Allison Cooke / hanleia / finnrey / gogoeeg / enta_jinnai / eijiIynx / ashlives2020 - Severely Bipolar and Autistic LGBTQP+ Self-Hating-Jew Fujoshi Cat Lady

[damian]

I think we can fit more in there:

Suggestions?

 

[UmbralForma]

I swear this exceptional keeps giving by digging her own grave. Now she's in canada least there its easier to get her through litigation. I had a discussion yesterday to why she's not in japan as she had been there for roughly 3 years under her work Visa or she would start paying taxes cause I doubt she has an accountant or a boyfriend at this point.
Keep trying and lying ally it ain't going to save you. Neither will those two plushie fuck boys you brought with you.

 

[CrippleThreat]

I think we can fit more in there:
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Suggestions?

Failed Assistant Teacher, perhaps?

 

[Harvey Danger]

I think we can fit more in there:
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Suggestions?

Do we have a source for the Bipolar and Autistic tags? What I'm seeing here is just heavy narcissism, willful self-delusion, and semi-intelligent yet clumsy attempts to deflect away from her lies.

She's an attention whore within the little fantasy world she's desperate to re-circumscribe around herself, but I think she's too consistent for BPD. She isn't autistically missing out on social cues; she is just too dumb to understand how evidence works, and too self-absorbed to understand why people won't think the way she wants us to think.

 

[DragoonSierra]

Do we have a source for the Bipolar and Autistic tags? What I'm seeing here is just heavy narcissism, willful self-delusion, and semi-intelligent yet clumsy attempts to deflect away from her lies.

She's an attention whore within the little fantasy world she's desperate to re-circumscribe around herself, but I think she's too consistent for BPD. She isn't autistically missing out on social cues; she is just too dumb to understand how evidence works, and too self-absorbed to understand why people won't think the way she wants us to think.

Those sound like fine descriptions to add

 

[mindlessobserver]

Throughout all of this I dont think she ever fully appreciated what she did. It's just not "real" to her. Just one more fantasy game like her two anime plushie boy toys. The girl has never grown up and is still a child. We got a ton of labels like autistics, retard, delusional but in reality I think she is an emotional dwarf who has become very good at hiding in her fantasies. Even her stint overseas was an exercise in feeding her eternal childhood. What could have been a learning a growing experience was instead a journey through cloud cuckoo land. Getting paid to stay with 5 year olds and spending it all on a shitty apartment and weebshit

 

[Bender]

Now that KF is back to normal I can post the screencap:
[fucking huge image]

I thought it was common courtesy to spoiler really long images. I don't mean to imply that you should spoiler that really long image, rather I am saying spoiler that image because it's fucking huge.

 

[JosephTX]

Do we have a source for the Bipolar and Autistic tags? What I'm seeing here is just heavy narcissism, willful self-delusion, and semi-intelligent yet clumsy attempts to deflect away from her lies.

She's an attention whore within the little fantasy world she's desperate to re-circumscribe around herself, but I think she's too consistent for BPD. She isn't autistically missing out on social cues; she is just too dumb to understand how evidence works, and too self-absorbed to understand why people won't think the way she wants us to think.

I'm calling her bipolar because she keeps deleting and reactivating Twitter spastically

 

[Bender]

It's fine dude. I'm going to go beat off to some Yhivi and call it a night.

No idea what the fuck Yhivi was and when I Binged it this was the first thing that came up on PornHub:

"YHIVI SHOWS OFF PIANO SKILLS FOLLOWED BY ROUGH SEX AND CUM OVER HER FACE"​

I've got to admit they have a real way with words with their video titles.

I'm calling her bipolar because she keeps deleting and reactivating Twitter spastically

She's just addicted to social media, when she disables it she doesn't get that dopamine rush from people liking or resharing whatever opinion she has.

Hang on a sec, when you try to delete your Twitter it gets "disabled" for 30 days first. That's fucking ableism!

 

[Allanon]

I think it must be time to debunk the KuroFai rumor. People keep clinging to it as one of his worst 'but you have to admit it happened' offenses.

It really didn't.

Context: Tsubasa is a girl's manga by the group CLAMP, who you might know for Card Captor Sakura, Chobits, or Angelic Layer and probably nothing else if you don't like girl anime. They're also known for their yaoi proportions and the fact that they like to stick gay relationships into their stories. Vic was cast as Fai in the english dub of Tsubasa because the voice director desperately needed a Fai and Vic didn't mind doing it. Fau has a special connection with another male character named Kurogane. There's lots of gay hints and teasing between them from the start of the manga. Fujos immediately decided the two were super gay and got super angry that Vic voiced Fai.

(Mild amusing tidbit: Sabat plays Kurogane, so Vic is effectively flirting with, teasing, and annoying Sabat all anime)

Claim: Some fujo asked Vic about whether Fau were gay for Kurogane. Vic claimed that he spoke to CLAMP and they said "No, Fai is not gay." Someone else spoke to CLAMP, and they said "Vic who?", an auxiliary claim is that he rewrote Fai dialog to be less gay. I see no proof of Vic having that kind of power over Tsubasa, and Fai doesn't really have gay dialog to change. I assume this is 'fansubs made it gay, dub fixed it' issues.

The simplified version you'll probably hear: VIC LIKES TO LIE AND TELL PEOPLE CLAMP TOLD HIM FAI, WHO'S SUPER GAY, WAS ACTUALLY STRAIGHT. CLAMP SAID THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS, SO HE CHANGED HIS STORY TO SAY COLLEEN ASKED. LOL.

So. Let's see if I can debunk it fully.

First: The anime itself actually plays up Fai's heterosexuality. Not the dub, the anime. There's filler episodes of Fai going on a date with his female robot Chii, for instance. This is important, because Vic is a silly man who doesn't read the manga of the anime he dubs, he likes to experience it as it gets dubbed. FMA is the only anime he watched ahead for, and he stopped at a certain episode specifically so he would be genuinely moved at the right times while dubbing. Vic's only experience with Fai is via the anime.

1b: Fujos claim that CLAMP disowned the anime because it dared to make Fai straight. There's no proof to be found of this. The only place I found this claim was immediately followed by someone dismissing that claim.

Second: Fai and Kuro never explicitly get together in the manga. They never confess. They never do anything like that. They make mutual sacrifices of body parts for each other and for a bit Fai has to feed on Kuro as a vampire. The closest they get to an expression of feelings is that Fai gets depressed and cold for a bit because he decides he "crossed a line with Kuro". However, it's entirely possible to interpret them as having a platonic relationship even if you read the manga. Fujos, of course, instantly determined they were gay from the first graphic novel because Fai teases Kuro. Claims that they decided the two were gay for each other because of 'later developments' is a lie. Even during the beginning while Kuro is obviously in love with a woman they acted like the pairing was certain.

Third: There's a scene where Fai apparently speaks nonsense French for the entirety of the scene, and so the dub was given "French Gobbledegook" for the lines. Vic was forced to go for up to 45mins per line doing retakes just saying nonsense that sounded 'French' because the voice director wasn't happy with anything he said. This is relevant because it vastly undermines the idea that Vic had any control over Fai's lines. He hated this scene, although the voice director finds it a hilarious anecdote, and had he any control over it he'd likely have rewritten it. (He won't do 'French Fai' lines because of this. It's not possible for him to do them.)

3b: He does sometimes get some flexibility over scripts. He rewrote one 'potty mouthed' character because he was able to convince the director that he could make the character work convincingly without it. Notably, most 'potty mouthed' characters in dubs are just doing that to convey that characters are being rude. It's rare for characters to really use profanity in manga. This is likely where the claim comes from here.

On to the evidence.

A confrontational fujo who thinks she has a gotcha asks Vic right at the end of his panel "What do you think about the increasingly obvious homosexual relationship with Kurogane and Fai. I've read ahead in the manga blahb lahl blah"

Vic responds rather smugly that he already spoke with CLAMP about this two years prior at Anime Expo, and was told that Fai isn't gay.

Angry Fujo snarkily responds "You weren't Fai two years ago, you don't read the manga, how would you know to ask this?"

Vic retorts "That's because i didn't ask. Colleen Clickenbeard did."

Fujo slapfights with him a bit, saying that it's 'extremely obvious they're soulmates' and Vic responds with 'yes, but are they screwing each other?', which she takes deep offense to, and he says essentially 'suck it up, buttercup. If you're gay you're having sex with other men, not just loving them'.

I can't find evidence of CLAMP denying knowledge of Vic, but it's worth noting this story is what Vic has stuck to always, so it's irrelevant. His story was never actually that he spoke to them personally. He clarified it was Colleen on his first telling. Later in Tekkoshocon rumors panel he brings it up again and doesn't change it, but people claim he's 'amended it' to say Colleen asked. This is wrong. He says Colleen said it here. You can argue that he's 'covering' for himself here, but that's stupid. He's just simplifying the story to get to the important part.

Now, to debunk the idea that Vic somehow lied and CLAMP called him out about it.

Part one (The post in question is highlighted) - The confusion over CLAMP is that Vic was wrong about who was asked. It was not CLAMP who was asked whether Fai and Kurogane were gay, but the producers of the anime. The producers who made an episode where Fai goes on a date with a woman. It's not unsurprising he'd get this confused, because by his own story when this was asked he didn't even know wtf the anime was. Furthermore, the question was not "Are Fai and Kurogane in love" but quite literally "Are Fai and Kurogane gay?" Which, as you will note even in Vic's response, is exactly what they said 'no' to. Vic is correct. He was told Fai wasn't gay, because Fai isn't gay.

Part two (again highlighted) - In response to the idea that Fai and Kurogane 'are soulmates, and therefore gay', and addressing CLAMP's feelings on the relationship itself. Touya and Yukito in CCS (who are undeniably in a gay relationship and actually confess) are said to not be gay, according to CLAMP, but instead 'soulmates'.



Conclusion: The story that Vic lied about CLAMP telling him that Fai wasn't gay only for CLAMP to slap him down later, proving he's not just a liar but someone willing to lie to deny his actually gay character isn't gay is...actually just a lie.

Sidenote - most non-fujos don't even think Kuro and Fai are sexually or romantically connected to each other. Even when Fai and Kuro later cameo in a different manga, they're still not romantically together. It's fueled 100% on subtexted acknowledged by literally no one in any manga they appear in.

Final note: Angry fujo like to morph his story from "Fai isn't gay" into "Fai is straight". You can see from the original telling for yourself. There's a difference between saying 'not gay' and 'definitely straight'.

 

[BHWuser]

I think it must be time to debunk the KuroFai rumor. People keep clinging to it as one of his worst 'but you have to admit it happened' offenses.

It really didn't.

Context: Tsubasa is a girl's manga by the group CLAMP, who you might know for Card Captor Sakura, Chobits, or Angelic Layer and probably nothing else if you don't like girl anime. They're also known for their yaoi proportions and the fact that they like to stick gay relationships into their stories. Vic was cast as Fai in the english dub of Tsubasa because the voice director desperately needed a Fai and Vic didn't mind doing it. Fau has a special connection with another male character named Kurogane. There's lots of gay hints and teasing between them from the start of the manga. Fujos immediately decided the two were super gay and got super angry that Vic voiced Fai.

(Mild amusing tidbit: Sabat plays Kurogane, so Vic is effectively flirting with, teasing, and annoying Sabat all anime)

Claim: Some fujo asked Vic about whether Fau were gay for Kurogane. Vic claimed that he spoke to CLAMP and they said "No, Fai is not gay." Someone else spoke to CLAMP, and they said "Vic who?", an auxiliary claim is that he rewrote Fai dialog to be less gay. I see no proof of Vic having that kind of power over Tsubasa, and Fai doesn't really have gay dialog to change. I assume this is 'fansubs made it gay, dub fixed it' issues.

The simplified version you'll probably hear: VIC LIKES TO LIE AND TELL PEOPLE CLAMP TOLD HIM FAI, WHO'S SUPER GAY, WAS ACTUALLY STRAIGHT. CLAMP SAID THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS, SO HE CHANGED HIS STORY TO SAY COLLEEN ASKED. LOL.

So. Let's see if I can debunk it fully.

First: The anime itself actually plays up Fai's heterosexuality. Not the dub, the anime. There's filler episodes of Fai going on a date with his female robot Chii, for instance. This is important, because Vic is a silly man who doesn't read the manga of the anime he dubs, he likes to experience it as it gets dubbed. FMA is the only anime he watched ahead for, and he stopped at a certain episode specifically so he would be genuinely moved at the right times while dubbing. Vic's only experience with Fai is via the anime.

1b: Fujos claim that CLAMP disowned the anime because it dared to make Fai straight. There's no proof to be found of this. The only place I found this claim was immediately followed by someone dismissing that claim.

Second: Fai and Kuro never explicitly get together in the manga. They never confess. They never do anything like that. They make mutual sacrifices of body parts for each other and for a bit Fai has to feed on Kuro as a vampire. The closest they get to an expression of feelings is that Fai gets depressed and cold for a bit because he decides he "crossed a line with Kuro". However, it's entirely possible to interpret them as having a platonic relationship even if you read the manga. Fujos, of course, instantly determined they were gay from the first graphic novel because Fai teases Kuro. Claims that they decided the two were gay for each other because of 'later developments' is a lie. Even during the beginning while Kuro is obviously in love with a woman they acted like the pairing was certain.

Third: There's a scene where Fai apparently speaks nonsense French for the entirety of the scene, and so the dub was given "French Gobbledegook" for the lines. Vic was forced to go for up to 45mins per line doing retakes just saying nonsense that sounded 'French' because the voice director wasn't happy with anything he said. This is relevant because it vastly undermines the idea that Vic had any control over Fai's lines. He hated this scene, although the voice director finds it a hilarious anecdote, and had he any control over it he'd likely have rewritten it. (He won't do 'French Fai' lines because of this. It's not possible for him to do them.)

3b: He does sometimes get some flexibility over scripts. He rewrote one 'potty mouthed' character because he was able to convince the director that he could make the character work convincingly without it. Notably, most 'potty mouthed' characters in dubs are just doing that to convey that characters are being rude. It's rare for characters to really use profanity in manga. This is likely where the claim comes from here.

On to the evidence.

A confrontational fujo who thinks she has a gotcha asks Vic right at the end of his panel "What do you think about the increasingly obvious homosexual relationship with Kurogane and Fai. I've read ahead in the manga blahb lahl blah"

Vic responds rather smugly that he already spoke with CLAMP about this two years prior at Anime Expo, and was told that Fai isn't gay.

Angry Fujo snarkily responds "You weren't Fai two years ago, you don't read the manga, how would you know to ask this?"

Vic retorts "That's because i didn't ask. Colleen Clickenbeard did."

Fujo slapfights with him a bit, saying that it's 'extremely obvious they're soulmates' and Vic responds with 'yes, but are they screwing each other?', which she takes deep offense to, and he says essentially 'suck it up, buttercup. If you're gay you're having sex with other men, not just loving them'.

I can't find evidence of CLAMP denying knowledge of Vic, but it's worth noting this story is what Vic has stuck to always, so it's irrelevant. His story was never actually that he spoke to them personally. He clarified it was Colleen on his first telling. Later in Tekkoshocon rumors panel he brings it up again and doesn't change it, but people claim he's 'amended it' to say Colleen asked. This is wrong. He says Colleen said it here. You can argue that he's 'covering' for himself here, but that's stupid. He's just simplifying the story to get to the important part.

Now, to debunk the idea that Vic somehow lied and CLAMP called him out about it.

Part one (The post in question is highlighted) - The confusion over CLAMP is that Vic was wrong about who was asked. It was not CLAMP who was asked whether Fai and Kurogane were gay, but the producers of the anime. The producers who made an episode where Fai goes on a date with a woman. It's not unsurprising he'd get this confused, because by his own story when this was asked he didn't even know wtf the anime was. Furthermore, the question was not "Are Fai and Kurogane in love" but quite literally "Are Fai and Kurogane gay?" Which, as you will note even in Vic's response, is exactly what they said 'no' to. Vic is correct. He was told Fai wasn't gay, because Fai isn't gay.

Part two (again highlighted) - In response to the idea that Fai and Kurogane 'are soulmates, and therefore gay', and addressing CLAMP's feelings on the relationship itself. Touya and Yukito in CCS (who are undeniably in a gay relationship and actually confess) are said to not be gay, according to CLAMP, but instead 'soulmates'.



Conclusion: The story that Vic lied about CLAMP telling him that Fai wasn't gay only for CLAMP to slap him down later, proving he's not just a liar but someone willing to lie to deny his actually gay character isn't gay is...actually just a lie.

Sidenote - most non-fujos don't even think Kuro and Fai are sexually or romantically connected to each other. Even when Fai and Kuro later cameo in a different manga, they're still not romantically together. It's fueled 100% on subtexted acknowledged by literally no one in any manga they appear in.

Final note: Angry fujo like to morph his story from "Fai isn't gay" into "Fai is straight". You can see from the original telling for yourself. There's a difference between saying 'not gay' and 'definitely straight'.

Also X/99, Blood-C, Tokyo Babylon, CLAMP School Detectives, Magic Knight Rayearth, they did the character designs for Code Geass and I think Mobile Suit Gundam SEED... Ultimately they are rather out there in anime... but due to the fact they seem actually unable to commit to anything definitivily I also put almost anything CLAMP says into a large pile of salt. Not to mention my frequent claim that, unless it's actually in the work, it's not canon. I don't care if the creators say it.

 

[Allanon]

Also X/99, Blood-C, Tokyo Babylon, CLAMP School Detectives, Magic Knight Rayearth, they did the character designs for Code Geass and I think Mobile Suit Gundam SEED... Ultimately they are rather out there in anime... but due to the fact they seem actually unable to commit to anything definitivily I also put almost anything CLAMP says into a large pile of salt. Not to mention my frequent claim that, unless it's actually in the work, it's not canon. I don't care if the creators say it.

Well, I tried to pick the most mainstream anime for them, since they make so many it was going to get weird if I listed a bunch.

Also, yes, CLAMP are a bit flakey, so people tend to lean toward death of the author with them.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Burn fujos.

 

[Foolish Samurai Warrior]

I'm pretty sure Code Geass is the one CLAMP designed anime filled with straight shippers. For crying out loud, they removed the death of one of the female love interests of Lelouch when they made the anime reconciliations.

I think Mobile Suit Gundam SEED.

Nope. Never heard of them doing anything with Gundam.

 

[Mr. Sandwiches]

No idea what the fuck Yhivi was and when I Binged it this was the first thing that came up on PornHub:

"YHIVI SHOWS OFF PIANO SKILLS FOLLOWED BY ROUGH SEX AND CUM OVER HER FACE"​

I've got to admit they have a real way with words with their video titles.

Yeah, she's just this Mexican Asian bitch that likes butt stuff and is good at blowjobs. Not much else to be said.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I think it must be time to debunk the KuroFai rumor. People keep clinging to it as one of his worst 'but you have to admit it happened' offenses.

It really didn't.

Context: Tsubasa is a girl's manga by the group CLAMP, who you might know for Card Captor Sakura, Chobits, or Angelic Layer and probably nothing else if you don't like girl anime. They're also known for their yaoi proportions and the fact that they like to stick gay relationships into their stories. Vic was cast as Fai in the english dub of Tsubasa because the voice director desperately needed a Fai and Vic didn't mind doing it. Fau has a special connection with another male character named Kurogane. There's lots of gay hints and teasing between them from the start of the manga. Fujos immediately decided the two were super gay and got super angry that Vic voiced Fai.

(Mild amusing tidbit: Sabat plays Kurogane, so Vic is effectively flirting with, teasing, and annoying Sabat all anime)

Claim: Some fujo asked Vic about whether Fau were gay for Kurogane. Vic claimed that he spoke to CLAMP and they said "No, Fai is not gay." Someone else spoke to CLAMP, and they said "Vic who?", an auxiliary claim is that he rewrote Fai dialog to be less gay. I see no proof of Vic having that kind of power over Tsubasa, and Fai doesn't really have gay dialog to change. I assume this is 'fansubs made it gay, dub fixed it' issues.

The simplified version you'll probably hear: VIC LIKES TO LIE AND TELL PEOPLE CLAMP TOLD HIM FAI, WHO'S SUPER GAY, WAS ACTUALLY STRAIGHT. CLAMP SAID THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS, SO HE CHANGED HIS STORY TO SAY COLLEEN ASKED. LOL.

So. Let's see if I can debunk it fully.

First: The anime itself actually plays up Fai's heterosexuality. Not the dub, the anime. There's filler episodes of Fai going on a date with his female robot Chii, for instance. This is important, because Vic is a silly man who doesn't read the manga of the anime he dubs, he likes to experience it as it gets dubbed. FMA is the only anime he watched ahead for, and he stopped at a certain episode specifically so he would be genuinely moved at the right times while dubbing. Vic's only experience with Fai is via the anime.

1b: Fujos claim that CLAMP disowned the anime because it dared to make Fai straight. There's no proof to be found of this. The only place I found this claim was immediately followed by someone dismissing that claim.

Second: Fai and Kuro never explicitly get together in the manga. They never confess. They never do anything like that. They make mutual sacrifices of body parts for each other and for a bit Fai has to feed on Kuro as a vampire. The closest they get to an expression of feelings is that Fai gets depressed and cold for a bit because he decides he "crossed a line with Kuro". However, it's entirely possible to interpret them as having a platonic relationship even if you read the manga. Fujos, of course, instantly determined they were gay from the first graphic novel because Fai teases Kuro. Claims that they decided the two were gay for each other because of 'later developments' is a lie. Even during the beginning while Kuro is obviously in love with a woman they acted like the pairing was certain.

Third: There's a scene where Fai apparently speaks nonsense French for the entirety of the scene, and so the dub was given "French Gobbledegook" for the lines. Vic was forced to go for up to 45mins per line doing retakes just saying nonsense that sounded 'French' because the voice director wasn't happy with anything he said. This is relevant because it vastly undermines the idea that Vic had any control over Fai's lines. He hated this scene, although the voice director finds it a hilarious anecdote, and had he any control over it he'd likely have rewritten it. (He won't do 'French Fai' lines because of this. It's not possible for him to do them.)

3b: He does sometimes get some flexibility over scripts. He rewrote one 'potty mouthed' character because he was able to convince the director that he could make the character work convincingly without it. Notably, most 'potty mouthed' characters in dubs are just doing that to convey that characters are being rude. It's rare for characters to really use profanity in manga. This is likely where the claim comes from here.

On to the evidence.

A confrontational fujo who thinks she has a gotcha asks Vic right at the end of his panel "What do you think about the increasingly obvious homosexual relationship with Kurogane and Fai. I've read ahead in the manga blahb lahl blah"

Vic responds rather smugly that he already spoke with CLAMP about this two years prior at Anime Expo, and was told that Fai isn't gay.

Angry Fujo snarkily responds "You weren't Fai two years ago, you don't read the manga, how would you know to ask this?"

Vic retorts "That's because i didn't ask. Colleen Clickenbeard did."

Fujo slapfights with him a bit, saying that it's 'extremely obvious they're soulmates' and Vic responds with 'yes, but are they screwing each other?', which she takes deep offense to, and he says essentially 'suck it up, buttercup. If you're gay you're having sex with other men, not just loving them'.

I can't find evidence of CLAMP denying knowledge of Vic, but it's worth noting this story is what Vic has stuck to always, so it's irrelevant. His story was never actually that he spoke to them personally. He clarified it was Colleen on his first telling. Later in Tekkoshocon rumors panel he brings it up again and doesn't change it, but people claim he's 'amended it' to say Colleen asked. This is wrong. He says Colleen said it here. You can argue that he's 'covering' for himself here, but that's stupid. He's just simplifying the story to get to the important part.

Now, to debunk the idea that Vic somehow lied and CLAMP called him out about it.

Part one (The post in question is highlighted) - The confusion over CLAMP is that Vic was wrong about who was asked. It was not CLAMP who was asked whether Fai and Kurogane were gay, but the producers of the anime. The producers who made an episode where Fai goes on a date with a woman. It's not unsurprising he'd get this confused, because by his own story when this was asked he didn't even know wtf the anime was. Furthermore, the question was not "Are Fai and Kurogane in love" but quite literally "Are Fai and Kurogane gay?" Which, as you will note even in Vic's response, is exactly what they said 'no' to. Vic is correct. He was told Fai wasn't gay, because Fai isn't gay.

Part two (again highlighted) - In response to the idea that Fai and Kurogane 'are soulmates, and therefore gay', and addressing CLAMP's feelings on the relationship itself. Touya and Yukito in CCS (who are undeniably in a gay relationship and actually confess) are said to not be gay, according to CLAMP, but instead 'soulmates'.



Conclusion: The story that Vic lied about CLAMP telling him that Fai wasn't gay only for CLAMP to slap him down later, proving he's not just a liar but someone willing to lie to deny his actually gay character isn't gay is...actually just a lie.

Sidenote - most non-fujos don't even think Kuro and Fai are sexually or romantically connected to each other. Even when Fai and Kuro later cameo in a different manga, they're still not romantically together. It's fueled 100% on subtexted acknowledged by literally no one in any manga they appear in.

Final note: Angry fujo like to morph his story from "Fai isn't gay" into "Fai is straight". You can see from the original telling for yourself. There's a difference between saying 'not gay' and 'definitely straight'.

"How can you say Fai isn't gay? I've read the manga!"

"Why are you even asking me-- I have nothing to do with the manga. Heck, I hardly have anything to do with the anime beyond doing the dubbing. Why are you trying to get validation for your ship from some VA?"

Also, your mention of "fansubs made it gayer" caused me to remember something:

Well back in the day, when Lucky Star was still a thing, I recall a fandub of a scene from its OVA (one of them? I wasn't too much of a fan of the show and having to make this recall is a bit painful) making rounds, wherein one of the protagonists, Kagami, says "I wanna fuck with Konata" as she wakes up from a dream (that the viewer-- if viewing the entire OVA-- would have seen), referring to another protagonist who she was often shipped with for... gay reasons. A fansub may or may not have made rounds prior to this which rendered that line as a translation of the spoken Japanese, credibility for this translation coming from a bird tweet that may have been interpreted as a censor instead of an indication of wooziness, her twin sister happening on her by chance and-- I believe-- saying that she would go tell Konata with her (Kagami) flustered at the statement of intention, and the fact that the Japanese has the first syllable coming out of her mouth being "ko", which is immediately proceeded by the aforementioned bird tweet likely taken as a censor.

What she actually said was "koi o shitai", which translates to "I want to fall in love". But good luck trying to convince people back then that that was what she said and that a name wasn't censored.

Yeah, she's just this Mexican Asian

So she's Filipina.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

I think it must be time to debunk the KuroFai rumor. People keep clinging to it as one of his worst 'but you have to admit it happened' offenses.

It really didn't.

Context: Tsubasa is a girl's manga by the group CLAMP, who you might know for Card Captor Sakura, Chobits, or Angelic Layer and probably nothing else if you don't like girl anime. They're also known for their yaoi proportions and the fact that they like to stick gay relationships into their stories. Vic was cast as Fai in the english dub of Tsubasa because the voice director desperately needed a Fai and Vic didn't mind doing it. Fau has a special connection with another male character named Kurogane. There's lots of gay hints and teasing between them from the start of the manga. Fujos immediately decided the two were super gay and got super angry that Vic voiced Fai.

(Mild amusing tidbit: Sabat plays Kurogane, so Vic is effectively flirting with, teasing, and annoying Sabat all anime)

Claim: Some fujo asked Vic about whether Fau were gay for Kurogane. Vic claimed that he spoke to CLAMP and they said "No, Fai is not gay." Someone else spoke to CLAMP, and they said "Vic who?", an auxiliary claim is that he rewrote Fai dialog to be less gay. I see no proof of Vic having that kind of power over Tsubasa, and Fai doesn't really have gay dialog to change. I assume this is 'fansubs made it gay, dub fixed it' issues.

The simplified version you'll probably hear: VIC LIKES TO LIE AND TELL PEOPLE CLAMP TOLD HIM FAI, WHO'S SUPER GAY, WAS ACTUALLY STRAIGHT. CLAMP SAID THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS, SO HE CHANGED HIS STORY TO SAY COLLEEN ASKED. LOL.

So. Let's see if I can debunk it fully.

First: The anime itself actually plays up Fai's heterosexuality. Not the dub, the anime. There's filler episodes of Fai going on a date with his female robot Chii, for instance. This is important, because Vic is a silly man who doesn't read the manga of the anime he dubs, he likes to experience it as it gets dubbed. FMA is the only anime he watched ahead for, and he stopped at a certain episode specifically so he would be genuinely moved at the right times while dubbing. Vic's only experience with Fai is via the anime.

1b: Fujos claim that CLAMP disowned the anime because it dared to make Fai straight. There's no proof to be found of this. The only place I found this claim was immediately followed by someone dismissing that claim.

Second: Fai and Kuro never explicitly get together in the manga. They never confess. They never do anything like that. They make mutual sacrifices of body parts for each other and for a bit Fai has to feed on Kuro as a vampire. The closest they get to an expression of feelings is that Fai gets depressed and cold for a bit because he decides he "crossed a line with Kuro". However, it's entirely possible to interpret them as having a platonic relationship even if you read the manga. Fujos, of course, instantly determined they were gay from the first graphic novel because Fai teases Kuro. Claims that they decided the two were gay for each other because of 'later developments' is a lie. Even during the beginning while Kuro is obviously in love with a woman they acted like the pairing was certain.

Third: There's a scene where Fai apparently speaks nonsense French for the entirety of the scene, and so the dub was given "French Gobbledegook" for the lines. Vic was forced to go for up to 45mins per line doing retakes just saying nonsense that sounded 'French' because the voice director wasn't happy with anything he said. This is relevant because it vastly undermines the idea that Vic had any control over Fai's lines. He hated this scene, although the voice director finds it a hilarious anecdote, and had he any control over it he'd likely have rewritten it. (He won't do 'French Fai' lines because of this. It's not possible for him to do them.)

3b: He does sometimes get some flexibility over scripts. He rewrote one 'potty mouthed' character because he was able to convince the director that he could make the character work convincingly without it. Notably, most 'potty mouthed' characters in dubs are just doing that to convey that characters are being rude. It's rare for characters to really use profanity in manga. This is likely where the claim comes from here.

On to the evidence.

A confrontational fujo who thinks she has a gotcha asks Vic right at the end of his panel "What do you think about the increasingly obvious homosexual relationship with Kurogane and Fai. I've read ahead in the manga blahb lahl blah"

Vic responds rather smugly that he already spoke with CLAMP about this two years prior at Anime Expo, and was told that Fai isn't gay.

Angry Fujo snarkily responds "You weren't Fai two years ago, you don't read the manga, how would you know to ask this?"

Vic retorts "That's because i didn't ask. Colleen Clickenbeard did."

Fujo slapfights with him a bit, saying that it's 'extremely obvious they're soulmates' and Vic responds with 'yes, but are they screwing each other?', which she takes deep offense to, and he says essentially 'suck it up, buttercup. If you're gay you're having sex with other men, not just loving them'.

I can't find evidence of CLAMP denying knowledge of Vic, but it's worth noting this story is what Vic has stuck to always, so it's irrelevant. His story was never actually that he spoke to them personally. He clarified it was Colleen on his first telling. Later in Tekkoshocon rumors panel he brings it up again and doesn't change it, but people claim he's 'amended it' to say Colleen asked. This is wrong. He says Colleen said it here. You can argue that he's 'covering' for himself here, but that's stupid. He's just simplifying the story to get to the important part.

Now, to debunk the idea that Vic somehow lied and CLAMP called him out about it.

Part one (The post in question is highlighted) - The confusion over CLAMP is that Vic was wrong about who was asked. It was not CLAMP who was asked whether Fai and Kurogane were gay, but the producers of the anime. The producers who made an episode where Fai goes on a date with a woman. It's not unsurprising he'd get this confused, because by his own story when this was asked he didn't even know wtf the anime was. Furthermore, the question was not "Are Fai and Kurogane in love" but quite literally "Are Fai and Kurogane gay?" Which, as you will note even in Vic's response, is exactly what they said 'no' to. Vic is correct. He was told Fai wasn't gay, because Fai isn't gay.

Part two (again highlighted) - In response to the idea that Fai and Kurogane 'are soulmates, and therefore gay', and addressing CLAMP's feelings on the relationship itself. Touya and Yukito in CCS (who are undeniably in a gay relationship and actually confess) are said to not be gay, according to CLAMP, but instead 'soulmates'.



Conclusion: The story that Vic lied about CLAMP telling him that Fai wasn't gay only for CLAMP to slap him down later, proving he's not just a liar but someone willing to lie to deny his actually gay character isn't gay is...actually just a lie.

Sidenote - most non-fujos don't even think Kuro and Fai are sexually or romantically connected to each other. Even when Fai and Kuro later cameo in a different manga, they're still not romantically together. It's fueled 100% on subtexted acknowledged by literally no one in any manga they appear in.

Final note: Angry fujo like to morph his story from "Fai isn't gay" into "Fai is straight". You can see from the original telling for yourself. There's a difference between saying 'not gay' and 'definitely straight'.

...the fact that this is a real allegation with any weight at all in any community only gets more more embarrassing the more I read it. I salute you for taking the time to break this shit down.

 

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She wishes she never inserted herself into this now? she fucking straight out of the gate calling Vic a pedo FFS!
"poor me, people are mad at me bacause I'm a piece of shit boohoo"
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She mentioned weaboostories in her tweets. This was a tumblr and it was suspended in September of 2011, apparently for "copyright violation and harassment". You can find a lot of people salty about it on tumblr.

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“Back in early July when things were getting bad I wrote up a little timeline mainly for myself that I never finished, but basically if you wanna know THE EARLY YEARS”

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weaboostories: This man, THIS MAN, who I’ve NEVER met before ruined my friend’s and I friendship. I’ve read many stories about Vic on this blog, and I’ve gotten the impression that he’s a rude man in...

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There is a TV Tropes topic about it,
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It looks like a PasteBin was started up after the blog was shut down,

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These people would die if they couldn't spread baseless shit about Vic it seems.

 

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...the fact that this is a real allegation with any weight at all in any community only gets more more embarrassing the more I read it. I salute you for taking the time to break this shit down.

Anyone who even cares about this is so completely mentally ill they should be ignored on every subject they talk about, not just this.

 

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I'm pretty sure Code Geass is the one CLAMP designed anime filled with straight shippers. For crying out loud, they removed the death of one of the female love interests of Lelouch when they made the anime reconciliations.


Nope. Never heard of them doing anything with Gundam.

You're probably right. The style of the character designs is so similar, though, that I thought it may have been them.