Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Chudbacca]

"Am I an idiot? Yes. Yes, I'm an idiot." --Dumford

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All this explaining just so he doesn't lose face to complete assholes. Just come over to the light side, Mike. Normal people don't keep trying to destroy you after admitting fault. Who gives a shit? You were wrong, Nick was right, and you accept it. End of story. Except for all the dick-swinging and constant need for conflict and dunking on your perceived opponents that happens on LolTwitter - that story will never fucking end. It'll be like American television that overstays its welcome after the first few seasons.

 

[Private Pyle]

what you suggest is impossible. even trying to form a company that openly opposes the sjw narrative is PR suicide. no investor or creditor will touch your project, distributors and other service providers will be reluctant at best when it comes to working with you, and everyone associated with you will be hounded by the mob on social media.

Wouldn’t the trick be not openly market yourself as openly anti SJW? It’s all in the wording; you just market yourself as an alternative to more mainstream media. “Alternative” doesn’t imply any political ideology but does open up a market for those fed up with things like the big two. Of course, I’m no marketer so I’m not sure how well this would work.

 

[Garm]

what you suggest is impossible. even trying to form a company that openly opposes the sjw narrative is PR suicide. no investor or creditor will touch your project, distributors and other service providers will be reluctant at best when it comes to working with you, and everyone associated with you will be hounded by the mob on social media.

Like I said I'm a wild optimist at heart. And I consider myself to be part of the Maker Movement, so nothing is "unhackable". If you study something you will know how it will react. And if you decentralize an industry, then there chance for change and innovation.

So if you believe that there is a single, monolithic "SJW Inc" that has infested every major company and piece of infrastructure, then the task looks impossible.

But if take a closer look, you might see cracks appear. SJW's cannot be everywhere. Nor do they have mind reading powers. They can be tricked. They can be made complacent and weak.

If these companies have to do direct mail, then so be it. Forego major social media like Twitter and Facebook because your audience isn't going to be there anyway.

Actually, Mark Waid of all people made a website called "Thrillbent" to try and produce independent comics as webcomics.

My point is that people will have to get creative. Censorship is a wall. You can go around walls, over walls, under walls, or punch through walls if really needed.

Edit: My figer slipped and pressed "post" too soon.

 

[xyz741]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Vic being innocent relies on everyone accusing him being liars and horrible people.

Vic being guilty relies on everyone accusing him being liars and horrible people.

Either they're lying about being assaulted to ruin an innocent man's life, or they all stayed silent and covered up years of him harassing and molesting their coworkers and underaged girls, while pretending to be good friends with him.

There's actually a third possibility:
Vic is both "innocent" and "guilty". How? Vic did most of the things he's accused of, but most/all of the people speaking are changing how they "feel" about what happened. Anime conventions of the mid 2000s were frankly the "wild west". It's not difficult to find stories of lunatic fujos flat out assaulting people with "yaoi paddles". You also had the "glomp" craze (again, mostly perpetuated by girls) that is easily frameable as sexual assault (you run at a person and grab them into a tight embrace, often without any consent or even knowledge of who you are), in the early 2010s many lunatics tried to setup the liability nightmare that was "in-character dating games". And I'm sure I could think of many other examples of idiocy from 5-15 years ago that many SJWs would look at now and think conventions were setting up to train future assailants despite the fact that back THEN staff would usually be called nazis for trying to stop it.

A bunch of people that went to cons a decade ago are embarrassed by completely benign things like cosplay or taking part in stupidity like screaming "you just lost the game" over and over, so it's not really surprising if some of them are similarly having "buyer's remorse" about fangirling over Vic or other D-list celebrities back then.

 

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These comments on the ANN article about Mari Ijima...

 

[ManateeHunter]

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MY SIDES HAVE GONE TO THE MOON

 

[2lolis1cup]

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Oh hello you're back? Lets see what you have to say today.
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Wow you found my steam, that was so so hard.

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What else would you like? I mean if you really want to come after me you know who I am and where to find me.

Austin, Texas

I'm so sorry for your loss.

 

[El Jagre]

There's actually a third possibility:
Vic is both "innocent" and "guilty". How? Vic did most of the things he's accused of, but most/all of the people speaking are changing how they "feel" about what happened. Anime conventions of the mid 2000s were frankly the "wild west". It's not difficult to find stories of lunatic fujos flat out assaulting people with "yaoi paddles". You also had the "glomp" craze (again, mostly perpetuated by girls) that is easily frameable as sexual assault (you run at a person and grab them into a tight embrace, often without any consent or even knowledge of who you are), in the early 2010s many lunatics tried to setup the liability nightmare that was "in-character dating games". And I'm sure I could think of many other examples of idiocy from 5-15 years ago that many SJWs would look at now and think conventions were setting up to train future assailants despite the fact that back THEN staff would usually be called nazis for trying to stop it.

A bunch of people that went to cons a decade ago are embarrassed by completely benign things like cosplay or taking part in stupidity like screaming "you just lost the game" over and over, so it's not really surprising if some of them are similarly having "buyer's remorse" about fangirling over Vic or other D-list celebrities back then.

I do have a hard time believing that there has been so OP going on for over a decade to ruin vic's life, so it's likely this third option.

But I 100% believe that in the current situation, Monica and her people are lying. Theyve resorted to doxing and lying about getting swatted, and this all started because ANN needed the heat taken off then after a former employee was outted as a predator and the founder was accused of misconduct, why should I believe them?

Unfortunately if they lose this court case it's going to discredit anyone vic actually got too touchy feely with, i dont think it ever got as far as molestation or sexual assault though, if he is guilty.

I've heard one story where he got caught in a closet making out with someone that may or may not have been of age, and someone I know said they heard that he go caught with someone in his hotel room, they weren't actually doing anything but it was still weird that someone that might not be legal was in his hotel room, so they dont invite him back.

And I heard the first story back in 2010.

 

[Chudbacca]

I'm just bemused this bitch said I wIlL nOt bE SiLeNcEd, immediately proceeded to shut down all her social media.

Now five days later she's barking at me while behind protected mode because she did the excruciating laborious task of searching my name and *shock* found my steam profile which is the eighth result on google, and somehow she think's this is a big accomplishment to boast about and somehow that puts me in fear.

Oh and just for the record

I don't care about or even like Vic, I doxxed him too
You'll see that if you actually looked me up fully you illiterate abbo cum guzzling attention whore.

She's retarded. You're wasting time with a literal mentally retarded person. It couldn't be clearer. If this was a normal person acting this way, it'd be almost interesting, but she clearly isn't normal in any way. This is the equivalent of a sub 50 IQ person picking their ass and sucking on their finger. It's just what they do because their brains are severely fucked up.

I think you ought to give her a hand and refer her to social services, maybe get her into a residential care facility. But I don't know what they have in Aussie Land. Maybe they just spend $0.50 on a .45 round and call it a day.

Apparently she's so assblasted because one of her beta orbiters has cuckrage and she's worried about him paying her a visit which is who she initially blamed for her dox dropping.

Also for a nobody she sure had Dominique Skye and UnderdogBT coming to defend her.
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Also to remind you, she found out I doxxed her five days ago

Lol. Dominique Skye is such a disgusting whore. Terrible fucking person.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Expect they don't kill, and whatever ANTIFA's kill count is, it's fucking low if they is any on record. They don't have blood on their hands so no matter how fucked up they are, they ain't murders, but they try in the most bitchmade method. They know the moment they kill someone, their credibility as a victim is shot because even those fuckwards know they can't spin this as a justified homicide.

Russian Deadpool is sitting in a jail cell for killing. August Aimes was driven to suicide. And I'm sure there are a few others out there that are directly tied to one exceptional or another.

Just last week an ANTIFA idiot tried firebombing at an immigrant detention center and was promptly shot dead by the feds.

Go back a bit and you have Ted Kazynski, who was very much a proto-SJW pulling the Unibomber spree.

You have Rod Coronado, Dave Foreman and their Earth First/EarthAnimal Liberation Front, two more proto-SJW front groups killing and maiming lumberjacks in the PNW with the 'direct action' of industrial sabotage. And of course releasing all sorts of lab animals with various dangerous diseases into the wild.

However, SJW is just the latest incarnation of 'communist'. "Authoritative communist.' They were indoctrinated into the marxist based beliefs by their openly marxist/socialist professors and teachers, which are far and away the dominant number of 'educators' in 'Murica and the rest of the world. They can call themselves SJW or environmentalists or (illegal)immigration/open borders advocates, animal rights crusaders, trans rights activists, Feminists, militant homosexuals etc...etc...etc, but it all has marxism at the core. And that core has the highest kill count of anyone, Allah's apostles included.

And the media flatly refused so far to point any of it out. In fact, they try blaming it on everyone BUT those who actually hold responsibility.

 

[QD 846]

Russian Deadpool is sitting in a jail cell for killing. August Aimes was driven to suicide. And I'm sure there are a few others out there that are directly tied to one exceptional or another.

Just last week an ANTIFA idiot tried firebombing at an immigrant detention center and was promptly shot dead by the feds.

Go back a bit and you have Ted Kazynski, who was very much a proto-SJW pulling the Unibomber spree.

You have Rod Coronado, Dave Foreman and their Earth First/EarthAnimal Liberation Front, two more proto-SJW front groups killing and maiming lumberjacks in the PNW with the 'direct action' of industrial sabotage. And of course releasing all sorts of lab animals with various dangerous diseases into the wild.

However, SJW is just the latest incarnation of 'communist'. "Authoritative communist.' They were indoctrinated into the marxist based beliefs by their openly marxist/socialist professors and teachers, which are far and away the dominant number of 'educators' in 'Murica and the rest of the world. They can call themselves SJW or environmentalists or (illegal)immigration/open borders advocates, animal rights crusaders, trans rights activists, Feminists, militant homosexuals etc...etc...etc, but it all has marxism at the core. And that core has the highest kill count of anyone, Allah's apostles included.

And the media flatly refused so far to point any of it out. In fact, they try blaming it on everyone BUT those who actually hold responsibility.

you are mostly right, but the unabomber does not fit your pattern at all. his ideology was very unique and distinct, not a part of marxism, and in fact he explicitly rejected and denounced leftism (especially among academics) as an example of what he refered to as "oversocialisation".

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

you are mostly right, but the unabomber does not fit your pattern at all. his ideology was very unique and distinct, not a part of marxism, and in fact he explicitly rejected and denounced leftism (especially among academics) as an example of what he refered to as "oversocialisation".

I'd point out that Kaz was a self proclaimed 'Radical Environmentalist". So IMO, he fits the pattern exactly.

 

[JamFlowMan]

Expect they don't kill, and whatever ANTIFA's kill count is, it's fucking low if they is any on record. They don't have blood on their hands so no matter how fucked up they are, they ain't murders, but they try in the most bitchmade method. They know the moment they kill someone, their credibility as a victim is shot because even those fuckwards know they can't spin this as a justified homicide.

They don't have blood on their hands yet. First they were peaceful protestors, then they started fucking up property, then they started fucking up people, it doesn't take clairvoyance to see where this road ends.

 

[SpiceWeasel21]

Read his thread (or at least the 2019 portion). Here is a visual guide:
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He could have kept making his boring anti-SJW content for years to come and raked in tons more money, but Metokur taunting him about saving the west and later his suit drove him off a cliff. Now he is close to being completely de-platformed and publicly known for killing UKIP and as the Rape-man.

It was more Dicky Spencer telling Carl of Applebee's that he's not as smart as he thinks he is that drove him off the deep end. This is about the only thing Dicky has done to benefit society.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

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"Percy continues to look incompetent"

Nigga. NIGGA FO REAL? People look incompetent alright. But it ain't the lawyer having to run around after all the defendants waving their arms around going "NYAH NYAH YOU CAN'T CATCH OUR 400+ PAGE TCPA~~!" then turning around and shitting on the deposition desk. Vomiting on Twitter saying 'nope we saw a friend of a sister's grandmother get kissed on the cheek, he raped her for sure!'

At the risk of sounding biased, Ty is the one kicking their ass, and the little faggy tricks they try to employ are being dealt with perfectly. Try again Douchette. You're not even involved, so getting that invested in a side that doesn't know or care about you is just depressing and sad.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

teds ideas were about industrialisation and technology being inherently harmful, and that the only way forward was to somehow remove them from the equation entirely and return to a low tech agrarian society. his ideas about 'environmentalism' were radically different than those of marxist environmentalists, who basically just use the whole thing as yet another tool to hammer home their "fuck america, fuck the west, fuck white people" talking points.

again, you are right in that most of the groups and movements you talk about (including environmentalism) are filled to the brim with marxism, but ted isn't one of them.

Communism naturally returns societies it touches to agrarian every time it takes hold. The Russian famine and the present state of Venezuela are two examples.

Overall, my point is that just because a person/group does not advertize itself as communist/socialist/marxist, and many scream bloody murder they are not, doesn't mean that they arent. In Kaz's case, regardless of how his OWN manifesto tries to twist his actions, they are all centered in the Marxist ideals/goals that many before him laid down. Ted K is just another in a long line of people that believed 'real communism'(trademark) was never tried and he had the way, truth and light to make his version work. He just didn't call HIS particular duck...a duck.

 

[Random Internet Person]

you mean brexit party, not conservatives, but yes you are correct. ukip had already lost almost all its support and was polling in the low single digits even before sargon joined. in the long run, sargons spergery hasn't really made a difference, the party was on its way into the dumpster regardless.

From what I've seen it's more Nigel Farage becoming the British Trump after the vote and the Tories losing massive support because they kept stalling and screwing with Brexit to the point that Theresa May was forced to resign.

And of course releasing all sorts of lab animals with various dangerous diseases into the wild.

Hey, that kickstarted the plot of 28 Days Later. If there's anything else we need, it's zombies.

They don't have blood on their hands yet. First they were peaceful protestors, then they started fucking up property, then they started fucking up people, it doesn't take clairvoyance to see where this road ends.

I feel like the only reason we haven't seen any massive shitstorm since that one time at Berkeley, let alone some "second Civil War" is because the rights and the Proud Boys/Oathkeepers types like to "take the moral high ground" and not try to take on Antifa directly with their bats and pipes and two by fours and mace and bike locks. They're completely content with hoping that unmasking laws and designating Antifa a terrorist group is enough to stop them, and yet every time they're surprised when somebody has to go to the hospital or some random nobody ends up getting their shit kicked in along with cops not aggressively pursuing Antifa people in the act, even if there wasn't a stand down order. Is it that hard to at least get your own private security or have a bunch of your boys get a securities license, armed or otherwise?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I've heard one story

That's how we got here...

 

[Allanon]

I do have a hard time believing that there has been so OP going on for over a decade to ruin vic's life, so it's likely this third option.

But I 100% believe that in the current situation, Monica and her people are lying. Theyve resorted to doxing and lying about getting swatted, and this all started because ANN needed the heat taken off then after a former employee was outted as a predator and the founder was accused of misconduct, why should I believe them?

Unfortunately if they lose this court case it's going to discredit anyone vic actually got too touchy feely with, i dont think it ever got as far as molestation or sexual assault though, if he is guilty.

I've heard one story where he got caught in a closet making out with someone that may or may not have been of age, and someone I know said they heard that he go caught with someone in his hotel room, they weren't actually doing anything but it was still weird that someone that might not be legal was in his hotel room, so they dont invite him back.

And I heard the first story back in 2010.

It's gonna become a verbal tic, but that's because it doesn't go back decades. It goes back exactly to 2010. That's why you heard the first story in 2010. He never did any of it. There's zero evidence of any accusation before 2010 except him being a big ol' meanie - which only started popping up once he started talking about yaoi fangirls being silly/him not wanting to sign yaoi (circa 2006). In 2009 he said in no uncertain terms he wasn't into yaoi and never would be and 'it's okay if you are, but I'm not', and the cons where he said this got recorded and uploaded onto youtube. Just like magic, the rumors appeared by 2010. Occasionally 4chan made mention of him being a creeper before that, but it's 4chan. That kind of accusation from them means nothing.

The stories you're quoting are all nonsense rumors created starting 2010 (though the sex creeper ones really started in 2012, there was the odd story tossed around from 2010 onward). It hasn't gone back decades. They just want you to think it has, because it lends weight if they were around for 20-30 years, compared to all materializing overnight less than a decade ago in direct response to Vic being anti-yaoi. And yes. It has been going on to ruin Vic's life since 2010 because fujoshi are legitimately that petty and nasty. It's not an exaggeration. Trace it back to the source and you'll always find an enraged fujo complaining that Vic didn't agree their pretty boy of choice is gay.

I'll say it for the nth time. It doesn't go back decades. There is no fire. There's only fujos burning with rage and spite at a man who refused to bow to them.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

From what I've seen it's more Nigel Farage becoming the British Trump after the vote and the Tories losing massive support because they kept stalling and screwing with Brexit to the point that Theresa May was forced to resign.


Hey, that kickstarted the plot of 28 Days Later. If there's anything else we need, it's zombies.


I feel like the only reason we haven't seen any massive shitstorm since that one time at Berkeley, let alone some "second Civil War" is because the rights and the Proud Boys/Oathkeepers types like to "take the moral high ground" and not try to take on Antifa directly with their bats and pipes and two by fours and mace and bike locks. They're completely content with hoping that unmasking laws and designating Antifa a terrorist group is enough to stop them, and yet every time they're surprised when somebody has to go to the hospital or some random nobody ends up getting their shit kicked in along with cops not aggressively pursuing Antifa people in the act, even if there wasn't a stand down order. Is it that hard to at least get your own private security or have a bunch of your boys get a securities license, armed or otherwise?

I think it's a case that most of the right understands that once in, it's all in and thats something to avoid until the poop impacts the rotating device for real. Many of the Oathkeeper types are ex-military and understand the consequences whereas ANTIFA types think it's some romantic Chi-shirt undertaking.