Off-Topic Let's talk about second-wave radical feminism - Dynastia's Daycare for the emotionally troubled.

[Fallschirmjaeger Dietrich]

There is no best tit size. Even if we insist on viewing boobies through a lens of male gaze, all men have different tastes and preferences and you should focus on being happy with your body for yourself. If you insist on objectifying yourself for the pleasure of men then regardless of your cup size or shape there are plenty men out there who would consider your breasts perfect. Unless they're the saggy pointy torpedo kind. Gross.

No, objectively C-D cups are the best. If you like small tits then you're;
A. A closeted homo
B. A closeted nonce

Fight me

 

[HG 400]

nonce

lol you're English. Faggot.

 

[GS 281]

(1) I'm talking about other people elsewhere on the internet: namely, normie women on Reddit.

The problem with that thread is you literally cannot overreact about Yaniv

ok then

it's not all that fun to make fun of them for it.

humor is subjective, but histrionics are hilarious and getting mad at a pedo who hasn't molested in a world full of pedos who have is quite silly.

A pervert predator who preys using protections

Where is his prey then? Is there a single child he's touched?

If he was a New York City citizen, he would've immediately been lynched by the Post as a "Pervert" who preys on "Angels." and subsequently been visited by the NYPD to fish his body out of the Hudson.

That's some twisted conjecture, friend.

 

[Ashenthorn]

To discuss and understand second wave radical feminism, all you need to do is research Camille Paglia (godmother of TERVES), and how she helped start (and then distanced herself from) the movement and remained sane and rational in the process.

If only they had listened to Camille.

"Those who invest all of their spiritual energies in politics will reap the whirlwind. The evidence is all around us—the paroxysms of inchoate, infantile rage suffered by those who have turned fallible politicians into saviors and devils, godlike avatars of Good versus Evil."
~Camille Paglia

 

[Slap47]

Allying with the TERFs is like the USA allying with the USSR. They hate you, want you censored and controlled but also hate your shared enemy.

 

[Caesare]

getting mad at a pedo who hasn't molested in a world full of pedos who have is quite silly.

It's just something you won't understand until you have children. Ppl like him bring out complete revulsion in parents because his sickness is so blatant, unrelenting, and public.

 

[Ctrl+Alt+Rt]

ok then

There's no contradiction there: "the problem with that thread [aka. why it's not going well or getting on-topic responses making fun of Reddit women freaking out over Yaniv] is you literally cannot overreact about Yaniv [hence people aren't in the mood to making fun of them]." Sure, humour is subjective, and I'm offering up an explanation about why enough people don't feel the same way as you that it's made that thread so bad that this thread was made, that's all.

 

[SofondaCox]

He's not the funniest cow, so the giggle is limited

Who is, in your estimation, the funniest cow? Yaniv was delightful, but he's lost flavor since the popularity explosion.

 

[GS 281]

Who is, in your estimation, the funniest cow? Yaniv was delightful, but he's lost flavor since the popularity explosion.

The whistleblower from Chicago

It's just something you won't understand until you have children. Ppl like him bring out complete revulsion in parents because his sickness is so blatant, unrelenting, and public.

i can understand having those types of emotions to some extent but then to take it further and to ruminate on them and sit with other mad lads? I’d just as soon find something fun. I’m not saying yaniv is a bad cow he produces a lot of content with variety and plenty of cows are salient by virtue of their outrageous behavior.

Is you literally cannot overreact about Yaniv

We had a drunk tard shriek about hunting him down. That’s overreacting

 

[XE 600]

Making fun of people freaking out about pedo elmo is about as much fun as mocking people's panic while they're trying to escape a burning building.

Both are pretty fun to mock in all honesty.

 

[Punitive Castration]

I'll come in and take my badge of shame. Yaniv's whole affair is taking place in Canada, so it has no effect on me. The Supreme Court here in the States, at least this year, would never affirm that a man has any right to compel a woman to touch his penis.
But the BCHRT is dignifying it... and I could imagine a dumber state court dignifying it... and in some states changing your legal sex is a 10 minute affair...
So, I will admit, I'm just un poco mad about Yaniv. His existence, paired with Ogre's, raised a disgusting legal question that went thankfully by common sense until now. We have to watch sane people play by stupid troon rules just to prove women don't have to touch your peepee. How little women are valued that this is even up for debate.

 

[GarthMarenghisDankplace]

@Dynastia

Does sex work inherantly harm women or does the moralising around it compared to other forms of manual labor reflect a misogynistic purity culture?

Are troons engaged in sex work commiting cultural appropriation?

It is gay to work on my traps on shoulder day?

 

[Caesare]

and to ruminate on them and sit with other mad lads? I’d just as soon find something fun

Yeah, I agree with that part. Sure, he's loathsome but it's not worth dwelling on in a group, just getting angrier and angrier.

 

[cattle rancher]

Despite being a man, second wave feminism is always what I thought of as the sane end goal of equality. Women should not be hindered from doing anything they as individuals are willing and able to do. I'd rather keep the man or woman hating to a minimum in this ideal second wave state but I can understand why a lot of TERFs end up disliking men. I also believe women should clearly have body autonomy but I think a case can be made for men being able to have financial abortion since they are part of the parenting equation and they helped to make the child so they should have some say on it if the child is unwanted.

 

[Ctrl+Alt+Rt]

I'll come in and take my badge of shame. Yaniv's whole affair is taking place in Canada, so it has no effect on me. The Supreme Court here in the States, at least this year, would never affirm that a man has any right to compel a woman to touch his penis.
But the BCHRT is dignifying it... and I could imagine a dumber state court dignifying it... and in some states changing your legal sex is a 10 minute affair...
So, I will admit, I'm just un poco mad about Yaniv. His existence, paired with Ogre's, raised a disgusting legal question that went thankfully by common sense until now. We have to watch sane people play by stupid troon rules just to prove women don't have to touch your peepee. How little women are valued that this is even up for debate.

Well now, you're comparing apples to oranges. The SCOTUS is the highest court in the USA, whereas the BCHRT is a quasi-judicial body, below the courts in Canada. It can't set precedent for courts and can be overturned.

It may seem ridiculous that they're even hearing the case out, but this law has been a hot topic in Canada for a few years now ever since gender identity protections were introduced with Bill C-16 in 2016, which amended the Human Rights Act and Criminal Code. This is when Jordan Peterson first made news. There was considerable confusion over whether this meant people would be legally obligated to use preferred pronouns, for example, on pain of jailtime. This confusion wasn't helped when politicians introducing the law and iirc the Ontario HRT admitted they weren't sure exactly what C-16 entailed because the law hasn't been settled yet but said that jailtime for such offenses is scaremongering because that would only happen if you didn't pay your fine for misgendering...

So what I'm saying is, they're hearing this case out because the law has not been clarified in how far it goes or what it means, and, it's of high relevance to Canadians. Also, if the decision is bad, it can be appealed and the HRT will be ordered to 'reconsider' aka. come to the opposite conclusion. And then it can go to the BC Supreme Court. And then it can go to the BC Court of Appeal. And after that it can go to the SCC, which is the top court in Canada. So it's not like he's being heard out in the most hallowed halls and making a mockery of the courts – he isn't even in one. But judges need to start clarifying the meaning and extent of the highly controversial and extremely unclear law as put in place by politicians and the only way to do that is to agree to hear the cases and adjudicate them, no matter how infuriating that is.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Obviously I am not a radical feminist in any way but I do have to say that after reading through all this I do somewhat understand the TERF viewpoint more (the T.E. part).

I don't really have a problem with a transgender who is just going on about their business and not infantilizing/fetishizing women and girls (i.e. dressing like a $2 burlesque whore because that's what being a woman is, apparently) but I'm getting really fucking sick of transgender "women" beating up natural-born women in sports and trying to take away the privacy of domestic violence shelters.

Also really tired of the "we have to ban the phrase 'expectant mothers' because it's offensive to trans moms who can't get pregnant uwu." Hey I'm sorry guys but you're not a real woman.

 

[HG 400]

@Dynastia

Does sex work inherantly harm women or does the moralising around it compared to other forms of manual labor reflect a misogynistic purity culture?

Putting aside the obvious worst-cases, like trafficked and prostituted women and children, trading sex for money alone doesn't inherently harm anyone, but the grim reality of the sex industry and how our culture views it means almost nobody is coming out of that line of work without scars, and society's infantalising views on the sexual drive and agency of women means that as things stand it's mere existence can't help but contribute to the continued objectifaction and commodification of women as a class. It will always be around, and it always be a grubby, soul-crushing business on the fringes of society. Glamourising it as an affirmative and liberating lifestyle in the way 'sex-positive' liberal feminist instathots like to do is clearly pretty harmful to society's image of women as a whole, not to mention the countless young dumb sluts who'll get chewed up and spat out by the industry because they got sucked into this way of thinking at an impressionable age.

That said, radical feminist theory is inextricably tied to marxist class theory, so you're right to directly compare it with other types of exploitative, dangerous or oppressive labour. A sense of 'purity culture' definitely does tie into this ; whores are reviled, while soldiers and coal miners aren't, so the issues surrounding sex work and how we view the people involved on it aren't quite the same. I would suggest though, that radical feminists generally aren't more concerned with sex work over crab trawler OHSA or child soldiers or Saudi Arabian slave labour because of any moral puritanism, but because sex as an industry specifically and primarily exploits women, and that's where their interests and focus lie.

Those are my views though, and I know a lot of radical feminists would take a harder-line stance on the subject.

Are troons engaged in sex work commiting cultural appropriation?

No. Women might make up the majority, but they're not the only victims of the sex trade.

It is gay to work on my traps on shoulder day?

Taking care of your body and wanting to look good is a little gay, but you do you.

 

[repentance]

I would not have invited Jonathan Yaniv to Michfest.

 

[Fallschirmjaeger Dietrich]

lol you're English. Faggot.

Dutch, nigger

 

[Okkervils]

Like reflecting on this quoted comment at the top of this post. He is literally equating people on fire who are escaping a building with adults getting mad at a creeper. Do you guys really see yourself as being in some sort of danger? your children? most of you live in another country, some another continent.

It is absolutely ridiculous to be mad about jonathan yaniv, but if you choose to live your life angry, then that's your deal. I just cannot get into this line of thinking. Sorry @Okkervils and @The Ghost of ODB, won't step on your shoes.

I don't think you're stepping on our shoes at all and I agree with you 100%. This is not the place to get angry at Yaniv. The purpose of the website is to document people's odd behavior and laugh at them. It is not the place to start an autistic defense force against a suspected pedophile who has, to our knowledge, never offended besides being a creepy weirdo. Even if he had or does offend, we document that and laugh at him for being so stupid as to do that. We do not need posts stating the obvious that pedophilia is bad. Hopefully, most of our users already know that and it's not breaking news.

A lot of the people here need to calm tf down, if you really want to do some weird activism shit, I don't care, just take it to another forum and stop shitting this place up.

If he was a New York City citizen, he would've immediately been lynched by the Post as a "Pervert" who preys on "Angels." and subsequently been visited by the NYPD to fish his body out of the Hudson. Normal people aren't okay with this sort of social behavior, and the rage is justified because that's what he is. A pervert predator who preys using protections.

This is a prime example of what I'm talking about above. Yes, I know it's frustrating but you're all (hopefully) adults and you guys should be able to see that this is not the place to vent about how a cow made you assmad.