Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

He's been on that route for a LONG while now- I think the thing that finally broke him were his Lines compared to Vic's, just look and compare.
Sabat's:
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Vic's:
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Well, you can treat your fans (who also are customers of the anime which include your voice work) like a pain in the ass as obviously most of the other VA's do or you can treat them as Vic does. The lines speak for themselves.
But to be honest, people like Rial, Sabat and all the others will never get that.

Not sure how much a "pro cosplayer" or somebody who cosplay models as part of some official display at a con can make, bu, hey. Nice work if you can get it?

I'm sure these con sluts would make more by showing their cleavage to thirsty 13 year olds over at Twitch. Just sayin'

 

[RodgerDodger]

Con career? She really thinks showing her ass, tits and cleavage at an anime convention is a career? Holy shit girl seek some help.

Thotmore doesn’t actually have any cleavage... nor much in the way of ass.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Well, you can treat your fans (who also are customers of the anime which include your voice work) like a pain in the ass as obviously most of the other VA's do or you can treat them as Vic does. The lines speak for themselves.
But to be honest, people like Rial, Sabat and all the others will never get that.

When you say "pain in the ass" do you mean like how Monica dropped "best girl" in her deposition? Sorry, I don't really follow anime that much, especially the VA scene.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

Thotmore doesn’t actually have any cleavage... nor much in the way of ass.

Yeah, I know, but I didn't want to call her the ironing board she is.

 

[Lone MacReady]

Has it been brought up that Sabat may be the driving force behind this coordinated fucking over of Vic's life?

Being another DB higher up put him into question immediately imo. Even if you aren't a student of deductive reasoning - one thing you can always count on is the phrase - "Follow the Money". Finding out Sabat owns the god damn studio Funi contracts out of!? Then the sneaky Kamehacon shit he did with Monica just sealed the deal. The snake den only goes deeper, as these last few months have taught us, and revelations about Funimation seem to paint them as not only a den of liberal snakes, but also one of weird... flow-charts of sexual relationships. Seems like people are fucking to get work, fucking around once they've got the work, and ultimately getting fucked BY their work since it doesn't pay any money. Oops, you slept with this balding fuck named Sabat just to get a career smashing role as.. Issei's harem girl #6

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Part of that comes down to treatment of fans. Of everything I've seen, vic comes off as appreciative of his fans and he knows how to make someone feel important. On the other hand, I've only heard of sabat coming off as disdainful and distant towards fans (for the longest time, fans would ask him to voice the over 9k line, and hed get pissy with them).

Vic goes far further than just that. As much as Nick says "he looks like he's paying attention to you" etc we have proof he actually does. He pays attention and goes years between seeing certain fans who have had troubles. He sees them again and actually asks them how they are and if the problem they've had had been resolved.

Heck, even the silly little gifts that people give him (such as the thermos mug he had) and that most people (understandably) know will only be enjoyed for a short while before re-gifting or disposal Vic seems to keep or even use.

 

[3 Cucks None The Richer]

Scott Barretto, the social media PR mouthpiece of FUNimation just admitted something he really, REALLY fucking shouldn't have.

As his job as a mouthpiece, he has to keep up on the news, right? The "Head of FUNimation's social media and interaction"... the guy who drafted the 'We do not condone Harassment'statement... just admitted in this affidavit that his sources for news are: Anime News Network, Polygon, IO9, Screen Rant, Newsweek, and Variety.

I. Am. Not. Fucking. Joking.
And just like that, FUNimation's credibility was been reduced to ash in an instant.

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[SpanndAxe]

Thats some comedy gold. Some random chick just came up and attacked the mans nachos?

Until today I never imagined me using the term "Bitch slapping someone with nachos". Now I can not imagine having ever lived without the phrase.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

And just like that, FUNimation's credibility was been reduced to ash in an instant.

Yeah, sure, but the judge won't know what any of those sites are and there's no legal way to appraise their quality outside of retraction history or maybe the obvious smell of tabloid.

That's why the term "wrap up smear" exists.

 

[MemeGray]

but the judge won't know what any of those sites are

I don't think it matters, as Funimations mouthpiece his source of information should be Funimation. Also I think those outlets cited funimations investigation so him saying "these outlets said we did an investigation so I assumed we did an investigation" is bizarre.

 

[Mecharmadillo]

Honesty Ty should have a problem filing to throw out this affidavit because he'd be conflicted if he even wants to XD

 

[Far Queue]

Scott Barretto, the social media PR mouthpiece of FUNimation just admitted something he really, REALLY fucking shouldn't have.

As his job as a mouthpiece, he has to keep up on the news, right? The "Head of FUNimation's social media and interaction" just admitted in this affidavit that his sources for news are: Anime News Network, Polygon, IO9, Screen Rant, Newsweek, and Variety.

And just like that, FUNimation's credibility was been reduced to ash in an instant.

It's worse than that once you consider that FUNimation is a named source in some of those articles. However, the biggest problem is that the timeline doesn't make sense on most of them either. If you look at FUNimation's initial TCPA filing (link), they include the following articles as exhibits:

1/25 Polygon article about Vic
1/30 ANN article about Vic
2/4 ANN article about Vic
2/5 ANN article about Vic
2/5 Polygon article about Vic
2/9 ANN article about Vic
2/11 Polygon article about Vic
2/14 ANN article about Vic
2/19 IO9 article about Vic
2/20 ANN article about Inoue-Harte's bullshit swatting story
2/20 ANN article about Monica
2/25 Screenrant article about Vic
3/24 ANN article about Vic
4/19 Newsweek article about Vic
4/19 Polygon article about Vic
4/19 Variety article about Vic

The problem is that Denbow informed Vic that he had been terminated on 1/29/2019, which predates all but the initial Polygon article. The initial Polygon article (archive) doesn't even report any of the specific instances that would have been brought up in the FUNimation investigation either. Instead it links to PULL, the since deleted "vicmeggnognahorrorstories" tumblr, and several nobodies on Twitter.

Even if most of the original affidavit doesn't get thrown out, it's completely worthless in that it wouldn't stand up to any scrutiny under deposition or witness testimony during trial. FUNimation needs to settle and get out now while it's still cheap.

 

[Genkoda]

Honesty Ty should have a problem filing to throw out this affidavit because he'd be conflicted if he even wants to XD

Yeah I was thinking that too. This affidavit would potentially be more damning for funimation than helpful, but then again Ty probably has a strategy set out for the current situation and does not wish to deviate from it unless absolutely necessary.

 

[Contract Breach]

1/25 Polygon article about Vic
1/30 ANN article about Vic
2/4 ANN article about Vic
2/5 ANN article about Vic
2/5 Polygon article about Vic
2/9 ANN article about Vic
2/11 Polygon article about Vic
2/14 ANN article about Vic
2/19 IO9 article about Vic
2/20 ANN article about Inoue-Harte's bullshit swatting story
2/20 ANN article about Monica
2/25 Screenrant article about Vic
3/24 ANN article about Vic
4/19 Newsweek article about Vic
4/19 Polygon article about Vic
4/19 Variety article about Vic

Isn't there still an authentication problem with these articles since there's no mention of when the provided copies were retrieved and printed? particularly as several of these articles have had one or more edits since initial publication? Is the provided version the version that influenced Funi's decisions to investigate, terminate, and comment on the investigation and termination? Or are they the versions, post edit, that were retrieved after the lawsuit was filed as justification that no longer matches what they saw at the time

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Isn't there still an authentication problem with these articles since there's no mention of when the provided copies were retrieved and printed? particularly as several of these articles have had one or more edits since initial publication? Is the provided version the version that influenced Funi's decisions to investigate, terminate, and comment on the investigation and termination? Or are they the versions, post edit, that were retrieved after the lawsuit was filed as justification that no longer matches what they saw at the time

Well, any journalist worth their salt makes notes of redactions they have to make at the bottom of their article, or will at least truthfully attest to any redaction history.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Scott Barretto, the social media PR mouthpiece of FUNimation just admitted something he really, REALLY fucking shouldn't have.

As his job as a mouthpiece, he has to keep up on the news, right? The "Head of FUNimation's social media and interaction"... the guy who drafted the 'We do not condone Harassment'statement... just admitted in this affidavit that his sources for news are: Anime News Network, Polygon, IO9, Screen Rant, Newsweek, and Variety.

I. Am. Not. Fucking. Joking.
And just like that, FUNimation's credibility was been reduced to ash in an instant.
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Only with us. The judge, the jury, aren't going to realize that Gawker droppings and ANN are pretty much discredited garbage. Unless you have another angel I don't recognize.

 

[Contract Breach]

any journalist worth their salt

Do any of us believe that applies to ANN, IO9, or Polygon??

or will at least truthfully attest to any redaction history

would this not make these copies of the articles hearsay then until provided by the author who can attest to the edits made?

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

http://archive.is/3PoAX

 

[Far Queue]

Yeah I was thinking that too. This affidavit would potentially be more damning for funimation than helpful, but then again Ty probably has a strategy set out for the current situation and does not wish to deviate from it unless absolutely necessary.

Any of the affidavits that have been submitted by FUNimation since their TCPA could still be filed as part of an amended response, and almost certainly would be if FUNimation's TCPA motion is denied. Ty can only stop them from being included in the TCPA motion, which he would almost certainly want to do anyway simply because it means less work for them in preparing their own response to the defendants' TCPA motions. It isn't particularly important to have any damning statements at this juncture because the TCPA motion is more about the evidence that Vic can put forward to suggest that he has a compelling case than anything else and is simply allows the case to move forward without saying anything about whether he'll actually be successful.

Well, any journalist worth their salt makes notes of redactions they have to make at the bottom of their article, or will at least truthfully attest to any redaction history.

Several of the "journalists" here aren't worth a damn, let alone a modicum of salt, so I wouldn't trust them to indicate the revisions in an article. Thankfully there are archives that show the initial state of these articles. Funnily enough, if you look at the TCPA motion filed by FUNimation, there are several articles that do include information about retractions or updates to the articles, which would suggest that they are versions that were only accessed after the initial publication date that is given.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Scott Barretto, the social media PR mouthpiece of FUNimation just admitted something he really, REALLY fucking shouldn't have.

As his job as a mouthpiece, he has to keep up on the news, right? The "Head of FUNimation's social media and interaction"... the guy who drafted the 'We do not condone Harassment'statement... just admitted in this affidavit that his sources for news are: Anime News Network, Polygon, IO9, Screen Rant, Newsweek, and Variety.

I. Am. Not. Fucking. Joking.
And just like that, FUNimation's credibility was been reduced to ash in an instant.
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To poorly play devil’s advocate, it’s not like anime in America has the most hallowed of news outlets and ANN may be the best we have. However I remember io9 and Polygon when I was in KiA. They got tier 3 blacklist because of being part of Gawker

Yeah, sure, but the judge won't know what any of those sites are and there's no legal way to appraise their quality outside of retraction history or maybe the obvious smell of tabloid.

That's why the term "wrap up smear" exists.

Are there ANY judges out there who understand the ways of the Internet in current year, let alone understand how KF operates? It’d save a lot of trouble.