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While I agree, it's still exceedingly rare.
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Yeah. And Jon isn't intersex, so it's all redundant.
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Can the JCCF ask for costs for those clients? And can they do so now as part of their closing or do they need to do a separate action after this one is decided? Also, we will get to read the closing arguments, yeah? Even if there's a fee, they won't be sealed or something, right?
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I'm also curious about this, I hope that JCCF counter sues the same day as the decision tbh.
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What was the situation with the Laser Cut thing? When he got that penalty? Was that costs awarded to laser cut? I really can't remember.
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Yes, on 12/12 Devyn ruled to allow Jay Cameron to argue costs for Poyer and her BF. He was permitted to argue for costs having to do with JY backing out of the case without proper notice to JCCF/Poyer, resulting in them having to spend more legal time, getting a waxing expert on board, etc. without knowing JY had backed out. The claim is indirectly referred to in a later Devyn brief implying that the matter had never reached fruition.
That said, @Cato (or anyone else familiar w/the Canadian system): Can you file for costs--i.e. legal time--with the BCHRT? Costs are a major way nonprofit legal teams in the US make money (ACLU, adflegal.org). The JCCF has itself taken on five of these cases pro-bono and it's all donor-funded. Could they argue costs to recoup their time?
@theshep Yes, the $150 was called "costs" but I can't remember what they were for. I had the impression from Devyn's memo that it was more of a fine. Certainly, the respondent spent more money on lawyer Randhawa or Randhawa ate those billable hours himself.
That said, @Cato (or anyone else familiar w/the Canadian system): Can you file for costs--i.e. legal time--with the BCHRT? Costs are a major way nonprofit legal teams in the US make money (ACLU, adflegal.org). The JCCF has itself taken on five of these cases pro-bono and it's all donor-funded. Could they argue costs to recoup their time?
@theshep Yes, the $150 was called "costs" but I can't remember what they were for. I had the impression from Devyn's memo that it was more of a fine. Certainly, the respondent spent more money on lawyer Randhawa or Randhawa ate those billable hours himself.
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I certainly hope the JCCF get a more reasonable amount this time around! $150 is clearly a symbolic gesture.
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Remember the X vs Hot Mess case? It was supposed to be about haircuts and got scheduled this month, but nothing was ever said about it.
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They asked for a costs award because they asserted JY's claims were not in good faith:
"Laser Cut argues that JY’s conduct in respect of her waxing complaints demonstrates that she has not filed the complaints in good faith. It says that she has engaged in a pattern of conduct which suggests that she targets new or small businesses, run by immigrants to Canada. In doing so, Laser Cut submits that JY is motivated in part by racism and in part by the expectation of financial gain. In those few circumstances where the respondent has mounted a defense, she has withdrawn her complaint. It argues that this conduct is an abuse of the Tribunal’s process, which has had real detrimental effects. It submits two affidavits: one from the employee who dealt with JY and one from the business owner. The owner says, as a result of JY’s complaint and behaviour, one employee has quit and the small business has suffered."
DC's award of $150 gave lots of leeway to JY, while noting that there may be some substance to the Laser Cut claims, hence the lowball amount.
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But the point is they can never be fertile in BOTH ways. Even in the case of the various Intersex conditions only one can be in any way functional. Functional Ovaries and Testes cannot coexist in that manner. When something goes wrong developmentally it can't do what Yaniv claims to be.
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I think JY might be the one to "fix" Canadian HRTs. Either 1) make it so the plaintiff has to show a pecuniary loss (other than just showing up and asking for 500 billion loonies) 2) change it so there is no monetary reward 3) any fines go to the state.
Rei is shit
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Devyn made her twitter private. Last week or so it wasnt, even though she hadn't tweet anything in ages.
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November! These people have to have the sword of yaniv hanging over their head from this sham court for months? Every time I think I can't be any more disgusted with this nonsense in Canada they go and make it worse.
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Yeah, I think so too. I think DC will rule against him and deny costs on the ground he's got no case law to back them.
Well, this is where it gets interesting. Jay Cameron is an actual lawyer and knows how to cite case law. With a bit of luck he'll make a successful application for costs.
JCCF have a page on the case here
Our Cases | Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms
Click here to see our concluded cases Click here to see our out-of-court victories Index JY v. Various Waxing Salons Summer camps charity v. 2019 Canada Summer Jobs Program Freedom of speech on billboards v. Foothills Municipal District Bruce Spence v. Manitoba Public Insurance Foster Care...
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Not much detail we don't already know unfortunately. Also the BCHRT only makes the complaint and response public, both of which contain little of substance.
In his case against Laser Cut DC denied his application for costs but awarded Laser Cut $150
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This was a nominal sum to convey the Tribunal's disapproval of JY filing complaints and then withdrawing when the respondent mounts a defence.
Now if you look at the upcoming cases it seems like the respondents can claim actual monetary loss. Merle Norman closed a shop, some of the other respondents stopped doing business from their homes. Clearly they've suffered non trivial monetary loss from JY's 'it puts the wax on the balls or it gets the tribunal' bullshit and Cameron is smart enough to cite case law for each respondent's costs application.
Now I'm going to get rated
for this and maybe there is an element of optimistic or even wishful thinking here but it seems like logically the next case will find against JY's claim for costs but in favour of the respondents and for an amount more than the $150 the last case cost him.
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Yaniv is exactly like all the other autistic, male to female tranny "lesbian" cows with threads here: perpetual virgins for life. If they ever do manage to get laid, it's virtually inevitable that it's with a fellow tranny, that's why the female form is such a mystery to their kind.
If they looked at women as individual people rather than the ellusive objects of their desire, they might befriend one and learn a little something about them. But that's impossible because it would require them to not be so awkward and disgusting. They would prefer to learn by creeping around public restrooms and gym dressing rooms.
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Also they tend to not befriend women because they fucking hate them. It's a strange dichotomy, I know, and it requires a large amount of cognitive dissonance but they manage.
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True that. We’re discussing men who often troon out to become the girlfriend they could never get, even to the point of actually bragging about it and creating dumb anime memes of “I’m my own waifu uwu”
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I suspect that Blanchard's transsexual typology has some truth to it
Blanchard's transsexualism typology - Wikipedia
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So someone like Blaire White is a homosexual transsexual who is 'feminine in both behavior and appearance'. Johnny Boy here is a classic autogynephilic transsexual who is attracted to the idea of himself as a woman but seethes with jealousy, lust and rage at actual women who are instinctively wary of him.
Theoretically autogynephilic transsexuals (aka 'troons') would be more likely to get a thread, or even a forum, here than homosexual transsexuals.
I mean White has a thread here, but it's not very active. Yaniv has a forum where people spend ages cataloguing and analysing his insanity and awaiting his downfall.
On the upside if you look here
J Yaniv Case: Sister-Solidarity Fund organized by Hannah Juniper
This fund will serve in its entirety to assist women traumatized by the British Co… Hannah Juniper needs your support for J Yaniv Case: Sister-Solidarity Fund
It's raised $10K in 14 days. Three months is about 90 days, so it should easily get to the $25K they're trying to raise given the media storm over this case, and the fact that almost everyone thinks Yaniv is in the wrong.
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Just like that wolfkin whomever (i forget his name) cow who screeches that he’s a real woman no matter what, then expresses disgust that only trans women will date him. He wants a True and Honest Vagina because he knows deep down he’s a straight man and not a lesbian.
They demand we all say they’re indistinguishable from bio women, then throw a fit when they can only get trans women as dates because they want a real set of girly bits to mongle. The hypocrisy is hilarious.
I suspect that Blanchard's transsexual typology has some truth to it
Blanchard's transsexualism typology - Wikipedia
So someone like Blaire White is a homosexual transsexual who is 'feminine in both behavior and appearance'. Johnny Boy here is a classic autogynephilic transsexual who is attracted to the idea of himself as a woman but seethes with jealousy, lust and rage at actual women who are instinctively wary of him.
Theoretically autogynephilic transsexuals (aka 'troons') would be more likely to get a thread, or even a forum, here than homosexual transsexuals.
Either category has the same result: trans people who insist that trans people are identical to bio-gendered people, but also insist on getting a bio-gendered mate. They call it transphobia on the part of those who won’t date them, but they're just as transphobic because deep down they don’t feel a trans mate is good enough, especially the men who trooned out to get lesbians to fuck him and.now has reduced his dating pool to other troons.
E: i have to disagree, I don’t think Yaniv even LIKES being a woman, he just does it to access victims and hurt-feels court. Even when doing his pretend-reviews of vibrators he’s never used, he still couldn’t help himself from adding onto a review “this is ALSO good if you have a dick, it feels awesome, not that I would know, here’s a detailed description on how to use it on your dick.” That description was way more anatomically accurate than his pretend-vagina description.
Even when larping as a lady he can’t help but start talking like a man. Troonery is just a means to an end for him.
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