Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

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What is the Instagram account of the woman in Kate Farms Shill's avatar? I was on the account earlier and noticed she met "squirmy and grubs." I find them interesting. I was surprised there is no content on them on here. I saw elsewhere that people speculate if it is a financial arrangement and they are not actually a couple or that Hannah has some type of fetish.
Apparently, she saw a documentary about him and sought him out.

As far as I am concerned, if she does, in fact, have a sexual relationship with this man it has to be a fetish.
Shane Burcaw has spinal muscular atrophy. Other than S-J probably being fascinated with someone who has a real illness, I'm not sure why we might discuss his sex life here. People have all sorts of reasons for dating others (whether fetish or otherwise), but it sure as hell ain't munchausens in this case.

In other news, S-J got called out on the blood pressure post she made, seen earlier in this thread here:
guys, her breathing is strong

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BUT was pain endorsed? That's what I want to know!

One of her precious followers called out the fact that 108/73 is not low; it's actually a good BP. She takes it as an opportunity to talk about her diarrhea. It's always about that diarrhea. We can only aspire to have the same connection with a loved one that S-J has with her diarrhea, y'all. Also, she says that maybe the nurse read it out wrong, and she didn't look to check. A lot of the time, nurses read it aloud solely to make sure that they're recording it correctly, so it's another check for them. It's a habit to maintain accuracy, so it's unlikely that the nurse said it wrong, but maybe S-J is setting up a case for her condishuns affecting her hearing. That would be fun.
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Ahh the "only surgeon in Europe that does cervical fusion" again. Except the NHS does have surgeons trained to do this - it's just a very risky surgery to have if you have a connective tissue disorder so they'll only do it if there is no other option for a patient with EDS/CCI. Wearing a fuckoff great neckbrace isn't comfy or flattering, but it comes with far less risk.

It's actually a more complicated than this. Cervical fusion is a fairly standard neurosurgical procedure. It is readily available in the UK, and is routinely done if there is evidence of craniocervical junction instability - there are plenty of connective tissue disorders which cause this, Down syndrome, Morquio syndrome, Marfan syndrome, infections, rheumatoid arthritis, etc. as well as trauma.

The fundamental issue is that whether EDS causes craniocervical junction instability is extremely controversial. If you use the conventional, long established diagnostic criteria for diagnosis, then it is ultra rare in EDS - only a handful of recorded cases in the medical literature (only 1 that is unambiguous). The result is that almost no neurosurgeons will operate on EDS "CCI" cases, because it is a potentially high risk procedure and these patients don't meet conventional diagnostic criteria for the condition.

In the UK, there is considerable pressure only to offer "evidence based" treatments; i.e. there should be a trial demonstrating that a particular treatment works in a particular situation (and if a trial result is not available, then there needs to be some other compelling argument for offering a particular treatment). This is very much lacking in the general case of EDS "CCI".

If someone has brainstem compression with unambiguous symptoms such as paralysis and/or the brainstem is compressed on MRI, or the spine is not lining up correctly and the brainstem is about to be compressed, or moves excessively on X-rays taken when flexed or extended, then there is no real doubt as to the diagnosis.

What about all these EDS patients with "symptoms of brainstem compression" like POTS, brain fog, sleep disturbance, vomiting, dizziness, etc.? If you MRI them, they don't have brainstem compression. The spine lines up correctly, If you do X-rays, then it doesn't move around much on flexion and extension. But surely, they must have some intermittent compression causing all these symptoms. We just aren't seeing it. We know they are hypermobile, so it stands to reason that there is intermittent compression; so what is needed is to stabilise the spine. That is the argument put forward by 3 neurosurgeons: 1 in Barcelona, 1 in New York and 1 in Maryland.

These surgeons have tried to come up with a variety of diagnostic criteria. The Maryland surgeon came up with some "consensus" criteria (but the Barcelona and New York ones don't use it, so there really is no consensus). These criteria attempt to diagnose brainstem compression on MRI, not by looking at the brainstem and whether it is compressed or not, but by measuring various angles and distances in the spine using upright MRI. There are lots of problems with these measures, including evidence of hopeless repeatbility (a differerent doc looking at the same image can produce a completely different measurement), sensitivity to errors and posture, and poorly (or possibly incorrectly) defined normal/abnormal ranges. There is also the slightly dubious explanation of why the compression isn't visible - it's not actually compression, it's stretching!

Many surgeons looking at this, argue as follows: You're making a decision for surgery based on symptoms of POTS and brain fog, and a niche test (upright MRI) which few doctors have access to, looking for imaging features which are unreliable and may be normal.

At least the Maryland guy has actually written down his criteria, and has published some results (albeit a survey of patients, asking for patient reported outcomes like "I think the surgery has improved my symptoms"), although the results are purely self-reported symptoms (no objective measures, like number of prescriptions, employment history, etc. or even a review of symptom diaries filled in before and after surgery). Doing this work privately, and treating people from around the world, the patients often don't come back for follow-up, so he never sees them again.

The New York guy, basically says that upright MRI is not very useful. The only way to diagnose the condition is to pin a halo traction frame to the skull, apply traction with weights and pulleys, and see if the symptoms resolve when the head is pulled up against gravity, ideally doing X-rays before and after to see if the spinal alignment changes. He used to do major surgery like on Tonia's pics, on the basis that in EDS, the connective tissue is abnormal and weak, so huge amounts of metal are needed to stabilise the spine, but he had "terrible" results. He now does an extremely minimal surgery, which apparently works much better. However, although he likes to talk about his "excellent" results, he has never given any numbers at any conference where he has been invited to speak. He has never published any written papers with results.

The Barcelona guy doesn't even go to the conferences, let alone write up what he does. He appears to use conventional MRI to decide, using measures based on rotating the head to the left and right (assessing rotational measures is just as much of a minefield as the various upright MRI measures). No one has any idea what his decision process is. By the looks of Tonia's pics, he's doing very extensive surgery.

The you have the radiologists at the upright MRI sites - they've got their own idea of how to diagnoses CCI in EDS, and it doesn't correspond to any of the surgeons, but they will do the measurements the surgeons ask for because the surgeon's don't believe their interpretation.

Now of course, one or more of these surgeons may be right. One has at least attempted to put together a reasoned argument for his stretching hypothesis, based on engineering software intended to measure stretching and distortion of mechanical components. However, the general consensus in the neurosurgical community (at least in Europe and the UK) is that the diagnostic criteria are too vague and too unreliable, there is no consensus on what type of surgery should be done, and there is no good quality outcome data to show whether the surgery is actually of benefit. There is a real risk that some of the people doing this work are being blinded by confirmation bias, because to an outsider, the quality of the science appears dire.
 
It's actually a more complicated than this. Cervical fusion is a fairly standard neurosurgical procedure. It is readily available in the UK, and is routinely done if there is evidence of craniocervical junction instability - there are plenty of connective tissue disorders which cause this, Down syndrome, Morquio syndrome, Marfan syndrome, infections, rheumatoid arthritis, etc. as well as trauma.

The fundamental issue is that whether EDS causes craniocervical junction instability is extremely controversial. If you use the conventional, long established diagnostic criteria for diagnosis, then it is ultra rare in EDS - only a handful of recorded cases in the medical literature (only 1 that is unambiguous). The result is that almost no neurosurgeons will operate on EDS "CCI" cases, because it is a potentially high risk procedure and these patients don't meet conventional diagnostic criteria for the condition.

In the UK, there is considerable pressure only to offer "evidence based" treatments; i.e. there should be a trial demonstrating that a particular treatment works in a particular situation (and if a trial result is not available, then there needs to be some other compelling argument for offering a particular treatment). This is very much lacking in the general case of EDS "CCI".

If someone has brainstem compression with unambiguous symptoms such as paralysis and/or the brainstem is compressed on MRI, or the spine is not lining up correctly and the brainstem is about to be compressed, or moves excessively on X-rays taken when flexed or extended, then there is no real doubt as to the diagnosis.

What about all these EDS patients with "symptoms of brainstem compression" like POTS, brain fog, sleep disturbance, vomiting, dizziness, etc.? If you MRI them, they don't have brainstem compression. The spine lines up correctly, If you do X-rays, then it doesn't move around much on flexion and extension. But surely, they must have some intermittent compression causing all these symptoms. We just aren't seeing it. We know they are hypermobile, so it stands to reason that there is intermittent compression; so what is needed is to stabilise the spine. That is the argument put forward by 3 neurosurgeons: 1 in Barcelona, 1 in New York and 1 in Maryland.

These surgeons have tried to come up with a variety of diagnostic criteria. The Maryland surgeon came up with some "consensus" criteria (but the Barcelona and New York ones don't use it, so there really is no consensus). These criteria attempt to diagnose brainstem compression on MRI, not by looking at the brainstem and whether it is compressed or not, but by measuring various angles and distances in the spine using upright MRI. There are lots of problems with these measures, including evidence of hopeless repeatbility (a differerent doc looking at the same image can produce a completely different measurement), sensitivity to errors and posture, and poorly (or possibly incorrectly) defined normal/abnormal ranges. There is also the slightly dubious explanation of why the compression isn't visible - it's not actually compression, it's stretching!

Many surgeons looking at this, argue as follows: You're making a decision for surgery based on symptoms of POTS and brain fog, and a niche test (upright MRI) which few doctors have access to, looking for imaging features which are unreliable and may be normal.

At least the Maryland guy has actually written down his criteria, and has published some results (albeit a survey of patients, asking for patient reported outcomes like "I think the surgery has improved my symptoms"), although the results are purely self-reported symptoms (no objective measures, like number of prescriptions, employment history, etc. or even a review of symptom diaries filled in before and after surgery). Doing this work privately, and treating people from around the world, the patients often don't come back for follow-up, so he never sees them again.

The New York guy, basically says that upright MRI is not very useful. The only way to diagnose the condition is to pin a halo traction frame to the skull, apply traction with weights and pulleys, and see if the symptoms resolve when the head is pulled up against gravity, ideally doing X-rays before and after to see if the spinal alignment changes. He used to do major surgery like on Tonia's pics, on the basis that in EDS, the connective tissue is abnormal and weak, so huge amounts of metal are needed to stabilise the spine, but he had "terrible" results. He now does an extremely minimal surgery, which apparently works much better. However, although he likes to talk about his "excellent" results, he has never given any numbers at any conference where he has been invited to speak. He has never published any written papers with results.

The Barcelona guy doesn't even go to the conferences, let alone write up what he does. He appears to use conventional MRI to decide, using measures based on rotating the head to the left and right (assessing rotational measures is just as much of a minefield as the various upright MRI measures). No one has any idea what his decision process is. By the looks of Tonia's pics, he's doing very extensive surgery.

The you have the radiologists at the upright MRI sites - they've got their own idea of how to diagnoses CCI in EDS, and it doesn't correspond to any of the surgeons, but they will do the measurements the surgeons ask for because the surgeon's don't believe their interpretation.

Now of course, one or more of these surgeons may be right. One has at least attempted to put together a reasoned argument for his stretching hypothesis, based on engineering software intended to measure stretching and distortion of mechanical components. However, the general consensus in the neurosurgical community (at least in Europe and the UK) is that the diagnostic criteria are too vague and too unreliable, there is no consensus on what type of surgery should be done, and there is no good quality outcome data to show whether the surgery is actually of benefit. There is a real risk that some of the people doing this work are being blinded by confirmation bias, because to an outsider, the quality of the science appears dire.
So Antonia went to this one guy in Barcelona who does this on EDS patients despite the huge lack of evidence that such procedures help people with EDS? And here I was doubting that I should bring her up because "how can someone fuse her fucking spine if she isn't sick". I guess they can.

I've seen her (and other EDSers) say that they "risk internal decapitation" due to the brain stem compression. Is that just a load of shit? It sounds super OTT, but I don't know much about it.
 
So Antonia went to this one guy in Barcelona who does this on EDS patients despite the huge lack of evidence that such procedures help people with EDS? And here I was doubting that I should bring her up because "how can someone fuse her fucking spine if she isn't sick". I guess they can.

I've seen her (and other EDSers) say that they "risk internal decapitation" due to the brain stem compression. Is that just a load of shit? It sounds super OTT, but I don't know much about it.
Surgeries are decided upon risk/ benefit, if actual doctors and surgeons don't see a benefit in doing this type of surgery then the risk or likelihood of internal decapitation is probably very low and unlikely. Sounds like OTT dramatics to me.
 
So Antonia went to this one guy in Barcelona who does this on EDS patients despite the huge lack of evidence that such procedures help people with EDS? And here I was doubting that I should bring her up because "how can someone fuse her fucking spine if she isn't sick". I guess they can.

I've seen her (and other EDSers) say that they "risk internal decapitation" due to the brain stem compression. Is that just a load of shit? It sounds super OTT, but I don't know much about it.
This is not an isolated case. The New York and Barcelona guys are taking multiple UK patients per year. The numbers seeking overseas treatment, and the amount of noise they make is enough that politicians are starting to get interested. As a result, there is significant angst developing in the neurosurgery community that people are going to come to significant harm from this surgery, where it is far from clear that the surgery is likely to have any benefit at all.

Sometimes this is reported in the press, that the NHS won't fund this surgery. There is no specific policy that cervical fusion won't be funded in someone with EDS. Such a policy would be a nonsense: what if someone with EDS got into a car wreck, and the trauma left them with an unstable spine requiring fusion! The issue is that the most neurosurgeons do not recognise this "EDS-CCI" diagnosis as something with any kind or robust evidence behind it, and therefore there the NHS has no policy that it is something which needs treating with surgery.

Internal decapitation is a thing - it is mainly used as term related to major trauma, where there is massive damage to the spine where it connects to the skull - usually massive tearing of the ligaments and muscles rather than a bone fracture. This is usually immediately fatal, but if not normally results in quadriplegia, although very rarely people luck out and don't have major neurological damage. I am not aware of the term being used outside of this context, except in the context of OTTs.

Another example (bonus points for including X-rays which nicely show she doesn't have the claimed instability of the top two vertebrae, at least by any textbook or recognised evidence base).
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It's actually a more complicated than this. Cervical fusion is a fairly standard neurosurgical procedure. It is readily available in the UK, and is routinely done if there is evidence of craniocervical junction instability - there are plenty of connective tissue disorders which cause this, Down syndrome, Morquio syndrome, Marfan syndrome, infections, rheumatoid arthritis, etc. as well as trauma.

The fundamental issue is that whether EDS causes craniocervical junction instability is extremely controversial. If you use the conventional, long established diagnostic criteria for diagnosis, then it is ultra rare in EDS - only a handful of recorded cases in the medical literature (only 1 that is unambiguous). The result is that almost no neurosurgeons will operate on EDS "CCI" cases, because it is a potentially high risk procedure and these patients don't meet conventional diagnostic criteria for the condition.

In the UK, there is considerable pressure only to offer "evidence based" treatments; i.e. there should be a trial demonstrating that a particular treatment works in a particular situation (and if a trial result is not available, then there needs to be some other compelling argument for offering a particular treatment). This is very much lacking in the general case of EDS "CCI".

Don't forget Barcelona doc tells them they will die within months if they don't have the surgery. What a munchies dream! It seems like everyone of them end up needing more and more spinal surgeries, which is typical once you start. Likely why NHS says no to it.

Found this one via #edswarrior
All those likes and no one tells her it's to prevent dogs from getting at surgical sites or injuries. We need to develop a kiwi branded one for all the munchies who tamper with their lines and tubes.
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Shane Burcaw has spinal muscular atrophy. Other than S-J probably being fascinated with someone who has a real illness, I'm not sure why we might discuss his sex life here. People have all sorts of reasons for dating others (whether fetish or otherwise), but it sure as hell ain't munchausens in this case.

In other news, S-J got called out on the blood pressure post she made, seen earlier in this thread here:


One of her precious followers called out the fact that 108/73 is not low; it's actually a good BP. She takes it as an opportunity to talk about her diarrhea. It's always about that diarrhea. We can only aspire to have the same connection with a loved one that S-J has with her diarrhea, y'all. Also, she says that maybe the nurse read it out wrong, and she didn't look to check. A lot of the time, nurses read it aloud solely to make sure that they're recording it correctly, so it's another check for them. It's a habit to maintain accuracy, so it's unlikely that the nurse said it wrong, but maybe S-J is setting up a case for her condishuns affecting her hearing. That would be fun.
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Her desire to be “sick” is so palpable. And it’s so embarrassing watching her come up with stories to make herself look that way.

In other S-J news, she uploaded this this morning
All about her container gardens.
Starts out by saying she never grew cucumbers before and they are supposedly the “fastest growing fruits—or is it a vegetable??”
Refers to cucumber vine as a tree.
Has strong convictions that store bought vegetables taste the same as home grown.
Shows off cucumber “tree.” Refers to blossom as plant and says “once that dies the cucumber grows.” Ok.
Proceeds to cut cucumbers off with scissors.
Flips out about finding a red tomato on its “tree.”
Cuts up cucumber for her and evil dad to try. Says it looks so “juicy.” Evil dad not impressed and he just tells her “it tastes like a cucumber.”
Goes to check plants in backyard. Thinks the deer she feeds is eating them. (Sarah-Je-n, yes that happens when you draw deer into your yard).
She stated “I don’t do bugs.” She wears a sweatshirt throughout this in the heat so she doesn’t get bitten.
She may upload a vlog style video yet today.

Can someone explain CCI? I mean, is it a legitimate diagnosis or just one of those weirdo things that isn’t recognized in medical community?

I have to powerlevel but I had to have 2 cervical discs replaced (this is a better alternative to fusion). I don’t understand how CCI is any different than herniated discs.

Edit: never mind I get it now, it’s more of a symptom. So these twits are fusing their necks without any evidence of problems??? That is batshit crazy!
 
Sarah Jean runs a charity that provides boxes of comfort items for mostly terminally ill children, sometimes teenagers or adults. She uses this status to get into contact with other people in the chronic illness community who are not faking their illnesses and disabilities. There are photos of her with a bunch of the people featured on SBSK floating around and she also is fond of sending them to the popular munchies to get "in" with them.

There's a few things we can say about this:

-her motivations are fucking ghoulish. She wants to be involved with dying children because she thinks she wishes she was them
-She makes the death of any child she sent a package to about herself and how she helped them
-She claims to make and send out an impressive number of these per month, and fundraises surprisingly well, and she trots this out whenever someone tells her she doesn't do anything with her life.
-If she can fundraise the materials and shipping costs for, make, and ship 100+ care packages per month, she's nowhere near as sick as she pretends and she can absolutely get a job
-If she's not making that many packages, then she's scamming these companies out of sending her boxes of free stuff intended for dying young people.
 
So when are all of the US EDSers going to start claiming CCI so they too can have “lifesaving” expensive surgery?

So both of the British girls who went to Barcelona had massive complications after their surgery. Melanie (http://www.melanies-mission-eds.org.uk/) already needs another £80,000 surgery after a “anesthetic complications.” Antonia is on a vent in the ICU in Spain. This is not selling me on it being a necessary and “lifesaving” procedure. The doctor’s webpage is totally pandering to munchies. All I had to google was “Barcelona EDS Surgery” and he was the first several results.
 
So when are all of the US EDSers going to start claiming CCI so they too can have “lifesaving” expensive surgery?

So both of the British girls who went to Barcelona had massive complications after their surgery. Melanie (http://www.melanies-mission-eds.org.uk/) already needs another £80,000 surgery after a “anesthetic complications.” Antonia is on a vent in the ICU in Spain. This is not selling me on it being a necessary and “lifesaving” procedure. The doctor’s webpage is totally pandering to munchies. All I had to google was “Barcelona EDS Surgery” and he was the first several results.

A lot of them already do claim it. That's why people like LymeisLame/Becca wear their dumb cervical collars all day. Why they aren't getting surgeries to fix it is beyond me. I guess because Jaquie didn't go after that one, lol.
 
A lot of them already do claim it. That's why people like LymeisLame/Becca wear their dumb cervical collars all day. Why they aren't getting surgeries to fix it is beyond me. I guess because Jaquie didn't go after that one, lol.

It’s hard to wrap around my head that they pursue this surgery. Fusions are not a walk in the park and often cause life long issues after the fact.
S-J is gaining YouTube subscribers at a decent pace, I’m just wondering if future monetizing will make her ramp up her quest for more diagnoses

Edit: left out an entire paragraph and still can’t spell
 
I’m gonna go ahead and say this... the more I see these people the more I wonder is EDS other than vascular really that terrible? Everyone I have read about including my friend is freaking ott. My mates always has excuses for why they can’t do anything even if it’s to help themselves

My position as hunter-of-munchies has put me into conversation with several hEDS patients and one cEDS patient who live normal, fulfilling lives, work, have families, etc, but just have to be more careful about their health than someone who doesn't have it. Which is true of any illness. Some of them I even follow on social media to keep myself grounded in the reality of the disorder. The reason you don't hear about them is they don't bring up their illnesses unless they have to. Like the one had to cancel their son's birthday party because they were in the hospital, and that was one of the only mentions of EDS on their entire profile. others might bring it up when they're expressing how with a new treatment they can finally go back to [hobby]. But it's not the all-consuming thing in their lives. It's an inconvenience and a painful one but, fuck, the one woman works for a big entertainment company and 90% of her photos are her cheesing with celebrities. EDS hardly stops her from enjoying a full life.
 
So when are all of the US EDSers going to start So both of the British girls who went to Barcelona had massive complications after their surgery. Melanie (http://www.melanies-mission-eds.org.uk/) already needs another £80,000 surgery after a “anesthetic complications.” Antonia is on a vent in the ICU in Spain. This is not selling me on it being a necessary and “lifesaving” procedure.

Jesus fucking Christ Antonia was literally walking post-surgery how the hell did the people around her let this happen. That surgeon is a cowboy who is scamming people for all they're worth and is going to end up killing them.

The NHS absolutely pays for and provides spinal fusion for people with severe CCI who have connective tissue disorders - it just requires objective imaging, conservative treatments to have been exhausted (physio, bracing etc), and there to be a real likelihood of clinical improvement. The fact that both those girls have ended up WORSE off is why it doesn't usually consider it clinically indicated and cost-effective.
 
SKINWALKER LEAKS. Because when you're an unpleasant attention-seeking skelly who burns everyone around you, eventually people will talk to me.

In order to obtain these I am bound to the following: 1) I can only speak to them through a trusted intermediary who is ensuring total anonymity, so I don't know who they are, but the receipts they have sent me are unquestionably, undeniably real and very detailed. 2) I cannot release the receipts themselves because Skinwalker would know who they are. 3) This was not part of the negotiations but as someone who values my leaks, I will be vague about what was sent to me and what they contain, as releasing the full information could provide enough clues about these peoples' identities that Amanda could harass them.

But I can confirm that it is well-known amongst her friends that Amanda has a serious eating disorder and that she purges through more conventional means than just her obsessive exercise, and that they know that many of her complaints are directly caused by this (ex: low potassium, muscle weakness). She weighs less than she claims. She shakes uncontrollably at times and this in particular is very upsetting to the leaks. She is volatile and constantly hangry, obsessed with food, and lashes out at anyone who confronts her about it.

More to come if I didn't blow this one. And a giant semper fi to the brave kiwi who arranged this for me and has been serving as my intermediary.

Amanda, your friends contacted me because they are afraid you will die soon unless you get help. Literally no one wanted to work with me but I have all of your attention right now. They believe you when you say you are sick but that doesn't mean you don't also have a serious eating disorder.

Sermon over and I won't do it again but my god, I was genuinely upset reading what was sent to me. It's one thing to laugh at the munchie. It's quite another to know the munchie is going to die a horrible death soon and leave her family and friends wondering forever if they could have done something to stop her.

Edit: the weighing less than she claims explains the wonky math on how much weight she lost. She adjusted her high weight to avoid mentioning her actually shocking current weight while still being able to claim she lost well over 100 lbs.
 
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I’m gonna go ahead and say this... the more I see these people the more I wonder is EDS other than vascular really that terrible? Everyone I have read about including my friend is freaking ott. My mates always has excuses for why they can’t do anything even if it’s to help themselves

I asked this question too. I'm not going to say what my friends with EDS do for a living because I'd end up doxxing myself, but holy fuck are they ever night and day compared to these munchies.
 
I've just checked Tonia's JG page:
Tonia's Journey For Survival

It's going on about how she now needs "tethered cord" surgery, which is not funded by the NHS. wow

Guess what. Surgery for tethered cord is funded by the NHS, and is routinely performed! You just actually have to have a tethered cord.

Tethered cord is a condition where the spine doesn't develop correctly. Normally the spinal cord doesn't go the whole length of the spine - it stops at just below your chest. From there down, it's normally just nerves.

Sometimes, usually as a birth defect, the spinal cord stays stuck to some other structure in the spine and it gets pulled down into the lumbar region. This is associated with other spinal defects, like spina bifida, but sometimes, it is just a thing on its own. It can cause symptoms like paralysis, loss of genital sensation, bladder/bowel incontinence (less commonly diarrhea), difficulty walking, leg pain and sometimes other problems. As a birth defect most commonly, this usually shows up in children as they start growing. However, it can continue to deteriorate in adulthood.

This isn't difficult to diagnose - if the symptoms are suggestive, you do an MRI and see where the spinal cord ends. If it ends in the lumbar spine and looks stuck to something, then it is tethered. In most cases, the tethering causes visible damage to the spinal cord as well, and there are other anatomical problems (tissue or fat in the wrong place; tracks connecting the skin to the spine, etc.).

Well, it turns out that some people have these symptoms, but have a normal MRI. There are some surgeons who claim that this means that there is tethering which for some reason is invisible (called "occult tethered cord"), and they will do surgery to "untether" the spinal cord.

This idea is controversial among spinal surgeons, but is being pushed by New York CCI doc, among others. However, there are some published results, which are marginally more encouraging than the CCI results, but only on tiny numbers of cases, and with short follow-up.
 
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