Off-Topic Let's talk about second-wave radical feminism - Dynastia's Daycare for the emotionally troubled.

[Larry Anon]

Dude I'll just address the manspreading thing first here. Chairs are a matter of space, and squishing them together can be a matter of economy.

That's why, at least twice per day, I'll see a woman on the subway with her bag on the seat next to her. Give me a break, dude.

 

[SourDiesel]

What I'm saying is that issues like manspreading outweigh the FGM that is happening in the United States and it makes all of you look like stupid, entitled, exceptional individuals. It's the height of ridiculousness, and I don't see you guys having a town hall meeting and telling the anti-manspreading feminists to shut the fuck up and focus on issues that are actually important. Because that's exactly what you need to do.

Do you... seriously think every woman who utters the word "feminism" in the same continent sits down together monthly to go over the agenda? Come on, you know that "town hall meeting" suggestion is ludicrous. You're getting mad at the internet man.

 

[2nd_time_user]

That's why, at least twice per day, I'll see a woman on the subway with her bag on the seat next to her. Give me a break, dude.

On any public transit, if there's room you can spread your bag, your balls, however much you want. If there's that much room, spread your balls or whatever in the next row. If there isn't, tell her you want to sit down. If there's only one space for everyone, or less (as is the case in rush hour), taking up two spaces for balls or bags isn't a priority. I'd tell dude excuse me is this seat taken and then sit there. You can too.

 

[Larry Anon]

Do you... seriously think every woman who utters the word "feminism" in the same continent sits down together monthly to go over the agenda? Come on, you know that "town hall meeting" suggestion is ludicrous. You're getting mad at the internet man.

I wasn't being literal about a town hall meeting, but they need to do something. This shit has already been out of control for at least five years, and men aren't "allowed" to speak up about it.

On any public transit, if there's room you can spread your bag, your balls, however much you want. If there's that much room, spread your balls or whatever in the next row. If there isn't, tell her you want to sit down. If there's only one space for everyone, or less (as is the case in rush hour), taking up two spaces for balls or bags isn't a priority. I'd tell dude excuse me is this seat taken and then sit there. You can too.

I stand on the subway, but good luck asking a woman to move her bag so you can sit down if that's what you want to do. I've seen several arguments break out over that exact thing.

 

[Miss Misery]

Hey @Larry Anon, you've moved on to getting mad on the internet about third-wave feminism. You might try manspreading in the SJW thread.

Also edit, don't double post.

P.S. Sorry about your balls.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

You've already won every fight that's worth fighting in the first world though. That's why you've moved on to attacking men for manspreading and giving awards to British women who design anti-manspreading chairs, that quite literally crush the nuts of any man who sits on them.

Right. Feminism was/is a political movement that has met most of its objectives in the west. IDGAF about manspreading. It's time to forcefully and relentlessly call out brutal cultural oppression in the rest of the world. From chhaupadi, to FGM, widows being forced out into the street when their husbands die, legalized violence against women and a thousand other et ceteras.

we're not even talking about FGM in the middle east. It's happening right here in America. There are hundreds of doctors in Michigan and Minnesota who are cutting the clits off of infant females... in America. I haven't heard the slightest bit of outrage over this from Feminists.

Yeah, occasionally you'll hear about it in conservative media. Unfortunately, not all, but many conservatives will approach this from a Christian perspective rather than a human rights one. Making a religiously based argument against mutilating women in the US won't get you very far, because we're a secular nation and shut up about Jesus. So it HAS and SHOULD be a human rights argument. But these stories never gain the traction they should because of the source.

So this issue never makes it into the public consciousness. If the libfems peep about it, they will be witch hunted by their own for being Islamophobes, and they will be slandered and silenced. Therefore they conspire to not give issues like this the glaring spotlight they deserve. If they were to do that, they would have to admit they are very, very wrong about their totem pole of cultural hierarchies and would need underake some serious reflection and radical change.

 

[2nd_time_user]

I stand on the subway, but good luck asking a woman to move her bag so you can sit down if that's what you want to do. I've seen several arguments break out over that exact thing.

I don't know where you are, but from bicoastal multiple experience, the one universality is that people expect everyone to move their shit at rush hour. The only ones who get a pass on this are those carrying around babies and strollers, and even they make an effort not to hog more than two seats. The other ones just move if you ask, if they don't, there will be 15 other ppl on the subway yelling at them.

 

[Larry Anon]

Yeah, occasionally you'll hear about it in conservative media. Unfortunately, not all, but many conservatives will approach this from a Christian perspective rather than a human rights one. Making a religiously based argument against mutilating women in the US won't get you very far, because we're a secular nation and shut up about Jesus. So it HAS and SHOULD be a human rights argument. But these stories never gain the traction they should because of the source.

So this issue never makes it into the public consciousness. If the libfems peep about it, they will be witch hunted by their own for being Islamophobes, and they will be slandered and silenced. Therefore they conspire to not give issues like this the glaring spotlight they deserve. If they were to do that, they would have to admit they are very, very wrong about their totem pole of cultural hierarchies and would need underake some serious reflection and radical change.

It's because of the Intersectional bullshit. Women are lower on the pyramid than Trannies and Muslims. Men are on the bottom. I'm not getting "mad" at anyone @The Ghost of ODB, I'm just pointing it out.

I don't know where you are, but from bicoastal multiple experience, the one universality is that people expect everyone to move their shit at rush hour. The only ones who get a pass on this are those carrying around babies and strollers, and even they make an effort not to hog more than two seats. The other ones just move if you ask, if they don't, there will be 15 other ppl on the subway yelling at them.

I live in a major city with a subway. I'm just saying that I see it all the time. I HAVE seen a woman shouted down for refusing to move her bag, but it doesn't happen often.

 

[Miss Misery]

The title says let's talk about second-wave feminism.

So women's lib, ERA, birth control, Roe, Betty Friedan, Germaine Greer, Gloria Steinem, Andrea Dworkin, etc.

Intersectionality, microaggressions, and manspreading is third-wave nonsense.

Boomer feminism or gtfo.

 

[RadicalCentrist]

I stand on the subway, but good luck asking a woman to move her bag so you can sit down if that's what you want to do. I've seen several arguments break out over that exact thing.

Stop being so beta and move it yourself then

>letting a literal hand bag unman you

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Stop being so beta and move it yourself then

>letting a literal hand bag unman you

She probably is trying to block people giving off incel vibes from sitting close enough to cause harm.

 

[troon patrol]

It is indeed a physiological fact that women are poorly suited for jobs where physical strength is the primary qualification. Can they drive the fire truck? Sure. Would I want one to attempt to pull me out of a fiery building on the edge of imminent collapse? No. I'll take the dude made of meat and muscle who is twice her size and three times as strong. We both have a better chance of survival then. Female police officers are a necessity. Someone needs to poke around in the holes to find the meth pipe, and if that's a man, that's going to end badly for both parties. Someone in uniform with a badge needs to be able to attend to the multitude of women and children who are the victims of male violence every damn minute of every damn day. Those victims are more comfortable with women. Women also make very good detectives- a profession where prime physical force and condition are less than necessary. Here's the indicator of whether or not a woman can do a man's job: If a fat man can do it, so can a woman.

As long as you are clear that you denounce the idea there is a cabal of cis white men making sure womens employment is low in these jobs, as opposed to the simple answer women don't typically want/qualify for these jobs. I find third wave feminists suggesting the patriarchy is to blame for the difference in employment not the simple answer of best qualified for the job. Incidentally this shows up quite a bit in racial promotion groups within the united states as well. The conspiracy theories go much much further then just the scenarios I describe.

You mean why do -third wave feminists- consider first world slights a higher priority than...

Yes, the 3rd wave, is specifically what I am referring too. I've always consired Valerie Jean Solanas and prototype 3rd wave feminist. She would identify far closer to third wave femism and she was considered a radical then and frankly mentally unstable to say the least as proven by her actions.

Because that's who you're talking about when you ask those questions, and the nutshell answer is: because they're fucking misogynists dunk on cultural relativism. You may or may not be surprised to hear that there is a trend in libfeminism to defend FGM, because to not supports colonialism. To judge cultures about FGM is white supremacy and relegates intact females to outcast status within the culture. As "a feminist" I reject that shit on its face and in totality.

please explain: "they're fucking misogynists dunk on cultural relativism" "because to not supports colonialism" those sentences make no sense as I'm reading them. You bring up a interesting subject 3W feminists make statements about things that have nothing to do with feminism their own personal politics and question women in general who do not toe the line in that regard. The perfect example is of linda sarsour she's equated global politics to feminism and openly questions any feminists right to identify as such that doesn't support her POV on Palestine. Countless others, the most popular is you're not a true and honest feminist if you voted for orange man. I could go on for 5-6 pages about feminists raising complete non-sequiturs in the name of feminism, trivial things and yet again women are second class citizens in nearly all of the continent of africa and really nobody gives a fuck from the feminist camp I'm hearing about.

"Feminist" in present day western society and pop media is a lazy conflation of many philosophies and worldviews. It's as lazy as the conflation of sex and gender-- and I am not at all convinced those conflations are at all innocuous or out of ignorance, and I reject that shit on its face and in totality.

Then why even identify as one? Why not just state you are in favor of equality? If its been diluted so much just stop unifying under something that fails to serve its own purpose, 3Wfeminism just seems to be another means of identity politics, tribalism, social reparations debt.

At least the "orange man" knows the goddamn difference between sex and gender, and that one is a biological FACT, and the other fantasy, which is more than can be said for the pussy hatted fascists.

And there's an answer from "a feminist"

Piggbacking off of @StrawberryDouche here, but:

Because you have to pick fights you have at least a tiny chance of winning, bud. This is something that comes with experience. A hundred angry ladies in the UK are not going to convince Crown Prince MBS to do shit. If China decides that women don't deserve property rights there's not a whole lot whiteys can do about it. What they can do is lend support to feminists in the West who come from those backgrounds, keep standards high on the homefront, and help to Westernize expats from shitholes, who can in turn influence their homelands to be less shit. FGM is a cultural institution in parts of the world that haven't changed in 1,000 years. Short of actively invading them and installing a colonial government, which wow, is a lovely thought, there is no action that Western feminists can take that will fix the clits of Egypt's baby girls overnight.

That is an incredibly defeatist answer at best, I have to imagine the first wave feminists would be rolling in the graves reading that. Where the hell are you getting the number 100 from? Boycott companies in countries with less than feminist ideals, create/distribute propaganda, form a charitable organization. You're answer may have well been "well its too hard to tackle the most egregious acts as a feminist" If you can explain to me how a protest against Brett Kavenaugh who was sworn into office that cannot be nullified by a protest of hundereds of thousands of "feminists" is better than any of the ideas I listed above you might change my mind. Till then I'm only seeing a collective of people looking for a reason to be triggered at the next microagression. Mansplaining, manspreading theses are the "problems" 3WF is most concerned with.

 

[Feline Darkmage]

I wasn't being literal about a town hall meeting, but they need to do something. This shit has already been out of control for at least five years, and men aren't "allowed" to speak up about it.

It's so out of hand it's only ever mentioned by terminally online woke dipshits circa 2014 and terminally online MRAs freaking out about people who pretty much stopped mentioning it years ago.

 

[Larry Anon]

It's so out of hand it's only ever mentioned by terminally online woke dipshits circa 2014 and terminally online MRAs freaking out about people who pretty much stopped mentioning it years ago.

LOL, fuck off you retarded faggot.

 

[tuscangarder]

It's so out of hand it's only ever mentioned by terminally online woke dipshits circa 2014 and terminally online MRAs freaking out about people who pretty much stopped mentioning it years ago.

He's pretty much the living version of a Youtube skeptics video from back in the day.

 

[Otterly]

Question: do you accept that equality of opportunity is not defined by equality of outcome?

You can never have equality of outcome, only try for equality of opportunity. Even then, you can do it for some stuff and not others. Is it right that rich children have better health outcomes? No, so progressive countries have good quality early years care and health provision. Should women make up 50% of deep sea divers, roughnecks and whatever else requires physical strength? No, because men are stronger.

Why do western feminists consider slights in the first world a higher priority than genital mutilation like female circumcision/ womens sufferage in the third world countries?

Third wavers. All that girl power sex positive intersectional shit is bollocks. Old gits like me remember when women genuinely didn’t have equal rights and protections. We work towards making sure they’re maintained and not rolled back. If men can say they’re women, women and girls will lose their rights to safety, privacy and dignity. If surrogacy is normalised it fucks women over.
There are battles to be fought at home and abroad, but I can’t affect what happens in Saudi or Sudan. I can write to my MP and tell them they lose my vote if they put the rights of Male fetishists above girls and women.

My take on feminism is working towards full equality in terms of rights and protections. Not daft shit like microgressions, or demanding half of profession x be women. I don’t hate men, and I don’t have any time for the intersectional shit or grievance culture.

There are areas where men need focus too - suicide rates in men are terrible. Mental health provision is terrible. Aspirations for young working class boys in poor areas could be miles better. It’s not a zero sum game. The sooner third wave feminism is replaced by something less stupid the better.

 

[Cryin RN]

He's pretty much the living version of a Youtube skeptics video from back in the day.

It's like shitposting against a serious Molymeme sockpuppet.

 

[HG 400]

Metokur is right, and fucking feminists owe a LOT of people apologies for the way they've shit on men for 20 fucking years. I, personally, refuse to help women in any way now, because of the way they've acted.

I'm sorry for shitting on you, but maybe if you weren't too afraid to make eye contact with women you could just ask her to move her handbag?

Question: do you accept that equality of opportunity is not defined by equality of outcome?

IE: being a lumberjack/police officer is a job held by men as its a patriarchal conspiracy or do you accept the science women are typically not physically or mentally equipped to handle jobs, such as those examples?

Of course. The obsession with quotas and disparity is a third-wave phenomenon. Second wave isn't interested in diversity hires, they're interested in fighting the idea that competent female cops and lumberjacks (or, say, male kindergarten teachers) should be seen as freaks or outcasts for violating gender norms.

Question: Why do western feminists consider slights in the first world a higher priority than genital mutilation like female circumcision/ womens sufferage in the third world countries? It appears all that rage/empathy rage stops at the point of convenience for feminists, take a bus downtown to protest a supreme court judge? Sure! Petition the UN to stop actual sharia law? meh, handle that shit later.

Because they're dumb loud third-wave bitches on twitter and nobody should ever take them seriously.

Yes, the 3rd wave, is specifically what I am referring too. I've always consired Valerie Jean Solanas and prototype 3rd wave feminist. She would identify far closer to third wave femism and she was considered a radical then and frankly mentally unstable to say the least as proven by her actions.

Solanas was an untreated schizophrenic who shot Andy Warhol over a business dispute. Her beliefs were still staunchly second-wave, and all of her feminist cred came from authoring the SCUM manifesto, not from randomly shooting a man. It'd be dishonest of me to try and disavow her or paint her as a third-waver just because she threw a thot fit and committed a serious crime, but it's just as dishonest of people to pretend that crime was in any way some kind of terrorist act in furtherance of feminist ideology.

The title says let's talk about second-wave feminism.

So women's lib, ERA, birth control, Roe, Betty Friedan, Germaine Greer, Gloria Steinem, Andrea Dworkin, etc.

Intersectionality, microaggressions, and manspreading is third-wave nonsense.

Boomer feminism or gtfo.

lol clean up my shit, cuckpocket.

 

[troon patrol]

There are battles to be fought at home and abroad, but I can’t affect what happens in Saudi or Sudan. I can write to my MP and tell them they lose my vote if they put the rights of Male fetishists above girls and women.

My take on feminism is working towards full equality in terms of rights and protections. Not daft shit like microgressions, or demanding half of profession x be women. I don’t hate men, and I don’t have any time for the intersectional shit or grievance culture.

Yet again I'm getting another defeatist response. If I hadn't made it clear before I live in the states, I'll make it really easy for anyone who has a hard time simply admitting they DNGAF about womens rights abroad:

Fuck everyone outside the united states, specifically 3rd world ass backwards countries, in the united states we've absorbed mexico's social problems for the last 50+ years our country on the southern border has gone to shit, crime, poverty, and the working class have been obliterated in liberal southern US cities. Fuck mexico fuck the US liberals that let mexico dump its social problems here. Fuck Africa, the entire continent, the last time the united states interveined in a humanitarian crisis was Mogadishu millions of nogs were starving for a handful of warlord nogs we lost good men fighting a battle for niggers who dragged our dead through the streets desecrating their remains, when it came to actually firefights debriefing records show the locals literally used women as human shields as they fired upon US special forces. Fuck africa. Rhodesia was an amazing country "the breadbasket" of africa, then the liberals and UN intervened mostly to obtain uranium through good politics (google that sometime) they made the evil white man give up control of the gov and give it to the nogs what followed was a social disaster. Even forgetting the racial slaughter of white families the entire country plunged into recession/inflation and in the current day they are literally begging for the Boers/English to return and right the country. Did I mention Fuck africa? Same goes for the country of south africa, its basically rhodesia 2.0.

My point being I am extremely comfortable saying fuck the rest of the world, the united states has social problems of our own we need to fix. Waiting on a self described feminist to say something like that, going to get a pot of coffee going I don't expect and answer anytime soon, all the feminists I've ever met tell me they have the moral high-ground on me, their feels are much deeper than a savage nationalist such as myself.

 

[FI 665]

Yet again I'm getting another defeatist response. If I hadn't made it clear before I live in the states, I'll make it really easy for anyone who has a hard time simply admitting they DNGAF about womens rights abroad:

Fuck everyone outside the united states, specifically 3rd world ass backwards countries, in the united states we've absorbed mexico's social problems for the last 50+ years our country on the southern border has gone to shit, crime, poverty, and the working class have been obliterated in liberal southern US cities. Fuck mexico fuck the US liberals that let mexico dump its social problems here. Fuck Africa, the entire continent, the last time the united states interveined in a humanitarian crisis was Mogadishu millions of nogs were starving for a handful of warlord nogs we lost good men fighting a battle for niggers who dragged our dead through the streets desecrating their remains, when it came to actually firefights debriefing records show the locals literally used women as human shields as they fired upon US special forces. Fuck africa. Rhodesia was an amazing country "the breadbasket" of africa, then the liberals and UN intervened mostly to obtain uranium through good politics (google that sometime) they made the evil white man give up control of the gov and give it to the nogs what followed was a social disaster. Even forgetting the racial slaughter of white families the entire country plunged into recession/inflation and in the current day they are literally begging for the Boers/English to return and right the country. Did I mention Fuck africa? Same goes for the country of south africa, its basically rhodesia 2.0.

My point being I am extremely comfortable saying fuck the rest of the world, the united states has social problems of our own we need to fix. Waiting on a self described feminist to say something like that, going to get a pot of coffee going I don't expect and answer anytime soon, all the feminists I've ever met tell me they have the moral high-ground on me, their feels are much deeper than a savage nationalist such as myself.

...Did you just see Black Hawk Down or what, dude.