED article was posted, and I miss the days when he was a straight male brandishing fanboy totems to keep the gay away.

He's still a straight male, I guess. He's just contrived a way to get at lesbian poon. Is it working?

His troonery dismays me. I like to think that he failed so utterly as a male of the species that he gave being a female a go. Recall his lack of male friends, his deficits in traditionally masculine activities and virtues, his hatred of his bent duck, his characterization of men as brutes, his experience being bullied, lack of romantic success, his idealization of women. He rejects being male because he doesn't measure of well to what he percieves maleness to be about. He's uncomfortable being a poor specimen of a male, so he seeks comfort in larping as an anime girl.

That, and something about Chris always captures the internet zeitgeist. In the twilight of the Bush presidency he was a patriotic, straight Christian fanboy autist. Now, with the rise of SJW bullshit and troonery, he is a troon. I believe Chris adapts to the spirit of his age, in an attempt to fit in and find affirmation.

I'm not a gatekeeper of trans identity, but it seems to me that his troonery is less a product of gender dysphoria or autogynephilia, and more a matter of holding to rigid gender roles and feeling like female is the only suitable option for him socially. If he wants to be a chick, that's not my concern, but laughing at the old Chris was less icky than marveling at the new Christina.
 
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chris has cock not a vag.
everything born with a cock and not a vag is male regardless of mental operating level. he traded the attraction sign for new sexual identity, just means to get laid. Thats why he got the rotten taint peircing, all for the pussy. Didn't he he disavow homogays for years even after coming out and trooning it up? chris is just transparent.
 
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troon patrol said:
chris has cock not a vag.
everything born with a cock and not a vag is male regardless of mental operating level. he traded the attraction sign for new sexual identity, just means to get laid. Thats why he got the rotten taint peircing, all for the pussy. Didn't he he disavow homogays for years even after coming out and trooning it up? chris is just transparent.
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heh, you said "coming out".

That's gay. :lol:
 
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goldmanjoe said:
Didn't he carve a hole in his taint or something?
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That was ages ago, but yes. He got drunk one night and sliced open his taint with a knife to try and open up his True and Honest vagina because he legit thought he was growing one thanks to those stupid binaural beat videos he watches. Some trolls told him to get his ass to the doctor once he told them what he'd done. He went in and lied to the doctors and tried to blow the trolls off, but they kept hassling him until he got it looked at properly.
 
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